I’m now just imagining aziraphale purposely not adding a way for wheelchair user to get in just to keep more people out of the shop lol, like eventually he’s just going to miracle away the doors
@RiverThief also Maggie and Nina since they seem like people he would trust to not mess up the books and I just like to headcannon the 4 of them have wine nights at the bookshop
As a Jewish person in my community the stance on disabled people tends to come from moses at the burning bush: Moses complains that he doesn't speak well and so pharo wont listen to him. God responds with: "And god said to him, “Who gives humans speech? Who makes them dumb or deaf, seeing or blind? Is it not I, god?"" And sends him to go anyway. Doesn't heal him. Only when moses begs not to have to speak god lets him bring his brother to speak on his behalf. From that the sages teach that god decides who is able and disabled and that we should do what we can with them, and seek accommodation where we struggle, and not to expect miraculous healing from god directly. Thats how my sect of Judaism treats it. Just if you wanted to know.
There's also an explicit line in Leviticus (19:14) about accessibility and discrimination: “You shall not insult the deaf, or place a stumbling block before the blind.”
@@KyleRayner12 yes, however that line is more in regards to not taking advantage of the disenfranchised. I was specifically referring to the point on faith healing.
God chooses who's disabled and who's not, right I get that just because magical authority power. Also just randomly forces it on abled people at any point for lols too. All Saints First School taught me he would heal me if I asked, at 4, born disabled. It's been nearly 30 years and I still think, if he's real, he's not 'all-loving'. He's a jerk and I want him to experience all the trauma he's inflicted on all of us by making us exist where we're hated. I wanna know if I did something in a previous life to deserve this that I have no clue about because why would you subject an innocent person to have a crappy life rejected from the disabled world but hated by the abled world for the lols? If you could inflict that suffering onto someone who's not even born yet, why would you? Why is it fun or funny? That's evil isn't it?
Honestly the nonhuman nonbinary trope gets a bad rap but I think that the problem isn't that trope itself but the lack of human nonbinary characters in general, because it actually makes so much sense for nonhuman characters not to fit within the confines of gender because gender is a human social construct.
That might also depend on what media classifies as non-human. In Chinese made fantasies, spirits are often depicted as regular animals with the ability to take on a human appearance, depending on their cultivation level (An example in folklore is "The Legend of the White Snake").
Yeah like so many problematic tropes aren't bad in and of themselves, it's just the fact that we've seen them so much or not seen anything different enough that they become a problem. Like even all the lesbians dying in things, that would be fine if they were dying and surviving just as much as straight men in things but it was the fact that like every single lesbian character ever was dying and never getting a happy ending that made it a problem.
I like to write, and I’m writing faeries, and faeries don’t have gender. (At least in my version) I think this is fine personally, because all the characters are really human, fleshed out, and get a lot of angst.
I'm really sick of the "magic/ alien nature makes them non binary" trope. Were real people. But good omens gets a pass for me because they don't have much human characters and there is non binary rep in the human background characters
I love that Saraquel was not written with a disability in mind. The producer/writer/director/someone just thought that Liz Carr's humor and sarcasm were perfect for the part.
My whole family were huge fans of the book when I was growing up. As a result, it was *very* amusing to watch Season 1 with my mother, during which she at one point turned to me and asked, "Were they gay in the book? I don't remember."
@@charleston1789 My mom's a tad oblivious. She doesn't see Simon in Pirate Radio as queercoded even though there's a joke wherein he announces, "I'm getting married!" *five second awkward silence* "... to a woman!"
did you know that Maggie's actor is autistic and she has said recently she played Maggie in the show as autistic, it's worth mentioning that many autistic and ADHD people see themselves in various characters in the show, adding more to the disability rep. This is all without mentioning the diversity in BIPOC actors in the show, which is also amazing!! I also absolutely love Aziraphale as a character portraying religious trauma, as someone who has grown up in the church and is queer (and likely autistic as well).
