I feel like every week for months now I've caught myself thinking about how Garnt might be the most unrelatable, yet not completely insane, person ever.
for sure. i agree with a lot of his takes, and even the ones i disagree with (the bread one lol) i can see how he would think that way and he just needs to try and not be stubborn about it to change his mind
I love how Connor goes from praising how the World Building is great with most characters, including secondary ones in GoT, but then immediately gets disgusted by the same idea in an RPG series.
That's what's so weird about him! It's not like he doesn't like plot and story telling, it's just that he HATES it in games. His ability to take in a story disappears once a controller enters his hands, it's uncanny.
@@sleeplessknight173 This is a weird analogy I'll admit, but it's sorta like how if you want to eat tacos but I brought you to a steak place instead. Steaks are great, but you were in a Taco headspace. You were in the mood for tacos, not steaks. I have a few friends like Connor, and when they wanna watch a movie they want a movie, and when they wanna play games they just wanna play. Both are enjoyable things, but if they're in a gaming headspace they just wanna play and nothing else. I could also be talking out of my ass with these thoughts though so def take it with a grain of salt lol, but that's how I feel it's like at least!
A take I completely agree with Connor, having a generation of Pokemon where the types are NOT grass, water, and fire would definitely be interesting and almost a breath of fresh air
I wouldn't mind, but I can understand why they never changed it. Since the games are primarily aimed at a younger demographic, the red-green-blue triangle very quickly explains the concept of type weaknesses in a intuitive way. A kid won't have to ask why water is strong against fire. But if you have uhh psychic-dark-ghosts starters or whatever, the concept becomes more abstract from get-go instead of later on in the game.
@@Royal__Kitsune I mean, as they said. Metroid is still quality, so is Zelda and Mario. It’s just Pokémon that wouldn’t be given the time of day if it didn’t have that legacy behind it
@@Royal__Kitsune i have to disagree. Mario games are still consistently well crafted both in the gameplay and graphical sense. And even if i haven't been a fan of the Breath of the Wild era of Zelda (open world fatigue is real) i could not even pretend to make the argument that the game is "shit" in the same way as the recent pokemon games, everything the game tries to do it does well and functions without any troubles. The Kirby games have been great, Animal Crossing still goes hard, Metroid Dread is easily one of my favorites in the franchise, etc etc etc. Nintendo does milk nostalgia but with most of the franchises they at least have the decency to make sure that the product is still good, Pokemon is exceptionally poorly made compared to the other games they put out.
Garnt explaining himself here reminds me of his "Life-Cycle of an Anime fan" video. You start out enjoying trashy shit, then you go thruogh your artisan phase of wanting to experience "complex writing" or "highly acclaimed" media, and then you get burnt out and finally reignite your passion by accepting you enjoy trashy shit.
Never thought I would hear about Trails in a Trash Taste episode. I think Garnt and Joey would really like the games. You don't need to rush through them, just play them at your own pace. Also, the games are filled with banger tracks.
Yeah trails is lit, I played most of them from June to November. I’ve taken a little break to play other stuff but I’m really excited to get back into it.
@@Guy811 I've been playing them since 2018 and took breaks between them to play something else too. I like to do that to avoid any burn out. Hope you keep enjoying the franchise. You are in for a great time!
You know trails is good when basic NPCs make continuous cameos across games that takes place in DIFFERENT countries and YEARS (Yes Ricky and Anton I'm looking at you.)
Legit, the Series is so good that it makes me sad when other modern Jrpgs (outside of Dragon Quest) doesn’t have the depth of characterization with NPCs as Trails.
I've noticed recently that Connor's open laugh hapoens more and more. Even half a year ago it was quieter but now it's just all out, 40yo dad in a pub after his football team won and he's had a few beers. I love it
Throwing my hat in to support Garnt and Joey starting the Trails series. I always heard of Trails in the Sky and Trails of Cold Steel as cult classic RPGs in the past, but I properly gave the series a shot a few years ago and, and it's a wonderful journey. This is the perfect time to jump in as well with them finally pushing out English localizations of the 4th and 5th games (though Joey has the luxury of going through the games in Japanese, which are way further ahead). It scratches a particular niche for RPG lovers. Definitely not for everybody (Connor definitely won't like them), but the series deserves all the praise it gets.
I would never thought I'd see the day Garnt mentioned Trails but I really really wish he's get into it cuz it just seems like something he would love, this is coming from someone who has Trails as his favorite series ever, seeing Garnt just thinking about starting it even if he prob won't just made me happy and excited for no reason lol
The thing with Game of Thrones is that the showrunners didn't even run out of books, they just ignored the direction that books 4 and 5 were going in and shoved a few plot points into season 5 while ignoring entire other plot threads (The entire Dorne plotline in the books for example was just thrown out the window, and Young Griff straight up doesn't exist in the show).
Tbh I anderstand some of the trimming down they did in the show(not all but some) in the end it's a tv series they can't put it all in. Cutting some new plot points that might drag down the heavy plot will be unwise move .and tbh that's one of my problem whit gourge. He probably didn't finish WOW because there was so many plots and charcter to tie down whit our making it collapse on its self it's almost impossible and probably stressful af..makes me Wonder what will happen if G didn't felt like adding so many new elements ..(still doesn't forgive what the writers did to our cathulu pirate)
Knowing Garnt's tastes in games. I really think he would enjoy the "Trails" series of games. For those who would like to play these games, the structure of games is simpler than what Garnt said. It's really chronological, divided into successives games about (successives) stories arc. For example, the first 3 games are about Liberl arc and the names are trails in the sky 1,2,3. So the only rule to follow is to pick any of the first game of an arc. You could start with Trails in the sky 1 or you could start with trails of cold steel 1 based on Erebonia empire arc. If you pick the latter, you will be spoiled about Sky arc at some point. The earlier you pick, the more you will taste world building and enjoy the story but you really can start with any of the 1st game of a story arc. Its really depend how much time you want to spend (Starting from the first game its hundreds of hours)
lol, I heard Garnt saying "There's a very very niche JRPG series I've been thinking of getting into" and my mind immediately went to Trails, which I was playing whilst listening... and I was freackin right.
As another Trails fan voicing in for the franchize, I absolutely agree that it's an amazing JRPG and that the pay-off is definitely here. Garnt explained the premise quite well and it's definitely true that it has some of, if not, the best world-building I've come to know in any JRPG series ever. Literally almost every NPC has a name, its own story, 2 new dialogue options after every major plot point event, is capable of sorting out their own problems and some even reappear across multiple game arcs. You can still meet old NPCs you were used to seeing in the older games in the newer ones on the same spot too! That being said yeah, as you could probably imagine, the games are very text-heavy, apart from doing fights, some main quests, etc, it consist of a lot of running around cities and actually talking to NPCs (I mean you can skip it and not do it, but I feel like it's such a huge part of the game that if you were to do that, the game is simply not for you). On top of that, with a lot of games to the series and with how the games are designed, I personally find myself having over 100 hours on every single one of these games (some of them even over 200). Now granted I do tend to play my games rather slowly and I'm more of a completionist, it's still definitely a considerable time-investment that you need to account for when you get into it. Pair that up with how the game is and that it has a turn-based combat system (which I absolutely love, but I fully understand its not for everyone), I do get why it may be a hard series to get into. At the end of the day though, I still believe those absolutely epic moments where various characters get mentions from others you have only heard of up until that moment, when they actually meet and unite across different arcs, interact together, and fight together are absolutely amazing and you will grin from ear to ear after experiencing that awesome adventure.
