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Why I Left Clickfunnels... And Where I Migrated My Membership Site To...
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 ม.ค. 2017
- This Clickfunnels review shares why I left Clickfunnels, the bugs and CF support issues that caused me to migrate my site away. this is an important video for any potential click funnels customers.
Why I Left Clickfunnels... And Where I Migrated My Membership Site To: www.milesbeckler.com/why-i-lef...
Now my marketing stack consists of Wordpress on Thrive Themes, Thrive Cart, Active Campaign, Active Member 360. I call this the 'DIY Sales Funnel' approach and cover it in depth at www.diysalesfunnel.com
If you want to learn how to setup a funnel in Thrive Themes I created a 10 video series that shows step-by-step how to create a click funnels alternative, which you can find here : • Best DIY ClickFunnels ...
The organization on that playlist is a little rough for those DIY sales funnel videos, so I created a blog post that hosts everything in a easier to follow order www.milesbeckler.com/clickfun...
I mention my membership funnel that is doing really well... This is mainly because of the funnel structure itself (not the software that runs the funnel) If you want to know how that is setup in detail, go here: www.milesbeckler.com/six-figur...
The idea that you are one funnel away… Or that somehow the sales funnel is the big solution that will save you and your business is completely false. Sales funnels can definitely be helpful but they are simply a tool.
There have been dozens of new sales funnels software's released this year and I put up a video to help share an analogy to put this sales funnel gold rush into perspective • ⚠ WARNING ⚠ Avoid This...
Whether you build your funnel on click funnels, lead pages, WordPress, or with basic HTML pages the software is an insignificant component.
Your offer, your messaging, the trust you built with your audience is ultimately the key to your success with your sales funnel.
Want to share this video, here is the link: • Why I Left Clickfunnel...
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Miles, this is a great video. I have been using Thrive Themes for sometime. Apart from it being a great product, the training and support is way above anything that I have seen. They always are working to improving their product and always are listening to their customers so they can have a premium tool that they proud of.
Totally agree
Absolutely LOVE MILES BECKLER.... AMAZING CHAP! THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HONESTY AND ASSISTANCE!
Thank you so much! I'm just starting out and I don't know what I'm doing! I have the 14-day trial at Click Funnels but I'm at day 1. I will continue to look for your videos and watch them! Thanks again!
if you feel like you want an alternative to Clickfunnels I have created a video series that explains how I set up WordPress to do the same thing. All those free videos are on this post www.milesbeckler.com/clickfunnels-alternative
Miles, appreciate your video here. Thanks for cutting through the hype. We also use a wordpress based system. Our community area is built on a protected forum. We actually put all our courses in forums, just embed the video and links and boom, got a course. Its awesome being in TOTAL control of your platform.
We actually tried the all in on the forum at one point, it was a little confusing for our older demographic.... LOL. I know James Schram Co. is very successful with the forum-based product delivery and teaches that to his students.
Nothing like being in total control! :D
Hi Miles, this video has really helped. I also read the article that goes with it at your blog. Thank you for your fantastic review, you covered all the bases. I can't wait to implement your ideas. Many, many, many thanks 🤗
Thanks for sharing this info. Nice to hear a product review that's not an affiliate pitch. I recently retired as a mechanical designer in Canada and moved to Thailand in order to start my next chapter in life. Right now I'm researching the idea of helping small businesses develop conversion optimized single landing page style websites they can use in ad campaigns. Found your TH-cam channel about a week ago and watched probably 50% of your videos already. Thanks for doing a great job, love the info you've been putting out. Two thumbs up!
My pleasure Dean! Sounds like I just missed you in Thailand... Are you in Chiang Mai? If so have you found Johnny's nomad coffee club meetup yet?
This is brilliant.... "helping small businesses develop conversion optimized single landing page style websites they can use in ad campaigns"
I would add a 2nd page to that and maybe a third (One Time Offer and Upsell) but this really is brilliant.
Helping businesses that throw away money on branding based advertising (with no tracking) and focus on direct response marketing with a measurable ROI is a massive opportunity.
Then it leads into all kinds of other potential services you can outsource and sell or bring partners on to fulfill... Copywriting, PPC campaigns, etc.
And with your mechanical engineering background I can only see benefit in organization and structuring of everything... I mean... Why not use CAD to build a funnel? :D
The affiliate pitch is there, just more subtle. When you go to his site for ThriveCart, you get redirected to an affiliate link that costs $595 for that 1 tool as an example.
I have to say that was refreshing! It was impressive that you put out there what "stack" you use to handle your online marketing and sales. I have considered so many from Infusionsoft to Ontraport. I presently signed up for Active Campaign and have a tech guy that I will contact on your suggestions. Thanks again!
Active Campaign an Active Member 360 are working really well together! I'm happy with the stack.
Thank you so much for the great advice! I'm going to thrive now! Love the content!
You will be glad you did! all of my content on how to set up Thrive is here: www.milesbeckler.com/clickfunnels-alternative
LOL I've been WP the whole time, was looking at ClickFunnels but realized with my tech background I didn't need it, still love learning from Russell though!
He is a brilliant marketer, for sure!
