How Come NOBODY Talks About The RED Belt?
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- How come Nobody Talks about the Red Belt?
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Every white belt steps onto the mat with a dream-a dream that one day they will be good enough to wear the most desired black belt.
But what if I told you that there's a belt that even black belts can only dream of? A belt that's so exclusive that 99% of both BJJ hobbyists and athletes will never come close to wearing it. (pause)
That belt is the Red Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu Belt.
While the black belt is for the best of the best, the Red Belt, is a league of its own. It's not just a symbol of skill; it's a belt reserved for those who have dedicated their entire lives to BJJ.
But just as not all black belts are on the same level, not all Red Belts are either. And to top it all, there's one Red Belt that no one can ever wear again.
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Is the RED belt as IMPORTANT as it was before?
So glad to see you give Franca and Fadda honorable mentions.
just like almost anything bjj, coral belt is a scam, there used to be a TH-cam video of a supposed CORAL BELT submitting a thief on the streets ... everyone believed it ... until some people did the math and realized that you can't get your Coral belt until you've been a BLACK BELT for at least 30 years ... only problem is: 30 years ago, BJJ wasn't even known outside of Brasil ... the whole UFC1 shitshow started 30 years ago THIS YEAR ... and we all know that in order to get your black belt, it takes ON AVERAGE 15 years to get one (in itself already a huge red flag that bjj is a slow paced system and therefore completely useless for quick and easy self defence skills) ... therefore, whoever that old manj was, must've been training in bjj for ... 45 YEARS ... 40 YEARS if you lowball it ... 10 years AT LEAST before UFC1 ... so either he's a fake Coral belt or he's just flat out lying ... and how very interesting and peculiar that that video is nowhere left to be found ... makes you think, doesn't it?
Is the red belt as important? The preservation of the quality of the red belt will never end because it’s a combined observation.
Not for the hobbyist or competitor but for lifelong practictioner
@@Jeffro5564 The true red belt isn’t for anyone outside of the founders so… yeah. Lol
I like the idea of a red belt for instructors and people who have given their lives to evolving our sport. Unfortunately, something like that will inevitably lead to a lot of nasty politics. People who chase rank though are focused on the wrong thing, whether that is a blue belt or a red belt.
There are no politics that I have seen when it comes to degrees on black belts. Is based on time (and your professors memory). Know those who are no longer with their original professor, and they get promoted through the ibjjf based on time.
Tbh I think John danaher is much deserving of the red belt
Already happened in Karate, Ninjutsu, Jujutsu, and so on. Belts and titles should just never exist.
@@bluetiger5064was gonna post the same
Lead to a lot of nasty politics?.....sorry, already there.
The coral belt is named because its black and red - like a coral snake, nothing to do with coral reefs. That is pretty common knowledge.
eh, i liked the explanation for the coral reef better. You got any metaphors or analogies that go with the snake one?
It just looks like a brasilian coral snake @@captain5325
@@captain5325Try googling "coral snake"and you will understand it. In Portuguese we also use "coral" for red sometimes, that's how the word came from.
@@captain5325 I'm Brazilian and he is right. The coral name is a reference to the Coral Snake. Is a black and red poisonous Snake that you can usally find in northeast of Brazil. Almost everything that has the Black and Red pattern we call as a coral...for example Flamengo, one of the most popular soccer teams in Brazil, changed their colors from Blue and Gold to Red and Black. Nowadays this first Flamengo's red and black uniform is called "Cobra coral".
hahahah thanks but they are right
As an outsider looking in, it appears the Gracie family realized that non-family members would eventually have access to their highest honors, so they created a barrier to entry to enshrine their legacy. Which is fine, but just say it.
Well said. Because nowadays, some people also started to train at 5 YO and today have been training for 35-40 years.
No. There is another. Hence, Royce's navy blue belt.
I was at the Rickson Gracie seminar where he was awarded the red belt. It was interesting to hear his position regarding the belief that he still needed to wait longer before being comfortable wearing it.
Ohhh man, I saw the video of that. You saw it live. LUCKY
Interesting tension there, right? Not among people I mean, just in the idea that he almost didn't feel it was appropriate. I think it may mean something more once BJJ gets to a point where a red belt has been awarded by someone other than a Gracie.
He should be wearing it by now by his own words that day, but I haven't heard that he has ever put it on again to this day
Rickson will have a different role to play In the art. I do believe if he continues he will have left such a strong impression on bjj that will be awarded a 10th degree.
That must have been a great and unique experience
I think the name 'coral' comes from 'cobra coral' (coral snake) and not coral reef, because the belt looks just like that snake's pattern. There are some different patterns in the 'coral snake' family (in the USA it has yellow stripes) but the type we have here in Brazil has bold black and red stripes with thin white stripes.
You are correct. It is from the coral snake.
I came to say the same, thanks
Huahuahauahau, u are absolutely right, however, he give a really beautiful new meaning to this belt
I heard someone around a fire once singing a song called 'Cobra Coral' and she said it was about a mysterious man who came to town wearing a coral snake as a belt. I wondered if the two are linked ? Do you know the song or have a link to it ? I'd really like to find the words!
Yeah I was thinking that too, why would he mention coral reefs lol
That’s why most bjj studios don’t follow BJJ age rules it depends on skill in most gyms now
It does... But old people get their belt slower... should that change ?