THIS! So much this! Joey and Garnt would definetly love the series, but Connor would loathe it. Every single game in the series has about as much text as a Visual Novel, after all.
Trails series is amazing but you need to really like story and character development. The amount of dialogue in the game is soo detailed, random side characters on the street will go through full arcs if you talk to them regularly. So good, but obviously not for everyone!
My favorite arc is trails azure fishing guild, they went through a hell of struggle. I JUST STARTED COLD STEEL THEY HAD THE AUDACITY TO TELL YOU THAT KENNETH IS LAKELORD FUCKING BRO? This game is full of twist
@@jamiekb9v absolutely, i played this game after finishing yakuza 6 and the feels i had for keA is the same feeling kiryu had for haruka, and it pains me a lot seeing "that twist"
You're a true trails fan if you're playing 8pm in the final chapter and finishes at 4am in the morning. Man, you know you can't put it down once those climax of chapters hit the fan. That's the hype that I get in trails games that I can't get in other JRPGs.
Hearing the boys discussion around GoT reminds me of the dumpster fire in the Attack on Titan community when the manga ended. Really excited to hear the discussion here once it ends
Fun fact, allergy is a condition that only really exists in developed countries where it was a lot less common before 1900. A theory as to why people develop allergies is called the hygiene hypothesis. Where it proposes humans today are too clean and our immune system has nothing to do. Child in big families are less likely to be allergic since they are often exposed to germs and infections, which helps the immune system develops. Another interesting case is how West Berlin had better healthcare and less pollution than East Berlin, but more people have allergies.
For Trails, play in Japanese release order and you should be fine 👍 Perfect time right now as one of the older arcs--consisting of two games--is finally being localized next spring with the epilogue game for the 3 established arcs from the very first Sky game to now also being localized next summer.
I completely randomly got sucked into the Trails series about a month ago. I was just looking to buy a new game on Steam under the JRPG tag, and within hours I had somehow purchased all of Sky and Cold Steel in one go. I am waiting for Azure to drop to see if there will be a good sale on Zero. I say waiting but I have so much on my plate already as is.
I feel kinda split on this, my favorite games of all time are the Max Payne games, and they have tons of story, and yet I don’t really like the direction that modern games are going for where story is completely prioritized over gameplay
I enjoy story in video games but I also enjoy games that mainly involve the players skill with little to no story like the project diva games.( mainly because it's a fun rhythm game series). I love the story and gameplay for the death end request games. I'm hoping if they get a third game made it'll combine the best parts of both. Utawarerumono is a game series that's a slow burn story interspersed with bits of turn based strategy battles with fun combo gameplay. The emotional payoff of both mask of deception and mask of truth are great! I'm currently playing prelude to the fallen( the actual first game in the series that the U.S. got late') I imagine I'll feel the same even after having fully watched it's super condensed anime counterpart years ago.
Here for the Trails mention. I think it's right up Garnt and Joey's alley, and to anyone interested, Garnt made it sound more complicated than it really is, just start with the first game and follow release order if you want a great turn based JRPG series to try and are an enjoyer of rich story, dialogue, and worldbuilding. (And I suggest talking to lots of npcs and doing plenty of side quests or you miss half the fun)
@@blurb9319 The thing about following release order is that F/Z being before the UBW and HF adaptations means that a lot of rather important parts of those get spoiled. Like, if you don't want the experience spoiled, you NEED someone to tell you what to avoid, while Trails is literally a linear experience.
@@MyVanir If you want to get technical about it, FSN was the first thing in the series that was released, then the FSN Dean adaptation, then the UBW movies, then Zero.
1:34:44 Let's gooo Greek food. Conor just hasn't eaten in good Greek restaurants. Just come to Greece and try it here :D Also Garnt broke my heart when he said he doesn't like Feta :(
It wasn't that bad. I took my time to watch "The good place" reccomended by garnt and actually enjoyed it, might check out more shows that they mentioned. Edit. But maybe I just have trash taste xd
I was fist pumping so hard from Garnt just mentioning Trails. To the maybe 2 or 3 people that read this, don't let the mention of the 20 minute video intimidate you (there was a bit of trouble in the past where 2 earlier games didn't have English localization, BUT this problem has been fixed.). The series is long, but it tells a linear story across all its games (Japanese release order matches the order of events. It's not hard to follow). For those who don't want to Google anything, the order is Sky games, Crossbell (Zero/Azure), and Cold Steel (and most of them have the decency to be subtitled 1, 2, 3). Every single one of the games are on Steam (and a majority are on nearly every console). You can play the first game Trails in the Sky FC on a 20 year old laptop. Also, it's dirt cheap. It goes on sale all the time for as little as 10 bucks. Yes, there's an intended (and ideal) order to the games, but it's really not that complicated. Also, if you're not into JRPGs PLEASE at least listen to the soundtrack. It is one of the best soundtracks out there. Every game in the series has dozens of absolute bangers.
I haven't even played the trails games yet but I love the theme from the first dungeon in trails of cold steel 1. So pretty. I'm thinking of starting with trails from azure since it's on switch. I'm still annoyed cold steel's first few games aren't on switch in the U.S yet. I'll probably play my fiance's copies on the ps4 then.
@@yunogasai1338 Did you mean Zero? Azure isn't out until March and it's a direct sequel to Zero. If you do play it I hope you enjoy it. Crossbell has got some awesome tunes. And yeah... it's a shame too. I really hope all the games get ported to switch but it's unlikely. The Sky games and the first 2 Cold Steel games were under different localizers. They did a SPECTACULAR job, but the games didn't really catch on until latter half of Cold Steel, so it changed hands. Xseed did awesome work, but they were way too small a team to keep translating a game as text heavy as trails.
I just played fc, sc, 3rd(and stopped bcs it's just rescuing, shame because i love kevin very much), zero, azure(psp translation, i'll buy the pc one if it's out), and now in the middle of cold steel. And i got 5 more games i have yet to play oh boy
The Iseaki analogy was such a good comp for the Pokemon games. But Joey couldn't accept that, he recognized that this was a bad take episode so he had to start running interference immediately.
I’m impressed to see the fanboy copium defense of scarlet and violet. The story was mid at best, visuals/performance unforgivable, and the world was atrocious. It made me realize that arceus was pretty decent for a Pokémon switch game
as a certified greek i can say that a lot of greek restaurants in australia are really good because most of them are run by greek people and greek hospitality is something we are very proud of and also on the other hand alot of greeks can be mean or dismissive towards people and that could be the reason joey and connor have had such diffrent experiences,still tho im happy to see greece talked about on this podcast
Also it would be nice when people realise that Greek food is not just lamb, feta cheese and tzatziki. We don’t even eat lamb that often. I’m not sure what those international Greek restaurants are doing.
Same with Greek restaurants in Germany , mostly run by Greeks , just like the Italian restaurants are run by Italians. If the person grew up with and loves the cuisine , they can be a good restauranteur for that cuisine.
I didn’t know Connor was friends with so many game journalist. That’s what I can assume since he said he keeps hearing people tell him how complicated Ragnarok’s storyline is. Prayers to them eventually finishing the game.
I have been waiting for SO long for you guys to talk about Trails.. Its my favorite video game series of all time, and I really hope Garnt gets into it!
Can confirm the cat allergy thing is true. Me and my mom are both allergic to cats, but we've had cats our entire lives. I only really get an allergic reaction now when my cat starts shedding a lot (transition to winter / summer) but other than that we can both live with cats just fine. As soon as I go to a friend / family member who owns a cat however, my allergic reactions start again.
