I know this is an old video and probably doesn’t apply anymore but wanted to throw my 2 cents in anyway. I’m the IT Director at the company I work for and have been in IT for nearly 20 years. Our office building had a renovation back in the late 90’s and our building is wired using CAT 5 (not 5E) cables with a manufacture date code of 1997. The patch panels are also CAT 5 (not 5E). Some of the runs are well over 200 feet as it is a 2 story building. I’ve been able to I auto negotiate at 10 gigabit in Windows 10/11 & Windows Server 2019 as well as push near 10 gigabit speed on tools such as iperf3 with no packet loss. I’ve also used Fluke testing equipment to analyze and it also can push 10 gigabits over our longest runs with no packet loss. This is all using the A wiring standard, not the typical B most people use. So, we’ve decided to keep everything in place. Your CAT 5E should be perfectly fine as long as it isn’t CCA and is solid copper from a reputable manufacturer.
Mikrotik make some affordable 10Gbit switches. There is the MikroTik CRS305-1G-4S+IN which is a 4-port SFP+ switch for about $140 on Amazon. Also have an 8-port SFP+ switch (CRS309-1G-8S+IN) for about $240. Though the switches are complicated to setup if you use RouterOS. These switches also support SwitchOS which is much simpler to use.
Pfsense is extraordinarily low maintenance. It also receives regular updates. I have it running on a 1u Lenovo thinkserver and it's pretty much set it and forget it. Burn the image to a thumb drive it's up and running in less than 5 minutes. I have it paired with a tplink switch with 4 SFP+ ports and it handles 10gig with ease. No worries though. Pfsense will be here whenever you outgrow unifi.
I just ordered a Unifi Dream Machine Pro yesterday. Most suppliers are out of stock, we'll see if mine actually ships... Looking forward to more about your 2.5GbS and 10GbS stuff.
I just upgraded to the Xfinity Gigabit from a 250Mbps plan a month ago. Using their new XB7 gateway in bridge mode connected to the 2.5Gb port with my Netgear RAX120 multi-gig port (skipped the Dream Machine for the RAX120 specifically for the multi-gig WAN and link Aggregation LAN) I’m pulling 1.2Gbps on average down with 47Mbps up, they over-provision! I’m using the XB7 gateway because they bundle the rental fee and removal of the data cap for $25/month. If I find a multi-gig modem they’ll support without issue I might ditch it, but I’ve found I breach the normal 1TB cap sometimes. I live in a mixed zone area with a business across the street and they’re running the 2Gig pro. Spoke to one of their techs in the area a week ago and found out that if I wanted it, I could get the 2 gig line. I’d have no need for that but it’s nice to know if I want it it’s there. I’d love it if they just offered symmetrical 1 Gig.
I'd try to go with 10gig everything mainly for intranet use cases. Like NAS access, virtual machines, multiple machines running network tasks. For the upstairs computer you can get the Mikrotek CRS305-1G-4S+IN for $130 or the CRS309-1G-8S+IN for about $250 when it's in stock. It uses SFP+ but you can get SFP+ nics dirt cheap off of ebay. Also for your devices like laptops that don't have a 10gig port you can get a transceiver for the switch so you can just run straight ethernet off the switch. The best part about doing this is you're less likely to want to upgrade sooner so you have the potential to save money overall.
Thanks for the info on the Qnap switch! Upgrading my PC mobo to one that has 2.5gbps and was planning on adding a 2.5gbps card to my Freenas server. Should work well! Just wish I could get more than 10mbps - 20mbps upload using Charter as my ISP. It sucks ISPs dont care about upload speeds...
Great video and interesting project. The GoCoax MOCA adapters with their 2.5Gbps "trunk" sound ideal for your new setup and internet connection. If only they had added a 2.5gbps port on the darn thing! ^^
I recently upgraded from 100/10 Mbps/ to Gigabit/50 Mbps for $75/month. It's a DOCSIS 3.1 cable modem, not fiber. My first online experience from the mid 80s was using a 300 baud modem dialing into a BBS. We have come a long way in 35 y ears.
I only have 1g correctly, but I’m glad I stuck to my guns and insisted Cat6A be run throughout my new house. Running UDMP, 24 port POE pro -finished the build last Friday.
