Facts this is a hard watch smh.Mal got no common sense on any subjects coming to Joe. I don't watch the podcast but I can tell it's the same old emotions and to cool for school. Wish them the best
What are y'all talking about?! Mal was very PC. He made valid points. It's a conversation, just because he doesn't agree,. doesn't mean He's biased or being shady because it's Joe. The remaining two members of slaughterhouse should be able to profit off of a group they were apart of. Period
I'll forever respect Rory for the way he handles himself. Being able to take personal biases out of a situation and speak objectively about difficult topics is a rare trait today and Rory a master at it. Mal still childish as usual but Rory the one and the reason i still check in on this pod.
1,000% agree. At this point I don’t even think Mal believes his own stance. If it were the other 2 slaughter house members doing this I guarantee Mal’s stance would be the opposite
You also have to realize both Mal and Rory know way more about this situation than they speaking on... Hell Joe joked once on the old pod that Mal was the reason slaughter house broke up...
"My aura is beautiful" Turned out to be horseshit.. He throws shots every chance he gets but when the shit happened with JB and he should've talked, he had nothing to say
@@Wavy_Potts he used to be a real one on stream but I stopped taking him serious completely when he did his nails. How you gonna speak on being a real man, and have pink nails?
Scorned ex? Joe and Royce didn't want todo the album. Joel and Crooked went ahead and done one. They was offered the opportunity. Joe Budden is mad he can't control the other two that all.
Mal speaking nothing but facts, Sounds like Rory scared of speaking his mind imo, sounds like a bitch to me, how can you agree with both parties? One is right and one is wrong end of... Royce and Joe basically said fuck you to the fan base probably because they thought it wouldn't be profitable enough for them and now they're mad because Joell and Crook are trying to give something to the fans 🤷♂️
@@marcelmarshall4240 did not say they don’t have a right to use it. But Joe and Royce have a right to feel a way too, so Mal saying why they should not be upset comes from a place of not knowing shit about building something from its inception. Rory has a better understanding than Mal does
@@Stratagee6 maybe royce but joe is a big part of the reason the group is were it is today always beefing with people in his business circles and burning bridges that effect everyone else joe might have help build it but what does that mean if you set the shit alight
Mal is definitely sprinkling his own personal saltiness about Joe into this issue. Lol Crooked and Joell need to do their OWN thing and leave the Slaughterhouse brand alone. HOV made Roc Nation, Dame made Blaq Roc. Neither party said “Let’s publicly burn down Roc-A-Fella because we can’t work together anymore.”
@@jwayne817 so why not do it on there own album??? They already had done a record that didn’t have the slaughterhouse name or logo attached to it why do this now I can see if they had 3 of the 4 but this is not going to be anything but a diss record
Mal & joe were real friends who lived together compared to Rory & joe’s friendship. Mal always said he was operating on friendship over business for Rory prolly the same but the years were not there & he understands business is business and it is what it is.
@@GLIMPSE_00 Mal wasn't a real friend. Him taking subliminal shots at Joe's fanbase shows how he always felt about Joe Budden secretly. He showed this same animosity when he came out in the response video.
I liked Rory's objectivity. Mal's judgement is still a little clouded. But both sides of the argument are defendable. It comes down to contractual stuff When friends disagree, what is signed on a paper is all that can help.
Joe has literally told crook to his face Idgaf about contracts during their pull up. There were no possible solutions in the situation. I don't think they would go into this if they could face legal repercussions.
Well the burnt pig isn’t the pig and they aren’t going on a slaughterhouse run they are saying their peace on slaughterhouse. Their next album wont be slaughterhouse so they did nothing wrong. And as Rory said if anything they upped the value of slaughterhouse of actually rapping
The intro to the topic, the Segway into the details of the topic. It definitely sounded awkward. Like they weren’t supposed to be touching on the subject in the first place.
I love how Rory is able to have an objective conversation about the topic, it seems like Mal’s disdain for Joe is causing him to more biased towards the other 2.
Dre left NWA and created Aftermath, how wack would it be if he still used the NWA logo and brand without the crew. Rory and Mal managed to create their thing how dumb would it be if they still called themselves JPB or the new JPB, having ur personal brand developed is always the best thing and the least messy root to take.
Exactly! How hard is that to understand. You just can’t use that brand if the group is dismantled and all 4 members owned a portion. These Internet PODS think we are Dummies or something. SMH
At the 11:57 mark I agree with Rory. I think all of this “drama” will actually increase the value of the real Slaughterhouse group, music, Merch, and each individual artist solos in the future.
IVE said the same. Real SH fans want all 4 back together ALWAYS AND ESPECIALLY JOE lol SH fans are a hard-core group and will NEVER leave.. I'm speaking as one and if they made up and put out an Album it would EASILY be a Classic and possibly charted again lol Everybody wanna hear Joe rap again cmon lol 😆
Basically, slaughterhouse is all 4, if they want to make a group, call it two the hard way with your own logo and sell it. But to sell it as a slaughterhouse themed album airing out business, I can see Joe and Royce's point.
@Kyrian Washington 🤣 Its funny how folks don't see how this is Joe's fault. We've waited for years for one man who's said multiple times he's retired and doesn't wanna rap anymore. Now he wants to cry wolf bc some how you wanna rap 🤔
Listening to Mal, here, I can fully understand how little he understands business. He’s basically saying the legal side means nothing because someone who is an equal owner decides not to do a project so the other members can ignore the legal docs and do whatever they want. I think this entire take was a passive aggressive dig at joe specifically. Never thought I’d see the day. L
I was wondering why no discussion of the business side taking place in a minority of the conversation. If any. I stopped listening to the repeat of -I see both sides before this comment.
He gotta cut it out. I liked him but he changed before they left the pod. I feel like Rory worked real jobs before Mal doesn’t understand business. Why just because you know me you think we would be equal partners. They are not equal names The brand Joe Budden has had million in marketing dollars invested into his name and likeness. Then Joe gave these dudes a shot. I think they were just more so embarrassed. They found out Joe had a Spotify deal not them. Joe was telling them they legally can reuse the content to branch out. Joe tried to get these guys to have they own podcast for years why are we avoiding that?
Sure you make some fair points and they acknowledged some of those, but it's beyond business, Joe leveraged there friendship to take advantage of them and keep them in his box, when they got hip to the play is when the issue started way before it got to the public, and they have to take accountability for trusting in someone they though was a friend in business, Joe is a master deceiver you can hear it every time he speaks, both things can be true, the fact they didn't handle business because they allowed themselves to be blind to who Joe truly is a snake because he got snaked
Rory is being honest about how he feels business should be done. He's talking brand ownership and visibility. Mal sounds like he is still on his "F Joe" bag.
I see a lot of weirdos online that must let people take advantage of them and go about they’re happy way. And until Royce and Joe successfully win a legal battle it’s all just opinion. Nobody on here presides over court cases.
Joe told these 2 that Slaughterhouse was dead 3 years ago on his podcast so Royce saying he's waiting for Joe is a cop out. One of the founding partners in my firm left and his actual name is still on the door. it is what it is, keep it moving.
