To be fair Hotch used to be a prosecutor before joining the BAU. So Haley didn't really know what she was getting into by marrying him. I still felt like she was a little cold in the way she handled it though.
I love how the men in the comment section doesn’t see it this way. Always blame the wife. We know it’s his job but he barely see his kid or wife they expect them to be happy about it. She tired of being the single married mother 😅
@@SS-cl2nn Yes but if she decided to marry a very accomplished man she should understand what she is doing and she should know he isnt going to be around as much as a stay at home wife would be and its the same if it was the other way around it doesnt matter if its a woman or not so no need to bring up gender.
@@SS-cl2nn Oh c'mon. SPOILER ALERT JJ and her husband made it work, and so did other couples in the series because they wanted it to work. Feels like Haley didn't. If he calls every day, puts food on the table, roof over their heads, it should be fine. His family was the purest thing to him, and she took it away.
Prosecutors I want to say are just as busy talking before a judge doing there job as a FBI agent I mean minus the hunting down criminals so yeah I still don't understand why Haley was all upset now if he was cia being all everything I do I work is classified than I'd understand cause he'd be late just cause
@@Kyrucifer Will knew what JJ would be dealing with before he started dating her, Hotch wasn't a profiler when they met and definitely not head of the BAU.
Hypothetically even if Hotch couldn't take him..there's no way that dude would be able to down two fbi agents at the same time... I'm sure Hotch can handle him by himself..
This was a really good episode. Great dialogue and great problem solving in both plots. Also props to both Reid for defusing the situation and for Hotch being ready to throw down in the interrogation room.
i dont think thqat hotchners wife knew what she was getting into. because they have been dating since high school. they have been together since they were teens. he was a prosecutor first. he moved over to the BAU and its such an intense job that it put too much strain on their relationship. and once there was a child and he didnt slow down or switch to something else she wasnt willing to live like that anymore. their relationship hadnt always been that way. there were many years of it where he didnt have that job. he made a choice. not sure if it was the right one. i think either way he would have been unhappy.
This is one of those cases where the killer goes probably to a mental hospital but in the case of the father he's going to jail, tampering with evidence, obstruction of justice and the list likely goes on. Glad everybody got closure as I don't care how long it's been people need that.
I’m sure the list ends there but yeah on the wiki is implies that the clown was sent to a mental hospital, hopefully everything went alright for him after that tho (Ik he killed ppl but still)
First, I always figured this could have been the first case Rossi had with children involved, or at least where the children survived. He said he couldn’t get their screaming and crying out of his head. That could be why it was the one case he couldn’t let go of. Second, it is absolutely possible for the serial killer’s mother to still be alive. I work in a nursing home, I have a resident who is turning 101 soon. Her 70+ year old son visits her, her (grown) great grandchildren come to visit. Absolutely possible.
I really like the realism of the kids not growing up to be super functional, after all, trauma tends to ripple. Not to say some can't overcome, but I appreciate that in this case they showed that they were not having an easy time.
20:02 Reed did his best work under pressure but failed to understand what JJ meant and missed what was right in front of his face. Matters of the heart.❤😂
In most typical divorces, there's not really anyone at fault. Usually, life happens and two people drift apart and become incompatible. Haley didn't know he would one day join the BAU. She didn't know he would be regularly absent. And then, maybe she thought having a kid would change things. A LOT of people think having a kid or more kids will fix a relationship. And even if it was initially her idea, well, it takes two to tango. Hotch agreed to having a kid. How can you blame a woman for wanting her husband to be in her and their kid's life? Once he changed jobs, she thought she could handle it for a while, and then she couldn't. If anything, it's Hotch's fault for making several promises and then not fulfilling them. He never had to make the promises. Anyway divorce is so much more nuanced than just blaming one person. Sometimes one person is at fault, but most of the time it's not so dramatic lol.
This episode(the unsub) has always reminded me of Lenny in Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck. An adult with the mental capacity of a child that doesn't realize his strength. Granted the ending of this episode is different than the ending of the book.