In Judo, the "coral" belt is given to those who have given to the sport.
It isn't a signification of rank, it is a demonstration of character.
The head Judo instructor at my Dojo is in his 70's and is a 6th Dan black belt wearing his earned white and red belt.
However, another instructor there who is also in his 70's is also a 6th dan black belt, but he himself only wears a black belt.
Shintaro Higashi also wears a red/white belt, but he's not 70 years old, not even close.
The reason why in BJJ no one talks about red belts, is because no one other than a Gracie, or someone who happens to kiss up to the Gracie's can get such a belt.
Not only that, but it seems you *have to be* ancient to get one, which is ludicrous.
It's like retirement, as long as your 401k is doing good, why worry about it, you'll get it when you're 65.
If BJJ wants to have this particular belt be something to aspire to, then the Gracie family needs to be as far away from the promotion process as possible.
Not only that, the requirements need to be reasonable.
Minimum requirements should be:
1: Be at least a 1st/2nd degree black belt for coral, and 5th/6th degree for red belt with no weird age requirements.
2: Demonstrate beyond a reasonable doubt, that you have given to, and continue to grow BJJ.
(If the belt promotion thing is off, I apologize, based on how difficult it is to get these fancier belts beyond black there really doesn't seem to be much information about promoting beyond black.)
Shintaro (who is only 39 years old) wears a coral belt because he is 6th Dan. His father, Nobuyushi Higashi, is a 9th Dan in Judo and wears a red belt.
The 9th Degree in BJJ already has time limits that are more than capable of being met by future generations.
This is nonsense. The Gracies have nothing to do with IBJJF rank requirements. Once you get an IBJJF black belt, you get stripes for years being active, that's it.
@@jesusthroughmary Are you sure that the Gracie's, the family that founded BJJ, have *zero* influence on the sport?
I'm not saying there is a secret society for BJJ belt promotions/rules changes. However to suggest that the Gracie's don't have any sway/connections in BJJ is a bold claim.
Or maybe I'm misinterpreting what your saying.
1st/2nd for coral sounds too low, should be more like min 4th
@@DeathxThexKid100 once you get an IBJJF black belt, there is no secret as to when and how you get degrees
I always thought the Coral Belt was a reference to the Coral Snake
The coral snake is black and red with some yellow, I wouldn't be surprised if this was actually the origin of calling the black and red belt 'coral' and the 'coral reef' rationale was made up later
thats becuase it is...
Same
The coral snake is a reference to a coral reef.
It was!
It's strange that BJJ altered the belt system Kano developed, and was given to them through Maeda. Question: if 67 years is the minimum age on the graduation chart, why did Rickson receive his 3 or 4 years ago around 60? Maybe he knows the right people.
Maybe he knows hahahaha
I actually like the Gracie's original belt system better than the current one since it's based on easily verifiable facts rather than any particular subjective criteria. You wore a light blue belt if you were going through a curriculum to become an instructor and you wore a navy blue belt once this was complete. Everyone else wore a white belt.
At the time Carlos was learning, there were only white and black (some sources I've seen say colored belts started in the 20s, others in the 30s). Besides, it's unclear how much Carlos trained with Maeda, or if he even trained with him directly at all (as opposed to one of Maeda's students).
@@blindgod8122 Most sources agree he probably spent more time with Donato Pires, Maeda's student, than Maeda himself. Doesn't really matter. Today's BJJ and its focus almost exclusively on Ne Waza is so far from the fuller Judo Maeda apparently taught, which even he had watered down to some degree from Kano, as Maeda was obsessed with sport and winning. It was always speculated that Maeda's massive ego and sport-mentality was the main reason Kano sent him to South America as he had his students proliferate his teachings throughout the world...to get him away from Japan and disgracing the Kodokan.
@chipsebastian8657 2 things. First is that, if ANYONE has earned the right to wear a red belt, it would be Rickson. Second is, if you actually watched the video of him getting his red belt, he states that he doesn't agree with it as he hasn't put in the proper time and doesn't believe he's better than anyone else so he should follow the same timeframe. He then thanked the committee for giving it to him but stated he would continue to wear his coral belt until he had met the time requirement to wear the red belt.
@@keithstrickland4390 I have watched the video. I think you missed my point: that nepotism is rampant in BJJ. Whether the red belt "surprise" was staged by Rorion or not, whether Rickson accepted it and wore it early or not, whether Rorion promoted and publicized it as Gracie marketing on the same weekend Sakuraba was inducted into the Hall of Fame, to take the attention away from the "Gracie Hunter," is all neither here nor there. The belt would not have been bestowed to anyone outside the Gracie family earlier than their own timeline allowed. They make and break their own rules as it suits them and their business model, and their followers call no foul every time. Doesn't really matter, as they've changed their own ranking system several times, making the whole thing arbitrary at best.
Rorion's achievements in spreading BJJ in the states with his brothers is truly admirable. Receiving a red BJJ belt from your older brother must be an incredible feeling considering the Gracie familys history.
Yea that I have to agree. What he did for the combat sport in insane!
The white/red belt is a fairly recent thing, I think within the last ten years or so. Before that, 7th and 8th degrees of wore black/red belts (like 7th does now). When the white/red belt was introduced, people called it the candy-cane belt
Ohh cool, candy cane haha. Thanks for sharing!