Thanks ! Very helpful i m just starting in funnel and have your honest point of view very help
Great to hear... Remember that it is a marathon and a sprint... Build it for the long term and a great funnel can reap rewards for YEARS after it is all dialed in. Worth the effort!!!
Hey Miles, I recently found you after joining a course learning about FB marketing. Thank you for all your vids. They are truly amazing content with great value! Wishing you nothing but the best!
It is my pleasure and I'll keep dropping knowledge bombs as often as possible!
Significant Clickfunnels info, which I understand many people had wished that they knew earlier. Thanks for posting this.
you are welcome
Biggest Unicorn yeah! I’ve had a nightmare with both clickfunnels and Steve Larsen’s Program!
Thanks for all this great content. I've had to build tech stacks before and had been considering Thrive, but was also looking at CF, but even during demos put together by their customers (like Frank Kern) the bugs are apparent. It's tough to build one-size fits all platforms, and I am a huge fan of WordPress already. But this is my first foray into funnels more complex than hubspot vanilla.
You really nailed it that 'it is tough to build one-size fits all platforms' ....Very true! Wordpress offers that flexibility I like to know I can grow and adapt it as needed in the future. You may enjoy this video where I interview the guy who put together the marketing stack I used to get off Clickfunnels: th-cam.com/video/Wrz00t_S1p0/w-d-xo.html
Thanks so much for posting this video! You just helped change the course of my business and saved me a lot of money!
Glad I could be of service!
Sometimes the easy can be too good to be true. I thank you for sharing your experiences in hopes to help us all.
my pleasure… And you are 100% correct if it sounds too good to be true it may be too good to be true
Honestly, this is one of the best videos I've found on this topic. You really got to the nitty gritty. Thank you Miles. (Thanks for the video direct - I cleaned up my comment for privacy reasons) You're awesome!
My friend Dave sets it all up for me. He shows the process in detail in this video th-cam.com/video/8aeepab24_M/w-d-xo.html
@@MilesB Thanks so much :-)
Man, I'm so glad I stumbled across this video. I'm a WordPress girl and have been for years. I've been seeing click funnel everywhere and was going to try it out. Lol, not anymore! You've saved me so much time and money. THANKS TO YOU!!
You are welcome
What is it? I know how to code so I probably will stick with WordPress, but curious as to what it is.
This type of insight is exactly what I was looking for. I'm going to do more research on active member 360
Subscribed! Thanks for laying it out there. I've never been a fan of monthly memberships, but it's great to have a different perspective from all the others talking CF up. I was actually on a webinar where we were told that if we didn't use CF we were not serious about our business. Yeah - that kind of nonsense rubs me the wrong way. Looking forward to more of your videos!
Ouch... That is a very aggressive sales tactic. Glad we've been able to connect here!
Seriously aggressive, and those tactics do NOT work well with someone like me. Keep on doin' what you're doin'! :-)
great video! thanks for sharing! I use Optimizepress and Amember and I'm very happy
Nice!
Hey Miles, appreciate the video, one suggestion though, please do test your website on mobile devices or use Hotjar to track how your site appears to your visitors. Because I've had this problem with one of the landing page building plugin by Thrive called Thive Architect (previously called Thrive Visual Builder) where the site was breaking on mobile devices, images appearing out of elements, DIV etc.
Ya, I'm testing instapages now that has heatmapping built in...
Thank you for the clarity
Wow so grateful for this video... I'm a self-published author and I would like to create online courses and membership site. I tried New Kajabi, Teachable and Thinkific but as you said, I would like more control. I considered LearnDash or Whislist Member plug-in but not sure because I also need to consider what's the best email marketing company to start plus landing pages... I feel tired to be honest, so I can imagine how hard was for you using Click Funnels and then migrate everything. Today I was watching Click Funnels videos and almost buy, and all of the sudden your video showed up... I'm using Avada Theme for my website already.
LearnDash is a cool wordpress based system! Looked at it and it didn't fit my needs but could work well for a course that is more educational...My membership is more like access to lots of stuff, so didn't need the learning side!
Here is a how to series with the theme and how to setup the funnel stuff in wordpress: www.milesbeckler.com/clickfunnels-alternative/
If you want professional help from the guy who helped me brainstorm the right solution for my needs and implement it, reach out to Dave at IntegratePro.com use the contact link on his site and if you say Miles told you to reach out, he'll do a free skype call to help you figure out what works.
He is my go-to person for help with my membership, getting the cart tied in, the email list, etc... Definitely a key player on my team!
I did an interview with him if you want to vibe him out: th-cam.com/video/Wrz00t_S1p0/w-d-xo.html
Thank you again. I subscribed since yesterday to your channel and now I'm reading your site and watching other videos. Great content!👍
I think I'll reach out to Dave as well if you don't mind
Wow! Thank you so much for eye-opening video, Miles. I have been using ClickFunnels for 2 years and here of lately, they have been EXTREMELY buggy. I will be looking into ThriveThemes for hosting membership sites in the future. Don't like hosted content that I cannot control and of course, losing my money.
I 100% agree with you... If their product stood up to the marketing hype from them and their affiliates, I'd love it... But the truth is much different than what they're "selling"
Miles, first of all thank you for your videos, and always responding to my questions. I look forward to your daily videos. I would love it if you could go into more detail on the Thrive Themes, and Active campaign, and Active member 360. How do you connect all this. I feel so dumb. I am making progress. I'm not one to give up. Again, Thanks so much.