The directors of “Game of Thrones” were rushing for a Star Wars series with Disney. That’s why they rushed GOT and finished it 2 seasons early. The problem was that they botched it so badly that Disney didn’t want them make a Star Wars show for them anymore. The directors of the show claimed that they left Disney on their own terms. Insisting that they weren’t kicked out. However Disney very much did drop them.
the trails series doesn’t have a complicated order to get into. You start chronologically but the first game is from 2004 and that’s how the high barrier of entry comes from. There are 12 games, but the problem plaguing the series for western players is the localisation taking ages. As of right now all Games 5, 11 and 12 aren’t available in an official english translation. Although Game 5 does get one early next year… anyways it’s worth getting into, imo the best story and most memorable characters i’ve experienced in any jrpg.
Speaking of being allergic to chicken, my grandmother took allergy tests like 3 years ago and found out she was allergic to chicken, freaking LETTUCE and TOMatos and White rice. What we found funny is that that's basically what puertoricans live off off😂😂😭
As a trails addict *Cough* FAN, Garnt mentioning "trails" makes me want to replay the entire series just so I can judge if Garnt and Joeys takes are shit or not. (assuming they actually take the plunge and start).
The thing that made me love Trails series first time playing it is how the NPCs are alive. Like damn, half of the fun of the game is actually interacting with them every time you got the chance to do so. Don't be surprised if you actually recognized and remembered those faceless NPCs by the end game lol
Took me 3 tries to get into trails, I find the first game pretty slow at start but after I was able to finish it and Immediately go play the sequel I know I am addicted with the game and the world. Around zero no kiseki(Crossbell arc), I noticed I am actually talking to every npc everytime they have new dialogues. Yes including the chests
Same thing happened to me. I've timed it between me and a bunch of other friends who have played it, it takes you 1 hour to get into the first battle. I fell off hard twice before even reaching that first battle, which is a shame because on my third attempt I got hooked the second I got into battle and heard that smooth ass battle theme.
The chest dialogue is one of my favorite things in the Sky and Crossbell games! Half the time I'm more excited for the chest's dialogue than its item. I'm really going to miss it when I get to the Cold Steel arc.
Oh my goodness, when Garnt was saying he was considering a new game series, I was just saying Trails over and over in my mind and when he said Trails, I was so happy
As Trails fan, I want to say that Garnt makes it sound hard to approach, but in reality you have 3 entry points, which make it as painless as possible, they are , Trails in the Sky (first arc in series, so you won't miss any callbacks) Trails to Zero/Azure (Second arc)and Trails of Cold Steel. Right now, if you want to try I recommend first or third arc, because third have modern gameplay but first have best characters.
Im incredibly sleep deprived, just summarise this for me: What is the best way for I, a person who has literally no knowledge regarding this series, to get into the series, from a single point
Trails is absolutely worth falling into the rabbit hole for. It’s by far the best video game worldbuilding I’ve ever seen. Despite how many games there are and how it’s a 20 year old series, the longest game is about 60 hours which is cold steel IV, but all the others are around 40 hrs or less. Also it’s best to play if you have a pc since all the of them are available on steam and I highly recommend going in release order with the Sky arc first. I finished Sky and Cold Steel in two years while also doing college, work, and theater which includes six months when my laptop broke while I was playing Sky First Chapter and I had to start over when I finally got a new one. It’s really not as long as it looks, but the series does have a very dedicated fan base who care very deeply about the story and the world so, like my comment now, we tend to rant about it.
This year, I just started trying to get through the Legend of Heroes games. I played the first two Cold Steel games, then realized I may need to go back to the Crossbell games (and listen to the Drama CDs via youtube). I am glad they are porting the Crossbell games to modern consoles, but I also want them to localize the high-definition port of the Sky trilogy and port them to modern consoles.
Definitely give the trails series a go! Even if you just play the Sky series it's worth it for sure! Playing the crossbell arc I was riveted and excited by a political conference 😅
Love the Trails series mentioned, I started with Cold Steel saga, and I'm continuing to work backwards to older games with enjoyment. Hope you guys will try the games in the future.
Yes! I mentioned Trails during one of Garnt’s streams a couple of months ago. So glad that he’s starting to look into it! Starting with FC is the way to go. Western releases are still catching up so feel free to take your time. Each game is easily more than 60 hours.
It’s not too hard to start, considering Garnt don’t really care about the graphics. So yeah starting right now with Sky FC and play casually sounds just right to me. If you’re going with 1 game per month(Sky fc, Sky sc, Sky 3rd, zero) and you get to March, which is when the next game comes out.
The Trails series is my favorite JRPG series and it deserves more love then it gets. its a complete blast and I love all the characters and especially the world, I Highly recommend it to anyone who likes JRPGS
trails series is worth it, seriously, there's a lot of detail in the writing even after it goes as far as the cold steel arc. the romance aspect of the cold steel goes a bit too far that it becomes a parody but it's still really good
The boys talking about Trails has made me so unreasonably happy. I really hope they go through it and be able to experience the emotions that hit me when I played that behemoth of a series.
I was not expecting you guys to talk about the trails series lol. I LOVE it. Your literally playing an anime with characters that matter. A lot of dialogue tho Connor will probably hate it lol
If you do play trails, start with trails in the sky, the story sort of compounds each game and it's honestly super fun, I highly recommend, just play it on release order (Japanese not western) and it'll be a good time
I flipped the fuck out when Garnt casually brought up the Trails series. I feel like it's still so niche in the west I hardly ever hear people talk about it randomly. It's also really not that hard to get into in 2022/2023 as long as you have a PC/Laptop. Start with the Trails in the Sky games and just follow the chronological order from there (Sky, Zero/Azure games, then the four Cold Steel games). They're fairly long JRPGs sure, but there's no need to rush through. Play at your own pace and you'll eventually just catch up to the newest release. Especially since they take so long to localize. Also yes, they are as good as people say. The fanbase is so hardcore for a reason lol Edit: Just a bit of context, I started with Cold Steel 1+2 and went back to the Sky games from there, which was honestly fine as well. I just wouldn't start in the middle of an arc or with the latest release. You'll definitely miss out on a lot if you do.
One thing that'd be great is if you guys would throw a big label on the screen of whatever game/show/anime you're currently talking about -- sometimes you only mention the title ONCE and very quickly, making it hard to know what exactly you're talking about at any given time! Cooptional Podcast used to do this to great effect.
I can never agree with starting Trails are CS because the biggest twist from the end of the first game is just brought up casually in conversation in CS1 and there is just no gravity to it if you don't know what they're talking about. And then there is how closely the end of CS1 ties into the end of Ao/Azure. But more importantly then any of that so many people are in such a rush to get to Cold Steel 1 when I just don't think its worth it as a game, they introduce so many new characters at once they aren't able to spend enough time fleshing each one out, and then there is how repetitive and formulaic it is too that I can easily see people get turned off by it. I had a friend that started at CS1 and fell off because of how formulaic it was, and said friend had no problem getting into Sky FC.
@@makii4772 The first game its a very slow burn and is a ton of set up until what feels like 60-70% in, that's something you gotta be ready to put up with. It's still fun the whole way through but its but its more slow paced and relaxed with no major stake until later. With all the set up being all payoff in the next game. There are also fan patches that add voice acting from the vita version if you want those.