@@MMABJJChampsyou havent a clue about bjj,the red belt has zero to do with performance, its about time in grade and nothing else since most are very old ,dont even spar anymore.Also you showeda pic of a young helio for gastao gracie,clueless.
It was introduced to the world by Jigoro Kano!
@@adamgrofik5470 what was?
@@blindgod8122 the candy cane/panel belt
99% is an overstatement. Aren't there like, 5 guys who have them, and some of them are disputed? To get a coral belt you essentially had to roll in helios garage.
Well yea, kinda true. Sad though. Should change!
Another great video. I think what the first Gracies achieved is so important, however what they did to Rufino Dosantos, lynching him 3 to 1 was heartbreaking.
Well said. And thanks man, love your comments !
I think the rank system is fine, I have never heard anyone I train with talk about getting those belts. Us regular folks aspire to a black belt and maybe the first couple degrees of it, because that's all the athlete whose life doesn't revolve around BJJ is going to earn, and that's okay.
If I were to change anything, it would be to shorten the time at White Belt to no more than 2 years of consistent training, and increase the time spent at blue and purple belts to 3 years each. Too often I see people that have trained regularly still wearing a white belt after 3 years, and they have too many tricks up their sleeves to be wearing the Day 1 rank.
That's what I'm saying. Nobody talks about the RED belt
You’ll see that a lot when white belts are competing in tournaments.
Its really about money I want my black belt I'll get it one day now thai boxing is what is better for 1 v multiple opponents
Very cool to see Flavio Behring get some recognition in these videos. He always seems to get left out, but is an original.
I was there in Sao Paolo when he got his white belt with red bar🥋
I will never forget this day
No way I would of forgotten him;)
I’ve had the privilege of being taught by him several times. It was an honor. Such a cool dude and an amazing teacher.
@@downbytheriver501 That's awesome. My school is a Behring school. So we see him a fair bit.
BJ penn got a black belt in less than 3 years which is where his nickname the prodigy came from.
Yea, huge exception though
It was 3 1/2 years. The story keeps getting shorter…
@@samuraisteve2775 It was actually 3 days of being a fetus
@@samuraisteve2775I'm not sure where you got your information but it was 1.5, the story gets longer and longer every time I hear it.
I assume he was training every day so
You have to be born Brazilian, kiss some Gracies' feet and train for 100 years to attain it
First of all you have to train long enough to reach coral belt, more or less 30 years. The first few people from outside Brazil were awarded with their black belts in the first half of the 90's and one of them - Ken Gabrielson - was already awarded with coral belt few years ago, being first person from outside Brazil to achieve this rank. First US bb - Craig Kukuk - left bjj community and stopped training at all, because of health issues, but in theory he can be awarded, but probably not by Gracies, because he had some issues with them at some point. Maybe by federation, but from what I know he doesn't even care.
Exactly. This is just one giant advertisement.
LOOOL, this could change though no?
I believe Eddie bravo's contributions in BJJ should be recognized not as a founder, but something like that
True, kinda of a No Gi Founder indeed
He would wear the "chili dog" belt
Certainly an innovator, leader/contributor.
Certainly, but it's up to JJM and Rickson as to how far Eddie gets promoted.
Mexican Ground Karate founder
My understanding is that the coral belt is named for the coral snake, and has nothing to do with coral reefs.
Thanks for letting me know ;) Many people say this too
@@MMABJJChampsit’s because of the snake. Nothing to do with sea corals
Even rarer is the navy belt. Under the old system there were only three levels, and navy was reserved for the masters. Since Helio rejected the modern ranking system and was the last grandmaster to use and promote people to this level of navy, Royce has decided that is the only color belt he will wear going forward.
Royce is wearing the navy?
Very interesting! In the school that I learned American Kenpo Karate, the last three belt colors in order are red, senior red (red and black), then black. Danny Antoine was my teacher.
Cool stuff. Im not very good in Karate stuff
ITF Taekwondo here. 2nd and 1st Kyu are red belt and red belt with black stripe. These are roughly equivalent to brown belt in karate. But the red belts / coral belts this video discusses are from judo. Though, these belts are usually meant to be ceremonial. When instructors at red / coral teach or throw down, they usually wear their black belts instead.
I grew up in California and spent half my life working with the Gracie family. When I walk into another persons school, I walk in as a white belt. The idea of ten years is just based on general education and experience. Every concept is made for example and experience. Fighting is a different place. A Red belt is a concept.
That's all.
I agree. Im trying to go general indeed. Off course some exceptions!
It was very deflating when i learned that the current longevity paywall was added to prevent non Brazilians from reaching the rank. People used to get coral in their 40s and 50s. Carlson have gave it to Rosado at like 45.
BJJ is 90% nepotism. Family and friends of family get handed belts, for the rest of us, we are pay piggies.
What is that?
They need to make a netflix documentary about the history of Brazilian jiu-jitsu
Waiting for Robert Drydale's Closed Guard film
If BJJ hits Netflix, we will be on the MAP!
@MMABJJChamps The history of BJJ in Brazil is extremely fascinating. If done right, I'm sure people will like it.
From who's point of view? History is always written from a certain perspective. Sometimes, there is a lot of marketing going on, so there are "additions" or things are "left out" due to cultural reasons.
It won't, “they” wouldn't want to true origins to come to the surface… little teaser… Maeda trained catch wrestling in America a whole 10 years before he went to Brazil...