Gigabit Pro is actually a very weird product. One one hand, it's crazy expensive for a residential product. On the other hand, it's crazy cheap for what it is. Gigabit Pro is a metro Ethernet product, unlike basically all other residential fiber service, which is usually based on one of the Passive Optical Network (PON) standards. With Gigabit pro, you have Ethernet running over fiber right back to Comcast's network, and you don't share that fiber with anyone else. With a PON-based solution, one fiber is split and serves multiple subscribers. This means that Comcast's Gigabit Pro is substantially more expensive for them to operate, and it's also a higher quality of service than what you get with PON. It has more consistent bandwidth and lower latency. Practically, for a residential customer, the performance difference between MetroE and PON is negligible. You *do* see MetroE in the enterprise space a lot. $299/mo for 2Gbps symmetric MetroE is *insanely* low priced in the enterprise space. Why Comcast sells basically an enterprise-grade service for $299/mo to residential customers I have no idea. It may just be for marketing. At $299/mo, they *probably* make money on it eventually, but I don't think it's a slam dunk even at that price. Switch ports aren't free, fiber isn't free, and frankly Comcast doesn't have the switch capacity to serve more than a handful of customers with Gigabit Pro.
Where on Comcast's website did you find that clear table of prices and speeds. I've never been able to find them admitting to how low the upload speeds were on their website.
I recently moved to 200/200 with fios and it was pretty nice. Got a taste of gigabit during their pandemic promotion but to be honest I don’t notice a difference day to day.
In reality, you probably don't need to upgrade the network, if you segment it properly. Highest bandwidth draw would probably be your editor, and unless he's using the university's internet, I'd say he's probably capped under 1Gbps download. You can still utilize the 2GiG service without upgrading, assuming the Juniper is capable of multiple 1Gbps dedicated connections. Of course in your situation, you'll probably upgrade the network anyway, but just so folks understand: You could hook up a wifi 6 router and a PC, both wired into the Juniper, and run two simultaneous speed tests, and you should be able to pull ~1Gbps on an iPhone 11 Pro and the editing PC *at the same time*
Hi, I rarely comment but this time wanted to give you a bit of advice from practice as I value your reasonable way of thinking and the way you run this show. .First of all ..UDM Pro, great choice. Yes, you can easily migrate from UDM. Before you will buy this 2.5Gb switches, use your 10Gb UDM port and juniper between your rooms to check the wire. In 99% scenarios, 10Gb works fine within 50-100feet range on Cat5e. Avoid this 2.5 substandard unless you sure 10Gb won't work or you need to do it for commercial purposes. Last but not least the best feature of UniFi is managing unification. That is why the best way is to keep all switches the same. I'm not saying it's bad to buy very cheap small 10Gb switch from Mikrotik, while waiting for a price drop but in my opinion, it would be the only exception. That is it...Keep up good work and I am happy you will finally get the internet you deserve. I personally love my Fios Gigabit and losing breath when leaving home and seeing bars of LTE dropping on the phone. At first I wanted to shame 2Gb decision over 1Gb but then I noticed 1Gb/35Mb DL/UL ratio. I understand Cable has to be unsynchronous but they should offer 1GB/100Mb at least... so shame Comcast
Lon solid idea, I have one suggestion. Do not buy the Aqantia 5gb adapters for the editing rig. Both windows and Mac do not like the current drivers. I have about 8 of the Asus XG-C100C models that use the same NIC and cannot get the original throughput. Sometimes they out right drop connection and I have to reinstall drivers until they work again. I would suggest getting the Intel X550-2 card instead. Its always on eBay for about $150-250. You can also use the second slot for direct 10gb connection to any other machine or teaming/trunking. Totally worth the money for no headaches. Good luck!
Lon, would you like to consider getting pfsense router? You could build one using a computer which has 10gig ports or you can buy appliances made by Netgate. Netgate SG7100 May work best for you. Not only will this allow you to utilise the 2 gig connection, you will also be able to manage your firewall more powerfully.
He Lon.. you should really get a super micro xenon D setup with 10g ports using lag.. and throw pfense on there.. it really is super.. i love it and not going back to any other router... also be sure to use a 10g smart switch and unify AP with it..
Lon, I’m super close to getting Gigabyte Ethernet also. Windstream is running fiber optic and their flags are down the block from my house. They have to run it underground in our development, so it’s taking a bit longer than I hoped. I talked to the rep and they said it should be within a month.
Wow. I work in enterprise support for a competitor. We only put those Junipers in big customers, where they need a lot of ports. They are stupid expensive. I bet they don't do that anymore. You probably end up with an Adva FSP-150 Ge116 pro.
Are you planning on setting up at least two VLANs? Reason for this is to segregate the home and studio/professional network. You can then look into QoS and stuff like that.