Mal was also the same one when joe said he had to keep the show going that he thought that was suckua shit, and that he believed if one part of the group wasn’t there that the show should be stopped until everything was resolved, but that’s us Humans being hypocritical at our finest
@@babufits1584 Royce made it clear to every party that if one part was missing no matter who, that it would not be a slaughterhouse album, he has been very consistent
and royce said it was also dead. So them getting mad right now is stupid. A fan EVEN retweeted Royce's "SH is dead" tweet back at him and royce tried to spin it as something else.
Rory handled this with class. Joe said after the breakup they still converse but he’ll never speak on their conversations. Mal is holding on to his hurt/grudge I will observingly say slightly. Glad they both spoke on it.
It’s important to mention that Rory is the younger person by 9 or 10 years speaking with a mindset that 40 YEAR OLD Mal still can’t seem to get past. It’s sad to see actually
A point that everyone is missing, if u decided to retire without taking into consideration the group, u have no claim on what the group is doing moving on.
They clearly didnt wanna do it. Joe has been saying for years he has retired from rap, I don't see why that would only apply to his personal career and not also Slaughterhouse. Joell and Crook both say Royce then said he wouldn't do it without Joe and Royce didnt seem to disagree with that statement, so they really showed through their actions (and even their words) that they werent going to do it.
@@cnsmooth facts....and then Crook went and got them what he claims to be a fire deal and still nothing. Joe always says on his pod that he don't rap anymore. Royce said he don't wanna do it without Joe. Seems fairly clear to me. Sad, but clear!
@@foursup3139 and they were off shady and he was still dragging his feet. Nothing n about his actions show he wanted to rap and he didn't call Crooked to discuss it despite saying he would. He would've left them in limbo for years whilst he was collecting his pod money
yeah I think Joe mention like if Mal and Rory didn't show are we supposed to not do the show since you guys didn't show up. thats why he called ice and ish
also gotta realize him and joe go way further back then rorys relationship with joe. it takes time, just because he is in the public eye with this podcast you cant put a time limit on his dealing with his own emotions
Joe: I'm retired. Royce: I'm not doing it without Joe. Joel & Crook: Royce & Joe: HOW DARE YOU WHEN DID WE SAY WE AIN'T WANNA DO IT? 😂😂😂😂😂 Gaslighting LEVEL 9000
I can’t be around ppl like that. I been knew about Joe, but noticed Royce was the same way during the whole Mickey Factz situation. I don’t understand how anyone n their right mind would do business with either one of them, esp Joe Budden foh
Bruh, that live with Joe and Royce... They gaslit the fuck outta Joell! They were so condescending and dismissive. I 100% expected that from Joe, but not Royce. Shit was sad.
For someone who says he doesn’t care about a lot of things, and acts as if he lets things go… Mal really does hold on to a lot. He sounded salty as hell during this
Bruh Joe tried to make it seem like Mal was a total weirdo and creep. He told the world when everyone was looking that Mal hides laundry detergent lmao. Mal got free shots for life.
@Gabriel Ybarra Joe is a self proclaimed hater. He’s also a cornball. All these dudes are cornballs. I want to be entertained. That’s all I care about.
They're both right but Rory's more right. Ethics and legality are two different things. For the purposes of the slaughterhouse situation, legality should prevail.
Joe’s reason is because the “business needs to be right” with Slaughter house…. Mal and Roy left because the “business wasn’t right” Mal definitely still salty.
Joe's business never is right he got a crazy history remember when they did their first episode rory was saying people were asking them why are yall going into business with Joe at that same time joe was being asked to honor his shady contract by crook
@@henkhenkste6076 I don't know. Rory and Mal both had two different friendships with Joe. Mal lived with Joe, and Rory was buying outfits for Joe's son out of love for his friend. So, I can't say who got betrayed more.
@@juviethegroovy facts a real nigga would have been over that shit a week later like when mall told joe he gave him 7 days to get over his break up with cyn
Mal refusing to remove his personal emotions from it all and objectively view the ENTIRE picture is very telling. Guarantee you if the pod had his name in it and after everything blew up, Joe went selling merch with his likeness and whatnot all over it then he would be singing a completely different tune.
Even starlito and don trip... star said we may fall out but we never switch sides ... its hard to keep a group together... shit my group did the same thing people went they way and we nobody's that was tryna get there like a million different people smh said
The Lox was Day 1 neggas tho Royce & Joe & Crook were all successful solo MC’s the weakest link in that group has always been Joel who’s the loudest of em all & really needs to eat because the other 3 Names are already a brand at this point Joel needs this nobody else
This is two grown men disagreeing and not speaking over each other trying to get their points across and it's nice to hear, funny thing seeing mals feet reach the ground 😄
@@Based_Proletariat he can feel the way he does about HIS situation, however letting it bleed into situations that have nothing to do with you is just plain being a man scorned.
Mal a whole child. He NEVER understood business and a lot of y’all acted like he was some big Mogul. He moves off emotion only. Rory calculated, and something business people can respect.
Mal is in his feelings as always, I love how objective Rory's mind is. His opinion is not based on his relations & connection to knowing them and joe. He's alot more mature than his older co-worker.
What situation was similar to this with jay when someone retired and someone else didn’t want to do something unless the person who retired is part of it
@@kjj2656 not the retirement part but the brand part. When Dame didn't wanna split Roc but Jay didn't wanna stay on Roc and go become president of def jam. Splitting the artist from roc between Jay and Dame its part of how Beans and the falling out
I'm actually more a Mal guy than Rory. For the first time I can honestly say Mal sounded like a clown and can totally see how he might not understand business. That grown man CLEARLY still holds a grudge against Joe and on this specific topic sounds crazy (no pun).
Yea Mal forsure sounded burnt out. Like Rory said just go rap bro. You don't have to name your album this or put the slaughterhouse logo thats really corney
I just listened to an hour and a half IG live where Joe asked questions, deflected questions and called ppl names. He gave NO new info. He seemed completely unable to defend himself 🤷🏽♀️
I wanna say, I didn't think these two could make an actually dope podcast. But they're pulling it off! I'm super happy to see this, honestly! There's a lot less screaming and bitching about things, a lot less cutting people off mid-sentence and it works!
its a creative and respectful way to end it on a positive note for the fans. much respect to crook and joel.....its a piece of creative art with a purpose....i like the first 2 tracks already!
@@bammymaxwell2587 it’s has nothing to do with a superiority complex stop the projecting. This is simply about men who used to collaborate 2 of them have found success doing others things and the other two are caught up on something that never happened. They reasons why are irrelevant. You “fans” are selfish and only care to consume music this shit is the corniest shit in hip hop. Move on and stop trying to win off the strength of another man
@treesh slayer ice n ish didn’t let Joe pop off on the last pod. Wym? I don’t have their Patreon then idc if they funny there. The new mal pod way better
Mal is a good dude but when it comes to anything joe he can't be objective. Any human could see how joe and royce would feel a way about the situation.
Normally when a partnership is dissolved (in companies) the remaining members that wish to keep moving forward with the company have to "buy out" the ones that wish to leave. Essentially paying them for the rights to the creative control and actual control of the company they all created together.
Mal is makin NO sense on this. And I’m not even a Joe Fan, idk why he acting like he don’t get it. Don’t use a brand that you own 25% of if the other owners don’t wanna do it, make your own brand that you do own more of Why is that hard to get?