Belts are akin to decorations imho, just a marker for progress in the early stages and a badge of honour in the late stages of your martial arts journey. At the end of the day, it’s just a piece of cloth and the value of the cloth is what people attach to it. You can make any number of coloured belts beyond the red belt or even between that and the black belt- at the end of the day what matters is the skill level of the individual wearing it.
True well said. Thanks for sharing
This, absolutely this! I transitioned to no GI for this very reason as a wrestler who got into the sport as a teenager I saw the ranking system as particularly flawed for having criteria that isn't solely based on skill level therefore feeling somewhat gimmicky but still having a marker to show 60 years of dedication to a martial art is pretty cool to have.
just started jijitsu a month ago my professor is a 8th degree coral belt trained under carlson and this man is a beast hes in his 60's and moves like a 20 year old i wish i could see him roll
One day you will for sure.
Have you ever been taught by a Red or Coral Belt. They have been doing this for 30 or 40 years and have seen hundreds come and go. A ton of injuries. It’s more than a move it’s a lifetime of experience.
Nah my lineage stop at Royler. One day though
@@MMABJJChamps
Royler isn’t a Coral belt???
Actually just attended a seminar with Jean Jacques Machado yesterday. My instructor got up to brown belt under him before Jean Jacques moved to America and it was the first time he has visited his academy. Very surreal to meet the man who gave Eddie Bravo and Joe Rogan their black belts and, by extension has started the journey of BJJ for probably millions of people, including myself, just to have it come full circle and meet him in person
That’s wonderful!
4:40 that black belt pulling that guys pants down lol
You like that hein!
I train under Royce Gracie. He wears a dark navy blue belt as respect towards his father helio
Man that is cool to know! Tell him to come to Montréal. I would take him in for a seminar.
@@MMABJJChampsI went to a seminar he had here in Tacoma Washington and he had a dark blue belt was cool to see and the reasoning behind it.
The coral belt is called that because of the coral snake which is red and black, there is nothing related to layers of coral reef, coral snake can be very deadly, but there a fake coral snake too which has the same color black red and white but no poison
Thanks for letting me know ;) You took the time to comment, I appreciate!
@@MMABJJChamps dunno if the coral snake exists outside Brazil, it might be just an south american snake, I've come across that snake once it is so beatiful and you know that red color means in the nature, i would say the same for the bjj
Yes, red belts represent years of dedication to your art but you will never be as deadly than you were when you were a young black belt.
Well said ! I have to agree. Just your knowledge never stops
I disagree. Coral belts like Pedro Sauer and Rickson toy with black belts like a black belt does with a white belt. Look it up
@keithstrickland4390 Maybe but Rickson would get crushed today by his 30 year old self.
For sure he would
Also Red and Coral belts have stables of black belts that will gladly oblige that deadly young black belt.
We have karate schools in our area that are giving seven year olds that can’t even properly pivot on a sidekick black belts after two years of simply showing up to classes. I don’t think that actual skill matters in some of these schools anymore. It’s all about attendance and payments to them, things like having actual mastery of the art are sadly becoming a thing of the past for many…
This is why were talking about BJJ hahaha
Dont chase belts, chase skills and ability. Only those will truly be able to save you in the end snd that's all that really matters - especially when there's dojo-politics involved.
Well said my man !! Thanks
I’m a first degree bb. I think the belt system is just fine the way it is now. I personally don’t see the point in limiting the 10th degree red belt to founders only. If you’ve made it that long in the art, why not be awarded it. I do think that there should be a federation that sets minimum standards and approves belts should be in place like the IBJJF. I do wish they offered more for membership like insurance, other perks, etc.
very well said. same rank as you, and I agree!
honestly though with that many degrees I have to question functionally what those ranks mean? Like is it 9th degree so different from 1st at the red level? or is it just recognition of time and investment with red being less about skill and more about contribution to the art itself?
Yea at that point, recognition is a main factor
I find the whole "this belt / degree takes 3 years, that one takes 5 etc" to be a weird way to "measure".
I see some people train every day, but dont injure themselves, so they have consistency.
Then i see some other kind of people that train a bit, get injured for weeks / months, come back and train a few days or weeks, get injured again and so on.
So with these 2 types of people (scenarios) in mind, counting years of training seems a bit pointless.
Please school me, random internet person.
Good comment. It is that amount of training years if you do actually train. If you don't it will take longer. I was on and off for 1 year because of injuries. Took my 5 years for my 1st degree.
Coming from Judo, Japanese and Brazilian Jujitsu my Sensi was from the old thought, those that have been around would see the transformation from merely retaining knowledge and understanding that knowledge. Concepts are very difficult for people to understand especially in a martial art, normal it’s expressed in symbols. Obviously, martial arts is passed down from master to student, student becomes master and repeats. In Japanese martial arts often these concepts of the past are forgotten or the translation lost. Sure someone can teach you throws, teach you chokes and holds. But can they tell you the concept? Mastery happens in Judo, true mastery when the effort the Judoka applies is minimal, and the opponent becomes by their own effort their own enemy, the harder they fight/struggle the worse their enemy becomes. It’s called “the way,” the way becomes apart of you and the art becomes expressed in all your works. Belts change as the way becomes clearer and the way becomes as unforgettable as breathing. Concern over your belt blinds you to seeing the way. Although, the way is with me, I will always wear the white belt to remind myself the way is a path and not a destination.