@@makii4772 i mean this is the game where every npc in crosbell (the main city of 4th game) has their own stories that they will tell you every chapter. Seriously awesome
In regards to the surfing conversation, these guys gotta get a load of riptides bro. Surfing becomes a lot less energy draining when you realize that the rip is basically a weird slightly dangerous conveyorbelt
Man, hearing them talk about the Trails series as someone who grew up playing the original Gagharv trilogy makes me want to gatekeep everyone lmao. It's such a bittersweet feeling. I love those games.
Don't do it, man. I've been wanting to get into Armored Core after seeing the sixth game's trailer at The Game Awards, but the gatekeepers are already pissing me off.
Garnt's explanation of what he liked about the later seasons of Game of Thrones and why he's interested in Trails tells me he would be absolutely obsessed with Brandon Sanderson's Cosmere novels if he read them. Get this man on some Mistborn and Stormlight Archive, Sanderlanches would drive him insane.
Completionist for Trails in the Sky FC at 65 hours, the set the scene game, then watch those completion times go skyward from then onwards. Thats a project I have personally undertaken and if you guys were to put more mainstream focus on the series, that would be great for it, give it a go, you get a lot out of it and would fill a stream for a very VERY long time, the only gaming story anywhere like it is FFXIV so it deserves some more sun to shine on it. Might need some breaks to pace yourself though, especially if going for near 100% playthroughs :P
As someone who has played exactly one Trails game (Trails in the Sky 1), I have to say it's probably one of the best JRPGs I've ever played and the one I'd recommend starting with. While it's a bit dated now, it has absolutely amazing worldbuilding and the thing that impressed me the most was the sheer amount of dialogue in the game. Basically, every time you complete a section of the main quest, every NPC in that area will have something new to say and some of them even have their own miniature story arcs, it's really impressive. In that game, even every chest has a different line of dialogue! In terms of difficulty, I'd say the game definitely has a learning curve and can be pretty difficult if you don't know what you're doing and don't set up your party correctly. The music is also very good as well. In terms of length though, I'd say the game is pretty long and I have 73 hours logged with one playthrough, though a bit of that was probably AFK so I'd say maybe 60-70 hours of content if going at a leisurely pace.
Trails series is excellent. I highly recommend anyone who’s interest was peaked check out Luxin’s 1 hour and 30 minute video on how to get into the series (start from trails in the sky)
I feel like every week for months now I've caught myself thinking about how Garnt might be the most unrelatable, yet not completely insane, person ever.
for sure. i agree with a lot of his takes, and even the ones i disagree with (the bread one lol) i can see how he would think that way and he just needs to try and not be stubborn about it to change his mind
is that what you decide to dedicate your brain power to
I actually relate to a lot of garnt's takes with the excepcion of his food takes
Oddly I relate more to Garnt than the rest. His takes actually lines up with most of my preferences.
if you live in asia you almost 100% would relate more to grant
Every time I think their tastes can't get any worse, _they get worse._
I love these guys.
Right 😭
It's Called Trash Taste For a Reason
If nothing else it fits their brand.
That's why we are here
Is that effin Notte as your PFP? top tier taste there
RIP Dragalia
I love how Connor goes from praising how the World Building is great with most characters, including secondary ones in GoT, but then immediately gets disgusted by the same idea in an RPG series.
Hearing Connor talk about plot and story structure in such an in depth way when talking about GOT gave me whiplash for a second there
Ikr. Monke shouldn't have that kind of way with words.
Story in games: I sleep
Story in TV/Movies: Real shit
@@SuperDeathgun Well makes sense cause why else would you watch a movie or Tv series?
That's what's so weird about him! It's not like he doesn't like plot and story telling, it's just that he HATES it in games. His ability to take in a story disappears once a controller enters his hands, it's uncanny.
@@sleeplessknight173 This is a weird analogy I'll admit, but it's sorta like how if you want to eat tacos but I brought you to a steak place instead. Steaks are great, but you were in a Taco headspace. You were in the mood for tacos, not steaks.
I have a few friends like Connor, and when they wanna watch a movie they want a movie, and when they wanna play games they just wanna play. Both are enjoyable things, but if they're in a gaming headspace they just wanna play and nothing else.
I could also be talking out of my ass with these thoughts though so def take it with a grain of salt lol, but that's how I feel it's like at least!
A take I completely agree with Connor, having a generation of Pokemon where the types are NOT grass, water, and fire would definitely be interesting and almost a breath of fresh air
I wouldn't mind, but I can understand why they never changed it. Since the games are primarily aimed at a younger demographic, the red-green-blue triangle very quickly explains the concept of type weaknesses in a intuitive way. A kid won't have to ask why water is strong against fire. But if you have uhh psychic-dark-ghosts starters or whatever, the concept becomes more abstract from get-go instead of later on in the game.
Pokemon dark rising
I'd like to see a triad of Fighting/Psychic/Dark starters
Dragon, fairy, and psychic
Electric, Rock, Steel
The first gym is ground
gotta love how joey's justification for keeping up with pokemon is literally just the sunk cost fallacy
Kind of explains why the whole Pokémon franchise banks on nostalgia bait more than anything else. Gamefreak knows their audience.
I mean maybe this is just me but I feel like you could say the same for most of nintendos franchises lol
@@Royal__Kitsune I mean, as they said. Metroid is still quality, so is Zelda and Mario. It’s just Pokémon that wouldn’t be given the time of day if it didn’t have that legacy behind it
@@Royal__Kitsune i have to disagree.
Mario games are still consistently well crafted both in the gameplay and graphical sense. And even if i haven't been a fan of the Breath of the Wild era of Zelda (open world fatigue is real) i could not even pretend to make the argument that the game is "shit" in the same way as the recent pokemon games, everything the game tries to do it does well and functions without any troubles. The Kirby games have been great, Animal Crossing still goes hard, Metroid Dread is easily one of my favorites in the franchise, etc etc etc.
Nintendo does milk nostalgia but with most of the franchises they at least have the decency to make sure that the product is still good, Pokemon is exceptionally poorly made compared to the other games they put out.
@@Royal__Kitsuneyou are objectively wrong. Mario and Zelda is constantly innovating and pushing their gameplay and world building to the limit
Garnt explaining himself here reminds me of his "Life-Cycle of an Anime fan" video. You start out enjoying trashy shit, then you go thruogh your artisan phase of wanting to experience "complex writing" or "highly acclaimed" media, and then you get burnt out and finally reignite your passion by accepting you enjoy trashy shit.
All the Trails fans coming out of the woodwork after this episode. I love it.
There's a whole dozen of us!
This series is my favorite piece of media ever, I urge everyone to play it if it sounds like something they'd be interested in
just finished zero today, another 5 games to go
INDEED! Garnt would be in danger if he got into trails, it's exactly his thing
What's the actual name of the series though. I know Atelier is a whole different thing that Garnt mixed up.
"The WORST Takes we've ever had"
Do you have any idea how little that narrows it down?
All bread tastes the same still takes the cake.
@@ausreir Frenchmen everywhere cried out in anguish
@@tc2241 all Europeans man. Hungarians, Italians, Germans, all.
@@tc2241 hell, even brit*sh people also felt some pain. Greg's bread ain't bad at all.
@@tc2241 Northern China also eats considerable amount of "bread", so definitely not the same.
Never thought I would hear about Trails in a Trash Taste episode. I think Garnt and Joey would really like the games. You don't need to rush through them, just play them at your own pace. Also, the games are filled with banger tracks.