Victoria, to be perfectly honest I hired Dave at www.integratePro.com to manage this set up for me. If you reach out to him for help, be sure you let them know that Miles sent you as he takes care of my friends and will usually do a free one-on-one call to see if you and hear a fit, if he has time.
Good for you being the captain of your ship. Thank you for this. It was very helpful.
Glad it was helpful! Good to see all sides of the coin, sometimes...
Yes, I have been thinking about leaving Click Funnels. There are some really great features, but I am having to do some cash flow reality checking and match outlays to needs. I absolutely want to manage money in a way that upkeep does not become the downfall, as my mentor says. I've been using iglooapp.com/ to build landing pages and the basic membership sites like Click Funnels does.... but with drip and some other nice features... I teach a business plan course at community college and I feel much better recommending a one-time expense than ongoing, especially for startups... I'm watching your video on what you'd do if you have to start over now... Great stuff & thanks again.
+alorrinda managing cash flow is the #1priority for sure!
For me the WordPress systems offer the most flexibility because it lends itself to content marketing/SEO/blogging and funnels.
I did a bit of a price analysis in this blog post that you may enjoy: www.milesbeckler.com/choose-your-marketing-funnel-platform/
Hi Miles, thank you for posting and sharing. Question what video of yours do you recommend to learn what sales funnels are and how to do them? I dont have my website in Wordpress.. thanks for the help!!
I really appreciate the info. I hadn't even thought about it before...why would I have, right? When everybody else is singing CF's praises, you don't know if it's the affiliate program or a real review - you know what I mean? It could just be the affiliate commission talking. As I am writing this it's just dawned on me that Franklin Hatchet speaks very fondly of you. You were one of his mentors he speaks about. I think he has modeled you from afar. You showed him what was possible. I definitely appreciate you.
Commissions skew a LOT of people's opinions
I really like this guy. Genuine.
Glad to hear it David.... Not many people willing to ignore the 40% commissions on click funnels and offer some real talk about that platform... Luckily I have a successful business and I'm not financially tied to spreading rumors.
he's one of the few internet marketing gurus who doesn't spam me. great videos too
Thanks for being honest 👍
With their monthly payment system being buggy, should I just use another service to take care of that part specifically and integrate it into ClickFunnels? Do they allow that?
I do believe it's possible to integrate a different payment system... When I started the migration, I thought I was can leave click funnels in place for part and integrate another system to work with click funnels. The integration specialist I hired had warned me against this approach because it created unnecessary complexity which leaves room for problems in the future. His recommendation was to move to a unified system that was stable and rely on one system to handle everything.... And now that I've completed the migration I am so thankful I did!
Really love the value you're giving in your videos man. I'm getting ready to launch my first membership product in a few months and I'm currently hunting for the best website to do everything I need.
It's definitely worth a little extra time researching and finding the one that can support you in your long-term growth.
Good call, Miles, you scared the crap out of me there when you revealed that CF was allowing non-payers to view your content.
I was 2 days into my trial @ $297 / mo. (Which I had serious doubts about!)
Many thanks. Subscribed.
Norm.
I'm Thrive Themes too. Love it. Miles you should make some training videos on how to use the membership part of Thrive.
Still new with it, but I may do a behind the scenes vid soon with Thrive. Have you found their apprentice feature? Only works on some of there themes, but is totally cool for this! thrivethemes.com/introducing-thrive-apprentice/
And with that said, I think they are working on a new and improved system to replace this with even more functionality!
From what I gather the Apprentice feature isn't a full membership site solution. You're a high level marketer and it's great to have you in Thrive Themes family. I hear what you say about CF. Hopefully you can work with Thrive (Shane and Paul) and they can roll out a fully functional membership system without some of the glitches of other platforms.
To manage the access to your 'members area' that is built on Thrive's apprentice system you need a plugin to handle that... MemberMouse.com is a good one because it handles checkout and access to the content.
Thrive is just a theme... So just the 'look' and 'layout' not the functionality of making sales and giving customers access to the appropriate pages... Just the look of those pages.
Make sense?
I used S2 member a few years ago so got the idea. Optimize Press used to be one of the best but like the Thrive Themes system better. An all in one solution is tough to find. I'll look at the membermouse.
Anyone heard of the 1 page funnel? I seen an add on Facebook of a guy promoting it. Thoughts?
This seems very balanced, honest and authentic. Thanks, man!
Cheers... And be nice to those pepperonis! ...They've been through a lot
Wow...very interesting. I am on thrive now, and looking to go to click funnels. Your experience is reassuring me that thrive themes is the way to go.
+Chris Brown I really like thrive... Very happy with my decision now 4 or 5 months later!
Thanks for this. Miles, we tried it out last year and had a lot of the same issues. I know they are nice guys and will probably get it fixed, but that does not currently pay the bills. :) And it still may be great for those people that do not have a Membership component.
Confusionshoft LOL, I am currently using wordpress with a membership plugin, active campaign and Clickfunnels, of course I just started using CF however you have a lot of great points and if I have any issues, I now have a couple of options.