Thats a great write up.
This is deep man ! Thanks for sharing
Rufino Dos Santos blew all of that out of the water by beating all of them. Same for Sakuraba, remember how he beat 4 brothers? Just another black belt/red belt like all of the other styles. Belts are a thing of the past when it is realized that an 29 year old fighter like Shavkat smokes them.
Still, give them a bit of credit hehe
Well, it was in the very last minute of the video, but thank you for recognizing Founding Grand Master Fadda!!
heyyyyy, thanks for watching the whole thing !!!!!!!
My bjj coach was Claudia Silva from UFC, I asked him if there were red belts, he said in Brasil but they're really old.
Lucky man!!! Claudia Silva. WOW. Super cool
I think the way the belt system is now is fine. you are focusing on the 9th Degree Red Belt. I think others should still be able to attain it. It is the 10 Degree Red belt that no one else will ever achieve, including the Gracies becuase it is reserved for the founders.
Good points!
The white belt with the red bar is epic.
It would be so cool to have that indeed!
It's not true that you must do BJJ for 10 years to get a black belt... although I'm sure that some places have that requirement. I have a friend that got a blackbelt in about 6 or 7 years, but he wrestled in college before he started BJJ, so he was a pretty advanced grappler before ever putting on a gi.
Bj Penn was black belt pretty fast.
Yea exactly what I just commented before. If you have baggage and only do BJJ as your life, it's different.
Personally, I don't give attention to the color. I don't know what color is the belt of JJ Machado BUT I do know this man is a legend !
Cool attitude, I think the RED belt is kinda nice !
The white belt and red belt are the only 2 belts that don't take skill to acquire
OHHH damn. So well said.
I disagree. I think the white belt is the hardest to get simply because it takes courage and a soul full of humility to walk into a BJJ academy full of people way more experienced than you and go "okay, this is something I want no matter how hard it is going to be."
I say this because I am a white belt and I was that person two weeks ago.
An unreachable belt. You'd have to start at age 7. It don't matter. You make the style.
Imagine wearing it one day though... I'd keep it always on.
I believe JJ focuses too much on belts; you should train every day to improve. Forget about the belts; there are many black belts that are useless in a fight. As Master Jigoro Kano once said: 'It's not important to be better than someone else, but to be better than yesterday.'"
Whooo nice quote! Love it. Thanks for sharing
Aqui no Brasil o progresso de cintos é por tempo (3 anos para cada faixa) + dedicação. Já vi alunos que completaram 3 anos de faixa azul mas o professor negou graduação porque eles faltavam muito nos treinos. Em 14 anos você se torna um Black belt.
Once I heard from someone... the belt is meant to tie the trousers.
Think of it.
;)
Someone wrote it as a comment a few months back, best comment ever.
Red belt in Judo is a Rank.... Why it stopped being so in BJJ is beyond me.
Ran out of colors? 🤷🏼♂️
Politics IMO. Thoughts?
Maybe this wasn't the video to get into it but as an outsider it sounds like the only criteria is time spent training and not exactly any technical or skill accomplishments.
Well, just the fact that you train 60 years means something hehe.
That's true, it is about time but as you train more and more, your technique gets sharper and sharper.
CORAL in Brasil is a Snake (that is black and red)
Yes sir ! Thank you!
I'm not confident whomever wrote the script to this was very informed on the subject.
Well, it is very hard to find out exactly everything. Many people say different things.
The biggest channels today are almost all run by casuals, for casuals. You'll see random outrageous claims showing no grasp of history
Casuals ?
@MMABJJChamps I think he means hobbyist trying to make a little cash on the side. Not even remotely trying for full time.
In ITF TKD we use red instead of brown,white/yellow/green/blue/red/black 1st-10th
Nice, I didn't know.
The "Coral-Belt" in Judo is called "Bahnschranke" (railway barrier) in German.
Ohhh nice! Thanks for sharing ;)
Leave it to Germans to make things incredibly uncool.
Most of the Red Belts have the last name Gracie.
Yea I know. I wish it would change!
Not true. There are many red belts that aren’t Gracies. I believe there are currently 38 red belts. Only 8 of those are Gracies. In no particular order they are:
Geny Rebelo, Reylson Gracie, Carlos Rosado, José Higino, Robson Gracie, Geraldo Flôres, Crézio Chavez, Hélio Vigio, Paulo Mauricio, Nahum Rabay, Wilson Mattos, Deoclécio Paulo, Carley Gracie, Francisco Sá, Álvaro Barreto, Francisco Mansor, Reyson Gracie, Pedro Hemetério, Relson Gracie, Flavis Dabsina, João Alberto Barreto, Oswaldo Gomes da Rosa, Osvaldo Alves, Armando Wridt, Rickson Gracie, Carlson Gracie, Pedro Valente, Luis Carlos Guedes de Castro, Rorion Gracie, Amelio Arruda, Arthur Virgilio Neto, Eduardo Gomes Pereira, Julio Secco, Nilton Pereira da Silva, Oswaldo Carnivalle, Paulo Mauricio Strauch, Pedro Emerito and Walter Nogueira
It is crazy that rikson didnt want to take the belt. He is one of the most well known and esteemed practitioners of the sport and he undoubtedly deserves it
Other reasons for sure
This would be unachievable for anybody that's not from Brazil.