@@jonathanjacobs1870 that is literally how business work lmao you clearly don’t know business. You can’t make decisions without the other owners voice. If they are equal owners of something you can sue.
Unfortunately brother that’s not how law or finically obligated businesses work. i.e. If and individual retires owning 1/4 of a company and the 3 remaining parties discuss potential business moves 2/3 out number the remaining parties.
Mal always did that tho. He strings three statements together that mean the same shit and it always sound like he saying some profound shit. Shit like "He's making more money now, he's in a different place in his life, he's successful, no longer struggling...."
I just want to see him and Rory win and you can tell that hes not taking it as serious as he should…..like he can just cool his way into a successful podcast. Say what you want to about Joe, but he knows how to entertain and articulate himself well even if hes full of shit most of the time
Agreed but the fact that Joe and Royce would take that stance, when they made it known they weren’t interested in doing anymore work with the slaughterhouse brand is bogus. Talk about being spiteful, Joel and Crooked are in a creative space and what to give something to the fans using the name, I really can’t see the issue. Speaks to both Joe and Royces character. Joe is a selfish person that doesn’t consider other people’s positions, and Royce is a follower that never has a mind of his own (he’d follow Em into molten furnace without even thinking).
First off look at what you just did within the last three years to Mo😈 and Rory he literally said on live with Ortiz I am bigger than slaughterhouse he didn't say that in totality but it came out of his mouth And not to mention one Ortiz said even if you don't want to be part of the album just support it because you're a part of the household mean Joe literally told Ortiz to suck his dick I don't think the public needs to know any more behind that Joe has said and done enough over the past five years to the point where I'm not surprised at anything he does
All I know when Joell asked Joe who owns the logo Joe? Joe B kept quiet. Joe burned the house down once he told Joell that their new album can SMD.... And If they was friends...He definitely ruined that!!!!!!
@@dretheman123 then you can’t call it slaughterhouse. They can be creative and give their duo a new name. The thing y’all all miss is Joe literally started it on own of his albums. He does have a little more say than the others
@@shadyshady3390 it is slaughter house put it like this if stephen curry say I want nothing to do with the Warriors anymore guess what the time waits for no man. This goes back to something mal said, jir never got attention like this as a rapper so u dealing with a different animal right now so his head is in a different atmosphere now. So you can't say that, joe didnt create slaughter house just because he dont want nothing to so with the name dont mean shit most likely he might take joell and crooked to court the way he movin
@Captain Anarchy they are selling merch with the SH branding. They are profiting off the name. Petty sure but from a business standpoint, it's a slippery slope.
Mal is speaking from a respective, integrity , character base while Rory is being understanding, devils advocate and logic wise both are very good places along with reasonable honestly
Rory understands things like this happen in life, and dealt with it already. Mal's either still processing it, doesn't know how to process it, or actually fucking hates Joe and doesn't care to process it.
I was listening to the pod for MAL in the environment of the others. Now it’s seems a bit bitter, people grow man geez … and people are checking for Slaughterhouse if they drop.
Mal definitely is still holding onto some unsavory feelings. It’s painfully obvious. Comes off a little bitter. I can appreciate Rory’s take on the situation especially considering that Joe and Royce said that Joe never turned it down, he just had some additional questions and wanted to see the paperwork. Royce said he wasn’t doing it without all the members.
I only clicked on this video because I knew it was impossible for these two to talk about the topic without their issues with Joe leaking in and the rest of you all are complaining about that energy. I came here for that energy, and I got what I came for so thanks.
Mr. "I don't owe my friends respect" shouldn't feel any type of way about what Crook & Joell are doing. Didn't Joe also say on one of his pods something like "I take full responsibility for the demise of Slaughterhouse"? Joe and royce both already said the group was over years ago.
He said the last part on episode 177 when he was dissing Em. The 1st part was episode 420 something when Rory and Mal 1st came back and discussed their fallout. Honestly when he said he didn’t owe his friends respect, Mr. “Integrity” Mal shoulda left then. He was so quiet when I go back and listen. He said respect like 30x that’s it.
i don't get all these comments calling Mal childish and shit, dude is making perfect sense. it's okay to have different opinions than the rest of the crowd, especially when you can clearly justify your position.
As a person who have been in bands, if you don't want to do it anymore you get replaced the band name doesn't change. And you ain't getting paid when a band shirt sales with the band name
Lets be honest, as great as Joell and Crook are as MC's, "Slaughterhouse" is the FAR larger draw in this "attention-economy." Them naming the album what they did is the REASON the album is such a current topic of convo. BRILLIANT marketing. 👏
Exactly! And the way they went about (regardless of how anyone feels about it), they left room for an even greater marketing strategy for all of them to win off of it.
In my opinion, Mal is 100% correct on this one. If you own a copyright, trademark, etc. jointly any one of you can do whatever you want with that product. You will have to give a percentage to the other owner(s), but you can use, market or sell the product.
So by your example, let say I partly own Tesla or Apple. I can go and do a bunch of fuckery with the brand and logo because I partly own it without asking the other owners? That's kinda ridiculous logic.
@@NasirAlly It’s not logic, it’s the law. If you “jointly” own a copyright or trademark you can do whatever you want with it…(you may have to share profits though) If one of the joint owners is doing something that causes brand confusion or damages what’s called the “good will” of your company you can take it to court. But, just be clear, you will have to go to court and win the case to stop the person.
@@BTCBlizzy That is not the law. A lot of people think that but it’s not true. The only way you all have to agree is if you have a separate contract that actually says you must agree before that intellectual property can be used…And even then most people include a clause that says you must be reasonable in making the decision to agree or disagree. That clause is used to stop people from just refusing without a good reason.
i think rory makes a good point but mals argument is just a bit stronger in my opinion. these 2 guys (joe, royce) moved on and havent showed interest in keeping the brand up, and they are successful alone why would you be mad at something that you turned down over years? i mean i get that they dont feel good about it but they gotta swallow it (pause) as they had all chances to be a part of it
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Shoutout to Rory for being unbiased.
Exactly cause Mal being very bias atp. He's speaking from hurt or something cause he can't believe what he's saying. Mal better than this frfr.
Facts this is a hard watch smh.Mal got no common sense on any subjects coming to Joe. I don't watch the podcast but I can tell it's the same old emotions and to cool for school. Wish them the best
Rory actually being PROFESSIONAL
@@tashalove439 ayo Tasha, how much for u too Ride my Meat Package until the sauce blasts out like water from a broken fire hydrant
What are y'all talking about?! Mal was very PC. He made valid points. It's a conversation, just because he doesn't agree,. doesn't mean He's biased or being shady because it's Joe. The remaining two members of slaughterhouse should be able to profit off of a group they were apart of. Period
“Nobody wins when the Family Feuds.”
Never was family
Especially when they are the same hue as you
Periodt
They aren't family though they are just friends and not even friends they are industry friends and when money and Ego's get involved it's a wrap!
@@anthonyarcanumsanctumregnu9551 Do you know them?
Rory handled this really maturely lmao, Mal acting zesty as hell
Word!! He sassy as hell
He turned into a chick in this interview..... disgusting
As he should. Screw Joe!