If you can't get everything to 'play nice' going all in on a WP system should resolve that...
i really appreciate this video, i just started delving into click funnels so knowing that it's not the best platform to use in terms of its membership site usability is helpful, i love your videos btw (thumbs up) keep 'em coming!
Glad you are enjoying the videos! I'm happy to share what I've learned from my experiences through the years!
Thanks for the reply! My last question for now is regarding click funnels by Russell Brunson. Is the Click Funnels software that he promotes the best option for people like me who are new to online marketing (notwithstanding membership site support)? It comes with a $297/month subscription and if there's cheaper software out there that has the same/similar capability i'd love to know. Thanks again for your advice, it's really appreciated!
Thanks Miles! Would you recommend Click Funnels (membership sites notwithstanding) for beginner online marketers? Just trying to justify the $297/month subscription fee, thanks again for your advice!
Hey Sammy... I think ClickFunnels is a solid option for simple funnels but you don't need the $297 option and you can start with the $97 option plus getting an email autoresponder. There is also a Wordpress based system that breaks down to nearly half that monthly price if the cost is too high... but takes a bit more 'work' to put together (not much, but a little).
Check out this blog post I made where I broke down the options and their pricing as best I could: www.milesbeckler.com/choose-your-marketing-funnel-platform/
Cheers Miles! The value is in the content and i gleaned tons of value here, thanks again :-)
I've had a few technical issues with ClickFunnels, but so far the Membership Funnels have worked great for me. I love being able to include upsells on the Members Area :)
+Shawn Bayley offering members more products is good for business!
As a WordPress fan, I love this option. We use the Divi 3 theme. Wondering if Thrive Cart integrates well with it.
Thanks.
You would need a plugin to manage access (thrive cart is only a cart) but yes, should work fine!
Thanks for sharing! While looking for simple help on ClickFunnels I turned to TH-cam as I received error messages and my domain showed page not found. Every time I needed help I could only use their chat. There are no phone numbers. Trying to explain an issue over chat is difficult - at least for them. They kept telling me that it was FaceBooks problem, It was my domain's host's problems. To me, no matter what ClickFunnels is great at, their support is does not work. So, I am ending my membership today.
Tough to deal with chat as a main 'support' medium. If you haven't found the clickfunnels alternative i'm using already, this post shows the entire setup... www.milesbeckler.com/clickfunnels-alternative
Holy cow! I'm building my site with Thrive as we speak. It's my 1st membership site and hearing this just validates this decision. I never even thought to use clickfunnels but def glad I didn't start with them.
Good to get a little validation that you are going in the right direction! :D
Thanks for your video Miles, I appreciate the great content, Question for you, when you are doing the move, is moving your customer's emails, easy to do, How does that transition work?
As long as they actually opted in, and you reach out to the company you are migrating to before it is usually super simple... Export list from one, import to the other.
Ask to make sure they will let you upload the list and not have to re-confirm since they already confirmed. They 'get it' and can even help import the list, sometimes. But even DIY it is super simple
Excellent insights here, sir. Thanks for sharing your experience!
My pleasure... Thanks for the comment.
Miles' You have my attention for one main reason, you give so much, constantly I was just about to join clickfunnel and was doing my final research to move forward, and bam!! I see this and I have been following you, have heard you speak of Thrive funnel platform in wordpress, and I do presently have wordpress and GetResponse Email Marketing, again thank you, Lastly I have witness companies who take on huge projects and massive audiences experience major issues.
Great information, Question: if I already have a WordPress account, website and domain, do I still need to sign up for thrive themes?
Miles, I'm in the middle of 90 day challenge. Now migrate my blog to Thrive too! Thanks for this info. I learn the hard way lesson, paid developer for "little thing" in my blog. and it took 2 months. he spoke in languange that i didnt understand. felt like he did it in purpose, that makes me more confuse! Thankyou for saving my time in the future. Yesterday is lesson to learn. Your content is gold.
Are we able to create membership course navigation on the left like how ClickFunnel does? I like the way how the navigation works that neat and simply. Thanks in advance.
Hi Miles, great information. I am raw-handed. I have purchased Thrive Architect.
What is the difference between Thrive Architect and Thrive Theme and why one needs both? I want to be able to use WooCommerce, eventually. Will Thrive Theme / TA integrate with Woo Commerce? Many thanks.
happy new year Miles great post, what is click funnels? as a company what is it? a type of template for a website? a hosting company? aka lead generation? or a membership company? they have two plans 297$ and & 97$?
Hey Miles! I have to hand it to you, you're a beast at answering questions in this comments section! Thanks in advance for your response. As you evaluated the feature differences between ActiveCampaign vs. Mailchimp, what was the kicker that made you pull the trigger on Active Campaign? Thanks for your time!
Great question Kevan.
Active campaign is much more similar to Infusionsoft where you get advanced automation tools, tagging, and lead scoring. (With a lot less confusion)
Active campaign has a plug-in they created called active member 360 that picks up the tags from active campaign and gives users access to certain pages or posts based on the tags.
Then, thrive cart is able to place tags or run automations on customers based on new purchases, failed payments, restart failed payments, refunds, etc.
Mail chimp is much simpler... And honestly, I gave up on mail chimp years ago due to deliverability issues some not all that in tune with where that platform stands today.