Take a look at the Unifi XG, it's their 10Gb line of products. They aren't on the cheap side of the equation, just hoping they expand the line with less expensive switches and APs
I happen to have Fios and Comcast. I Started on Fios, went to Comcast for a few years and as my needs grew to having my own server, router uploading videos I hit a bottleneck with Comcast good for downloads ,horrible for uploads. Fios upped the game and offered equal down/up service. Now, I'm not up to gigabit needs, but, I was uploading enough that Comcast was killing me. A 4 hour upload was cut to 20 minutes!
I do wish I could get gigabit where I am now, but it looks like where I'm moving to might have it available. Hopefully I'll be able to upgrade my LAN to have some 10G segments at some point.
Before you go upgrading your local network, I would be testing real-world speeds over the connection from the Juniper before sinking money into bigger pipelines locally that you may not even get to saturate once you're past Comcast's network edge, let alone deep into the bowels of the interwebs. Obviously 2Gbps only applies inside Comcast; once you leave their network anything goes. If the routers and data lines to your most important real-world destinations can't provide bandwidth above your local network bottleneck, there's no point in upgrading locally, well unless local transfer speeds are that important to you to justify the cost. Regarding the cat5e up to 2.5-5Gbps, that's going to be dependent on the cable run lengths and how well they were installed. I assume they at least used solid cable. But if they used high quality cables or not, how low the crosstalk is, if they observed bend radii, If they're shielded or how close to potential EMI sources they are, who knows. But at least you can test this out point to point with the thunderbolt adapters you mentioned.
Since one of his upload targets is Google (TH-cam) he will most likely be able to benefit from 2G upload. Google has been able to handle all the bandwidth I've been able to throw at it (rclone to Gsuite) and I have 10G/10G service.
We went to upgrade on Verizon fios (Fios is Moca compatible) to 1 gig, turns out your modem(actually router) needs to be next to the box they install, (The box is identified as the ONT) unfortunately the box I as I mentioned in the basement, and the router was in my study. I had told them that and they said, "No Problem"... "We'll send you a self install kit!". No one could/would tell me what the self install kit was. It's a six foot ethernet cable to attach my router on the second floor to the ONT box in the basement. I called tech support (on a weekend..........) and after talking to the person they scheduled a tech to come out to the house. (after triple checking no one in the house was running a fever or had the corona virus). He show s up and I asked him if they had explained the issue to him. All he said was that I had an issue with my cable and they sent him out. So finally after talking to him and finding out the above information about how the hook up works, I was told I could rent another wireless router (Moca) for the upstairs and move the router downstairs to the basement, Oooor drill holes in my house myself to run ethernet from the ONT in the basement to my study upstairs. (in all fairness he said he could hook me up with 100 feet of ethernet so I could do it myself). Nice guy very informative. I said thanks but I'm canceling my order, they should have told me this when they offered me the package. Any ways... to make a long story longer, I could buy a Moca compatible wireless extender for upstairs with ethernet out, move my router downstairs into the basement and wire it in, so I might still do that. But we had fios installed like 10 years ago, most of the stuff running from the pole to the house should be replaced as well as the antique ONT in my basement. But I guess they don't care once it's installed. Still, I listen to Lon's xfinity issues and... well .. I don't feel so bad. ;)
No poe+ ports on the udm pro...so You would need to use injectors or poe switch if u need that feature for poe cameras...ubiquiti is coming out with gimicky augmented reality feature though with all of there gen 2 equipment.. That may be worth investing in ubiquiti eco system.
If you're successful in your quest, aren't you pushing the bottleneck over to your editor Jake? Unless he also has this high upload bandwidth. Doesn't he have to upload the finished files, which are still pretty large, to the various platforms after editing?
Why 4K?? Your fans watching at home, even if they have a 4K television for watching TH-cam, could still be dealing with the Comcast data limits. Watching a 4K video of your reviews won't add anything important over a 1080p image will it? Your bookshelf behind you may be clearer, or we may be able to see thread designs on your shirts easier. For those of us that download a lot of content and hit, or get close to hitting, the Comcast limit each month, LonTV may end up being removed from my subscription list just in case. :( I get that broadcasting in 4K is cool. A coolness factor is always a part of making decisions in my life too. But I think 4K videos of reviewing products may be one of those things that you're doing because you can but will have unintended consequences for your fans. Maybe make a few, see what it does, and then go back to 1080 or 720?
The new bandwidth will be handy for uploading. But all the peripheral stuff and the enthusiasm you have for it may migrate your channel presentations to gear and subjects that leave your usual subscribers far behind. This is really all just niche stuff, like your retro gaming gear. But hey, you won't know until you try it.
Just 1 Gigabit? In Zurich we get 10GBit symmetric (!), including TV, for just 39,99CHF (42,54US$). And yes, the fiber router has an true 10Gbit Ethernet port....