la definizione di Aziraphale nel libro (traduzione italiana) è: "Le prime impressioni che Azraphel suscitava in chi facesse conoscenza con lui, erano tre: che fosse un gentleman inglese, che fosse intelligente, e che fosse più vivace di un albero pieno di scimmie intossicate da un gas esilarante. Due di queste erano errate: l’Inghilterra non è il Paradiso, checché ne dicano certi poeti, e gli angeli sono privi di sesso, a meno che non decidano il contrario.". Sicuramente io sono di parte, ma corrisponde più ad ADHD che autismo. Comunque non valuterei esseri eterei con criteri umani, per quanto ne abbiano le sembianze. Anche Crowley mi sembra piuttosto ADHD e DOP... ognuno vede ciò che più gli piacerebbe vedere 😍
If you watch Aziraphale's eyes when he is giving the speech to Crowley in the bookshop about Heaven being "truth" and "light" and Crowley being "one of he bad guys" (he doesn't actually believe this) you can see him looking to his left again and again. The Metabastard (sorry I effing HATE him!) is standing across the road, facing the bookshop (you see him turn towards the shop after his discussion with Muriel about the book she is reading) and he is watching the argument between Azi and Crowley. It is possible, as the shop doesn't have double glazed windows, that he can also HEAR what is being said, or at least, Azi thinks he can hear their conversation, so he is trying to say what the Metatron expects him to say, whilst conveying to Crowley by looking left again and again, "The Metatron is listening, I can't say what I REALLY want to say. I love you too. Come with me to Heaven and we can fix it and be together properly, without Heaven and Hell's interference" This makes it even sadder, because Crowley can't read between the lines and he takes what Azi says at face value, that "Heaven is good, Hell is bad and you are not good enough as you are, so I want to make you into an Angel again." They can't communicate, but that isn't their fault, entirely, as they have been talking in code and not communicating for 6000 years, trying to protect each other from the wrath of their respective "sides" and not letting them know that they love each other. Boy, I am looking forward to these two finally sorting things out in Season 3, it's going to be a doozy!
ohoughmgh you just reminded me of a meta analysis on tumblr that said that aziraphale *knows* crowley was too good for heaven, has known for a *long* time, and wants to change heaven to be something crowley would be proud to be part of, because he remembers how joyous he was before he fell. how much he loved his work. agony
Our family was never explicitly religious (though I did attend an Episcopal private school for one year in junior high), simply noticing that the only disabled people who showed up in the story of Jesus were there to have the disabled identities erased was the first crack in my inherited worldview that led me to be an atheist. So yeah, having a wheelchair-using senior angel is a big deal.
My favorite thing about Good Omens is that Gaiman had no interesst originally in making a sequel and was only involved in the original project because Terry Pratchet, his friend who he came up with and wrote the original book idea with and who according to him, liked and cared about the book way more than him. SO he made sure to be part of the production for the sake of making sure it would be a good adaptation for the sake of his beloved friend who had died. Then as a result of working on the show, he got ideas for a continuation! Also apparently Azirafael and Crowley's friendship in the original book was apparently heavily based on their friendship
"who according to him, liked and cared about the book way more than him." Can you tell me where Neil Gaiman said this? Because I've never heard or read of him saying anything about not caring much about the book.
Actually, Neil and Terry planned a sequel together in a hotel room one night. They never wrote it down, but it was completely plotted. When Terry died he asked Neil to make the book into a tv show or film (Season 1) and after it was a huge success, Neil decided to make the sequel that they had plotted together into a tv show as well. Problem was, there was a gap between the end of Season 1 (and the book) and the sequel, where Azi and Crowley had to have been separated, so Neil wrote Season 2 to bridge that gap, and bring the plot to the point where it needed to be for Season 3 to begin. I hope this makes sense.