Zesty 😄
Lmao
You can tell Mal holds a grudge against Joe 😂
I would too
Warranted tho
@@FrugalFa 100%
@@FrugalFa I disagree because he's giving us female tendencies. Not a good look coming from the man he claims to be
@@amareshkaimal2972 I don't see why
I'll forever respect Rory for the way he handles himself. Being able to take personal biases out of a situation and speak objectively about difficult topics is a rare trait today and Rory a master at it. Mal still childish as usual but Rory the one and the reason i still check in on this pod.
Big facts!
Yea mal is super biased on this topic🤦🏽♂️
1,000% agree. At this point I don’t even think Mal believes his own stance. If it were the other 2 slaughter house members doing this I guarantee Mal’s stance would be the opposite
You also have to realize both Mal and Rory know way more about this situation than they speaking on... Hell Joe joked once on the old pod that Mal was the reason slaughter house broke up...
With Mal being like 40, you would expect him to be able to take his own personal emotions out of a debate about legal circumstances
People don’t realize Mal & Joe were actually friends Rory & Joe were business partners
Not necessarily, Joe and Rory met 4 years before they even started business dealings together
@@ashleyb4549 yeahhh Rory and Joe were friends not like Joe and Mal but they hung out and was there for each other
It’s more like this. Rory and Joe were friends. Mal and Joe were friends and were very close and even lived together.
Bro Mal was in them old love and hip hop episodes he was Joe’s friend since before the podcast
@@MyWORDisntGospel Mal used to treat Rory like trash for the first hundred episodes .
Mal taking words too literally, he knows exactly what Rory's perspective is. Hope you find the peace you need Mal
"My aura is beautiful"
Turned out to be horseshit.. He throws shots every chance he gets but when the shit happened with JB and he should've talked, he had nothing to say
😂😂
@@Wavy_Potts he used to be a real one on stream but I stopped taking him serious completely when he did his nails.
How you gonna speak on being a real man, and have pink nails?
Mal always been corny like that
@@nxt1990 his nails are naturally pink lol. He doesn't add paint
I appreciate Rory for his mature and unbiased take.
I appreciate Mal for stating FACTS.
@@TGA19 lmaoo
@@bringinthedope5929 I appreciate this Cocaine I'm bout too Cook rn into Crack Rock oh I'm more then thankful
@@TGA19 how is he stating facts?? He sounds salty if anything
@@louvelazquez2373 Because the other three guys have just as much right to slaughterhouse as Joe does.
For Mal to forever play the cool card, he’s not even trying to hide his biased in this clip. Demaris, grab that gross trophy off the nightstand. 😂😂😂
Rory's professionalism & objectivity shines through while Mal's literally playing the scorned ex
He attempted to not show the jadedness at least, he did his best. Things take time to mend especially when its that close
Scorned ex? Joe and Royce didn't want todo the album. Joel and Crooked went ahead and done one. They was offered the opportunity. Joe Budden is mad he can't control the other two that all.
Why he gotta be playing upset ex… why he can’t have his opinion. I fully agree with Mal.
He is human right?
Mal speaking nothing but facts, Sounds like Rory scared of speaking his mind imo, sounds like a bitch to me, how can you agree with both parties? One is right and one is wrong end of... Royce and Joe basically said fuck you to the fan base probably because they thought it wouldn't be profitable enough for them and now they're mad because Joell and Crook are trying to give something to the fans 🤷♂️
Mal sounds like the guy who never started a business from the ground up, and been a boss. And he definitely throwing personal shit in there.
It's just entertainment.
Mal is right. No saltiness. Blacks always take the side of the more popular parties. They have a right to use it, if they are owners. Period.
@@marcelmarshall4240 did not say they don’t have a right to use it. But Joe and Royce have a right to feel a way too, so Mal saying why they should not be upset comes from a place of not knowing shit about building something from its inception. Rory has a better understanding than Mal does
@@marcelmarshall4240 nah when multiple owners are involved majority have to agree.
@@Stratagee6 maybe royce but joe is a big part of the reason the group is were it is today always beefing with people in his business circles and burning bridges that effect everyone else joe might have help build it but what does that mean if you set the shit alight
A person’s PRIDE and EGO will always be their biggest enemy
Mal is definitely sprinkling his own personal saltiness about Joe into this issue. Lol Crooked and Joell need to do their OWN thing and leave the Slaughterhouse brand alone. HOV made Roc Nation, Dame made Blaq Roc. Neither party said “Let’s publicly burn down Roc-A-Fella because we can’t work together anymore.”
They have, but they wanted to give fans closure which the other two didn't want to do.
It makes complete sense to not want to drop something you built just because someone else who helped dropped out of it tho.
Facts
They have been quite about the business for 10 years ...this is for the fans of the house it's not a f.u. diss it's a bio about it
@@jwayne817 so why not do it on there own album??? They already had done a record that didn’t have the slaughterhouse name or logo attached to it why do this now I can see if they had 3 of the 4 but this is not going to be anything but a diss record
I see why rory is more at peace than mal. Rory actually understands business
he’s an ex (pause)…he’s an ex friend. his perspective is solely from that 🤷🏾♂️
Mal has a valid reason to still feel how he feels tbh … Rory & Joe was nowhere near as close as Mal & Joe were
Mal & joe were real friends who lived together compared to Rory & joe’s friendship. Mal always said he was operating on friendship over business for Rory prolly the same but the years were not there & he understands business is business and it is what it is.
@@GLIMPSE_00 Mal wasn't a real friend. Him taking subliminal shots at Joe's fanbase shows how he always felt about Joe Budden secretly. He showed this same animosity when he came out in the response video.
@@cbenji07 very true very true, I always felt like they always just had that tension even before this
That detergent line really hurt Mal, he needs to "wash" his hands with the Joe situation 😭😭
Booooo😂
It was too petty not to be true
It's definitely true which hurts more
I see what you did here.🤣🤣
Especially if he’s talking about thumb being in asses like whaaa ?
I liked Rory's objectivity. Mal's judgement is still a little clouded. But both sides of the argument are defendable. It comes down to contractual stuff
When friends disagree, what is signed on a paper is all that can help.
The words “does something to you” Joe didn’t do anything to you
@@Qleverett didn’t pay him what he’s contractually owed
It'd be weird for Joe to start caring about what a contract says when he said the things he said to crooked on their pull up interview.
Joe has literally told crook to his face Idgaf about contracts during their pull up. There were no possible solutions in the situation. I don't think they would go into this if they could face legal repercussions.
Well the burnt pig isn’t the pig and they aren’t going on a slaughterhouse run they are saying their peace on slaughterhouse. Their next album wont be slaughterhouse so they did nothing wrong. And as Rory said if anything they upped the value of slaughterhouse of actually rapping
Hearing Rory and Mal speaking on anything Joe related is weird now lol
The intro to the topic, the Segway into the details of the topic. It definitely sounded awkward. Like they weren’t supposed to be touching on the subject in the first place.
Weird asl
You can tell how hard they tried to not say his name lol
Mad Facts
Mal & Rory both fully understand business, but I can completely understand why this cuts deeper for Mal. We’re all human, it makes total sense.