Yeah trails is lit, I played most of them from June to November. I’ve taken a little break to play other stuff but I’m really excited to get back into it.
@@Guy811 I've been playing them since 2018 and took breaks between them to play something else too. I like to do that to avoid any burn out. Hope you keep enjoying the franchise. You are in for a great time!
Def one of my fav game series.
my absolute favorite jrp series
And then there's Connor with no concept of having to watch cutscenes-
I just realized
Joey = Pokemon
Garnt = God of War
Connor = Elder Rings
A true differed gaming style
Aka gaming to
Feel good
Experience something
Improve
Elder Rings?
Ah yes my favorite game. Elder rings
Whops wrote it wrong *Edit note* Elden Ring
JRPG nostalgia
Narrative
Fun gameplay
“This is coming from someone who’s never watched Game of Thrones by the way”
Classic Joey
yeah lmfao
You know trails is good when basic NPCs make continuous cameos across games that takes place in DIFFERENT countries and YEARS (Yes Ricky and Anton I'm looking at you.)
Legit, the Series is so good that it makes me sad when other modern Jrpgs (outside of Dragon Quest) doesn’t have the depth of characterization with NPCs as Trails.
I've noticed recently that Connor's open laugh hapoens more and more. Even half a year ago it was quieter but now it's just all out, 40yo dad in a pub after his football team won and he's had a few beers.
I love it
So glad Trails is being mentioned, definitely an under rated series. really hope both Garnt and Joey gave them go whether off stream or on stream
The best series ever he needs to start with Sky trilogy tho pleasee
Everytime i heard Garnt and Joey talk about their love for a world building in media i was praying they would look into the trails games.
If Garnt get into Trails imma fucking scream from joy
I really hope they get into this
They perfectly captured my feelings about the series. I've been trying to dive into it for a couple of years now, but still haven't
Throwing my hat in to support Garnt and Joey starting the Trails series. I always heard of Trails in the Sky and Trails of Cold Steel as cult classic RPGs in the past, but I properly gave the series a shot a few years ago and, and it's a wonderful journey. This is the perfect time to jump in as well with them finally pushing out English localizations of the 4th and 5th games (though Joey has the luxury of going through the games in Japanese, which are way further ahead).
It scratches a particular niche for RPG lovers. Definitely not for everybody (Connor definitely won't like them), but the series deserves all the praise it gets.
Yes!
Now we understand how Connor gets food poisoning so often..."Medium rare pork". Perfect.
I ate raw pork a couple of times. Always seemed normal to me and never had any issues.
@@mellar5864 probably a 'you' thing but generally raw pork is poisonous to pretty much almost everyone.
A german eating his Mettbrötchen
Pink in the middle, but never rare, for me. I don't think it fits the taste of pork.
Pork literally has no terms it has to be well done. It's not like beef.
I would never thought I'd see the day Garnt mentioned Trails but I really really wish he's get into it cuz it just seems like something he would love, this is coming from someone who has Trails as his favorite series ever, seeing Garnt just thinking about starting it even if he prob won't just made me happy and excited for no reason lol
The thing with Game of Thrones is that the showrunners didn't even run out of books, they just ignored the direction that books 4 and 5 were going in and shoved a few plot points into season 5 while ignoring entire other plot threads (The entire Dorne plotline in the books for example was just thrown out the window, and Young Griff straight up doesn't exist in the show).
Tbh I anderstand some of the trimming down they did in the show(not all but some) in the end it's a tv series they can't put it all in. Cutting some new plot points that might drag down the heavy plot will be unwise move .and tbh that's one of my problem whit gourge. He probably didn't finish WOW because there was so many plots and charcter to tie down whit our making it collapse on its self it's almost impossible and probably stressful af..makes me Wonder what will happen if G didn't felt like adding so many new elements ..(still doesn't forgive what the writers did to our cathulu pirate)
Knowing Garnt's tastes in games. I really think he would enjoy the "Trails" series of games. For those who would like to play these games, the structure of games is simpler than what Garnt said. It's really chronological, divided into successives games about (successives) stories arc. For example, the first 3 games are about Liberl arc and the names are trails in the sky 1,2,3.
So the only rule to follow is to pick any of the first game of an arc. You could start with Trails in the sky 1 or you could start with trails of cold steel 1 based on Erebonia empire arc. If you pick the latter, you will be spoiled about Sky arc at some point.
The earlier you pick, the more you will taste world building and enjoy the story but you really can start with any of the 1st game of a story arc. Its really depend how much time you want to spend (Starting from the first game its hundreds of hours)
It’s not “Trails of” it’s just “Trails”
He'd probably love the fuck out of the Xenoblade games
@@pokeboi5438 True
Trails is one of best series ever but it is HIGHLY recommended to play Sky trilogy then cross bell then cold steel in order
@@pokeboi5438 yeah he’s confusing tales of with trails
lol, I heard Garnt saying "There's a very very niche JRPG series I've been thinking of getting into" and my mind immediately went to Trails, which I was playing whilst listening... and I was freackin right.
Connor saying he couldn't live in a world without cheese is true American Midwest
Connor seems to be getting ever so slightly more American with every passing episode.
I couldn't either.
You dorks get it from Europe.
real and true
even though the best cheeses are all from Europe.
As another Trails fan voicing in for the franchize, I absolutely agree that it's an amazing JRPG and that the pay-off is definitely here. Garnt explained the premise quite well and it's definitely true that it has some of, if not, the best world-building I've come to know in any JRPG series ever. Literally almost every NPC has a name, its own story, 2 new dialogue options after every major plot point event, is capable of sorting out their own problems and some even reappear across multiple game arcs. You can still meet old NPCs you were used to seeing in the older games in the newer ones on the same spot too!
That being said yeah, as you could probably imagine, the games are very text-heavy, apart from doing fights, some main quests, etc, it consist of a lot of running around cities and actually talking to NPCs (I mean you can skip it and not do it, but I feel like it's such a huge part of the game that if you were to do that, the game is simply not for you). On top of that, with a lot of games to the series and with how the games are designed, I personally find myself having over 100 hours on every single one of these games (some of them even over 200). Now granted I do tend to play my games rather slowly and I'm more of a completionist, it's still definitely a considerable time-investment that you need to account for when you get into it. Pair that up with how the game is and that it has a turn-based combat system (which I absolutely love, but I fully understand its not for everyone), I do get why it may be a hard series to get into.
At the end of the day though, I still believe those absolutely epic moments where various characters get mentions from others you have only heard of up until that moment, when they actually meet and unite across different arcs, interact together, and fight together are absolutely amazing and you will grin from ear to ear after experiencing that awesome adventure.
I never thought the boys would ever discuss the Trails series, I hope one of them gives it a go!
Same, whenever they discussed Persona I thought to myself ‘damn they would really like trails’
I hope Garnt and Joey can both try it out, don't think it's for Connor
THIS! So much this! Joey and Garnt would definetly love the series, but Connor would loathe it. Every single game in the series has about as much text as a Visual Novel, after all.
Trails in the Sky SC blows every other JRPG that ever existed out of the water.
@@VanillaCoke1956Sophisticated Battle is the best battle theme ever, change my mind
Trails series is amazing but you need to really like story and character development. The amount of dialogue in the game is soo detailed, random side characters on the street will go through full arcs if you talk to them regularly. So good, but obviously not for everyone!
Speaking of random side characters, Anton said hi
imagine next week comes and Joey randomly finishes Trails in the Sky FC like he did with 13 Sentinels.