Muriel is reading The Crow Road. Among other things, The Crow Road is about finding someone who has disappeared. Throughout the season are references to charcacters being written out of existence via The Book Of Life. It was established this season that Azi wrote extensive journals that have, presumably, been left in the bookshop. Muriel is left the bookshop and has an established desire to learn and read. Muriel has been styled as a policeman - who do investigations as a part of their job. Are people erased from existence or existence's memory? Because Crowley has expressed the ability to over come divine memory wipes.
I read an excellent analysis once that suggested that it's not quite as simple as Aziraphale buying into Heaven more than Crowley does into Hell. Basically, Heaven is the original cult: obey and agree with us on all things, or suffer the ultimate fate of Falling. The implication that there is nothing worse than to Fall, and the terror of being anything other than an obedient angel 1000% invested in Heaven, guides most of his early approach/attitude towards Crowley. There's an implied parallel between him and Nina, as he's trapped in a very unhealthy relationship with his community that binds his self-worth, identity, and sense of safety up in the fundamentally unstable ability to be a "good" angel, which he already knows he isn't by associating with Crowley. The reason he leaps to bring Crowley with him isn't just that he thinks Heaven is better. It's that he thinks he's finally been offered an opportunity to have his relationship with Crowley without threatening everything he's been told he needs.
A friend of mine is blind. Her Catholic mother always tried to get her to be a saint and "give up her suffering to God". If I ever get my hands on that woman, it won't be pretty.
As a queer and disabled Christian, it is wonderfully refreshing. It hurts when people make jokes in the queer community about people like us not being able to get into heaven due to our existence (and also when cishet people say it not as a joke, of course), so it is so nice to see a piece of media that really commits to disability, gender, and sexuality not entirely mattering to angels and demons.
I’d like to take this opportunity to hype one of my favorite fanfics (of any fandom), Demonology and the Triphasic Model of Trauma by Nnm: As soon as Aubrey Thyme, psychotherapist, had opened her office door and seen her new client, Anthony J. Crowley, sitting in her waiting area, she was observing and assessing him. At first glance, she paid attention to the following: --His clothing was expensive and stylish; --He wore very strange but noticeable cologne; --His relationship to the seat he occupied could only, very loosely, be described as “sitting;” --He looked angry; --He was wearing sunglasses. What Aubrey Thyme, a professional, thought, upon first seeing her new client was: you’re going to be a fun one, aren’t you?
Ooh that seems cool Edit: i found it. Literally just search up “demonology and the triphasic model of trauma” on google and its the first result. It’s on AO3 and the author is Nnm like OP said
Thank you for this rec. I finished this video earlier today and I have done nothing else but read that fix in its entirety in one sitting. It was amazing. I sobbed through the entire last chapter. The Aziraphale one is apparently finished so onto that one next. Thank you for giving this rec and changing my L I F E
As someone who is both queer and disabled, I found Good Omens 2 not only incredibly entertaining but also almost... healing. I grew up in a Christian cult that practiced faith healing and conversion therapy (I escaped after 25 years). Seeing an angelic being share my disability when church reassured me my whole life that I would feel my death was a blessing when I got to heaven, because my imperfect body would be stripped away and would no longer be a "problem" like it was on earth. And seeing a Sapphic couple actively being rooted for, and non-binary pronouns respected by divine beings all at the same time... I nearly cried multiple times watching Good Omens 2. Fuck people who say representation doesn't matter.
I honestly recommend watching it, though.. the last maybe 15 minutes of the last episode may be a bit rough to watch so i do understand being kinda scared. But it was worth it, at least for me (despite being emotionally unstable afterwards). So yeah, if anything, I would just mentally prepare myself when nearing the end of that episode.
Season 2 is a delightful season; the last quarter hour might be painful but the rest of the season is absolutely worth it. The mini-sodes alone are worth the hurt. And we all know season 3 is going to happen.