I'm surprised no one in the comments mentioned that the whole scene with Hotch and Reid being locked in with the unsub is clearly based on a real life episode when FBI profiler Robert Ressler was interviewing Ed Kemper and Kemper started playfully threatening Ressler that he could kill him before the nearest guard could open the door. It wasn't nearly as tense as it was shown here and Kemper was just fooling around rather than genuinely threatening to murder Ressler, though. The episode is also depicted in Mindhunter but again, it's a lot more tense that it was in real life.
Strippers make a lot on money, and is often appealing for trauma survivors since they’re dissociation often makes it hard for them to focus during normal jobs. And looking at her age if she didn’t have a job before becoming a stripper it can be very difficult to find one.
Thank you. I was gonna comment something similar. I like this guys videos but the way this guy sometimes judges people like this pisses me off. Clearly has no knowledge.
20:18 - to be fair, at this point, Hotch still has a choice. He can change jobs and work it out with Haley. Put the family together again. But I guess it's easier for him to live without a wife and son then not do his work.
@@SimpleReactions True. They both do. But it seems like she is, if not happy, then content with her choice. Hotch looks pained and depressed. My point (which wasn't clear) is that his emotional pain is partially his choice. So I feel for him, he's a good man who deserves to be happy, but it's not like there is nothing he can do but suffer.
@@ScarlettM Hayley has put him in a situation where he'll suffer either way. His character is almost defined by the need to catch killers before they can hurt more people.
@@apeflight5553 Hayley didn't put him in this situation. Hayley has ZERO say in where he works. He is the only one who can chose between his job and his family. And he made the choice.
One thing that confuses me about this episode is that in an earlier episode he said it happened on Christmas Eve. And I always assumed the kids got the gifts on the anniversary of the crime, since they assumed the gifts came from Rossi (he calls on the anniversary every year). But it’s definitely not Christmas in this episode. Am I wrong about something, or did the writers screw something up?
I'd have to rewatch the episode but I think it took place a little while before or after Christmas, not on it. If they said differently in another episode they probably messed up
Since there aren't enough main characters to do a top 10 maybe you could make a top 10 of the criminals once you finish the series. Of course it would be more about picking favorites rather than character development like usual.
Already done something new it is coming later. But I am sure that will be done anyways. If a show makes my top 10 of all time I typically rank all the characters.
The british flag (union jack) is used a lot in mainstream punk culture, so it's not that uncommon to find a shirt with the design in america especially when hot topic and other mall chains had their mid 2000s boom.
You could do a top 5 characters. You don't have to of course just saying. I get what you are saying though the character lineup would probably not change much.
Garcia and Kevin sitting in a tree... Poor Reid. As a child prodigy who graduated high school at age 12, he missed out on a lot of common childhood experiences. I wish Prentiss had explained what the song meant instead of letting Reid hang.
Sucks for agent Hotchner. I agree 👍 about blaming her. They've been together for years. You'd think she would be proud of the man he is. He's been this guy for a long time. On the other side of it it's understandable to want someone home with you when you have a family. I think she will regret it when he finds someone else. I don't think he would do that being he wants his family but that door is WIDE OPEN with the signing of those divorce papers. 💔
you right is is her fault. although Hotch was not an FBI agent when they first married but that dose justify how see cheated on him and then when she was caught she blamed him and guilt tripped him in to believing it was his fault.
To be fair Hotch used to be a prosecutor before joining the BAU. So Haley didn't really know what she was getting into by marrying him. I still felt like she was a little cold in the way she handled it though.
I love how the men in the comment section doesn’t see it this way. Always blame the wife. We know it’s his job but he barely see his kid or wife they expect them to be happy about it. She tired of being the single married mother 😅
@@SS-cl2nn Yes but if she decided to marry a very accomplished man she should understand what she is doing and she should know he isnt going to be around as much as a stay at home wife would be and its the same if it was the other way around it doesnt matter if its a woman or not so no need to bring up gender.
@@SS-cl2nn Oh c'mon. SPOILER ALERT JJ and her husband made it work, and so did other couples in the series because they wanted it to work. Feels like Haley didn't. If he calls every day, puts food on the table, roof over their heads, it should be fine. His family was the purest thing to him, and she took it away.
Prosecutors I want to say are just as busy talking before a judge doing there job as a FBI agent I mean minus the hunting down criminals so yeah I still don't understand why Haley was all upset now if he was cia being all everything I do I work is classified than I'd understand cause he'd be late just cause
@@Kyrucifer Will knew what JJ would be dealing with before he started dating her, Hotch wasn't a profiler when they met and definitely not head of the BAU.