My favorite arc is trails azure fishing guild, they went through a hell of struggle. I JUST STARTED COLD STEEL THEY HAD THE AUDACITY TO TELL YOU THAT KENNETH IS LAKELORD FUCKING BRO? This game is full of twist
@@Prenda_ azure in general was pretty goated. I liked the fishing too though
@@jamiekb9v absolutely, i played this game after finishing yakuza 6 and the feels i had for keA is the same feeling kiryu had for haruka, and it pains me a lot seeing "that twist"
You're a true trails fan if you're playing 8pm in the final chapter and finishes at 4am in the morning.
Man, you know you can't put it down once those climax of chapters hit the fan. That's the hype that I get in trails games that I can't get in other JRPGs.
Hearing the boys discussion around GoT reminds me of the dumpster fire in the Attack on Titan community when the manga ended. Really excited to hear the discussion here once it ends
I doubt he will read the comments, but Garnt should really give the Trails series a try. It's one of the most rewarding stories in all of gaming.
"A world without cheese is one I don't wanna be in" Yes Connor
*cries in lactose intolerant cheese lover*
@@longlosttricorn I'm lucky enough that my lactose intolerance is mild enough that lactaid or similar work for me
Fun fact, allergy is a condition that only really exists in developed countries where it was a lot less common before 1900. A theory as to why people develop allergies is called the hygiene hypothesis. Where it proposes humans today are too clean and our immune system has nothing to do. Child in big families are less likely to be allergic since they are often exposed to germs and infections, which helps the immune system develops. Another interesting case is how West Berlin had better healthcare and less pollution than East Berlin, but more people have allergies.
For Trails, play in Japanese release order and you should be fine 👍
Perfect time right now as one of the older arcs--consisting of two games--is finally being localized next spring with the epilogue game for the 3 established arcs from the very first Sky game to now also being localized next summer.
I completely randomly got sucked into the Trails series about a month ago. I was just looking to buy a new game on Steam under the JRPG tag, and within hours I had somehow purchased all of Sky and Cold Steel in one go. I am waiting for Azure to drop to see if there will be a good sale on Zero. I say waiting but I have so much on my plate already as is.
I'm 100% with Garnt here and video game stories: I am not only here for pressing buttons, I need a story investment in a game.
Wack, I'm here to press buttons and get the .PNG that says I press buttons better than 98% of players
Same thing I have with porn. Give me depth damn it
If you haven't already try Hades, it's the absolute perfect mixture of gameplay and story.
I feel kinda split on this, my favorite games of all time are the Max Payne games, and they have tons of story, and yet I don’t really like the direction that modern games are going for where story is completely prioritized over gameplay
I enjoy story in video games but I also enjoy games that mainly involve the players skill with little to no story like the project diva games.( mainly because it's a fun rhythm game series). I love the story and gameplay for the death end request games. I'm hoping if they get a third game made it'll combine the best parts of both. Utawarerumono is a game series that's a slow burn story interspersed with bits of turn based strategy battles with fun combo gameplay. The emotional payoff of both mask of deception and mask of truth are great! I'm currently playing prelude to the fallen( the actual first game in the series that the U.S. got late') I imagine I'll feel the same even after having fully watched it's super condensed anime counterpart years ago.
Here for the Trails mention. I think it's right up Garnt and Joey's alley, and to anyone interested, Garnt made it sound more complicated than it really is, just start with the first game and follow release order if you want a great turn based JRPG series to try and are an enjoyer of rich story, dialogue, and worldbuilding.
(And I suggest talking to lots of npcs and doing plenty of side quests or you miss half the fun)
Yeah, it isn't Fate, you don't need hours of videos to get into.
@@MyVanir I mean, arguably you can do the same thing for Fate and follow the release order.
@@blurb9319 The thing about following release order is that F/Z being before the UBW and HF adaptations means that a lot of rather important parts of those get spoiled. Like, if you don't want the experience spoiled, you NEED someone to tell you what to avoid, while Trails is literally a linear experience.
@@MyVanir If you want to get technical about it, FSN was the first thing in the series that was released, then the FSN Dean adaptation, then the UBW movies, then Zero.
@@blurb9319 And if you want to get technical about it, you don't need anything besides FSN, FHA and the F/Z novels in that case.
I just want a double guest episode with Emily and daidus, let the hot takes unfold x2 .
1:34:44 Let's gooo Greek food. Conor just hasn't eaten in good Greek restaurants. Just come to Greece and try it here :D
Also Garnt broke my heart when he said he doesn't like Feta :(
I got whiplash when they mentioned Greek food, never heard them speak about anything Greek before and if sounded unreal lmao
@@Katia.t.t Same lol
Even worse than the TV series video? IMPOSSIBLE
there's no ceiling of their trash takes. It just gets higher every episode
@@22515362 Can we get much higher?
The TT ceiling does not exist.
any of their food takes are just trash
It wasn't that bad. I took my time to watch "The good place" reccomended by garnt and actually enjoyed it, might check out more shows that they mentioned. Edit. But maybe I just have trash taste xd
I was fist pumping so hard from Garnt just mentioning Trails. To the maybe 2 or 3 people that read this, don't let the mention of the 20 minute video intimidate you (there was a bit of trouble in the past where 2 earlier games didn't have English localization, BUT this problem has been fixed.). The series is long, but it tells a linear story across all its games (Japanese release order matches the order of events. It's not hard to follow). For those who don't want to Google anything, the order is Sky games, Crossbell (Zero/Azure), and Cold Steel (and most of them have the decency to be subtitled 1, 2, 3). Every single one of the games are on Steam (and a majority are on nearly every console).
You can play the first game Trails in the Sky FC on a 20 year old laptop. Also, it's dirt cheap. It goes on sale all the time for as little as 10 bucks. Yes, there's an intended (and ideal) order to the games, but it's really not that complicated.
Also, if you're not into JRPGs PLEASE at least listen to the soundtrack. It is one of the best soundtracks out there. Every game in the series has dozens of absolute bangers.
I haven't even played the trails games yet but I love the theme from the first dungeon in trails of cold steel 1. So pretty. I'm thinking of starting with trails from azure since it's on switch. I'm still annoyed cold steel's first few games aren't on switch in the U.S yet. I'll probably play my fiance's copies on the ps4 then.
@@yunogasai1338 Did you mean Zero? Azure isn't out until March and it's a direct sequel to Zero. If you do play it I hope you enjoy it. Crossbell has got some awesome tunes.
And yeah... it's a shame too. I really hope all the games get ported to switch but it's unlikely. The Sky games and the first 2 Cold Steel games were under different localizers. They did a SPECTACULAR job, but the games didn't really catch on until latter half of Cold Steel, so it changed hands. Xseed did awesome work, but they were way too small a team to keep translating a game as text heavy as trails.
@@tmk5567 oops, my bad I meant zero.
Jrpg bad
I just played fc, sc, 3rd(and stopped bcs it's just rescuing, shame because i love kevin very much), zero, azure(psp translation, i'll buy the pc one if it's out), and now in the middle of cold steel.
And i got 5 more games i have yet to play oh boy
The Iseaki analogy was such a good comp for the Pokemon games. But Joey couldn't accept that, he recognized that this was a bad take episode so he had to start running interference immediately.