I can see how Azi could be naive. And he didn't choose to separate from heaven like Crowley. He was forced... However, I don't think he is that naive. The smile at the end is an I've got a plan/intentions smile. During the attempted confession and kiss, Metatron was watching and Azi knew this. You can see him looking at the window. His phrasing is awkward and stilted. It looks at times like he is trying to communicate something. Afterwards there are a couple of moments of Azi seeming to look for excuses, reasons to delay/stay. I don't think he has been won over by Metatron. He just would have preferred to have Crowley there with him.
Yes! After several re-watches, I'm fairly certain that the Metatron left Azi with no choice at all. Give me coffee (agree to re-join heaven) or give me death (of Crowley?). It's just that the final part of E6 is so packed with emotion -- and such amazing acting by David and Michael -- that we, the viewers, are hyped up on that emotion. We're only following the surface story at this point, carried along by the wave. But this show has so many layers, it's unreal. And I don't think Azi has anything to apologize for. Neither of them communicated this season.
I love love love you commenting on my favorite show But, in fact, you missed another disabled angel! In the Job Minisode, when Gabriel and the Heavenly Folks come to give back Job everything he lost, a male angel stands on the left and this actor only has one arm. You can see it very good in Minute 35:40! God created mankind in THEIR own image... and angelkind too
I think the opening scene is the most important scene to contextualise Aziraphale immediately leaping at the chance to make Crowley an angel again. Aziraphale wants to bring back the angel that smiled so brightly at the stars, that marvelled with glee at the beauty of everything. He wants to give Crowley that chance at happiness, but doesn't realise the only thing Crowley wants is him.
Liz Carr unexpectedly popping up in shows I watch like The OA, Witcher, Loki and Good Omens. I randomly watched this 2021 movie Infinite and BLAM there she is!
I first watched her in 'Silent Witness' and she was so good in that, it's obvious when I saw her in this season, I squealed, though I wish she had a little bit more screen time.
Your videos have provided great insight for me personally into the disabled experience of others and my own. I am incredibly thankful for everything you do here on youtube. I hope life is treating you well and that at some point, when the time is right, you return to the channel. Wishing you a happy holidays and a happy new year! I hope your christmas was relaxing :]
There is more subtle but visible disability in season 2. Take a closer look at the angels that are with Gabriel and Michael at the end of episode 2. I remember one of the having Down syndrome and one is missing an arm.
I loved the queerness of season two, and the disability rep too. About the difference of view between Aziraphale and Crowley, someone did an excellent job of explaining it (I don't remember who or where I read it unfortunately) : Aziraphale thinks the system is corrupted and must be healed ; Crowley thinks the system works as it was intented to and must be destroyed.
Great video. Great that you nailed some religions' belief that disability is something to be 'healed' from - even the result of sin, of Karma in a previous life. Having a disability is just a random fact, like the colour of your eyes or your hair, a fact of life, and as someone who lives with a disability, I love to see Liz there just because she's the best actor for the role, and that's all!
I too hope we get more Liz Carr in season 3. She was great. I suspect that Doug McKinnon recommending her for the role also led to hiring disabled extras as well. Not that Gaiman would have been opposed to this. But I suspect that his conversation with Liz might have moved him farther in this direction (I hope someone asks him in an interview). Did you notice the angels in the background of the Job minisode? One had one arm. And another appeared to have Downs syndrome. I thought it was another wonderful reminder that "perfection" as it's understood by heaven includes bodies of all sorts.