Interesting the giant jump in upload speed from Gigabit to Gigabit Pro both in speed and in cost. I have AT&T Fiber 1 gig up and down nominal but actually I find that upload often more like 1 gig and download somewhat less I guess due to neighborhood usage but still very fast. I work now from home using VPN with pretty intensive AutoCAD usage and almost like "being there". As usual Comcast jabbing users..And at least for now AT&T includes HBO MAX with the AT&T 1000 Internet plan. Other than "testing servers" I cant imagine any real servers giving anyone two gigabits of bandwidth..but Lon I hope you prove me wrong I know you are struggling with bandwidth.
Comcast's service is Metro Ethernet whereas AT&T and most other providers which are typically PON. Metro Ethernet is a much more expensive service to operate and $300 is actually a steal for that 2G/2G over such a connection. The benefit that Metro Ethernet provides is that it's a dedicated line all the way back to Comcast, you're not sharing bandwidth with anyone vs PON which is shared.
For 2 gigabits, you are paying $299/mth? This is insanely expensive!!! Fwiw, i live in France and my ISP is named Free. I pay 40 euros par months for 2.5 gigabits up and 2 gigabits down. This also includes other services (phone, cell phone, OTP box and more). Price in France are cheap because of the intense competition between the 4 fibre providers (Orange, SFR, Bouygues and Free).
It's because it's Metro Ethernet, what you're getting in France I would bet $100 is a PON connection which is a shared fiber connection between you and however many other people are on your local OLT. Metro Ethernet is an enterprise service and is a dedicated line with only your traffic on it piped directly to Comcast, and in the enterprise space only $300 for such a service is a steal. One of my father's old employers (not mentioned for privacy) would not have believed it if you told them you could get a 2G/2G Metro Ethernet connection for $300. The price has nothing to do with competition and everything to do with the expense of offering the service. I live in an area with at least 3 fiber providers, Comcast's Gigabit Pro being one of them. They still charge $300 here as they do everywhere else.
You won't get it.......I had to wait 5 1/2 years. I had to pay 10k, I stripped and treated my own telephone poles. But it's only 40 bucks a month for 2.5gb down 1 gb up. From a mom and pop ISP here.
Great job listing how you’ll connect it all to the new devices,much appreciated. Keep up the great videos.
I know this is an old video and probably doesn’t apply anymore but wanted to throw my 2 cents in anyway. I’m the IT Director at the company I work for and have been in IT for nearly 20 years. Our office building had a renovation back in the late 90’s and our building is wired using CAT 5 (not 5E) cables with a manufacture date code of 1997. The patch panels are also CAT 5 (not 5E). Some of the runs are well over 200 feet as it is a 2 story building. I’ve been able to I auto negotiate at 10 gigabit in Windows 10/11 & Windows Server 2019 as well as push near 10 gigabit speed on tools such as iperf3 with no packet loss. I’ve also used Fluke testing equipment to analyze and it also can push 10 gigabits over our longest runs with no packet loss. This is all using the A wiring standard, not the typical B most people use. So, we’ve decided to keep everything in place. Your CAT 5E should be perfectly fine as long as it isn’t CCA and is solid copper from a reputable manufacturer.
I moved and got Gigabit fiber with CenturyLink, only $65/mo I love it!!
I moved a couple years ago, and got 4mbps CenturyLink. I hated it!
TechRealm yea if it wasn’t gig I would of just went with Comcast, was avoiding Comcast if I could and it’s working out well
theres a reason many call them centurystink.
Lon if you want to stay in the Unifi eco system check out the Unifi XG-6POE. 6 ports 1, 2.5, 5 and 10 GB ports. 4 Ethernet and 2 sfp+
In a very similar situation with my setup ATM. Looking forward to seeing the update video!
Mikrotik make some affordable 10Gbit switches. There is the MikroTik CRS305-1G-4S+IN which is a 4-port SFP+ switch for about $140 on Amazon. Also have an 8-port SFP+ switch (CRS309-1G-8S+IN) for about $240. Though the switches are complicated to setup if you use RouterOS. These switches also support SwitchOS which is much simpler to use.
I hope that everything goes well and you get to experience really fast internet upload speed Lon!
Keep up the good work!
Pfsense is extraordinarily low maintenance. It also receives regular updates. I have it running on a 1u Lenovo thinkserver and it's pretty much set it and forget it. Burn the image to a thumb drive it's up and running in less than 5 minutes. I have it paired with a tplink switch with 4 SFP+ ports and it handles 10gig with ease.
No worries though. Pfsense will be here whenever you outgrow unifi.