Yea I know. Sad but true
Coral and red belts aren't particularly important, because there isn't a very large school of people who could qualify for them. These belts are basically for old Brazilians who have lineages named after them - kind of a lifetime achievement award. If you started BJJ after adulthood you probably don't have enough time left in your life to earn one. It will be interesting, though, to see if the number of people who earn these belts expands over time, or if they die out. It will depend a lot on the rate true lifetime practitioners joined the sport over time.
I know, its just like an ultimate goal!
@@MMABJJChamps
The goal should be to become a better grappler and able to defeat more opponents, not to collect belts.
As a blue belt in my late 30’s, It’s my goal to be a red belt by age 100.
Hahahhahahah good luck. Keep me posted ;)
Red belt all the way. Its like a goal that just a few can reach. Letss go!!
Indeed, love the idea
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When i was a kid i took a karate class, and i saw a blackbelt lose a sparring match to a greenbelt. My ten year old brain couldn't process that! Now i know most gyms ( not all) will let a student progess in the system as long as they are paying their fees....
Well not all gyms... Ive had student at my school training for 10 years and are only purple belts
If you made a belt for your martial art then it should be available to any who train. 10th degree red belt not being available is just dumb.
i guess it's a sign of respect!
HESPEK DA BEL@@MMABJJChamps
I'm not sure that it even matters, honestly. The different colors beyond standard black are just ways to easily identify time and contribution. It's probably more important to standardize the requirements for blue, purple, brown, and black.
Yes really well said.
I took Ishin Ryu Karate and you can't advance higher than your instructor. The marshall art got invited in the 1940s I believe the man who invented it was 10th degree red belt and my instructor was a 6th degree. I once met a 9th degree very old man at a tournament. So in about 60 years I wonder what's gonna happen when it's just 1st degree black belts teaching class.
It won't stripes are never ending in BJJ community
At least in IBJJF schools, stripes are awarded for years of being active after earning black belt, so there is no more training you need to do after earning black belt. That 1st degree black belt will become a 2nd degree after 3 years, then a 3rd degree after another three years, then a 4th degree 5 years after that.
Can't wait for Keenan Cornelius to start wearing an AJJ red belt.
hahahaha good one
At the top level of competition, it does not matter. Wrestlers like Krellin, Judo players like ono, Ishii or Inoue, they are all high ranking, but it does not matter, as all have been olympic and world champions. Learn from those who have made it to the top, they know the road, not the guy with the most stripes on their belt
Man I have to say that you can learn from both types.
@@MMABJJChamps I’ve learnt more from a top 3 All Japan competitor than I did from a guy who’s biggest claim was being Ippon’d into oblivion on a documentary… lol
and then there is the gold , obsidian and damascus belt!
Gold? J'en veux une !!!
First and foremost, BJJ is a commercial enterprise of the Gracie familiy. Everything related to the colors of their belts should be read as promotion of their enterprise. When it comes to fighting, my Karate teacher once summed it up quite nicely by stating this: "If you want to defeat others, you yourself must be strong". That remains true forever.
It does. Nice words!
I am sure that Marcello Garcia should have red belt next
That would be sick! Not sure it will happen
I got my black belt in 7 years ,training twice a day for 3 days a week.jiu jitsu is the hardest martial arts to train if u master it you can do any other discipline..I also train Muay Thai
No one cares. Pat yourself on the back privately.
I trained 3 times a week, for six years.
I never got beyond blue belt.
I took 3rd place in kentucky state championships, and second place in Tenn..
I would say I knew enough to be promoted...but I never was...because I never paid enough money and took private lessons.
Its not a hard martial art, it takes knowledge and skill yes, but its not extremely hard. The hard part is beating the nepotism and being rich.
Harsh
Good job!
Really ? can't agree with that. sorry
I mean taking 50 years for an art thats only been around 100 years is kinda funny.
Looool!
Like Brazilian jiu-jitsu (BJJ), judo also has red belts (or 10th dan) practitioners, but I say this with all due respect and honesty, there aren't many around, and the red belts that do exist are quite old. For example, Japanese judoka (judo practitioner) Keiko Fukuda received her 10th dan (red belt) from the United States Judo Federation (USJF) in 2011, being about 97 years old. Fukuda passed away two years later in 2013 at the age of 99.
Fukuda was a long-life judo practitioner, starting in the year 1935 (Fukuda would have been about 21 to 22 years old when starting), becoming an instructor in 1937. She started to learn judo under judo's founder, Professor Kanō Jigorō, and was the last surviving student of Professor Jigorō.
In both judo and BJJ, having a red belt would be such a prestigious honour, but it would take absolute years of dedication to not only training in the art, but teaching the art to others, and even learning from others, as well. For Fukuda, it took her 76 years to receive her red belt.
I I am being honest, I don't think getting the red belt was a goal of Fukuda's per say, but perhaps just a part of her judo journey. For Fukuda to be involved in judo for over 70 years, she must have been truly passionate about the martial art, not just a sport or martial art for her, but a way of life.
Really cool comment man, thanks for taking the time.
Honestly, Fukuda Sensei should've received her 10th Dan so much earlier than she did. Only reason she didn't was because of the Kodokans sexism, despite being one of Jigoro Kanos students. She was obviously very deserving. I feel like USA Judo awarding her was partly because the Kodokan never did. Setting that to the side, I honestly think BJJ should take notes with how the japanese martial arts go about promoting. Their system is much more dialed in.