Such a good essay on these points, the visible disability aspect hadn’t occurred to me (as my disabilities are ‘invisible’) and I love what the show did with it. Plus to say I was squeeing in delight at all the queerness this season is an understatement
Hi, if you're looking for suggestions for videos down here, I have one for you: ablism/dyslexia in Little Witch Academia, Akko and Diana both have the natural magic inside them taken away by chariot/ursala and the way this reads for akko is reminiscent of how it felt to be dyslexic while growing through school, akko gets bullied about this constantly in the first season, she is automatically assumed to not be capable of winning competitions or excluding her from events due to her low attunement The episode I found this ring closest in is s1e7: orange submariner, In the Ep, akko tried her best to pass her exams, but despite her best efforts (like genuinely letting all her personal time, sleep, and work go to revising) she fails to get a grade above a c- in any class (besides one) leading her to be threatened to be expelled over it, with a line that genuinely broke me when she says to her tutor, "please don't say your disappointed." Akko did nothing wrong (at this point) she studied, she worked hard, she was trying her hardest, but due to a factor outside of her control, she wasn't on the level of other students. But she still assumes that Ursula would be ashamed of her. similar to the attitude and reality around dyslexia/disgraphia/ect. Anyway just if you were intrested:
Especialy how in the first season it says that form affects nature, with how the hell hound turned into a small mutt, and began to act like one within days of its transformation. Crowley and Aziraphale spend millenia appearing as humans.
Thank you for this video! I'm writing an essay about disability in media for my finals, and this is one more example I can add, I hadn't even thought about it
So I watched this when it first came out and I had not watched Good Omens before. Now I'm watching it for the second time when I literally just finished Season 1 and have not started Season 2 yet.
great video! I firmly believe Saraqael will become an ally in season 3 for thwarting the Second Coming because of one single moment. Remember when Crowley was in heaven with Muriel looking into what happened to Gabriel? When Saraqael gets there, she not only is not hostile towards Crowley (she does reprimand Muriel, though, if I'm not mistaken) when she talks about having met him and worked with him before he fell, but she encourages Crowley to watch Gabriel's trial and understand what was going on. Also, I recently noticed the paralel between both finales (both Aziraphale and Gabriel commit "treason" by not cooperating with Armaggedon. Aziraphale gets kidnapped and sentenced to death while Gabriel is given a trial. Not a really fair one, that's true, but it was still a trial)
Hi! Sorry if this isn't the correct place to put this, but you've mentioned people making suggestions in the comments before; I'm not sure if this is your purview since it's more meta than media analysis, but have you considered talking about the accessibility issues with the Spiderverse movies? While they've been praised up down and sideways for their art direction and animation style, that same art direction and animation style has made the movies literally painful for photosensitive individuals to watch. There are viewer beware threads posted all over r/migraines and r/epilepsy. I literally can't watch five minutes of the films without feeling the edges of nausea because of my own migraine disorder, and there are accounts of people throwing up, passing out, or having to be driven home from showings of the films- especially egregious with the second movie after the first one came out and people were begging Sony to at least put a photosensitive/flashing/strobing warning at the start of the movie. If this isn't really your cup of tea, have a comment for the algorithm, lol.
In all fairness about the Maggie and Nina setup situation, Crowley and Azi weren’t just doing it for their own amusement but to keep Heaven all the way off their backs. Also, I find it a little funny how Maggie and Nina walk all the way from their busy coffee shop, of course the chewing out part was important, just to be like “here’s something about YOUR love life tho..” It felt kind of hypocritical to be honest.
I’ve been writing a story with a none biblical heaven / hell I’ve had to consider how Life and Soul work together. Soul is personality while life is body and work together but Soul goes to afterlife while body is left behind Disability’s will always effect the soul even with out life. If you were paralyzed and went to this version of heaven you could stand or move slightly but you don’t get all control back, all feeling back. You get minor improvements but it not fixed I have Tourette’s to this story my tics would no longer effect me I have no physical brain to cause the tics but those traits I have because of my brains development (I present with autistic traits while not having the survaroty of Autism itself thank to the tourrets brain) those trait will vary over it’s an aspect of who I am and my disablity. Same with dyslexia, I will always struggle even if my brain which was the disabled part is gone Every disablity is different but they don’t just completely disappear and that’s something I’ve really had to think about for this storyline and the setting
Oakwrym! Have you ever heard of the jrpg game Zenless Zone Zero? Not only is one of the playable characters (Von Lycaon) disabled, but in a message to the player he asks if he can have a movie where the mc looks like him. It just means a lot where a disabled character not only looks to the camera and says "I'm disabled and I'm interested in media where theres disability rep", but he's also simultaneously "the hot" one in the cast. Like yesss, we can he baddies fr fr
May I suggest for a review the show Our Flag Means Death? It has a handful of amputees and several cases of ptsd represented kinda well at least in the first season, tho I must forewarn one of them may be triggering to watch (amputation) despite being a comedy show, and it dealt with the death of one character in a...rather nasty way, to put it plainy.
