Repairing ANOTHER Atari 1973 Atari PONG Arcade Game - What a Legend!
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The first time I saw a PONG game was at Shakey’s Pizza in Charlotte - my brother and I played it, as a kid I was simply blown away. We later got an Atari 2600 for Christmas, that was some good times!
I didn't realize there was a Shakey's in Charlotte, I just looked it all up pretty cool. I think i've been in both those buildings, but years after they had been changed to something else and didn't realize they used to be sweet pizza places.
This game, Death Race and Computer Space were the first 3 video games I ever saw back in the mid-70's. The fact that the only video games around then were the old style mechanical projection ones, these were revolutionary.
Yeah I'll bet it was mind blowing seeing something on a t.v. screen for the first time, I can imagine it for sure!
In 1977 we had a Pong machine in the electronics lab of my high school. It was set up for nickles and there was a line of students to play it before and after class. FYI, I went to Homestead High school in Cupertino. It was ground zero in Silicon Valley. Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak both went to Homestead about 10 years earlier. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a Nolan Bushnell connection given the presence of the pong machine. Everybody knew everybody in those days.
This channel is solid gold. Thanks for all the great content! So glad that someone who really knows what they are doing is helping to preserve these games!!!
Thanks for watching Mechanical Animal we appreciate it!
“Kids who are interested in this old tech”. We’re you intentionally talking to me 😆
I was!
Well done! what a score. great looking cabinet. For those of us who were around at the time, this brings me awash with a sense of history.
Thank you for watching Anton, we appreciate it as always!
Excellent Pong cab.
Thanks for watching King William!
Congrats on getting the video on this game working nicely.
Absolutely love pong with a passion,retro cool,and the cabinet is pure heaven !! Very simple but catching ;) x thanks Ron x
Thank you for watching Hope we appreciate it! See you on the next video :)
Great work so far getting it working again.
Looking forward to the next one.
Coming soon 😀
If ever there was an addiction to video games, this is where it started.
Yup. The first addictive arcade game, but there were pinball machines before this and EM machines and ... well hell people have always found ways to entertain themselves for a coin :) Thanks for watching Ginkum!
@@LyonsArcade Heck, Pong itself was a rip-off of the table tennis games Ralph Baer created. That table tennis game was built into the original Odyssey game console. (I never had the original Odyssey but my parents did buy me an Odyssey 2 circa 1980. I got an Atari 2600 later. Between the two consoles, I preferred the Odyssey 2 to be honest. I also liked KC Munchkin much better than the Atari 2600 port of Pac-Man! Back in those days, the best Atari machine to own to play videogames were the Atari 400/800 computers. I was never a huge fan of the Atari 2600. Even as a kid, I could tell the 2600 was FAR INFERIOR to both the 400/800 computers and especially the arcade systems!)
Atari later paid license fees on the patents of the tech Baer developed for Magnavox to avoid a major lawsuit. This was the wild west years of videogames and there were a lot of legal grey areas and people "borrowed ideas" from each other. (The definition of legal grey area -- "we haven't sued and bullied enough people yet to get our way!") Heck, half the IP defenses and lawsuit crap gaming companies like to play on each other came later with Nintendo. For many years, the successors to Atari loved to sue other companies and claimed they were infringing on Atari's legacy patents! They made more money from lawsuits in the 1990s than selling videogames! It was funny to read that considering how Atari began and the behind the scenes history of Pong! LOL
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To be honest, I never liked Pong all that much. I always found it boring but I was never a table tennis fanatic, either. I do like Breakout (preferring Super Breakout more) and that's obviously a Pong spin-off.
Ralph Baer really is a name that should be better known but let's face it Nolan Bushnell was a better showman! Baer wasn't known for being an innovator in game design, either!
Atari had the best game designers (for arcade games) back in the late 1970s and early 1980s. It's a shame what happened to the Atari Corporation after they were bought by Warner Bros. That was the beginning of the end. I think only the Tramiels did a worse job of managing Atari later on.
Even as someone who enjoyed the Atari arcade games when they were brand new and enjoyed playing them in compilations for Sega Saturn and Dreamcast I would NEVER buy a new Atari console now. (That last "Atari console" was vaporware or sold so few copies of itself people wonder if it ever was released! I think only the Polymega is a greater "cryptid console." Neither console seems to exist past prototypes their makers gave to TH-cam shills to promote them.) N
obody seems to know how to market the Atari name now and the companies that have gotten the Atari name have been jokes for the last 25 years. The last good piece of hardware they sold was the Atari Lynx portable but like Sony's PS systems it wasn't well-supported. Much better hardware for its time than its competitors. A shame... The Atari fuji is still a great corporate logo! It's iconic like McDonald's golden arches and Mickey's ears...