MAL IN HIS FEELING, CAUSE DAME TRIED TO DO THIS EXACT SAME SHIT AND HE SIDED WITH HOV AND HIS BROTHER
Facts!! That’s exactly he saying what he saying.. his view his shady and bias
🤔
Damn he sided with his own brother damn how surprising the fuck
@@kjj2656 shit went over your head huh and you cherrypicked
*gasp*Mal not being objective when it comes to Jay? Has that ever happened before?
If Slaughterhouse did music tomorrow id cop, and if they did a show Id go.
I'll go work
Id rather work
It's over
100%
Man no cares bro lmao why is this a comment
I love how Rory is able to have an objective conversation about the topic, it seems like Mal’s disdain for Joe is causing him to more biased towards the other 2.
Nah, you leave your boys behind and don’t want them to get they money without you. They all grown men. They can do what they want
@@jackstone77 facts
That’s what makes a good podcast 🤷🏽♂️
Nah you just don't agree with mal so you have to make up shit to discredit him
@@omari436 fam this is like the 3rd comment u said this on. mal get off ya burner my g
The answer to Mals question is yes, you never attack, you move on from the brand that you 4 created and go make your own
Dre left NWA and created Aftermath, how wack would it be if he still used the NWA logo and brand without the crew.
Rory and Mal managed to create their thing how dumb would it be if they still called themselves JPB or the new JPB, having ur personal brand developed is always the best thing and the least messy root to take.
@@glcsander exactly
Exactly! How hard is that to understand. You just can’t use that brand if the group is dismantled and all 4 members owned a portion. These Internet PODS think we are Dummies or something. SMH
@@bzharris3040 Mal is bitter because of what happen between Joe and him
Bingo
At the 11:57 mark I agree with Rory. I think all of this “drama” will actually increase the value of the real Slaughterhouse group, music, Merch, and each individual artist solos in the future.
IVE said the same. Real SH fans want all 4 back together ALWAYS AND ESPECIALLY JOE lol SH fans are a hard-core group and will NEVER leave.. I'm speaking as one and if they made up and put out an Album it would EASILY be a Classic and possibly charted again lol Everybody wanna hear Joe rap again cmon lol 😆
I'm with Rory in agreeing the value went up to come back better then ever
They could capitalize crazy off of this if they could just work together one more time
For 1 album only
Rory def has a better understanding of this situation.
Basically, slaughterhouse is all 4, if they want to make a group, call it two the hard way with your own logo and sell it. But to sell it as a slaughterhouse themed album airing out business, I can see Joe and Royce's point.
Agreed
@@kyrianb naaa mal is right if they approached them 2 about doing it and them not wanting to then its ok to use the brand name
That’s always lol. Mal is a tad dense
@Kyrian Washington 🤣 Its funny how folks don't see how this is Joe's fault. We've waited for years for one man who's said multiple times he's retired and doesn't wanna rap anymore. Now he wants to cry wolf bc some how you wanna rap 🤔
Listening to Mal, here, I can fully understand how little he understands business. He’s basically saying the legal side means nothing because someone who is an equal owner decides not to do a project so the other members can ignore the legal docs and do whatever they want. I think this entire take was a passive aggressive dig at joe specifically. Never thought I’d see the day. L
I was wondering why no discussion of the business side taking place in a minority of the conversation. If any. I stopped listening to the repeat of -I see both sides before this comment.
He gotta cut it out. I liked him but he changed before they left the pod. I feel like Rory worked real jobs before Mal doesn’t understand business. Why just because you know me you think we would be equal partners. They are not equal names The brand Joe Budden has had million in marketing dollars invested into his name and likeness. Then Joe gave these dudes a shot. I think they were just more so embarrassed. They found out Joe had a Spotify deal not them. Joe was telling them they legally can reuse the content to branch out. Joe tried to get these guys to have they own podcast for years why are we avoiding that?
Sure you make some fair points and they acknowledged some of those, but it's beyond business, Joe leveraged there friendship to take advantage of them and keep them in his box, when they got hip to the play is when the issue started way before it got to the public, and they have to take accountability for trusting in someone they though was a friend in business, Joe is a master deceiver you can hear it every time he speaks, both things can be true, the fact they didn't handle business because they allowed themselves to be blind to who Joe truly is a snake because he got snaked
Well joe doesn't honor contracts so if it's true then so can Crook & Joell & they can do their own thing.
Joe's word means very little if he sued for anything. He said he "breaks contracts all the time" so he should not have any problem with this record.
Rory playing devil's advocate is understandable because they are both right.
Rory wanna be a nigga
Idk if I wait for you to do something for years... Eventually imma just do what I want
Rory’s was right.
Legally yes. Morally no. Joe has a lane. He clearly hasn’t been interested. Let them do their thing and salute them.
I don’t know, I feel like Rory got the Stockholm syndrome when it comes to Joe Budden…
Rory is being honest about how he feels business should be done. He's talking brand ownership and visibility. Mal sounds like he is still on his "F Joe" bag.
Perfectly said I agree lol
A bitter ex lmao
That's ok.
I Agree
I see a lot of weirdos online that must let people take advantage of them and go about they’re happy way. And until Royce and Joe successfully win a legal battle it’s all just opinion. Nobody on here presides over court cases.
Mal was mad at Joe for having Ice and Ish filling in for him before they finally left the pod, so he really contradicting himself.
THAT part!!
Bump
Facts!!
Mal is a sucker lol
Mind fucking blowing
Joe told these 2 that Slaughterhouse was dead 3 years ago on his podcast so Royce saying he's waiting for Joe is a cop out. One of the founding partners in my firm left and his actual name is still on the door. it is what it is, keep it moving.
Mal was also the same one when joe said he had to keep the show going that he thought that was suckua shit, and that he believed if one part of the group wasn’t there that the show should be stopped until everything was resolved, but that’s us Humans being hypocritical at our finest
Super cop out. He clearly was NOT with the shits and used Joe as an excuse.
@@babufits1584 Royce made it clear to every party that if one part was missing no matter who, that it would not be a slaughterhouse album, he has been very consistent
and royce said it was also dead. So them getting mad right now is stupid. A fan EVEN retweeted Royce's "SH is dead" tweet back at him and royce tried to spin it as something else.
@@kosisoonwordi8455 you joe stans are THE worst. two completely different situations, nobody ever said they didnt want to pod no more
Rory handled this with class. Joe said after the breakup they still converse but he’ll never speak on their conversations. Mal is holding on to his hurt/grudge I will observingly say slightly. Glad they both spoke on it.
It’s important to mention that Rory is the younger person by 9 or 10 years speaking with a mindset that 40 YEAR OLD Mal still can’t seem to get past. It’s sad to see actually
They have Right to name it whatever they want
A point that everyone is missing, if u decided to retire without taking into consideration the group, u have no claim on what the group is doing moving on.
🎯🎯🎯
Yeah everyone is calling mal childish & they may be true but Joe’s decision to retire shouldn’t impact the others
REALIST COMMENT IN THIS COMMENT SECTION
Legally he does
@@nicoclipz91 that kind of legal stuff is more or less arbitrary. Fuck what a piece of paper says
i love mal but he’s totally being biased towards the other side due to his dislike with joe.