I would love to see you make a review on a show called See, it's an apple TV original and it tackles a concept that it's set in a post apocalyptic future where all of humanity is born Blind. It has actors like Jason momoa and I've heard it's gotten alot of love from people. I would love to see how you feel about the premise of all the characters having disabilities as important aspects to the worldbuilding
When I first saw the second season, I was a bit stunned by the tonal shift, though. The first season felt more like a romantic comedy, and the second one kind of felt like a different show entirely; it's like comparing Lewis Caroll to Charles Dickens. Then again, Gaiman had to write this without Pratchett, so I guess I shouldn't be too surprised.
Gaiman wanted to follow the spirit of the book he and Terry wrote together and not change things too much for the first season. Season 2 is a bridge to take us to season 3 which is the story he and Terry had plotted as a sequel and much more Aziraphale/Crowley focused than the book and season 1.
Faith healers? I never heard of them…oh wait it just came to me. They’re trying to be Jesus. Oh that’s very bad. Also I real want to watch Good Omans now.
I don't like faith healers, and I think most are trying to be cult leaders but... the bible does specify that any church elder can heal the sick through prayer. So they're just doing as the bible instructs.
Hi! Could you talk about the disabled representation on season 3 of Brigerton? I'm kinda loving the way Francesca and her beloved are very autistic in my eyes
really great video! do you watch Doctor Who by any chance? i feel like there's so much ground you could cover on queerness and disability in a video like this even in just the newest season alone!
There were several ACTORS who appear in both seasons but Shax, Maggie, Nina and Furfur are new characters just played by actors who also appeared in S1. Jim is actually still Gabriel although we don't get to the truth about that until the last episode. Which is why most fans call him Jimbriel.
Fantastic analysis of the themes and characters! Well done! What're your favourite parts from both Season 1 and 2, Oakwyrm? 😀 I'm unfortunately very lukewarm on Season 2, I found the pacing to be all over the place, and a lot of comedic scenes made me wince instead of laugh. The pandemic might've done a number on production stability, but that's just my own speculation. The last two episodes I did like somewhat [though the last 15 minutes had me yelling 'Go back! Go back!' repeatedly]. I really wish I liked it more. Here's hoping Season 3 will be amazing. Also, something I noticed: in season 1, or, the script for season 1, it's mentioned that B's pronouns are zeeee/ziiiir [because, flies]. So I wonder if that was a deliberate change for Season 2 or just a mistake?
I only hope that i get this much right with the inclusivity in my WIP, because obviously my writing talent is vastly inferior to Neil Gaiman and Sir Terry Pratchett's. 😂
17:19 that lyric "was blind but now i see" is a metaphor, it's not about literal blindness. it's a recurring theme in the bible, that believers were once 'blind' or ignorant of the blessings and love of God before they became believers, and now they can 'see'. the 'blindness' was wandering aimlessly, no hope in life, but now being able to see is accepting the gift of salvation and having God to guide them, having faith and hope sorry but that comment there just irked me and rubbed me the wrong way
That is still using blindness / disability as a metaphor for something unwanted / bad. Which is one very common form of casual ableism. (My POV: I use a walker and am not a fan of people calling things "lame" - people with mobility limitations are not negatively loaded adjectives, we are just one, quite common, way of being human, and a minority anyone can join at any time)
So few people actually even acknowledge the rampant ableism is Christianity, as a bitter disabled ex-mormon this season was SUCH a breath of fresh air. There's also a reason why me (and mostly my only still mormon family member) emphasize So Much that in the canon text, Jesus *Asked For Consent* before changing anyone's state of ability!!