The real kicker was that the integration specialist I hired to help manage this process highly recommended this marketing stack as a way for me to get into the "new age of marketing" for some advanced retargeting and segmenting features that just aren't possible on simpler auto responders.
His name is Dave and his site is IntegratePro.com If you are curious
Right on Miles! Thanks for the deep response. Can you briefly tell me if you see any problems with this. I think my stack solution is going to look something like this; [1. Move my site, www.believerworldwide.com, from Webflow to WordPress, 2.Move from Shopify to WooCommerce for checkout, + TBD plug-in for upsell funnel 3. Active Campaign for email automation 4.Agora Pulse for Social Publishing. 5. Google Analytics] Are you seeing anything major I'm missing? (I'm selling physical products). Thanks again!
Seems legit! be sure to get your Facebook tracking pixel all over your site and your active campaign pixel so you can get some really cool retargeting an email segmenting automation on your side.
Remarketing to people who sorry checkout page but didn't buy is going to be some seriously low hanging fruit once that's all set up!
Thank you for sharing your thoughts, experiences, and alternatives. As a low volume, high price information marketer and business coach, you have been helpful. Of course the concern for many of us is the built in conflict of interest due to the affiliate fees involved.
+Mitchell Levin no affiliate commission or financial benefit for me recommending WordPress!!!
Use any theme you want or have it custom coded, just be sure it is on WordPress so you own the racecourse! m.th-cam.com/video/x5Z0xGodRpc/w-d-xo.html
Thanks Miles! I've been playing around with different methods aside from the affiliate branding I'm growing through this channel but I've been experimenting through CPA Marketing in Maxbounty and really know theres potential within Facebook ads for conversions but haven't quit got the key in the right slot to unlock it. primarily I'd like to be able to promote the offer in the ad with the link acting as a 301 redirect, but without the hassle of creating a website for it or coding landing pages. Do you recommend any software or structures on how you run some pretty successful funnels through facebook ads? would love your insight!
Using WordPress makes everything pretty simple once you get the hang of it… Creating 31 redirects in 307 redirects is as easy as entering or link, new link in a plug-in in a WordPress site and boom it's there.
This video series will show you how to create a funnel on WordPress with the theme I use: www.milesbeckler.com/wordpress-funnel
One tip… Build an email list! Sounds like your direct linking people from Facebook to CPA which yes might work, that's how I made my first money online… But the moment Facebook gets what you're doing though put a stop to it and your income will disappear completely if you don't have a list. If you send people from Facebook to your list then to the CPA offer you can send them to several CPA offers through your follow-up sequins and when Facebook flips the script on you you still have your email list meaning you still have an asset that can create income for you even though the game has changed
Thanks for the info...
i have stop paying for funnel-university which is the product of click funnel. and till this day which is like 1 year or so. i still have access to the content.
Thanks for sharing. Control is key
YES! So important
Hi Miles, really enjoy your videos & info as it is so confusing and there's so much out there to look at! And i was about to choose CF but now u got me thinking - so I have a specific campaign that is to sell audios - first on specific audio then need an opt-in to collect emails to retarget with new stuff - very simple - what system or what would you suggest?
Wordpress is my go to clickfunnels alternative... My wife and I sell .mp3 files and this is what we use (including how to set it up videos): www.milesbeckler.com/clickfunnels-alternative/
Great video Miles. We haven't invested in Clickfunnels yet. Right now we're using OP2 with Thrive Lead Shortcodes to measure conversion rates. Love Thrive and love OP2 as well. Onwards, my man!
If you love where you are, I'd recommend staying there! :D Glad you liked the video...
Certainly did buddy. Thanks for sharing your love with us all. BB
Miles, now I have you - can I ask: do you know of a WP plugin that gives me the chance to create a a funnel analytics dashboard, a la Clickfunnels? Man, that would be so great. Currently use the shortcodes on Thrive Leads, which is decent. I''d love to have a dashboard though. Any experiences you have to share would be awesome, brother. Thank you!
Google Analytics is what professional marketers use...
Yep. I was asking if you had a specific WP plugin to measure basic conversion rate of a page within the dashboard? We embed Thrive shortcodes right now, which works OK for measuring conversion.
Great vid, Miles -- Thanks!
Cheers Ryan
I've used upwork for other tasks, but how do I go about finding a quality developer for my wordpress site and how much should I be paying to migrate my clickfunnels content to a thrivetheme site? Thanks. Love your videos.
it all depends on what country they are in and what their level of expertise is.I assume you could find someone in the US for $20-$35 per hour if you are looking in the Philippines you could probably find someone for $10-$15 per hour. I look at past references/reviews and the comments
Hey Miles! Super useful channel! Cheers from Hungary, Budapest! Also a great place for digital nomads, if you are looking for a European city, many foreigners here!
one question: what is your opinion about instapage for landing pages?
Thanks for your answer! :)
Have never used it and have no interest in it... I prefer WordPress and Thrive themes. www.milesbeckler.com/clickfunnels-alternative/
Are you going to do a thrive theme tutorial. just a thought. thanks Miles
Yes, I plan to do a whole series on that theme... I've got a busy travel schedule and hotels for almost 2 weeks, before I settle in somewhere I can pull that off... But indeed, that is my plan!