You don't agree with him so you're just saying he's bias without any proof to discredit him.
doesnt change the fact that he is right
Lol. When someone shows you who they are, you damn right you gonna be biased! It’s a pattern
Mal still the scorned ex I see, despite being the “cool no beef” guy
Glad Rory kept it professional/objective
Mal is definitely still in his feelings. I'm glad one of them had the maturity to think objectively
He Really Is Smfh like woww
Thought was the only one who noticed
Of course he’s in his feelings, Joe was his friend for like 15 years.
He’s been in his feelings.. won’t ever leave it.
He is 100% in his feelings 😂😂😂
Joe and Royce: When did we say we didn't wanna do it?
Joell: with your actions.
Joe and Royce: Yeah, but when did we *SAY* we didn't wanna do it.
They clearly didnt wanna do it. Joe has been saying for years he has retired from rap, I don't see why that would only apply to his personal career and not also Slaughterhouse. Joell and Crook both say Royce then said he wouldn't do it without Joe and Royce didnt seem to disagree with that statement, so they really showed through their actions (and even their words) that they werent going to do it.
@@cnsmooth facts....and then Crook went and got them what he claims to be a fire deal and still nothing. Joe always says on his pod that he don't rap anymore. Royce said he don't wanna do it without Joe. Seems fairly clear to me. Sad, but clear!
@@cnsmooth he said on the live he would tell the fans he was retired but he was waiting for the right situation
@@cnsmooth Joe said on the live I tell the public I’m retired but I’ve always told the group not until we’re off shady .
@@foursup3139 and they were off shady and he was still dragging his feet. Nothing n about his actions show he wanted to rap and he didn't call Crooked to discuss it despite saying he would. He would've left them in limbo for years whilst he was collecting his pod money
Mal " if you don't wanna be a part of something, what I'm supposed to do let it die?" could've sworn Joe asked him these exact words.
Which one do you agree with?
yeah I think Joe mention like if Mal and Rory didn't show are we supposed to not do the show since you guys didn't show up. thats why he called ice and ish
Seems Like Joe Really hurt Mal
You don't agree with him so you're just saying he's bias without any proof to discredit him.
I mean he knew Joe the longest... They were actual roommates back in the day
Mal is definitely still holding onto what happened between him and Joe. Everything he’s saying u can tell is personal for him
yea a long time friend treat you like that you don't forgive and forget easy
also gotta realize him and joe go way further back then rorys relationship with joe. it takes time, just because he is in the public eye with this podcast you cant put a time limit on his dealing with his own emotions
Still tho, he's stating facts. The fans deserve closure and I'm glad that they're trying to do that.
Of course why wouldn’t it be
I watched this and Mal has to move on! On the other hand it's funny hearing Mal talk so much! Dude spent the 1st two years on his phone on the JBP.
Facts
get Crooked and Joell on the show to speak their piece
That would be WILD
That would be good
Corny
Naw that’s going to be a bad look. Especially long term
It’s a bad idea. JBP stans will try to spin that as an anti-Joe Budden campaign.
Joe: I'm retired.
Royce: I'm not doing it without Joe.
Joel & Crook:
Royce & Joe: HOW DARE YOU WHEN DID WE SAY WE AIN'T WANNA DO IT?
😂😂😂😂😂 Gaslighting LEVEL 9000
I can’t be around ppl like that. I been knew about Joe, but noticed Royce was the same way during the whole Mickey Factz situation. I don’t understand how anyone n their right mind would do business with either one of them, esp Joe Budden foh
Bruh, that live with Joe and Royce...
They gaslit the fuck outta Joell!
They were so condescending and dismissive.
I 100% expected that from Joe, but not Royce. Shit was sad.
@@babufits1584 yeah man, they ganged up on Mickey Factz the same way. Das why he cooked Royce with “Wraith” lol
I wish Crook was there. It would have been a different live completely.
Joe was gonna come back to rap
For someone who says he doesn’t care about a lot of things, and acts as if he lets things go… Mal really does hold on to a lot. He sounded salty as hell during this
Bruh Joe tried to make it seem like Mal was a total weirdo and creep. He told the world when everyone was looking that Mal hides laundry detergent lmao. Mal got free shots for life.
Literally every human being that swears they let things go never let things go..
Seeing Rory like this you can see how Joe needed someone like him by his side to not be a yes man lol.
He doesn’t have yes Men now🤷🏽♀️
@@nicolebabi1314 ok
@@aparedes1122 honestly that’s what I enjoy. They will actually never agree 75% of the time.
@@nicolebabi1314 ish definitely really challenges joe
@@nicolebabi1314 🧢
They should try to get Joel and Crooked on the Podcast. That would be epic!
Best comment. Would be big and beneficial for everybody, even Joe lmao.
@Gabriel Ybarra 🤣🤣🤣
That would be lame as hell lol
@Gabriel Ybarra Joe is a self proclaimed hater. He’s also a cornball. All these dudes are cornballs. I want to be entertained. That’s all I care about.
@Gabriel Ybarra corny is you and joe's assssss 🤣and joe's rejects ? wtf is that ? you must have podcasts in your mp3 😂
They're both right but Rory's more right. Ethics and legality are two different things. For the purposes of the slaughterhouse situation, legality should prevail.
Mal isn’t right at all lol.
Joe’s reason is because the “business needs to be right” with Slaughter house…. Mal and Roy left because the “business wasn’t right”
Mal definitely still salty.
Joe's business never is right he got a crazy history remember when they did their first episode rory was saying people were asking them why are yall going into business with Joe at that same time joe was being asked to honor his shady contract by crook
Funny how it comes full circle!
I really respect Rory being able to address Joe by his name. That's growth. Mal still on some elementary shit.
Mal got betrayed way harder than Rory though
hes a child,40 years old still pretending he dont dye his beard
@@henkhenkste6076 I don't know. Rory and Mal both had two different friendships with Joe. Mal lived with Joe, and Rory was buying outfits for Joe's son out of love for his friend. So, I can't say who got betrayed more.
@@shesbaldbutiwould Mal pretends not to do a lot of things. We all know better tho... Lol
@@hovae10 i know,40 years old though smh
6:52 is Why Mal is Mal 💯
Split the name with the partnership... 2 dudes be The Slaughter 2 dudes be The House lol
😂😂😂
I never thought I’d see the day where cool Mal is bitter
i don’t see why he can’t be. i think he’s obligated to plus rory is being the devils advocate & lets face it they both have the right to.
@@Fac333 That makes no sense
@@juviethegroovy facts a real nigga would have been over that shit a week later like when mall told joe he gave him 7 days to get over his break up with cyn
It’s very obvious
@@juviethegroovy Mal & joe were damn near brothers the all those years down the drain over money yeah hes gonna be bitter ?
Mal refusing to remove his personal emotions from it all and objectively view the ENTIRE picture is very telling.
Guarantee you if the pod had his name in it and after everything blew up, Joe went selling merch with his likeness and whatnot all over it then he would be singing a completely different tune.
