I think Austrians may seem cold and rigid to outsiders, but if you keep to their formal routines they're far more likely to accept you as friend. If you don't understand the "Bitte-danke" culture then it's possibly not for you.
I had a very bad experience in a cafe in Vienna the waitress was very rude and I ended getting into a shouting match with her left a bad taste in my mouth that was in 2009
And what did you do? Ordering something which was not on the menu? Complaining about the coffee? Or even treated her like a servant? What was it? Waitresses usually don´t become rude for no reason.
@@michaelgrabner8977 It was very strange I think it was the type of tea I wanted and she was rude , Im from Ireland and we like breakfast tea , she made some comment about riverdance to her colleagues lol, but we also met some nice people , Im not calling all people from Vienna rude just this experience stands out for its blatant rudeness as I did nothing wrong . I lived in Hamburg Germany for 2 years and I never had any issues with people in general .
@@opencurtin Well to be fair tea culture is not really existant in Austria, no variety at all especially in random cafes = usually in their menu is 1 sort of black tea, 1 sort of green tea, and maybe 2-3 sorts of herb or fruit tea(peppermint, camomile, fennel or what ever fruit tea)..but there are few places specializing in tea but those a so to say niche places in Vienna ...A breakfast tea or in general "variety" is something we get in the supermarket for at home I was amazed of the viarity of tea I could order when I visted the British Isles no matter if Great Britain or the Isle of Ireland. Maybe there was just a miscommunication of both sides which got then heated up due to misinterpretation. Because I can understand when you encounter randomly some rudeness in the streets but it is usually not a thing in a restaurant or cafe from their staff.
@@aasphaltmueller5178 Are they really? In my almost 60 years I never experienced that. And I am very often in Cafes/Viennese Coffee Houses and not just in one but there then "often" but in many. And how often are you visiting Viennese Coffee Houses? That is a just myth often shown in TV series "der grantige Hans Moser Typ" (if you even know who the actor Hans Moser was) and not "actual real life"
Not long since i visited, i enjoyed the city and it is beautiful apart from the hidious grafiti along the canal and on some of the buildings, can't say i found the people unfriendly but i wasn't there for long.
The most unfriendly* city. The *unfriendliest city. The least friendly city. The *prettiest city. And yay! 🎉 The most unfriendly people. [Let's treat English with respect.]
Well to be fair...the far right FPÖ has not really a grasp in Vienna their stronghold is rural Austria and also the right leaning ÖVP has no grasp in Vienna as well but is strong in rural Austria. So refering to FPÖ that´s not a valid point to make when talking about Vienna in particular, simply because Vienna is clearly on the other side/opposite side of the political spectrum. Expats simply do not understand "the culture". For instance :The work enviroment is not the place to find friends neither for expats nor for locals, at best you can get there a status of acquaintance but no "friendship" (friendship = meaning becoming part of private life). That´s the main reason why "expats struggle" to find local friends because they are looking for friends in their work enviroment instead looking for friends in enviroments of private activities where the people are then way more relaxed.. Although it´s true that locals are tending to stay in "their bubble"/"in their own friend circle" and are a bit reserved to all others who are not part of that circle, but that includes everybody who are not part of those friendship circles and is not valid specific just for expats but valid for locals alike. And to break that kind of reservedness is tough for everybody and not only for expats and takes lots of time and effort in order to build that amount of trust which is needed to become "a friend" and not just a "random acquaintance". And about "rudeness" that notion is also foremost because of not understanding the culture especially when talking about expats coming from the anglophile world. Those are actually struggeling with the "directness/bluntness" how communication is handled, not only in Vienna but in the whole German speaking area = Austria, Switzerland, Germany, because anglophile countries have a totally different communication culture, and therefore just perceive such bluntness + directness as "rude" although there was no "actual rudeness" involved or intended but just "directness + bluntness" and simply no beating around the bush.. Those expats who get to understand that after a while (some do, many don´t) even for the most part are appreciating that sort of communication starting to perceive it as sort of "honesty in interaction" when they are get used to that. You mentioned swearing, well that´s also sort part of the culture especially rooted in the Viennese dialect because it is full of swearing.. Honestly as local nobody takes that serious or personal as long as it doesn´t become physical which is for the most part not a thing at all, it is even often perceived as funny when someone is loosing his shit .
Ein sehr treffender Kommentar. Als kleine Ergänzung: Das Leben vieler "echten" Wienern definiert sich über Drogen (95% Alkohol). Ich persönlich traue keinem, den ich nicht schon betrunken erlebt habe. Im Wein, usw
@@thomaserbsenzahler712 Nun da werden wir 2 wohl nie Freunde werden können, weil ich trinke so gut wie keinen Alkohol bzw so wenig, dass ich nie betrunken bin. ;-D Aber ich verstehe Deinen "In vino veritas" Zugang.
Great explanation. And I’d add that what you described is true not just for the German speaking countries but the broader central European region, ie Czechs would be extremely similar to Austrians in this regard (and Slovenians or Hungarians as well). It often amazes me how people cannot notice that there are certain cultural norms and that different cultures express the same emotions in different ways, but once you understand these norms, people are actually very similar everywhere.
@@karelkieslich6772 Well said. By the way did you know that Vienna once was the city with the most Czechs as citizens by the numbers. A considered "true Viennese" has at least one Czech ancester in his family tree.
I think Austrians may seem cold and rigid to outsiders, but if you keep to their formal routines they're far more likely to accept you as friend. If you don't understand the "Bitte-danke" culture then it's possibly not for you.
I had a very bad experience in a cafe in Vienna the waitress was very rude and I ended getting into a shouting match with her left a bad taste in my mouth that was in 2009
And what did you do? Ordering something which was not on the menu? Complaining about the coffee? Or even treated her like a servant? What was it?