I am pretty happy with my pfSense box and it's perks like Snort, openVPN, ... (800/800 mbps FTTH)
Watching you transitioning to 4K would feel like the analogue TV shutdown. 🤣
Let's hope Comcast finally delivers on their promise!
LAN party at Lon’s!!!
I just ordered a Unifi Dream Machine Pro yesterday. Most suppliers are out of stock, we'll see if mine actually ships...
Looking forward to more about your 2.5GbS and 10GbS stuff.
I think SFP is 1gig then SFP+ is 10gig. Is the netgear switch SFP+? Next upgrade will be wifi6.
I just upgraded to the Xfinity Gigabit from a 250Mbps plan a month ago. Using their new XB7 gateway in bridge mode connected to the 2.5Gb port with my Netgear RAX120 multi-gig port (skipped the Dream Machine for the RAX120 specifically for the multi-gig WAN and link Aggregation LAN) I’m pulling 1.2Gbps on average down with 47Mbps up, they over-provision! I’m using the XB7 gateway because they bundle the rental fee and removal of the data cap for $25/month. If I find a multi-gig modem they’ll support without issue I might ditch it, but I’ve found I breach the normal 1TB cap sometimes. I live in a mixed zone area with a business across the street and they’re running the 2Gig pro. Spoke to one of their techs in the area a week ago and found out that if I wanted it, I could get the 2 gig line. I’d have no need for that but it’s nice to know if I want it it’s there. I’d love it if they just offered symmetrical 1 Gig.
I'd try to go with 10gig everything mainly for intranet use cases. Like NAS access, virtual machines, multiple machines running network tasks. For the upstairs computer you can get the Mikrotek CRS305-1G-4S+IN for $130 or the CRS309-1G-8S+IN for about $250 when it's in stock. It uses SFP+ but you can get SFP+ nics dirt cheap off of ebay. Also for your devices like laptops that don't have a 10gig port you can get a transceiver for the switch so you can just run straight ethernet off the switch. The best part about doing this is you're less likely to want to upgrade sooner so you have the potential to save money overall.
Thanks for the info on the Qnap switch! Upgrading my PC mobo to one that has 2.5gbps and was planning on adding a 2.5gbps card to my Freenas server. Should work well! Just wish I could get more than 10mbps - 20mbps upload using Charter as my ISP. It sucks ISPs dont care about upload speeds...
You Poor, Poor, optimist. :-) May this be the one. :-)
I am most definitely jinxing myself now :)
Great video and interesting project.
The GoCoax MOCA adapters with their 2.5Gbps "trunk" sound ideal for your new setup and internet connection. If only they had added a 2.5gbps port on the darn thing! ^^
I recently upgraded from 100/10 Mbps/ to Gigabit/50 Mbps for $75/month. It's a DOCSIS 3.1 cable modem, not fiber. My first online experience from the mid 80s was using a 300 baud modem dialing into a BBS. We have come a long way in 35 y ears.
I only have 1g correctly, but I’m glad I stuck to my guns and insisted Cat6A be run throughout my new house. Running UDMP, 24 port POE pro -finished the build last Friday.
And I used to be thrilled to have a 300 Baud dial-up connection to the school computer.
Gigabit Pro is actually a very weird product.
One one hand, it's crazy expensive for a residential product.
On the other hand, it's crazy cheap for what it is.
Gigabit Pro is a metro Ethernet product, unlike basically all other residential fiber service, which is usually based on one of the Passive Optical Network (PON) standards.
With Gigabit pro, you have Ethernet running over fiber right back to Comcast's network, and you don't share that fiber with anyone else. With a PON-based solution, one fiber is split and serves multiple subscribers.
This means that Comcast's Gigabit Pro is substantially more expensive for them to operate, and it's also a higher quality of service than what you get with PON. It has more consistent bandwidth and lower latency.
Practically, for a residential customer, the performance difference between MetroE and PON is negligible.
You *do* see MetroE in the enterprise space a lot. $299/mo for 2Gbps symmetric MetroE is *insanely* low priced in the enterprise space.
Why Comcast sells basically an enterprise-grade service for $299/mo to residential customers I have no idea. It may just be for marketing. At $299/mo, they *probably* make money on it eventually, but I don't think it's a slam dunk even at that price. Switch ports aren't free, fiber isn't free, and frankly Comcast doesn't have the switch capacity to serve more than a handful of customers with Gigabit Pro.
You really think you don't share bandwith with others on their metro ethernet network?
Yes please! 4K please!
Where on Comcast's website did you find that clear table of prices and speeds. I've never been able to find them admitting to how low the upload speeds were on their website.