I remember seeing this as a kid in Coney Island! It was THE first video game I ever saw and it was pretty cool.
I remember all the games at Carowinds when i was a kid, that was the local place that had everything, I imagine Coney Island had everything up there too!
It goes without saying I love PONG and your video...
It's a great game for sure, thank you man!
Great video. Love it. Love the wiring with the tilt switch.
Interesting about that antenna. Here in the UK back in the 70's or 80's someone discovered that some gaming machines could be coined by clicking a peizo cigarette lighter near the coin mech.
That must have been what they were attempting to stop!
Confirmed by Big Clive at 2:45 UvpKOJyGC3g
Educational, interesting, and entertaining. Well done!
Thank you for watching Jose!
that rang a bell, I recall the tale of being able use piezo electric spark creators to get free games late 70's
I’d never heard of it!
Yep, the ones for lighting gas fires!
I used one of these!
it is impressive to see this masterpiece from 1973.
a video game story depends on you.
thanks for the contribution
I like that sentiment!
Pong is actually a fun and simple game. Its underappreciated. Cool Rococop btw!
Enjoyed this,thanks for posting.
Thanks DK 265 I appreciate you watching!
Great video with a legend AND a Pong!
Awww thanks!
Thank you, Sir!
Thank you for watching, Spider!
excellent video as always!
Thanks steamsoldier, we appreciate you watching!
😎😎 cheers for the midweek vid!!
Thanks Cliff see you on the next one!
I've seen this model of monitor in a Quadrapong cocktail table where the newest IC was dated first half of 1974. The machine had only 120 games on it, there was no screen burn and apart from a dead chip in the address generator (which screwed up the picture big time) it was working fine. That monitor had sound built in though. I've also seen this monitor in a Wang PC from 1972 or 73. Damn I love circuit porn. But I only replace capacitors that are bad or likely to fail soon (eg. toasted by hot components surrounding them).
You could create static with a piezo lighter. The earlier machines didn't have that circuitry.
I’m going to have to try one of those lighters!
Wang terminals.... mmmm love the green screen its been decades since i played bowling on 1.
Those old poly-caps are pretty reliable. Replacing them could end up being more trouble than it's worth.
Looks like that monitor was patched in a long time ago. It probably hasn't had sound since the old TV died. I know it doesn't have many sounds, but playing a silent Pong is no fun lol.
Looking forward to a Pong Journey :)
Coming soon :) Someone else was mentioning that he thought these Motorolas were common to put in bronze age games when the t.v. set died...
@@LyonsArcade I think that would be true. Apart from the sound, those motorola monitors have the exact right input on them to act like an older "tv".
Because the sound was so basic, the operators didn't care if they were silent.
Like you, I hate a silent "Pong". Loud and proud is much better lol :)
Well, the phone number belonged to a bedding store by the name of Comforter House. Located in Santa Clara, CA, now permanently closed according to Big G.
As for the game, wow! I thought I was looking through the time machine lens, that thing looks brand new! Great stuff, thanks for giving us a peek into the past!
Thanks for watching Rod Man, I wonder if that’s where they had it operating?
Lovely work. Screen looks good. "Was working honest!"... wonder how often you hear this.
Often lol. We know better though and pay accordingly 😀
Good job ron love your work, we never had any pongs over here back in the day, only the ones you could buy and connect to the tv 👍
That was such an early one I don't think they were able to distribute them all that well overseas yet... Thanks for watching!
Yeah, I never saw one of these in person but I have played the home version once.
Thank you lads. your videos are so amazing . I hope Luke was happy with the results :) im not us( sweden) but it would be nice where that phone number leads two :)
Thanks Peter, that's nice of you to say....
Man I feel so old. I remember them. I was a teenager,
Thus the gaming industry was born when this game came out.
And what a long strange trip it's been!
Pong- such a classic game!
It sure is!
I played Pong before, haven't seen one of those arcades but it looks interesting! :)
It's got a cool look to it , and pretty fun :)
The 'wierd connector' looks very much like an old Molex one. I used to work for a telecomms company that still built some old control equipment that used the same. They went obsolete and I believe our company bought the tooling to continue ordering the connectors.
