I'm super excited about these. Ironically he didn't even mention that the smallest one is fully rated, which no other cam on the market at that size is! You're going to sell soooo many greens and reds!
They found that they lowered the overall MBS by kinking the steel cable in the thumb loop. IF you look at the strength rating on these compared to the equivalent size range in BD, the BD ones are all a bit stronger. These are all super good enough, but BD emphasizes strength and durability, and other brands carve out their niche in other ways. In general, unless you have a lot of hours placing cams, you will likely never notice the functional differences in how they grip or catch falls. Some people prefer thumb loops or need them for aid climbing, others do not. It is mostly about personal preference and utility....except totems. Totems are universally praised as being objectively better over the range of sizes they cover except for maybe the largest size.
The thumb loop is mainly for the close clip in point for aiding which people typically use smaller cams for. The dragons don't have them because it's extra bulk and some people (me included) prefer placing cams without a thumb loop
pretty much, it seems like DMM's response to the alien/x4 lines. To be honest, considering that DMM just makes burley shit, this seems like a great thing and I dont know why people dont just say "this is our take on the small cams" and highlight what they do well.
You can tell he takes pride in his work. Will probably pick up a couple of these when they come out.
I'm super excited about these. Ironically he didn't even mention that the smallest one is fully rated, which no other cam on the market at that size is! You're going to sell soooo many greens and reds!
I want to see a comparison between these and the Alien Revolutions!
Didn't black diamond have a problem with extendable slings on thumb loops?
They found that they lowered the overall MBS by kinking the steel cable in the thumb loop. IF you look at the strength rating on these compared to the equivalent size range in BD, the BD ones are all a bit stronger. These are all super good enough, but BD emphasizes strength and durability, and other brands carve out their niche in other ways. In general, unless you have a lot of hours placing cams, you will likely never notice the functional differences in how they grip or catch falls. Some people prefer thumb loops or need them for aid climbing, others do not. It is mostly about personal preference and utility....except totems. Totems are universally praised as being objectively better over the range of sizes they cover except for maybe the largest size.
what do think? rail gun cams already existing?
Why haven't Dmm put thumb loops on the dragon 2's .. :( .. these dragon fly's should com in bigger sizes too , should replace the dragon 2
The thumb loop is mainly for the close clip in point for aiding which people typically use smaller cams for. The dragons don't have them because it's extra bulk and some people (me included) prefer placing cams without a thumb loop
Ben Schuster , sure I understand the reason for aid climbing , I just think the thumb loop is a much nicer addition,...
@@aevans692 fair m8 we all like different things
Proud to be Welsh!!!
love these i love tiny cracks
Finally!!
were Aliens bought out by DMM???.... oh wait, big weight difference, nope :) haha
Alien?
pretty much, it seems like DMM's response to the alien/x4 lines. To be honest, considering that DMM just makes burley shit, this seems like a great thing and I dont know why people dont just say "this is our take on the small cams" and highlight what they do well.