Waitresses usually don´t become rude for no reason.
@@michaelgrabner8977 It was very strange I think it was the type of tea I wanted and she was rude , Im from Ireland and we like breakfast tea , she made some comment about riverdance to her colleagues lol, but we also met some nice people , Im not calling all people from Vienna rude just this experience stands out for its blatant rudeness as I did nothing wrong . I lived in Hamburg Germany for 2 years and I never had any issues with people in general .
@@opencurtin Well to be fair tea culture is not really existant in Austria, no variety at all especially in random cafes = usually in their menu is 1 sort of black tea, 1 sort of green tea, and maybe 2-3 sorts of herb or fruit tea(peppermint, camomile, fennel or what ever fruit tea)..but there are few places specializing in tea but those a so to say niche places in Vienna ...A breakfast tea or in general "variety" is something we get in the supermarket for at home
I was amazed of the viarity of tea I could order when I visted the British Isles no matter if Great Britain or the Isle of Ireland.
Maybe there was just a miscommunication of both sides which got then heated up due to misinterpretation. Because I can understand when you encounter randomly some rudeness in the streets but it is usually not a thing in a restaurant or cafe from their staff.
@@michaelgrabner8977 actually Café staff is famous for it's rudeness
@@aasphaltmueller5178 Are they really?
In my almost 60 years I never experienced that. And I am very often in Cafes/Viennese Coffee Houses and not just in one but there then "often" but in many.
And how often are you visiting Viennese Coffee Houses?
That is a just myth often shown in TV series "der grantige Hans Moser Typ" (if you even know who the actor Hans Moser was) and not "actual real life"
Agree, Vienna is the most unfriendly city in the world I have ever lived. People are strange.
Not long since i visited, i enjoyed the city and it is beautiful apart from the hidious grafiti along the canal and on some of the buildings, can't say i found the people unfriendly but i wasn't there for long.
WHATTT IS UP WITH THAT AMAZINGGG ASSSS CAMERA QUALITY. What camera do you use bro?
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Why are the people like this? 😢
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Immer "bei uns ist daß so"
The most unfriendly* city. The *unfriendliest city. The least friendly city. The *prettiest city. And yay! 🎉 The most unfriendly people.
[Let's treat English with respect.]
Shit dude, my dream is to visit Vienna. If you think Vienna is unfriendly, come and visit the Baltimore, Maryland, US.
Baltimore, Maryland. I live in New York and thought the people of Maryland were extremely friendly.
Better say "unsafe" instead of "unfriendly".
@@papagiorgio23 Oh, I will find you people who are unfriendly and unsafe within 5 minutes after landing in Baltimore International Airport.
Well to be fair...the far right FPÖ has not really a grasp in Vienna their stronghold is rural Austria and also the right leaning ÖVP has no grasp in Vienna as well but is strong in rural Austria. So refering to FPÖ that´s not a valid point to make when talking about Vienna in particular, simply because Vienna is clearly on the other side/opposite side of the political spectrum.
Expats simply do not understand "the culture".
For instance :The work enviroment is not the place to find friends neither for expats nor for locals, at best you can get there a status of acquaintance but no "friendship" (friendship = meaning becoming part of private life). That´s the main reason why "expats struggle" to find local friends because they are looking for friends in their work enviroment instead looking for friends in enviroments of private activities where the people are then way more relaxed..
Although it´s true that locals are tending to stay in "their bubble"/"in their own friend circle" and are a bit reserved to all others who are not part of that circle, but that includes everybody who are not part of those friendship circles and is not valid specific just for expats but valid for locals alike. And to break that kind of reservedness is tough for everybody and not only for expats and takes lots of time and effort in order to build that amount of trust which is needed to become "a friend" and not just a "random acquaintance".
And about "rudeness" that notion is also foremost because of not understanding the culture especially when talking about expats coming from the anglophile world. Those are actually struggeling with the "directness/bluntness" how communication is handled, not only in Vienna but in the whole German speaking area = Austria, Switzerland, Germany, because anglophile countries have a totally different communication culture, and therefore just perceive such bluntness + directness as "rude" although there was no "actual rudeness" involved or intended but just "directness + bluntness" and simply no beating around the bush..
Those expats who get to understand that after a while (some do, many don´t) even for the most part are appreciating that sort of communication starting to perceive it as sort of "honesty in interaction" when they are get used to that.
You mentioned swearing, well that´s also sort part of the culture especially rooted in the Viennese dialect because it is full of swearing..
Honestly as local nobody takes that serious or personal as long as it doesn´t become physical which is for the most part not a thing at all, it is even often perceived as funny when someone is loosing his shit .
Ein sehr treffender Kommentar. Als kleine Ergänzung: Das Leben vieler "echten" Wienern definiert sich über Drogen (95% Alkohol). Ich persönlich traue keinem, den ich nicht schon betrunken erlebt habe. Im Wein, usw
@@thomaserbsenzahler712 Nun da werden wir 2 wohl nie Freunde werden können, weil ich trinke so gut wie keinen Alkohol bzw so wenig, dass ich nie betrunken bin. ;-D Aber ich verstehe Deinen "In vino veritas" Zugang.
Great explanation. And I’d add that what you described is true not just for the German speaking countries but the broader central European region, ie Czechs would be extremely similar to Austrians in this regard (and Slovenians or Hungarians as well). It often amazes me how people cannot notice that there are certain cultural norms and that different cultures express the same emotions in different ways, but once you understand these norms, people are actually very similar everywhere.
@@karelkieslich6772 Well said.
By the way did you know that Vienna once was the city with the most Czechs as citizens by the numbers. A considered "true Viennese" has at least one Czech ancester in his family tree.
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