I’m impressed to see the fanboy copium defense of scarlet and violet. The story was mid at best, visuals/performance unforgivable, and the world was atrocious. It made me realize that arceus was pretty decent for a Pokémon switch game
I wish Aki had featured in this. I could totally see her arguing for HOURS on the Kingdom Hearts games and storyline hahaha.
as a certified greek i can say that a lot of greek restaurants in australia are really good because most of them are run by greek people and greek hospitality is something we are very proud of and also on the other hand alot of greeks can be mean or dismissive towards people and that could be the reason joey and connor have had such diffrent experiences,still tho im happy to see greece talked about on this podcast
Greek watchers rise up
Both Joey and Connor are correct, Greek food abroad is hit or miss. Aussie Greeks seems to know their shit though. Good takes by both gents here.
Also it would be nice when people realise that Greek food is not just lamb, feta cheese and tzatziki. We don’t even eat lamb that often. I’m not sure what those international Greek restaurants are doing.
Same with Greek restaurants in Germany , mostly run by Greeks , just like the Italian restaurants are run by Italians. If the person grew up with and loves the cuisine , they can be a good restauranteur for that cuisine.
Garnt should totally get into Trails! It's a fantastic game series! Just start from the first one and you're set!
im curious, is it really needed to start from the start?? So far only finished trail in the sky FC and SC
@@kiroo886 Sky FC is the start
@@finnthehuman9033 sh*t im dumb, i thought they meant the start of legend of heroes series
@@kiroo886 Oh lol, don't know if they even know it's part of the legend of heroes series
Cmon let's get garnt into it
Garnt mentions Trails:
Trails Fans: Allow us to introduce ourselves
I didn’t know Connor was friends with so many game journalist. That’s what I can assume since he said he keeps hearing people tell him how complicated Ragnarok’s storyline is. Prayers to them eventually finishing the game.
I have been waiting for SO long for you guys to talk about Trails.. Its my favorite video game series of all time, and I really hope Garnt gets into it!
I could only imagine Garnt's reaction if Malazan gets a good series adaptation. Convergence in every book.
A Malazan anime would be fucking incredible
@@joelandrews1 Rake-kun. Felisin-chan.
@@loczek1965 ooooh Dujek-sama
Fucking YESSS. He will probably never read the books, but I would LOVE a review by Garnt.
@@berserker8884 the world is not ready for good adaptation of western fantasy. That's why the brave heros from Hollywood keep fucking them up so hard.
Really hoping that Garnt does play the Trails series.
Emirichu catching strays for not liking lamb and preferring beef from an ORANGE HATING HEATHEN is peak buffoonery.
And I'm here for it.
I would be so down to watch Garnt and Joey stream the Trails series for months straight. That sounds awesome
As a Trails fan, I am happy that Garnt and Joey talk about Trails series.
only for us Trails fans. sounds like a nightmare for everyone else.
Can confirm the cat allergy thing is true. Me and my mom are both allergic to cats, but we've had cats our entire lives. I only really get an allergic reaction now when my cat starts shedding a lot (transition to winter / summer) but other than that we can both live with cats just fine. As soon as I go to a friend / family member who owns a cat however, my allergic reactions start again.
The directors of “Game of Thrones” were rushing for a Star Wars series with Disney. That’s why they rushed GOT and finished it 2 seasons early. The problem was that they botched it so badly that Disney didn’t want them make a Star Wars show for them anymore. The directors of the show claimed that they left Disney on their own terms. Insisting that they weren’t kicked out. However Disney very much did drop them.
the trails series doesn’t have a complicated order to get into.
You start chronologically but the first game is from 2004 and that’s how the high barrier of entry comes from. There are 12 games, but the problem plaguing the series for western players is the localisation taking ages. As of right now all Games 5, 11 and 12 aren’t available in an official english translation. Although Game 5 does get one early next year…
anyways it’s worth getting into, imo the best story and most memorable characters i’ve experienced in any jrpg.
1:13:16 I'm obsessed with Garnt's little "Ye" and his smile afterwards
Trails is very much worth getting into, it’s awesome
43:12 It's so funny how Joey says sorry when Garnt talks about he watches Isekai, it's like Garnt did something so wrong in his life. (kinda true lol)
Speaking of being allergic to chicken, my grandmother took allergy tests like 3 years ago and found out she was allergic to chicken, freaking LETTUCE and TOMatos and White rice. What we found funny is that that's basically what puertoricans live off off😂😂😭
damn... nothing can make me stop eating arros con pollo....idc if i die
As a Brazilian, that's rough as fuck. That's also basically half of our diet.
As a trails addict *Cough* FAN, Garnt mentioning "trails" makes me want to replay the entire series just so I can judge if Garnt and Joeys takes are shit or not. (assuming they actually take the plunge and start).
The thing that made me love Trails series first time playing it is how the NPCs are alive. Like damn, half of the fun of the game is actually interacting with them every time you got the chance to do so. Don't be surprised if you actually recognized and remembered those faceless NPCs by the end game lol
If allergies a a skill issue, then Joey's Dad got gud to get over his shrimp allergy
Took me 3 tries to get into trails, I find the first game pretty slow at start but after I was able to finish it and Immediately go play the sequel I know I am addicted with the game and the world.
Around zero no kiseki(Crossbell arc), I noticed I am actually talking to every npc everytime they have new dialogues. Yes including the chests
Same thing happened to me. I've timed it between me and a bunch of other friends who have played it, it takes you 1 hour to get into the first battle. I fell off hard twice before even reaching that first battle, which is a shame because on my third attempt I got hooked the second I got into battle and heard that smooth ass battle theme.
The chest dialogue is one of my favorite things in the Sky and Crossbell games! Half the time I'm more excited for the chest's dialogue than its item. I'm really going to miss it when I get to the Cold Steel arc.
Oh my goodness, when Garnt was saying he was considering a new game series, I was just saying Trails over and over in my mind and when he said Trails, I was so happy
As Trails fan, I want to say that Garnt makes it sound hard to approach, but in reality you have 3 entry points, which make it as painless as possible, they are , Trails in the Sky (first arc in series, so you won't miss any callbacks) Trails to Zero/Azure (Second arc)and Trails of Cold Steel. Right now, if you want to try I recommend first or third arc, because third have modern gameplay but first have best characters.
Im incredibly sleep deprived, just summarise this for me:
What is the best way for I, a person who has literally no knowledge regarding this series, to get into the series, from a single point
@@arctohru I recommend Trails of Cold Steel
@@arctohru Trails in the Sky, hands down.
Trails is way easier than people make it out to be. _Just play them in published order, yo.
Trails is absolutely worth falling into the rabbit hole for. It’s by far the best video game worldbuilding I’ve ever seen. Despite how many games there are and how it’s a 20 year old series, the longest game is about 60 hours which is cold steel IV, but all the others are around 40 hrs or less. Also it’s best to play if you have a pc since all the of them are available on steam and I highly recommend going in release order with the Sky arc first. I finished Sky and Cold Steel in two years while also doing college, work, and theater which includes six months when my laptop broke while I was playing Sky First Chapter and I had to start over when I finally got a new one. It’s really not as long as it looks, but the series does have a very dedicated fan base who care very deeply about the story and the world so, like my comment now, we tend to rant about it.
I can't wait to see the hilarious responses to Joey when he tweeted his reaction about changing the pokemon anime MC
If Joey or Garnt stream the Trails series, I would watch EVERY episode...
This year, I just started trying to get through the Legend of Heroes games. I played the first two Cold Steel games, then realized I may need to go back to the Crossbell games (and listen to the Drama CDs via youtube). I am glad they are porting the Crossbell games to modern consoles, but I also want them to localize the high-definition port of the Sky trilogy and port them to modern consoles.