That big green one you can still buy believe it or not, they use them on other stuff I think, I guess anything with a card edge connector on it could use that style... I like Molex stuff but it seems they always discontinue whatever part I'm looking for and I have to buy some NOS ones from somewhere!
Cool to see the classic Pong machine and part 2. I see that your store has vintage home consoles too. Have you ever come across or fixed a Fairchild Channel F console keeping with an old school 70's theme? I'm fascinated by that one and the story and man behind it, Gerald Lawson.
I have NEVER seen a Fairchild Channel F or anything like it :)
Back in the day we used to zap the machine on the coin slot with what was used to light gas heaters and stoves to get credits
Atari Foiled you :) I never heard that you could do that, I'll have to look into trying it on some of them :) Thanks for watching Jamesnov1970!
Well I know it worked on Missile Command and some pinball machines. Making sure it had contact on the metal, the one I had there was a wire attached which was slipped into the coin slot lol
I've been looking for a Pong for years.
They're kind of hard to track down!
Another good video. Best part: "I am not a PONG expert." Could've fooled me ;) Also: Ha ha! Atari foiled your ass! Keep 'em coming.
Coming soon 😀
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Oh my, thats all it was the knocker leaf and soldering the video wire to get it running? ha. A buddy of mine who owns an arcade told me a buddy of his has a cab that always resets whenever someone wearing nylon jogging pants rubs their leg against the coin door lol so static on the coin door is a thing!
We had a touchscreen game in a bowling alley one time that if you touched the screen it would reset, we eventually figured out it was the static electricity from the carpet, we put a rubber mat under the game and it fixed it.
@@LyonsArcade lol nice, imagine the makers manual? Troubleshooting 1. "If game resets when touched, before checking 5v place a rubber mat infront of the game," ha
I need one of these..
They're kind of tough to track down, but they made a TON of them....
Darn it! I just bought a lawnmower cable oiler and forgot about your link. I'm sure I'll need the cable since i didn't oil it earlier. I'll try and remeber.
No problem Scott, thank you for thinking of it :) See you next time!
Good Arcade
Thank you for watching Wilder!
I was almost sure that the antenna was their way to send the signal to the tv set, you know, screw it on the UHF terminals. I guess the TV set they used was modified to receive audio and video separate. They usually wont have RCA audio/video jack in 1973.
Yeah they had this weird thing they did where they modified the t.v. sets, they had the UHF terminals on the back, and there was a ground wire, a video, and an audio... but inside the UHF terminals had been disconnected and they sent those three lines to three specific places on the chassis... so each t.v. was slightly modded where the input went in since the audio was separate.
From what I can remember in the old days, you could use a piezo lighter mechanism to generate a spark on the coin mech to get free plays, im guessing the antenna got rid of this
I believe you're right!
That is a monster capacitor - the blue one
Yup, you can feel the weight of it :)
Thanks for the video! I always found those fat multi-cap-in-a-can tedious to replace and I wonder how you approached it. I usually cut the leads underneath and re-route the cables to the replacement caps that I place elsewhere on or underneath the frame. I then leave the can in place but disconnected.
I have an Atari Pong that I purchased from its original operator and it also has a Motorola in it. It is the slightly newer model; XM-501. I asked the operator about it and he told me the old TV:s were crap and they often had to replace them. Can't remember if he said they got their Motorola replacement monitors from Atari or elsewhere. These Motorola monitors also have a 5v-supply built in to them and I've seen some bronze age games where the operator(?) has hacked the harness to supply the board with 5v from the monitor instead of the power supply. Guess that was a quick fix when original power supplies or on-board 5v-regulation failed.
A tip if you didn't get to the paddles yet: after replacing the pots, the paddle positions can be calibrated using the pots on the PCB.
I've seen that 5v circuit on them before but never could figure out what they use it for. I do like you said, I removed this can though because I was going to try and rig them up in the same hole but ended up having to mount them at the edge of the board where I could tie them down.... We ran into all kinds of problems with the pots that we end up covering on the next video but we'll see you then, thank you for the information and for watching Kristofer!
The components and design of that PONG board look VERY similar to the Apple I - Maybe Woz based his design on PONG?!
Woz.... later designed breakout I thought he had something to do with pong but he came along later...
Right as you said you replaced all the electrolytic capacitors, that orange thing near where you were pointing to was an old electrolytic :)
Whoops!
That cabinet. Ooh la la
Very cool looking cabinet for sure!
6:48 screen burn in
If you look close in the video, the meter says 015921 so about 4 grand worth of quarters through it, the game probably cost a grand or so, and they probably split the profit in half with the location... so not the money maker it's been made out to be, but this one may have been bought later after the wild rush had died down a little bit...