Seeing groups break up makes me appreciate what the LOX has done for so many years. Some of the cliques in Wu too like Rae and Ghost, Meth and Red ❤💪🏿
Even starlito and don trip... star said we may fall out but we never switch sides ... its hard to keep a group together... shit my group did the same thing people went they way and we nobody's that was tryna get there like a million different people smh said
The Lox was Day 1 neggas tho Royce & Joe & Crook were all successful solo MC’s the weakest link in that group has always been Joel who’s the loudest of em all & really needs to eat because the other 3 Names are already a brand at this point Joel needs this nobody else
Mal's wrong. We care. We locked in.
Mal understands nothing about ownership & even less about creativity. This conversation makes that abundantly clear.
Thank u
People get it
If it was anyone else Mal would call it a nasty rolllout.
Big facts 😂
This is two grown men disagreeing and not speaking over each other trying to get their points across and it's nice to hear, funny thing seeing mals feet reach the ground 😄
and done on SOCIAL MEDIA. I'm sick of old heads down talking the younger generation due to social media when they themselves indulge in it
Based on how Rory Is talking. Him abs Joe are going to end up doing something together again. 😂😂😂😂
Rory being unbiased was respectable. Mal on the other hand made this personal.
You have to factor in that Joe and Mals relationship goes back further and cuts a lot deeper. You have to see that…
He has the right to feel the way he does.
Rory def being the voice of reason, that being said.... I can't blame Mal for acting the way he does. Fuck Budden lol
@@Based_Proletariat he can feel the way he does about HIS situation, however letting it bleed into situations that have nothing to do with you is just plain being a man scorned.
He a goofy
Lemme just say, class act for speaking on this at all.
💯
Class act for speaking on your enemy? How? Thats low hanging fruit if anything
@@ddelsur2694 😂😂
Mal a whole child. He NEVER understood business and a lot of y’all acted like he was some big Mogul. He moves off emotion only. Rory calculated, and something business people can respect.
Mal is in his feelings as always, I love how objective Rory's mind is. His opinion is not based on his relations & connection to knowing them and joe. He's alot more mature than his older co-worker.
Mal got fem tendencies
Yes he is smfh. It's like woww
Bro, Slaughterhouse is BRILLIANT!! They playing ALL of us!! The world is a stage!
They not playing bro... U bugging
That part
Would be wild if they are playing us.
I was thinking the same shit bro.....I'm probably wrong lol.....but it's just what my gut is telling me
Mal left from being a worker to still being a worker
Rory is talking business And Mal is talking friendship and people.
That’s why both sides are right.
Mal tripping though. They using the same name. You can't do that.
Mal is a bitter ex still right now
For sure BUT no one knows they contract status maybe they can. Either way Mal is t talking business.
@@lonerebeI such a girly take
@@oluyomifadipe5634 no they did not. The album is called the rise and fall of slaughterhouse. They're not using the slaughterhouse name
I find this hella funny, because other situations similar to this Mal was on the side of Jay and Biggs
What situation was similar to this with jay when someone retired and someone else didn’t want to do something unless the person who retired is part of it
@@kjj2656 not the retirement part but the brand part. When Dame didn't wanna split Roc but Jay didn't wanna stay on Roc and go become president of def jam. Splitting the artist from roc between Jay and Dame its part of how Beans and the falling out
@@burnx237 Biggs went with Dame too therefore mal was with them
I'm actually more a Mal guy than Rory. For the first time I can honestly say Mal sounded like a clown and can totally see how he might not understand business. That grown man CLEARLY still holds a grudge against Joe and on this specific topic sounds crazy (no pun).
Yea Mal forsure sounded burnt out. Like Rory said just go rap bro. You don't have to name your album this or put the slaughterhouse logo thats really corney
Slaughterhouse could definitely release a new album together with a lot of buzz. They can call it renovation or something.
I agree with Rory
I just listened to an hour and a half IG live where Joe asked questions, deflected questions and called ppl names. He gave NO new info. He seemed completely unable to defend himself 🤷🏽♀️
That's joe misinformed at times
I wanna say, I didn't think these two could make an actually dope podcast. But they're pulling it off! I'm super happy to see this, honestly! There's a lot less screaming and bitching about things, a lot less cutting people off mid-sentence and it works!
its a creative and respectful way to end it on a positive note for the fans. much respect to crook and joel.....its a piece of creative art with a purpose....i like the first 2 tracks already!
Y’all have the lowest standards that shit corny asf
@Peter Parker music is subjective millions think elvis is the king of rock n roll but chuck berry was better in every way.
It’s a Joe Budden diss album.
@@PeterParkedHer grow up my guy, stop trying to feel superior because you don't like something other people do like.
@@bammymaxwell2587 it’s has nothing to do with a superiority complex stop the projecting. This is simply about men who used to collaborate 2 of them have found success doing others things and the other two are caught up on something that never happened. They reasons why are irrelevant. You “fans” are selfish and only care to consume music this shit is the corniest shit in hip hop. Move on and stop trying to win off the strength of another man
Mal is funny. That’s all I gotta say…….😂😒
the funny from JBP left when mal did lol. that shit so srs now
Mal emotions making him sound stupid on this.
@@TommyFLO In what way?
@@mell6481 he’s being salty
@treesh slayer ice n ish didn’t let Joe pop off on the last pod. Wym? I don’t have their Patreon then idc if they funny there. The new mal pod way better
All they had to do was call the new group halfway house & call it a day💯
That's a Joe Budden album
Mal is a good dude but when it comes to anything joe he can't be objective. Any human could see how joe and royce would feel a way about the situation.
He's right. If I build something FOR YEARS with somebody and they drop out. I'm not starting over. I'ma continue this brand, you do whatever you want
Rory handled this in a very mature manner. I respect it!
Normally when a partnership is dissolved (in companies) the remaining members that wish to keep moving forward with the company have to "buy out" the ones that wish to leave. Essentially paying them for the rights to the creative control and actual control of the company they all created together.
Business is business, friendship is friendship. Mal has to learn to separate the two.
Mal is makin NO sense on this. And I’m not even a Joe Fan, idk why he acting like he don’t get it. Don’t use a brand that you own 25% of if the other owners don’t wanna do it, make your own brand that you do own more of Why is that hard to get?
Thats not how business works at all lmao. Man yall stupid.
@@jonathanjacobs1870 that is literally how business work lmao you clearly don’t know business. You can’t make decisions without the other owners voice. If they are equal owners of something you can sue.
@@jayagainsthumanity easy to tell yall dont own shit.
Unfortunately brother that’s not how law or finically obligated businesses work.
i.e.
If and individual retires owning 1/4 of a company and the 3 remaining parties discuss potential business moves 2/3 out number the remaining parties.
@@jonathanjacobs1870 Easy to tell you don’t know the law or even have a degree in business. Google right there my guy 😂
Mal was podding his ass off on this one 😂🤣
Mal sucks at making his point, he just repeats the same thing he said before. He needs to step up his communication skills.
Dude’s done the same shit since back when he joined the old pod
Mal always did that tho. He strings three statements together that mean the same shit and it always sound like he saying some profound shit. Shit like "He's making more money now, he's in a different place in his life, he's successful, no longer struggling...."