@@danlopez8531 Yes, I completely agree with your comments about Keiko Fukuda, she should have received her 10th dan much earlier.
As for Brazilian jiu-jitsu (BJJ), I don't know how BJJ gradings (or promotions) work, it seems to vary from club-to-club.
I've heard of some BJJ clubs (schools or gyms) giving a new belt to members when the coach (or professor) thinks they are ready and just... apparently hands it to them? I'm not sure. Maybe I'm wrong.
I know in judo, to receive a grading or promotion, the person is generally invited to undertake a grading or promotion examination, then the person has to successfully complete said examination.
@@galacticforge77 bjj grading is dependent on the club. The Gracie’s are the most organized in my opinion. They actually have a list of techniques you have to be proficient in from belt-to-belt. Not perfect yet, and I don’t know how far along they are with organizing everything, that’s what they were working in when I earned my blue belt almost 10years ago.
If a school follows IBJJF grading, then I believed main thing is time in rank and professors discretion.
That’s what I like about the Japanese/Korean arts what you have to know/be proficient in is laid out for you to study and test on. I think ultimately in order for bjj to continue progressing forward they are gonna have to adopt that.
Could you imagine the anarchy that would occur if universities awarded degrees the way some bjj schools awarded belts? “Hey pay us money so you can learn and earn a degree, but we’re not gonna tell you what you need to know in order to get that degree.” Pure chaos at that point.
@@danlopez8531 Yes, for sure. I am glad to hear that the Gracie's are organized.
I know here in Australia when it comes to judo gradings (or promotions), we have to follow the guidelines as set out by Judo Australia regarding one's grading/promotion.
They not only need to meet a minimum criteria (having enough competition points, or time in grade) but then they need to demonstrate their knowledge and proficiency in judo by being able to achieve a certain amount of things.
For example, for a senior (a teenager or adult) to transition from white to yellow belt, they need to be able to demonstrate the first gokyo of judo throws (eight tachi-waza, or throwing techniques), they will also need to demonstrate two osaekomi-waza (hold down techniques), one shime-waza (strangle technique) and one kansetu-waza (armlock). They will also need to be able to perform competent ukemi (break falls), but be able to tie their own obi (belt) and be regular with attendance of training.
While the knowledge is a bit in-depth, the technical proficiency doesn't have to be perfect... they just need to have a basic understanding. Obviously, as the judoka (judo practitioner) goes up in belt, their proficiency with techniques will gradually need to become sharper and more refined.
I don't know about other clubs, but our club, what we do with our members and athletes, is we provide them with a formal invitation to undertake a grading/promotion, and the physical invitation itself will describe what they will need to demonstrate to us, in order to be successful with their grading/promotion. We also like to hold grading/promotions on a separate night... it is so much easier for us as the coaches/instructors to manage, and it means that everyone involved in that separate night is there for one reason - to try and get graded/promoted.
We have never failed anyone from their gradings, but in fairness, we do not just give out gradings either, and just because our members/athletes receive an invitation, is not a guarantee that they will receive a new belt. By providing them with an invitation, we have faith that they have the ability to successfully complete a grading.
Personally, as a judo blackbelt and coach nowadays... I have failed two gradings/promotions in the past. I failed my first green belt (3rd kyu) grading, and I failed my first blue belt (2nd kyu) grading. Kind of embarrassing at the time, but it was also a sign that I just wasn't quite ready for either occasion.
Wrong about the coral belt, it’s named after a Brazilian snake, the “cobra coral” which is black and red striped 😉
I know, was testing you haha ! Seriously, thanks!
A governing council sounds like the best way to move forward
True. It would simplify things I guess!
Made up of whom?
@@msmithtkd73bjjDEEEZZZ….. no, but seriously not really sure. However, having a red belt awarded by a council seems more legitimate than just an individual.
@@MMABJJChamps Rickson already did this.
I know. On the right path
Red belts in Korea is a kyu rank for taekwondo, hapkido, tang soo do and other korean arts. Red belt represents soil and ground and earth however im some system red changed from red to orange like kyokushin and and kenpo. Kenpo and other styles have various red belt systems that represents grandmaster just like judo and jujutsu.
Thanks for this. Didn't know!
Fact is people like belts and ranks. However skill is more important.
I know. I agree. It's a goal. People love goals.
@@MMABJJChamps Tried to remedy this with my Karate students. I wanted to do white, black, and instructor black as the only ranks. My students hated this idea.
I know, people want the journey, they want to get a tap on their shoulder here and there.
@@MMABJJChamps This is true but it tends to be more ritual than function.
The lower ranks make sense as a progression. However, the martial arts tend to over-value experience to the point of absurdity.
For those who speak Portuguese, the video is about is a Hed Belch.
Thanks man !
I'm sure the belt means a lot in certain circles, but the modern perception of it is just another layer of Gracie politics and dogma. People don't talk about it because it looks like an award old Brazilian guys give to each other for being particularly old and Brazilian. There isn't a competitive black belt alive who has their heart or sense of self-worth set on this purely symbolic garment.
Hahahaha OLD and Brazilian. Good one
The name coral is not because of coral reefs. It's because of the coral snake, or cobra coral, that in Brazil has many colour patterns, but most of them are red and white, red and black, or even red, white and black.