Hey always love your videos and the store. I live nearby the shop and wanted to know if you repair PCB boards? I have a Track and Field board that works fine but not saving the high scores. Thanks!
We don't do pcb repair (we mainly work on our own games but sometimes do complete machines) but there is a dipswitch to turn on the memory, it's dipswitch 2, switch #5, if it's off it retains memory . If that is on, and it forgets it's high scores at power up. If it's still not saving or that switch is in the right place, you need to replace the battery on the pcb....
he one and only, real one! :D
Yes, Yes it is :)
nice
Thanks, Enzo....
9:33 white mouniter
My first time playing pong.
Was a ping cocktail at pizza hut.
Would like to play pong again on the original cabinet (Bad thing is been playing games ever since pong was released.)
Think of all the quarters you've spent! Thanks for watching troygly!
@@LyonsArcade Yeah, could have retired by now.
Where did you find a gem like this? Very cool to see the ins and outs of a rare game like this👍🏻
A customer bought it and had it shipped to us, I don't know where he got it!
Hey, out of curiosity, (and whilst on the subject of the earliest arcade machines) have you guys ever worked on a Computer Space?
No we haven’t.
...just a tad bit late for that warranty, darn it! That always happens to me too
Yeah it’s a shame I think they design them to break on their own after 46 years...
Check the date on the quarter!
Looks like it's becoming a full restore.
Pretty much
When I tried playing one of these original Pongs, the thing that surprised me is that there is no serve button--no controls at all other than the coin slot and the paddle knobs. Put the coin in and a two-player game starts immediately; all serves are immediate and automatic, and that's it.
Most attempts to simulate/emulate original 1973 Pong actually fudge some of these details, because players now expect more control.
That’s a good point! I have a breakout at my house and by then they had serve buttons...
@@LyonsArcade The Magnavox Odyssey's "table tennis" game that inspired Pong had them, I believe (called "reset buttons" on the unit). There had to be something to start play because there was no coin slot.
RadioShack made a home version pong that you used a TV antenna splitter
"Yet another Pong" sounds so casual when I've never personally seen one in this side of the world, ever D:
It was less of a casual comment and more of a brag :) We fixed another one last year that I thought was the only one we'd see....
No foot dragging on the carpet. Just used a penny. Spin it while feeding it into the slot and it will trip the money switch. Kind of like sideways tiddly winks.
I used to do that! Worked sometimes....
Gotta be one of the coolest looking cabinets ever... Looked like Stanley Kubrick designed it for 2001 use in the movie...
Yeah I think they did a great job on the look, it was probably cutting edge at the time...
@@LyonsArcade I was 1 year old in 73... yeah it was before the Altair home computer kit.... Big time .
Joe classic, You mentioned in the video that the center tap wire on the transformer was disconnected which was causing higher AC voltages? why would it cause higher AC voltages.What are those components that you said to not change because you have ran into problems in the past? those components look like tuning capacitors or tuning coils. Have you tried using an RF signal or static signal to test if the antenna circuit works? I'm guessing its a special type of antenna to only pickup static noise? because if you held a radio near the antenna would this turn off the arcade game?
I'm not an expert but the center tap is basically it's 'ground' without it, the other two voltages will drift one way or the other... but still add up to the total it was supposed to have over both sides, you'll just get one voltage high and one voltage low. If you have the center tap connected it's going to give you the same voltage from center tap to either of the voltage lines, which is how the game was designed.
The components I said not to change were some sort of capacitor, they're not paper or foil I don't think though, so I'm not sure what kind they are, I always leave them because in the past when I swapped them I couldn't get the exact specs in new caps.
I have not tested the antenna circuit, no. I'm not sure if a radio would turn it off, I think it's more to do with static like you mentioned, not actual audible music but voltage in the metal parts of the cabinet.
Thanks for the help. If you turn the portable radio to an in between frequency on an AM/FM station to get static RF noise it would get pickup by the arcades antenna to turn the game off? The old radios had a variable dial to turn the AM/FM radio frequency and can get in between that sounded like RF static noise, not sure if they were thinking kids would do this to trick the coil door coil to turn on/off?The schematics should tell which values those special capacitors are, but I haven't seen capacitors that looks like those. What values does the schematic say those capacitors are? they might be tuning capacitors maybe.
I'm wondering how you will fix the paddles. My 2600 has similar problem
We're going all new man :) See you on the next video!