Reid really did talk a prisoner's ear off to keep Hotch safe until the guards came back. One of my absolute favorite scenes.
There's no way that guy was taking Hotch. Not a chance.
Hypothetically even if Hotch couldn't take him..there's no way that dude would be able to down two fbi agents at the same time... I'm sure Hotch can handle him by himself..
That Hotch And raid scene is a classic🤣
This was a really good episode. Great dialogue and great problem solving in both plots. Also props to both Reid for defusing the situation and for Hotch being ready to throw down in the interrogation room.
Fr, it’s extremely underrated
i dont think thqat hotchners wife knew what she was getting into. because they have been dating since high school. they have been together since they were teens. he was a prosecutor first. he moved over to the BAU and its such an intense job that it put too much strain on their relationship. and once there was a child and he didnt slow down or switch to something else she wasnt willing to live like that anymore. their relationship hadnt always been that way. there were many years of it where he didnt have that job. he made a choice. not sure if it was the right one. i think either way he would have been unhappy.
When the oldest daughter tells Rossi to stop sending the gifts and Rossi turns around to tell her they aren’t from him…EPIC MOMENT!!!
This is one of those cases where the killer goes probably to a mental hospital but in the case of the father he's going to jail, tampering with evidence, obstruction of justice and the list likely goes on. Glad everybody got closure as I don't care how long it's been people need that.
I’m sure the list ends there but yeah on the wiki is implies that the clown was sent to a mental hospital, hopefully everything went alright for him after that tho (Ik he killed ppl but still)
First, I always figured this could have been the first case Rossi had with children involved, or at least where the children survived. He said he couldn’t get their screaming and crying out of his head. That could be why it was the one case he couldn’t let go of.
Second, it is absolutely possible for the serial killer’s mother to still be alive. I work in a nursing home, I have a resident who is turning 101 soon. Her 70+ year old son visits her, her (grown) great grandchildren come to visit. Absolutely possible.
I think the case also lined up with when his son died
I really like the realism of the kids not growing up to be super functional, after all, trauma tends to ripple. Not to say some can't overcome, but I appreciate that in this case they showed that they were not having an easy time.
Let’s be real here, we ALL wanted Hotch to throw hands with the inmate before Reid stepped in.
jj’s “sit 🫱”always makes me giggle
20:02 Reed did his best work under pressure but failed to understand what JJ meant and missed what was right in front of his face. Matters of the heart.❤😂
In most typical divorces, there's not really anyone at fault. Usually, life happens and two people drift apart and become incompatible. Haley didn't know he would one day join the BAU. She didn't know he would be regularly absent. And then, maybe she thought having a kid would change things. A LOT of people think having a kid or more kids will fix a relationship. And even if it was initially her idea, well, it takes two to tango. Hotch agreed to having a kid. How can you blame a woman for wanting her husband to be in her and their kid's life? Once he changed jobs, she thought she could handle it for a while, and then she couldn't. If anything, it's Hotch's fault for making several promises and then not fulfilling them. He never had to make the promises. Anyway divorce is so much more nuanced than just blaming one person. Sometimes one person is at fault, but most of the time it's not so dramatic lol.
This episode(the unsub) has always reminded me of Lenny in Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck. An adult with the mental capacity of a child that doesn't realize his strength. Granted the ending of this episode is different than the ending of the book.
Yeah, they even mentioned it once in the episode
I'm surprised no one in the comments mentioned that the whole scene with Hotch and Reid being locked in with the unsub is clearly based on a real life episode when FBI profiler Robert Ressler was interviewing Ed Kemper and Kemper started playfully threatening Ressler that he could kill him before the nearest guard could open the door. It wasn't nearly as tense as it was shown here and Kemper was just fooling around rather than genuinely threatening to murder Ressler, though. The episode is also depicted in Mindhunter but again, it's a lot more tense that it was in real life.
Loved when hotch was ready to fight
Strippers make a lot on money, and is often appealing for trauma survivors since they’re dissociation often makes it hard for them to focus during normal jobs.