Yea noted, thank youf ro your comment
Judo has the coral belt too, and it’s Japanese.
It doesnt take 10 yrs to get a black belt, many who train professionally get it in 5 or 6 yrs.
In general bro. Don't look for the exceptions! If you are a regular dude that trains 2-3 times a week. You will get it around 10 years.
If youre lucky, athletic, dont get injured and have good training partners.. many people take far longer.. @@MMABJJChamps
The Coral has nothing to do with a coral from the sea. It actually stand for CORAL SNAKE, an animal from Brazil
Yea I know, noted thanks!
Gracies never even achieved the black belt under anyone
They self promoted to black and then to red
Its just a meaningless way they fallated themselves and close friends
Yet these useless non- black belts changed the martial arts world lol. No judo black belt did that. So why all the hating?
It has to start somewhere no ?
Right? Especially when the belts are incredibly exclusive.
Either it's a "I want to be recognized, but I can do that looking like any other black belt."
Or someone genuinely asked the one of the Gracies "With all the black belts out there, what makes you different than the rest." And they might have taken that personally.
We'll never know why they did it exactly, what we do know is that they keep making up exclusive belts for only themselves.
Which is not a good look no matter how legit thier Jiu-jitsu is.
Kodokan records show the late Helio Gracie as a 6th dan (red/white).
AND??
Who do you think promoted the 1st karate black belts... the 1st judo black belt?? Gotta start somewhere with someone.
A red belt doesn't mean anything if the old person having it cannot defeat a young/stronger black belt holder. BUT I still respect the time and sacrifice that went into obtaining it.
Yes its a lot more about respect than talent at that point, like you said.
You need 10 years to get a black belt? But didn't BJ Penn and others get theirs in like 4 years? Lol
Well others ? These fighters are execption. ( like I said in the video also ) The majority gets it in 10 years... People that dedicate their life and have martial art experience are the not same off course.
I feel that because of the strong Brazillian influence, more American Ju Jitsu schools will open, With less restrictions on rank.
I know. I guess for the better
I guess the white belt with red bar would be 9.5 degree belt!
HAHAHA love it
everything after black belt is nonsense, the belts in comp mean you don't get put in a division your not ready for. competition black belts in their athletic prime are the pinnacle of bjj. other than that its old men looking for recognition and attention, like a women doing a dance on tiktok. special ranks because your old and not as good as you used to be is silly. something invented so they could try and keep control and an image of superiority once alot of new people got blackbelts and surpassed them in ability.
First time I think of it this way. Kinda cool analogy
Strange, that wasn't my dream at all, as a 12 years old high red belt basically a red belt with black electric tape stripe indicating the next belt up.. I actually didn't want to take the black belt test simply because I was very shy and didn't want to lead the class in the stretch outs before sparing practices as I was told I would be required to do after passing the test. all eyes on me rows of At least 30 people all looking at me as I did butterfly stretches was scary to me at that age 😅 I never liked being put into the spotlight. I recall The Korean Dojo Owner Master was a very important person and my step father who payed so much money and carted me an hour there and back wasn't very happy with it but, accepted that I didn't want the black belt testing.. so I was just happy to drop out and just be a kid.
Hope you are now happy !
Red belts are for old people
Because they've been doing Jiu Jitsu longer that young people have even been alive.
@@JoseGarcia-tr9mp ive been doing it for over 25 years not as good as was feel like wearing a lower belt sometimes
Old and experience
I'm a brazilian. "Coral" refers to some species of snake. The pattern of red, black and white is similar to a "cobra coral". It's not related to the sea creatures called coral.
Thanks for letting me know ! Noted
This video was missing where the significance of the belts came from.
Thanks. Good to know. Noted!
Frankly, I'd rather just not bother with a belt above black. The IBJJF are NOT a governing federation, and the belts are typically given out based on skill. According to the first BB in your own video, to the IBJJF he wouldn't be recognised as a BB due to getting his in less than 10 years.
Give degrees at increasing increments, but leave the red belts to history and for gracie circle-jerking.
Cool analysis! Thanks for sharing.
As long as there's judo there's a red belt since BJJ was originally just judo. The Gracie's learned judo
True that
Love and admire the Gracie's but gotta say Ricksons reaction to receiving his red belt by Rorion was pretty disrespectful and unappreciative of all his friends making the trip and a little narcissistic.
Kinda of a harsh moment indeed.
Dude was mooning the crowd
Loooool
4:41 was crazy
Nice thanks!
Yes the red belt is very important.. it is the equivalent to the brown belt. Karate uses brown belt and tae kwon do has the red belt. They are both the belts you earn before black and there are 3 degrees at least, in both colors before the black belt test. So yes red belts are very important
I wish more people can attained it though.
anyone complaining Rickson got any belt , is crazy... we are talking here about a Gi BJJ Goat..
"Why is it called coral? Uhhh.. the ocean! coral reefs!"
Hahaha, got you :) Thanks for commenting.
I have never trained BJJ, but I always have wondered why nobody trains clinch work while standing in any of the videos I watch? That is a part of BJJ and some of the trips and throws along with establishing strong underhooks is a major peice of it. Maybe I just have never seen them do it too.
Very hard to get into a clinch position, because you can stop it very easily.