I just want to see him and Rory win and you can tell that hes not taking it as serious as he should…..like he can just cool his way into a successful podcast. Say what you want to about Joe, but he knows how to entertain and articulate himself well even if hes full of shit most of the time
@@richarddavis3412 I think the cool act is to mask the lack of substance
Yea ... He could articulate himself way better
It all comes down to what's in the contract. If the contract says all 4 have to agree on use of the brand then that's that.
Agreed but the fact that Joe and Royce would take that stance, when they made it known they weren’t interested in doing anymore work with the slaughterhouse brand is bogus. Talk about being spiteful, Joel and Crooked are in a creative space and what to give something to the fans using the name, I really can’t see the issue. Speaks to both Joe and Royces character. Joe is a selfish person that doesn’t consider other people’s positions, and Royce is a follower that never has a mind of his own (he’d follow Em into molten furnace without even thinking).
First off look at what you just did within the last three years to Mo😈 and Rory he literally said on live with Ortiz I am bigger than slaughterhouse he didn't say that in totality but it came out of his mouth And not to mention one Ortiz said even if you don't want to be part of the album just support it because you're a part of the household mean Joe literally told Ortiz to suck his dick I don't think the public needs to know any more behind that Joe has said and done enough over the past five years to the point where I'm not surprised at anything he does
All I know when Joell asked Joe who owns the logo Joe? Joe B kept quiet.
Joe burned the house down once he told Joell that their new album can SMD.... And If they was friends...He definitely ruined that!!!!!!
@@dretheman123 then you can’t call it slaughterhouse. They can be creative and give their duo a new name. The thing y’all all miss is Joe literally started it on own of his albums. He does have a little more say than the others
@@shadyshady3390 it is slaughter house put it like this if stephen curry say I want nothing to do with the Warriors anymore guess what the time waits for no man. This goes back to something mal said, jir never got attention like this as a rapper so u dealing with a different animal right now so his head is in a different atmosphere now. So you can't say that, joe didnt create slaughter house just because he dont want nothing to so with the name dont mean shit most likely he might take joell and crooked to court the way he movin
Joel and Crook should have just created their own thing. If you trust in your skills it shouldn't be a problem.
They are. They're not calling themselves "slaughterhouse", they made a song together
@Captain Anarchy they are selling merch with the SH branding. They are profiting off the name. Petty sure but from a business standpoint, it's a slippery slope.
@@MrJblazini Not really. They're 2 of the creators of the brand.
Mal is speaking from a respective, integrity , character base while Rory is being understanding, devils advocate and logic wise both are very good places along with reasonable honestly
Nahh Mal is just still acting like Joe's bitter ex lmao
Your Mal's friend... 🤣...
Rory understands things like this happen in life, and dealt with it already.
Mal's either still processing it, doesn't know how to process it, or actually fucking hates Joe and doesn't care to process it.
They both make good points..
Masterclass in objectivity and difficult conversation here by Rors. Shoutout Demaris too. Hopefully Mal can find peace and move on from his JBP trauma
Mal acts like he left death row records
I was listening to the pod for MAL in the environment of the others. Now it’s seems a bit bitter, people grow man geez … and people are checking for Slaughterhouse if they drop.
Mal was Joe's friend.... Rory was just a partner or associate.... it hurts more when you have a conflict with someone u used to call friend.
Yea hopefully they can reunite, film it and just get past the bullshit because at the end of the day money doesn't matter
Mal definitely is still holding onto some unsavory feelings. It’s painfully obvious. Comes off a little bitter. I can appreciate Rory’s take on the situation especially considering that Joe and Royce said that Joe never turned it down, he just had some additional questions and wanted to see the paperwork. Royce said he wasn’t doing it without all the members.
I only clicked on this video because I knew it was impossible for these two to talk about the topic without their issues with Joe leaking in and the rest of you all are complaining about that energy. I came here for that energy, and I got what I came for so thanks.
Mr. "I don't owe my friends respect" shouldn't feel any type of way about what Crook & Joell are doing.
Didn't Joe also say on one of his pods something like "I take full responsibility for the demise of Slaughterhouse"?
Joe and royce both already said the group was over years ago.
Those are both different things.
He said the last part on episode 177 when he was dissing Em. The 1st part was episode 420 something when Rory and Mal 1st came back and discussed their fallout. Honestly when he said he didn’t owe his friends respect, Mr. “Integrity” Mal shoulda left then. He was so quiet when I go back and listen. He said respect like 30x that’s it.
Mal so hurt 😂 he refuses to step out of his own feelings
i don't get all these comments calling Mal childish and shit, dude is making perfect sense. it's okay to have different opinions than the rest of the crowd, especially when you can clearly justify your position.
Right
Get Joel and Crook on the pod! 😂
As a person who have been in bands, if you don't want to do it anymore you get replaced the band name doesn't change. And you ain't getting paid when a band shirt sales with the band name
Yeah but raps kinda a bit different, as well as the history of why Slaughterhouse was brought together.
@@cnsmooth doesn't matter how it started or ended, legally Joelle and Crook can do it...so just let them do it!
PREACH!!! THE NERVE OF TELLING MEN THEY CAN'T FEED THEIR FAMILIES BECAUSE SOMEONE DOESN'T FEEL LIKE IT ANYMORE
Joe created that group name
@@lochofmceo it doesn't matter lmfao let the men rap, Joe bitches a lot for being a retired rapper
I mean Rory was a business associate first, but Mal really grew with Joe
Lets be honest, as great as Joell and Crook are as MC's, "Slaughterhouse" is the FAR larger draw in this "attention-economy." Them naming the album what they did is the REASON the album is such a current topic of convo. BRILLIANT marketing. 👏
Exactly! And the way they went about (regardless of how anyone feels about it), they left room for an even greater marketing strategy for all of them to win off of it.
In my opinion, Mal is 100% correct on this one. If you own a copyright, trademark, etc. jointly any one of you can do whatever you want with that product. You will have to give a percentage to the other owner(s), but you can use, market or sell the product.
No you cannot. When you JOINTLY own something, and let’s assume they do…ALL parties must agree.
So by your example, let say I partly own Tesla or Apple. I can go and do a bunch of fuckery with the brand and logo because I partly own it without asking the other owners? That's kinda ridiculous logic.
If they didn't Burn the Brand Logo. You'd have a point. Them burning the Brand Logo hurts that brand as a whole.
@@NasirAlly It’s not logic, it’s the law. If you “jointly” own a copyright or trademark you can do whatever you want with it…(you may have to share profits though)
If one of the joint owners is doing something that causes brand confusion or damages what’s called the “good will” of your company you can take it to court. But, just be clear, you will have to go to court and win the case to stop the person.
@@BTCBlizzy That is not the law. A lot of people think that but it’s not true. The only way you all have to agree is if you have a separate contract that actually says you must agree before that intellectual property can be used…And even then most people include a clause that says you must be reasonable in making the decision to agree or disagree. That clause is used to stop people from just refusing without a good reason.
I can see Joe and Rory being cool again in the future
Mall still hates joe 😂😂
i think rory makes a good point but mals argument is just a bit stronger in my opinion.
these 2 guys (joe, royce) moved on and havent showed interest in keeping the brand up, and they are successful alone
why would you be mad at something that you turned down over years?
i mean i get that they dont feel good about it but they gotta swallow it (pause) as they had all chances to be a part of it