I know early games like Pong didn't have a microprocessor, but what type of chips did they use? Also, could one use an LCD display?
It sends out composite video so yes you could hook it up to anything that takes a composite video signal. Only thing is the attraction of Pong isn't the gameplay, it's that it's a piece of history, so putting an LCD in it would be like putting chrome rims on a Ford Model T.
@@LyonsArcade Yeah, I guess you're right. The reason I asked was because I don't have a CRT TV anymore and want to build a board.
Great Vid guys. But you might frighten people off by letting on you know what they ordered from Amazon ;-)
I don't in particular know WHO ordered, though... so it's kind of fun since people can order whatever the hell they want, and I can see WHAT was ordered, but i can't see who ordered anything. It's kind of funny.
When is the second Pong video coming out? I want to see what was wrong with the sound and the controllers.........!
We'll have it up Tuesday.
27:18 😂🤣😂🤣😂lmao!
Atari knew what was up
@@LyonsArcade I had to replay that like 5 times lol! 🤣👍Freakin classic!
Have you ever worked on any of the Atari pinball machines they made back in the 1970s? One of those would make for an interesting video!
I'd love to but I've never had one in. I do have some of the gameplan pinball machines (the cocktails) that I'll be doing videos on....
that little orange one is a cap they are trouble caps
I think you're right :)
That squeaking is driving me nuts. I'm guessing that's the fly-back transformer.
Don't let it drive you nuts, quick, turn off the computer!
Wow. Early arcade games were mostly empty space I guess.... you could smuggle like... 2 and a half toddlers in there...
Yup, they're all pretty much like that, even the later ones!
I know this has aboslutely nothing to do with the video, but I agotta ask, So I have a bluetooth speaker that the original input connector is flakey, so I'm trying to adon some wires for another one. Here's my problem, I got the wires sildered and I am getting the 8.31 volts DC, but when I give it power, the green LED light doesn't come on.....Im kinda stumped. If I coul.d make a small video to show what I'm doing maybe you can undrstand.....Thanks man. Thanks for the previous comment to me btw.
what year were the quarters?
None were old apparently it had been cleaned out at some point!
What were the dates on the quarters??
they were just from the past twenty years somebody had already scooped out all the old ones :)
Pong is cool and everything but I'd prefer the Robocop game in the background Data East was one of the best arcade game makers
The Robocop belongs to the same gentleman that owns the Pong!
@@LyonsArcade I'll tell you back in the day when I was a little kid my dad own a laundromat he would purchase his video games directly from a company so I got to go with him and I get to test out all the new video games that I want it wile my dad was purchasing games my favorite was a classic 80s pinballs I got a chance to play Black Knight when it was brand new my father preferred to be the owner instead of having somebody have their games in his laundromat
From the wood age of video gaming.
Yup #2 or so....
Isn't that always the way? Just out of warranty and it breaks down.
They don't make a good warranty anymore, it's only been 47 years and the company went bankrupt 10 years in!
Not even looking at the game... stares at retro Robocop poster 🤣savage
That’s a robocop arcade game behind it!
Ah.see it now. No way deadly.
I think these used off-the-shelf TV models, so that would mean the monitor isn't original.
I think you didn't watch the video lol
This was really cool, but I am very sorry to say, and somewhat ashamed that back in about 1999 I won one of these things at auction for almost nothing.. I could probably fix it today with more experience, but back 20 years ago, I was in over my head.. I tried to find someone to take it off my hands, and found no takers at any price and I ended up taking it to the dump when I moved.. Boy I wish I could have this thing back NOW..
Man that happened a lot it’s surprising as many survived as we have now! I think about 90% of most titles were trashed, I think more pinballs survived because of the legs keeping them out of water....
if theres one cabinet you'd show off in your house it'd be this one woudnt it
So, it's not Joe making the videos? Who are you mystery man? :)
I believe it's Joe's brother Ronnie.
I'm Ron, Joe's Brother!
Where is the wifi hook up?
This one was damaged apparently, it doesn't have one...
It is not the size of the pedal it is how you turn the knobs what’s important
Yup everybody knows that Matt’s is still smaller though
Electrical tape isn't factory? Dang. 😊
Sometimes, just not in this instance, LOL
So...Donnie is your brother or it is just channel name?
That’s my brother!
Machine #69
_Noice._
I see what you did there....
cabinet released in: 1973
Damn, I'm only #19. Lol.
Better late than sorry :)
It's so ugly, it's beautiful!
Second
Yes you were :)