Thanks for the suggestion and encouragement!
Thank You for all Your insight, I was hoping to find out what the Monthly cost is now for Your New Platform using WP, and also what Hosting Service You Are Using ? kind regards, Diana
Depends on a few factors, like how long you sign up for each component (they give price breaks for paying annually up front) One viewer just set up a site based on my DIY Sales Funnel series ( th-cam.com/video/YsUNFZhqkEA/w-d-xo.html ) And it cost him around $300 for the whole year... I think $19/mo for the autoresponder is the only monthly recurring and that doesn't start till month 2.
Great video Miles, Is this still your stack ? Thrive Cart, Active Campaign, Active Member 360
I was about to join Click funnels! Gad I got to this video first. Thanks :)
It can be worth it in some situations (simple funnels, no recurring payments) but I still think WordPress offers so many advantages that it is a huge step up.
Miles thanks for sharing. Regardless who is making money from it, it's your "personal experience" with CF... If anything it should encourage CF to be motivated to improve their customer service. This is not the only account I have come across that mentioned that the product is good but the customer support has not been responsive. I would be equally as frustrated if I was getting no where with support and they were evasive about it while I lose money.
Wow, thanks, Miles. that is some serious info. So hard to know what works in these new systems and what is a throw away. Sounds like clickfunnels is good on the marketing side but not sure about their email functions and the membership sounds pretty weak.
You nailed it... And their army of affiliates plus their excellent sales material make it sound like the be-all end-all... but it is still buggy and having growing pains. Not for me to build my long-term business on, for sure.
Thanks a lot! I already knew Thrive themes and you confirm what I think about them. They are awesome. I've never thought about building a sales funnel through thrive themes so thanks a lot. I was searching for this. By the way, can we build a simple but complete sales funnel selling 1 upfront + 1 upsell with only thrive themes? Thank you.
You need to add on a shopping cart, but yes you can. And a shopping cart can be an inexpensive one-time purchase.... You can see the tutorial series I did on how to build a DIY sales funnel here: www.milesbeckler.com/clickfunnels-alternative
Was just considering Thrive or CF. Thanks for your story it helped. If you don't mind Miles, what would be the best affiliate solution to integrate with active member 360, cannot see anything about affiliate integration on their site? Thanks
Hey Tony, thanks for the comment... So I'm using Thrive card to manage the checkout process and they just rolled out an affiliate module that works with Thrive cart. You drop a couple of resources/links here below for you if you want more information.
First I just completed a post on my site about Thrive or ClickFunnels; which goes a bit deeper as a direct comparison, here: www.milesbeckler.com/choose-your-marketing-funnel-platform/
then I want to introduce you to my integration guy who actually got the active member working with Thrive the way I wanted (and helped me get going on Thrive cart) during this transition… His name is Dave and he is at www.integratepro.com
he is super helpful and super friendly but most importantly incredibly smart when it comes to integrating multiple systems together and making different systems communicate with each other the way they should! If you reach out to him tell him Miles sent you.
This is exactly what I've been thinking about because I think it's a dangerous thing to be putting all your assets on these kinds of systems because like what you said if something goes wrong you can't even move forward without going to support who's not probably helpful. Whereas with open source cms like Wordpress, you can easily get some THAT WILL respond to you, to help you move forward. And you own everything.
I'm hoping I could create a more streamlined process to make it as easy as possible for people to get started but at the same time, owning it instead of paying for one-stop-solutions like CF.
Glad I found your video, Miles! I subscribed.
PS I have to add.. I looooove ActiveCampaign. Coming from helping clients with Infusionsoft, AC was a breathe of fresh air! 😂
Totally agree! the ability to jump on up work and hire an expert to solve a problem right then and there.... Versus getting the "runaround" or "pass the buck" response From click funnels support... Priceless!
Dangerous is the correct word, for sure!
Awesome video thanks so much for sharing your setup! I am just looking to set up a member site, so I'm very thankful having read this.
I was wondering how you handle affiliate tracking with the Wordpress / Activemember setup. Since Clickfunnels has a built in affiliate tracking / payout system (i think they call it Backpack) I was hoping you have worked out a good equivalent for that?
Thrive cart has an affiliate module too
Oh awesome, didn't realise that - they don't mention it clearly on their sales page!
Do you have an Autoresponder in addition to those products you mention OR does your List reside inside those products somewhere?? Any comments welcome and thanks for sharing Miles.
3rd party autoresponder... I recommend Aweber for people who aren't yet at the $10k/mo mark: www.milesbeckler.com/aweber
Thank you!!!!!!
My pleasure!
Hi Miles. I see that you did this video in Jan 2017 and was wondering if you are still using WP as you main funnels?
I am a member and love Thrive Themes!!!!
Great to hear!
Okay so I happened upon your video while researching other systems. To the right are obviously more of your videos. I noticed a familiar face next to yours on one. I have been following Melanie for years now. All I can say is you must be the luckiest man on earth to have such a beautiful Angel at your side! LOL. A little cross promotion on my part. I have subscribed! Most of all, thank you for your candor and exceptional information! I will really enjoy watching and learning from your other videos!
Indeed I am very blessed... Glad you are enjoying both of our videos and channels!