I recently moved to 200/200 with fios and it was pretty nice. Got a taste of gigabit during their pandemic promotion but to be honest I don’t notice a difference day to day.
In reality, you probably don't need to upgrade the network, if you segment it properly. Highest bandwidth draw would probably be your editor, and unless he's using the university's internet, I'd say he's probably capped under 1Gbps download. You can still utilize the 2GiG service without upgrading, assuming the Juniper is capable of multiple 1Gbps dedicated connections. Of course in your situation, you'll probably upgrade the network anyway, but just so folks understand: You could hook up a wifi 6 router and a PC, both wired into the Juniper, and run two simultaneous speed tests, and you should be able to pull ~1Gbps on an iPhone 11 Pro and the editing PC *at the same time*
Sounds exciting!
Hi, I rarely comment but this time wanted to give you a bit of advice from practice as I value your reasonable way of thinking and the way you run this show. .First of all ..UDM Pro, great choice. Yes, you can easily migrate from UDM. Before you will buy this 2.5Gb switches, use your 10Gb UDM port and juniper between your rooms to check the wire. In 99% scenarios, 10Gb works fine within 50-100feet range on Cat5e. Avoid this 2.5 substandard unless you sure 10Gb won't work or you need to do it for commercial purposes. Last but not least the best feature of UniFi is managing unification. That is why the best way is to keep all switches the same. I'm not saying it's bad to buy very cheap small 10Gb switch from Mikrotik, while waiting for a price drop but in my opinion, it would be the only exception. That is it...Keep up good work and I am happy you will finally get the internet you deserve. I personally love my Fios Gigabit and losing breath when leaving home and seeing bars of LTE dropping on the phone. At first I wanted to shame 2Gb decision over 1Gb but then I noticed 1Gb/35Mb DL/UL ratio. I understand Cable has to be unsynchronous but they should offer 1GB/100Mb at least... so shame Comcast
Lon solid idea, I have one suggestion. Do not buy the Aqantia 5gb adapters for the editing rig. Both windows and Mac do not like the current drivers. I have about 8 of the Asus XG-C100C models that use the same NIC and cannot get the original throughput. Sometimes they out right drop connection and I have to reinstall drivers until they work again. I would suggest getting the Intel X550-2 card instead. Its always on eBay for about $150-250. You can also use the second slot for direct 10gb connection to any other machine or teaming/trunking. Totally worth the money for no headaches. Good luck!
Lon, would you like to consider getting pfsense router? You could build one using a computer which has 10gig ports or you can buy appliances made by Netgate. Netgate SG7100 May work best for you. Not only will this allow you to utilise the 2 gig connection, you will also be able to manage your firewall more powerfully.
Just beware that your cat5e cables need to be really good quality in order to do 2gbps, as well as handle the overhead.
Go Lon go !!
He Lon.. you should really get a super micro xenon D setup with 10g ports using lag.. and throw pfense on there.. it really is super.. i love it and not going back to any other router... also be sure to use a 10g smart switch and unify AP with it..
"hey everybody is lying Simon" (auto-generated subtitles) :D
Lon, I’m super close to getting Gigabyte Ethernet also. Windstream is running fiber optic and their flags are down the block from my house. They have to run it underground in our development, so it’s taking a bit longer than I hoped. I talked to the rep and they said it should be within a month.
Wow. I work in enterprise support for a competitor. We only put those Junipers in big customers, where they need a lot of ports. They are stupid expensive. I bet they don't do that anymore. You probably end up with an Adva FSP-150 Ge116 pro.
Are you planning on setting up at least two VLANs? Reason for this is to segregate the home and studio/professional network. You can then look into QoS and stuff like that.
Take a look at the Unifi XG, it's their 10Gb line of products. They aren't on the cheap side of the equation, just hoping they expand the line with less expensive switches and APs
It's going to get the job done
Worth looking at Twinax cables to connect your router to the switch. Can be a lot cheaper.
I happen to have Fios and Comcast. I Started on Fios, went to Comcast for a few years and as my needs grew to having my own server, router uploading videos I hit a bottleneck with Comcast good for downloads ,horrible for uploads. Fios upped the game and offered equal down/up service. Now, I'm not up to gigabit needs, but, I was uploading enough that Comcast was killing me. A 4 hour upload was cut to 20 minutes!
Live Streaming should be able 4k Now Right?
I do wish I could get gigabit where I am now, but it looks like where I'm moving to might have it available. Hopefully I'll be able to upgrade my LAN to have some 10G segments at some point.
look at mikrotik stuff, great value for the price, or pay a bit more for UniFi switches.