And looking at her age if she didn’t have a job before becoming a stripper it can be very difficult to find one.
Thank you. I was gonna comment something similar. I like this guys videos but the way this guy sometimes judges people like this pisses me off. Clearly has no knowledge.
When Morgan finds the son hiding and says “GET YOUR ASS OUTTA THERE RIGHT NOW” 💪🏾
20:18 - to be fair, at this point, Hotch still has a choice. He can change jobs and work it out with Haley. Put the family together again. But I guess it's easier for him to live without a wife and son then not do his work.
And his wife has a choice too. Tear the family apart or stick it together. This isn't a one sided situation.
@@SimpleReactions True. They both do. But it seems like she is, if not happy, then content with her choice. Hotch looks pained and depressed. My point (which wasn't clear) is that his emotional pain is partially his choice. So I feel for him, he's a good man who deserves to be happy, but it's not like there is nothing he can do but suffer.
@@ScarlettM Hayley has put him in a situation where he'll suffer either way. His character is almost defined by the need to catch killers before they can hurt more people.
@@apeflight5553 Hayley didn't put him in this situation. Hayley has ZERO say in where he works. He is the only one who can chose between his job and his family. And he made the choice.
@@ScarlettM She put him in the position where he had to make a choice.
One thing that confuses me about this episode is that in an earlier episode he said it happened on Christmas Eve. And I always assumed the kids got the gifts on the anniversary of the crime, since they assumed the gifts came from Rossi (he calls on the anniversary every year). But it’s definitely not Christmas in this episode. Am I wrong about something, or did the writers screw something up?
I'd have to rewatch the episode but I think it took place a little while before or after Christmas, not on it. If they said differently in another episode they probably messed up
Since there aren't enough main characters to do a top 10 maybe you could make a top 10 of the criminals once you finish the series. Of course it would be more about picking favorites rather than character development like usual.
Already done something new it is coming later. But I am sure that will be done anyways. If a show makes my top 10 of all time I typically rank all the characters.
@@SimpleReactions Awesome! I hope you are including Criminal Minds: Evolution in your watch as well.
16:48 at this exact point, the father realized they have been found out.
The british flag (union jack) is used a lot in mainstream punk culture, so it's not that uncommon to find a shirt with the design in america especially when hot topic and other mall chains had their mid 2000s boom.
My day is always better when I get a Simple Reactions Criminal Minds notification❤️ Love this Episode everyone deserves closure. Also I Love Rossi😍
As much as this is a crime show, that moment when Kevin comes out of the shower with Rossi in the apartment is just so great.
I'm with JJ!
The reality of showering together never lives up to the fantasy.
You could do a top 5 characters. You don't have to of course just saying. I get what you are saying though the character lineup would probably not change much.
Already done something new it is coming later.
Garcia and Kevin sitting in a tree... Poor Reid. As a child prodigy who graduated high school at age 12, he missed out on a lot of common childhood experiences. I wish Prentiss had explained what the song meant instead of letting Reid hang.
I love Hotch and Reid scenes. Hotch is daddy, I'm sorry, I don't make the rules.
Bridgeport is an armpit of Connecticut
I’m from Connecticut and all I have to say is……..YUP
In my opinion it’s not the father fault
True but he would still be guilty
What about a top 10 memorable unsub? Just an idea. Is that something you already do? New to the channel 👋🏽
I love Reid!
I love the only a man would
My mom would spend like 30 bucks, but that was so three kids could 10 dollar worth of games
Sucks for agent Hotchner. I agree 👍 about blaming her. They've been together for years. You'd think she would be proud of the man he is. He's been this guy for a long time.
On the other side of it it's understandable to want someone home with you when you have a family. I think she will regret it when he finds someone else. I don't think he would do that being he wants his family but that door is WIDE OPEN with the signing of those divorce papers. 💔
you right is is her fault. although Hotch was not an FBI agent when they first married but that dose justify how see cheated on him and then when she was caught she blamed him and guilt tripped him in to believing it was his fault.
Haley never cheated on Hotch though? Did you even watch the show at all?
@@love2laugh22 Maybe with closed eyes and making headcanon.
@@love2laugh22there is a scene where there is a phone call that hangs up after hearing hotch’s voice and haley looks guilty after