What plan do you have for Active Campaign? Which one includes all the tagging and such that you mentioned?
The lowest price one. Nothing fancy
Can you talk a little about how a wordpress site is able to grant and withdraw access to members when using stripe either as a standalone or with an intermediary like samcart etc for payments? Thanks.
You will pretty much always need a plugin to interface with Samcart/Stripe and your WordPress site. I'm using ActiveMember360 (that connects ActiveCampaign [my email service] and Wordpress) and this is a bit more complex than most beginners need.
MemberMouse is a great option and it eliminates the need for SamCart as it includes the checkout page... You integrate Stripe to MM, integrate your email service to MM and configure it like a normal plugin on Wordpress... Product A gives access to pages /a, /b, /c.... Product B gives access to pages /c, /d, etc.
Good content.. I am very new to all this tech info. Is this user friendly for someone just trying to building funnels for email retrieving. I have a an econ business.
yes, the first two videos here show you how to set it up to collect emails www.milesbeckler.com/clickfunnels-alternative/
Yes Clickfunnel did me the same way, very discouraging also lost affiliate link payouts
Hey Miles. Question how does the login form and edit profile look with ac360 and thrive? I have thrive themes, tc and use ac. The thing about thrive themes is they strip some css and then the forms look like 1997 old. I want front end editing and no admin bar view. Thanks and thanks for sharing your experience.
Right now, the log in page is the wordpress login page.... Gotta get our logo on there and get rid of that W... lol.
There is no admin bar and they don't have an edit profile page yet... But, with that said, I will be adding on BuddyPress and think they will get all kinds of new profile functionality, I believe.
I don't know if the no admin bar was standard or if my integration guy did that... If you want any help with customizing your setup, I highly recommend Dave at www.integratepro.com he did a lot with AM360 and WP for me.
Hello I'm using S2member plugin for membership. It's quite frustrating to setup it but when you are done it's working really well. The cons is they stripe payment gateway is not sexy. You are stuck with paypal or clickbank.
What about adding on Thrive Cart or Sam Cart to control the look of checkout? That's what I do
Awesome video, Miles. Was looking for a frank evaluation of CF. Good job though I don't know how you got through this video without trashing Actionetics (hahaha!)
Seriously!?! The honest reason is because I canceled that over a year before I left because it was so bad. Active Campaign is clearly what they tried to copy (lead scoring, automations, etc) and they did a terrible job.... lol. But boy can they write sales letters... Just too bad the software doesn't live up.
Word. Yes, seriously, I thought you really took it easy on Actionetics (or maybe you didn't mention it at all - can't quite recall).
But anyway, it doesn't take much probing to find the weak spots in Actionetics. For example, I loaded up some contacts and then wanted to delete a bunch of them en-mass. The answer from Support: "no can do". How is that a database?
Another example - I've got automations in my funnel to tag people at different stages. This is the method they prescribe. Now after a while, I'd like to see who has certain tags. Looked in all the support docs -
could not find a way to do this anywhere. So I had to contact support. Their answer 16 hours later (exact quote): "After running several test it does not look like there is a quick way to do this. ". Whaaaa?
If it wasn't so sad it would be hilarious. I'm about to start calling it fraud.
What would you suggest? I also am starting and have minimal startup amount to invest in my business.
Content marketing and list building is exactly how we started... We had no money to invest at first... So we invested our time and energy creating content to build an audience.
How is click funnels for affiliate marketing?
Wow, I am impressed by you sir, you are awesome. I am a new subscriber and i am looking around your channel, pleasantly surprised, keep up the great content. Your content is great.
Cheers!
Sorry to hear about your troubles with CF. It seems like a nice platform, even though I haven't tested it yet. But it's surprising, because Russell offers amazing free value as well, so you'd think CF should offer an amazing support.
Anyway, quick question about ThriveThemes. I haven't used them in a while and a few months ago they still haven't fixed or found a work-around for this, so wanted to get your opinion on this.
What I don't like about their optin popup (or lead box) is that there's no way to add a tracking pixel (FB or any other type) that fires only when the popup appears. In the code, the popup is generated on page-load, which basically will fire the pixel in the pupup code as well on pageload, while I (and many others, from what I've seen on their blog) want to be able to fire 2 different pixels, one for pageload, one for popup shown for better tracking, reporting, retargeting, etc.
Did you use this and found a work-around? This is one of the biggest things I hated about Leadpages as well, and it bothers me since it's a simple thing to code. I mean, an experienced developer could do this in one day max, including testing, etc. It's all about loading asynchronous the scripts on the leadbox, that's all. Now there are full sites created asynchronously, can't they make a simple popup work like that? That's disturbing, honestly.
For anything I need to track (like my FB traffic) I send them to a page with a headline and a button that pops up the optin form. So my pixel fires on page load. Then the next pixel on my OTO page if they make it through the form.
I test the text on the pop like a standard split test, so mirror the text on the page that loads exactly, then just test different click-pop text.
It isn't perfect, but it works for me.
Thanks for the video - how do you like ActiveCampaign's membership plugin?
Not a huge fan but I'm stuck with it because I'm on active campaign
@@MilesB Thanks. Honestly there is so much room for improvement in the world of membership plugins. I've been using Wishlist for a few years now - it gets the job done, but I need to purchase additional plugins to make it more efficient. Keep up the good work.