I'm skeptical about whether it's symmetric, or 2Gb/s. The text says "up to"... beware of the marketing! Also, "SFP" for small form pluggable module.
Gigabit Pro is a dedicated fiber line all the way back to the CMTS. It's dedicated bandwidth from his home to the headend.
Just use the Ubiquiti Edge Router line and mix it with the UniFi line.
How massive is the network on your house?
Before you go upgrading your local network, I would be testing real-world speeds over the connection from the Juniper before sinking money into bigger pipelines locally that you may not even get to saturate once you're past Comcast's network edge, let alone deep into the bowels of the interwebs. Obviously 2Gbps only applies inside Comcast; once you leave their network anything goes. If the routers and data lines to your most important real-world destinations can't provide bandwidth above your local network bottleneck, there's no point in upgrading locally, well unless local transfer speeds are that important to you to justify the cost.
Regarding the cat5e up to 2.5-5Gbps, that's going to be dependent on the cable run lengths and how well they were installed. I assume they at least used solid cable. But if they used high quality cables or not, how low the crosstalk is, if they observed bend radii, If they're shielded or how close to potential EMI sources they are, who knows. But at least you can test this out point to point with the thunderbolt adapters you mentioned.
Since one of his upload targets is Google (TH-cam) he will most likely be able to benefit from 2G upload. Google has been able to handle all the bandwidth I've been able to throw at it (rclone to Gsuite) and I have 10G/10G service.
Can you please do a review about the spectre x360 15inch 2020
We went to upgrade on Verizon fios (Fios is Moca compatible) to 1 gig, turns out your modem(actually router) needs to be next to the box they install, (The box is identified as the ONT) unfortunately the box I as I mentioned in the basement, and the router was in my study. I had told them that and they said, "No Problem"... "We'll send you a self install kit!". No one could/would tell me what the self install kit was. It's a six foot ethernet cable to attach my router on the second floor to the ONT box in the basement. I called tech support (on a weekend..........) and after talking to the person they scheduled a tech to come out to the house. (after triple checking no one in the house was running a fever or had the corona virus). He show s up and I asked him if they had explained the issue to him. All he said was that I had an issue with my cable and they sent him out. So finally after talking to him and finding out the above information about how the hook up works, I was told I could rent another wireless router (Moca) for the upstairs and move the router downstairs to the basement, Oooor drill holes in my house myself to run ethernet from the ONT in the basement to my study upstairs. (in all fairness he said he could hook me up with 100 feet of ethernet so I could do it myself). Nice guy very informative. I said thanks but I'm canceling my order, they should have told me this when they offered me the package. Any ways... to make a long story longer, I could buy a Moca compatible wireless extender for upstairs with ethernet out, move my router downstairs into the basement and wire it in, so I might still do that. But we had fios installed like 10 years ago, most of the stuff running from the pole to the house should be replaced as well as the antique ONT in my basement. But I guess they don't care once it's installed. Still, I listen to Lon's xfinity issues and... well .. I don't feel so bad. ;)
No poe+ ports on the udm pro...so You would need to use injectors or poe switch if u need that feature for poe cameras...ubiquiti is coming out with gimicky augmented reality feature though with all of there gen 2 equipment.. That may be worth investing in ubiquiti eco system.
Usb 3.0 can up to 5gigabit that why you should get an higher usb Ethernet adapter. Like 3gb or higher
5 gigabit is maximum bandwith of usb bus, most likely shared between other devices.
I would honestly prefer watching 1080p60 over 4K30. TH-cam's compression really does a number on 4K, negating most of the benefit.
Iirc TH-cam actually allocates more bandwidth to 1080@60 vs 2160@30.
That juniper is expensive. What is the rent on that?
good morning
I got a second gigabit option now to my house recently due to infostructure upgraded due to the pandemic. Hopefully prices come down .
If you're successful in your quest, aren't you pushing the bottleneck over to your editor Jake? Unless he also has this high upload bandwidth. Doesn't he have to upload the finished files, which are still pretty large, to the various platforms after editing?
Why 4K?? Your fans watching at home, even if they have a 4K television for watching TH-cam, could still be dealing with the Comcast data limits. Watching a 4K video of your reviews won't add anything important over a 1080p image will it? Your bookshelf behind you may be clearer, or we may be able to see thread designs on your shirts easier. For those of us that download a lot of content and hit, or get close to hitting, the Comcast limit each month, LonTV may end up being removed from my subscription list just in case. :(
I get that broadcasting in 4K is cool. A coolness factor is always a part of making decisions in my life too. But I think 4K videos of reviewing products may be one of those things that you're doing because you can but will have unintended consequences for your fans.