Normally I don't want episodes to end, but I genuinely, whole heartedly did not want this one to end.
Would love to see Garnt/Joey get into the Trails series
Jumped ahead to the Trails series section
Yes, yes Garnt and Joey, join the dark side
Definitely give the trails series a go! Even if you just play the Sky series it's worth it for sure! Playing the crossbell arc I was riveted and excited by a political conference 😅
Love the Trails series mentioned, I started with Cold Steel saga, and I'm continuing to work backwards to older games with enjoyment. Hope you guys will try the games in the future.
Yes! I mentioned Trails during one of Garnt’s streams a couple of months ago. So glad that he’s starting to look into it! Starting with FC is the way to go. Western releases are still catching up so feel free to take your time. Each game is easily more than 60 hours.
It’s not too hard to start, considering Garnt don’t really care about the graphics. So yeah starting right now with Sky FC and play casually sounds just right to me. If you’re going with 1 game per month(Sky fc, Sky sc, Sky 3rd, zero) and you get to March, which is when the next game comes out.
It's about time the Kiseki series is mentions on TT. Absolutely phenomenal series
Them talking about Doctor Who was like Gordan Ramsey taking about Brick laying
The Trails series is my favorite JRPG series and it deserves more love then it gets. its a complete blast and I love all the characters and especially the world, I Highly recommend it to anyone who likes JRPGS
trails series is worth it, seriously, there's a lot of detail in the writing even after it goes as far as the cold steel arc. the romance aspect of the cold steel goes a bit too far that it becomes a parody but it's still really good
Can't wait for Garnt's (and Joey's) "Trails of" arc
The boys talking about Trails has made me so unreasonably happy. I really hope they go through it and be able to experience the emotions that hit me when I played that behemoth of a series.
I was not expecting you guys to talk about the trails series lol. I LOVE it. Your literally playing an anime with characters that matter. A lot of dialogue tho Connor will probably hate it lol
If you do play trails, start with trails in the sky, the story sort of compounds each game and it's honestly super fun, I highly recommend, just play it on release order (Japanese not western) and it'll be a good time
Agreed, Sky FC's ending is probably one of the best in the series (best ending song imo)
I flipped the fuck out when Garnt casually brought up the Trails series. I feel like it's still so niche in the west I hardly ever hear people talk about it randomly. It's also really not that hard to get into in 2022/2023 as long as you have a PC/Laptop.
Start with the Trails in the Sky games and just follow the chronological order from there (Sky, Zero/Azure games, then the four Cold Steel games). They're fairly long JRPGs sure, but there's no need to rush through. Play at your own pace and you'll eventually just catch up to the newest release. Especially since they take so long to localize. Also yes, they are as good as people say. The fanbase is so hardcore for a reason lol
Edit: Just a bit of context, I started with Cold Steel 1+2 and went back to the Sky games from there, which was honestly fine as well. I just wouldn't start in the middle of an arc or with the latest release. You'll definitely miss out on a lot if you do.
Them talking about Pokémon and Doctor Who really hurt me as a mega fan of both of those franchises
One thing that'd be great is if you guys would throw a big label on the screen of whatever game/show/anime you're currently talking about -- sometimes you only mention the title ONCE and very quickly, making it hard to know what exactly you're talking about at any given time! Cooptional Podcast used to do this to great effect.
Garnt: Story is really important
Also Garnt: The latter seasons of Game of Thrones were really good
Garnt you should definitely get into the trails series, start with sky first chapter or cold steel 1. Both are great starting points!
I can never agree with starting Trails are CS because the biggest twist from the end of the first game is just brought up casually in conversation in CS1 and there is just no gravity to it if you don't know what they're talking about. And then there is how closely the end of CS1 ties into the end of Ao/Azure. But more importantly then any of that so many people are in such a rush to get to Cold Steel 1 when I just don't think its worth it as a game, they introduce so many new characters at once they aren't able to spend enough time fleshing each one out, and then there is how repetitive and formulaic it is too that I can easily see people get turned off by it. I had a friend that started at CS1 and fell off because of how formulaic it was, and said friend had no problem getting into Sky FC.
Yall making me want to try trails damn okay ill def try it out when i got the time
@@makii4772 The first game its a very slow burn and is a ton of set up until what feels like 60-70% in, that's something you gotta be ready to put up with. It's still fun the whole way through but its but its more slow paced and relaxed with no major stake until later. With all the set up being all payoff in the next game. There are also fan patches that add voice acting from the vita version if you want those.
@@makii4772 i mean this is the game where every npc in crosbell (the main city of 4th game) has their own stories that they will tell you every chapter. Seriously awesome
as someone who couldn't give less of a shit about pokemon, is cute listening to joey talking about it, like a son describing something he loves.
In regards to the surfing conversation, these guys gotta get a load of riptides bro. Surfing becomes a lot less energy draining when you realize that the rip is basically a weird slightly dangerous conveyorbelt
Connor: Goes to America twice
Also Connor: Trying to get a gun in Japan
Joey dissing the story in black & white hell nahhh 💀 literal most rememberable story in the entire franchise
i love how joey makes jrpg’s sound pretentious
That's just his thing but we all love him for it
Man, hearing them talk about the Trails series as someone who grew up playing the original Gagharv trilogy makes me want to gatekeep everyone lmao. It's such a bittersweet feeling. I love those games.
Don't do it, man. I've been wanting to get into Armored Core after seeing the sixth game's trailer at The Game Awards, but the gatekeepers are already pissing me off.
Garnt's explanation of what he liked about the later seasons of Game of Thrones and why he's interested in Trails tells me he would be absolutely obsessed with Brandon Sanderson's Cosmere novels if he read them. Get this man on some Mistborn and Stormlight Archive, Sanderlanches would drive him insane.
id love to see a collab of joey and grant do a side podcast of just them after finishing each trails game
garnt being insanely wrong about doctor who killed me
Completionist for Trails in the Sky FC at 65 hours, the set the scene game, then watch those completion times go skyward from then onwards.
Thats a project I have personally undertaken and if you guys were to put more mainstream focus on the series, that would be great for it, give it a go, you get a lot out of it and would fill a stream for a very VERY long time, the only gaming story anywhere like it is FFXIV so it deserves some more sun to shine on it.
Might need some breaks to pace yourself though, especially if going for near 100% playthroughs :P
As someone who has played exactly one Trails game (Trails in the Sky 1), I have to say it's probably one of the best JRPGs I've ever played and the one I'd recommend starting with. While it's a bit dated now, it has absolutely amazing worldbuilding and the thing that impressed me the most was the sheer amount of dialogue in the game. Basically, every time you complete a section of the main quest, every NPC in that area will have something new to say and some of them even have their own miniature story arcs, it's really impressive. In that game, even every chest has a different line of dialogue! In terms of difficulty, I'd say the game definitely has a learning curve and can be pretty difficult if you don't know what you're doing and don't set up your party correctly. The music is also very good as well.
In terms of length though, I'd say the game is pretty long and I have 73 hours logged with one playthrough, though a bit of that was probably AFK so I'd say maybe 60-70 hours of content if going at a leisurely pace.
The worst thing about Game of Thrones is that the books will probably never be finished either
"I cant explain why I like it, I know it sucks but I still love it" is my taste with shows summed up perfectly, thanks Joey
What a beautiful and elegant food convo without shouting
Trails series is excellent. I highly recommend anyone who’s interest was peaked check out Luxin’s 1 hour and 30 minute video on how to get into the series (start from trails in the sky)