Clickfunnels is growing a MASSIVE army of affiliates, so there is a ton of hype and buzz about it... But honestly it is still buggy!
Dear Miles, would you please share the link to your paid course? Thanks, great videos.
No paid course... Just layin it all out here on TH-cam for free as clearly as I can.
How do you have less than 2k subscribers? Your material is like hidden treasure here on youtube. Thank you for taking the time.
Miles Beckler Yeah, in chat they like to say "This is how it works" instead of "this is an obvious bug, thanks for reporting it". They need a publicly accessible bug tracker, like any application. ClickFunnels is actually sort of awesome compared to some funnel makers, really (minus the membership area part), but they need to take software development far more seriously. I also notice that they use Intercom for promotional emails, whereas they should be using Actionetics. That's just ridiculous. They need to "dogfood" everything they sell, like a real software company.
True Very Buggy System
Hi Miles! Will you please give me links so I can see Thrive Themes and ThriveCart in live working websites?
Hi Miles. I really like your content and the videos I have seen. You seem trustworthy and transparent. I am new to the space of internet marketing. I do feel I have a unique product/service. Its more of a one time buy than a membership. I am looking for an easy(er) solution to create a sales funnel. My question is: Being new to the game, should I use click funnels? Or should I be hiring someone experienced in CRO/LPO(landing page optimization)/FB ads to help set this up and run this campaign for me. Thanks and I look forward to more of your content, ideas and products.
So have you tested the idea? I'm all about minimum viable testing th-cam.com/video/1cEzmc-_GCI/w-d-xo.html
Honestly, this is the setup I recommend... In the 'shopping cart' video I show a simple one-off purchase I used to make my first few hundred k online... th-cam.com/video/YsUNFZhqkEA/w-d-xo.html
Hi Miles, thanks for your warning. I'm doing my first seed launch right now and I need the membership part of CF now. But the moment my product is online I really will consider going to Leadpages plus a new membership site. I will not build that all in Wordpress though as I believe my company is not a developing company. I only rent software. We do not build software. So I will go with something differently. Maybe Kajabi?
Hi Miles, i built a pretty rough site using optimizepress 18 months ago, i'm now at a point where i need to redo my site and it definitely needs a good membership option and funnel. Would you suggest that Thrive themes is a better option if i'm considering scrapping most of my old site?
I left OP years ago and am so glad I did... Thrive is what I use so yes, that is what I recommend.
Good day miles, so currently doing the 30-day funnel challenge @ click funnels. They have such huge market share, I'm surprised I found your review. Although I personally don't have very much experience online, does your system have a course like the 30day challenge to show me the process to truly making money online and not just a bunch of talk?
Nice one Miles. Thrive is awesome, though not absolutely perfect. Curious to see how Active Member works out for you.
I've let go of my hopes for a perfect solution which is helping everything! :D
Active Campaign + ActiveMember360 is working great... Had some custom scripts created by a friend who helped with the integration (Dave at www.integratepro.com) to make it even easier to use and to add all kinds of crazy cool tracking in AC from their actions on the site.
Now, I get to dig in to creating automations and follow up series' for people who don't engage, people who are hyper engaged, etc. I feel like after trying 4 or 5 solutions over the last several years, I finally found my 'home' with this stack.
My one thing is I know from past experiences you can run two sites on Wordpress with one hosting - do you believe A2 is the best choice for hosting -
It is one of the better choices yes. I would have to have tested every single option to call the "best
and I have not done that. but they are not corporate owned, they are fast to support and their servers are quick… Everything I needed in a shared host
Great info...I just subscribed..
Miles, great video. I agree that clickfunnels is still a bit buggy. What are your thoughts on ontraport? I've been thinking about using a combo of clickfunnels, activecampaign and thinkific. It's too bad there's not a solid option for an all-in-one platform out there.
I know a few people using it successfully. All in one platforms often are great at one or two things an suck at others. I think the best stacks are ones that work together cleanly, each designed by a team of specialists... Wordpress + Thrive Themes + Thrive Cart + AC + AM360 is an example.
Great video mate
Cheers
Thanks Miles for this video. I'm doing some research on product launches and CF happened to have a product launch funnel built already. I know I can set all of this up via my WordPress blog but I really don't want to build a funnel or hire someone to do it. Would you recommend CF in this instance?
I guess the simple question is... Are you willing to pay upwards of 10x more (up to $3236/year more) for a less functional and less customizable system that has a pre-built funnel in it?
This post breaks down the costs: www.milesbeckler.com/choose-your-marketing-funnel-platform/
This video series shows the 'how to' of building out a ClickFunnels alternative on WordPress if you would like a tutorial: th-cam.com/play/PL0sOKzn__yK3iOONk6-QP0Se2G23ZcuWL.html
RideshareDrivingTips.com Thanks Miles! I want 10X RESULTS, not 10X expenses! Lol! I'll check out your links. U Da Man! 😊
Hey, i was just wondering what websites/programs do you suggest i use for an affiliate marketing program that sells luxury products? I'm interested in creating funnels, building my email list, etc.
This playlist goes into the tools and how to set them all up: th-cam.com/video/YsUNFZhqkEA/w-d-xo.html