Maybe make a few, see what it does, and then go back to 1080 or 720?
What is a normal price for 1000/1000 Mbit/s in USA? Here in Sweden Gothenburg we pay about 70 usd/month!
The average price for 1G/1G fiber here is ~$65 per month.
On average, $70 USD is about the same here in the USA for fiber providers.
Hi Lon, so what happened to GoNetSpeed, you sounded hopeful a few weeks back that they might come through for you... a no go?
Lon, Any chance of buying the dream machine from you?
Use the existing wiring to pull new CAT6.
unless it's stapled down like mine...
The new bandwidth will be handy for uploading. But all the peripheral stuff and the enthusiasm you have for it may migrate your channel presentations to gear and subjects that leave your usual subscribers far behind. This is really all just niche stuff, like your retro gaming gear. But hey, you won't know until you try it.
above 1gb you need M.2 drives with some spendy switches.
yikes, $3600 a year, it better be worth it! That doesn't even include taxes
And that’s an intro price.
@@CantankerousDave $299 is THE price for Gigabit Pro, not an intro price. $20 is added for the equipment rental.
10gbase-t card are still pricey :O I got two 10 gig SFP+ cards for $20 a piece from mellanox.
Just 1 Gigabit? In Zurich we get 10GBit symmetric (!), including TV, for just 39,99CHF (42,54US$). And yes, the fiber router has an true 10Gbit Ethernet port....
Last time I looked into it Salt's 10G fiber is super geographically limited though.
Interesting the giant jump in upload speed from Gigabit to Gigabit Pro both in speed and in cost. I have AT&T Fiber 1 gig up and down nominal but actually I find that upload often more like 1 gig and download somewhat less I guess due to neighborhood usage but still very fast. I work now from home using VPN with pretty intensive AutoCAD usage and almost like "being there". As usual Comcast jabbing users..And at least for now AT&T includes HBO MAX with the AT&T 1000 Internet plan. Other than "testing servers" I cant imagine any real servers giving anyone two gigabits of bandwidth..but Lon I hope you prove me wrong I know you are struggling with bandwidth.
Comcast's service is Metro Ethernet whereas AT&T and most other providers which are typically PON. Metro Ethernet is a much more expensive service to operate and $300 is actually a steal for that 2G/2G over such a connection. The benefit that Metro Ethernet provides is that it's a dedicated line all the way back to Comcast, you're not sharing bandwidth with anyone vs PON which is shared.
@@antikommunistischaktion Thanks for the information and explanation. $300 though..ouch!
Are we taking bets?
I was spoiled with Google GB up & down for $70/mo
The $300/mo is the *introductory* price. I bet it doubles after that period ends.
there is no contract or promotion for gigabit pro. That's the final price.
What are your thoughts on h.266 codecs?
lon, data caps?
Comcast's Gigabit Pro service is cap free.
For 2 gigabits, you are paying $299/mth? This is insanely expensive!!!
Fwiw, i live in France and my ISP is named Free. I pay 40 euros par months for 2.5 gigabits up and 2 gigabits down. This also includes other services (phone, cell phone, OTP box and more).
Price in France are cheap because of the intense competition between the 4 fibre providers (Orange, SFR, Bouygues and Free).
Yep... we pay a high price for a lack of a competitive marketplace
It's because it's Metro Ethernet, what you're getting in France I would bet $100 is a PON connection which is a shared fiber connection between you and however many other people are on your local OLT. Metro Ethernet is an enterprise service and is a dedicated line with only your traffic on it piped directly to Comcast, and in the enterprise space only $300 for such a service is a steal. One of my father's old employers (not mentioned for privacy) would not have believed it if you told them you could get a 2G/2G Metro Ethernet connection for $300.
The price has nothing to do with competition and everything to do with the expense of offering the service. I live in an area with at least 3 fiber providers, Comcast's Gigabit Pro being one of them. They still charge $300 here as they do everywhere else.
Comcast will overcharge you for a slow connection.. Spectrum offers 200 Mbs for low price.
You won't get it.......I had to wait 5 1/2 years. I had to pay 10k, I stripped and treated my own telephone poles. But it's only 40 bucks a month for 2.5gb down 1 gb up. From a mom and pop ISP here.
check out ubiquiti switches the 5 port net gear switch you have is over priced for just f ports
You do know its cap at 1 terabyte a month.
Gigabit pro has no caps
i wish i had 100Mbps , i am having 70Mbps at most
Awwww.... How cute...you're finally getting Gigabit. Your just overkilling much bigger content creators don't even need that much.
Are you selling your dum?
Sorry typo I meant UDM