Absolutely not that queer representation in media needs to be “justified” because that’s bs, but I have a pet theory that I like because it’s cute about all the shopkeepers that are highlighted being very explicitly queer, being that Aziraphale (and Crowley) have unintentionally made the street a safe space for queer shopkeepers to work without vandalism or harassment. Aziraphale has been pegged as, for lack of a better word, “fruity” for centuries at this point, so I theorize that any time his bookshop was targeted by homophobic vandals or anyone tried to get physically or verbally abusive, he and/or Crowley would just quietly miracle it away (a friend gave the idea of a vandal trying to throw a brick through a window and Crowley just makes them drop it on their foot without breaking stride which I found hilarious), so they created a bubble where minority entrepreneurs could set up shop and have a “guardian angel” effortlessly thwarting ‘phobes with bad intentions and built a community around the quirky local book salesman and his moody boyfriend who occasionally swaggers by for a visit.
Dunno if this is allowed but could you please someday cover the movie Tokyo Godfathers? Has a canon trans woman in the main trio and she's amazing and I adore your reviews so I'd love to see your thoughts! Got a whole dub in 2020 too that made the rep more explicit so yea
I would love to hear your thoughts on a show like Arcane (on Netflix) if you want! It's got a lot of disability & queer rep and I'm really interested on your thoughts on how the show handles it.
Jinx is crazy and violent, Silco is the violent main villain, and Viktor (back then Oak based it on LOL lore) becomes a robot because human bodies are worthless.
@ Like I said in another comment, I looked through his channel already and couldn't find any videos related to Arcane :( Do you maybe remember if he took it down for any reason? Maybe he changed his mind?
Personally, I was so disappointed with how they handled Crowley and Aziraphales relationship. I related so hard to them as a great representation of asexual (and possibly aromantic) life parters. But the new season completely undermines this take and it honestly broke my heart. This show was the first time I looked at a couple and thought "that is what I want" and losing that hurt.
I feel similarly. This is one of the reasons the book remains one of my favorites but the show is no longer one. I have seen a lot of other people be really happy about this turn of events and I want to be happy for them but I was just...sad. They are for me, life goals when it comes to a QPR and i was dissapointed when that felt like a reading that no longer fit the show
When I first saw the second season, I was a bit stunned by the tonal shift. The first season felt more like a romantic comedy, and the second one kind of felt like a different show entirely; it's like comparing Lewis Caroll to Charles Dickens. Then again, Gaiman had to write this without Pratchett, so I guess I shouldn't be too surprised.
I suspect, but also hope, that their relationship remains asexual. But what happened in the Final Fifteen had nothing to do with showing love. Neil Gaiman even posted about it saying as much. Something happened during that moment, I don't know what yet, but something happened. We may just have to wait until S3. As Neil said, if you couldn't tell that they loved each other before that moment, you probably won't ever get it.
Elliot page considered just continuing playing Vanya, but Gerard and the showrunners said they wanted to include Victor transitioning and he has such wonderful scenes! Fantastic trans character. ...But Harlan is by far one of the worst ways to use an autistic character and Oakwyrm would probably not enjoy it at all.
OK fine i will go whatch good omens ( ihavd whwtcged it 10000 times ) ,,, there is queernes in the book , there was more queernes in the first series , there was so much queernes in the second seris , we can only hope feven more in the second seris ( god usess in the first seris she her by the angle,s)
@@ThePrincessCH Maybe they meant that the first series was written by Charles Dickens and ... oh no, it must have been Lewis... oh no, wait, there must be something that can make you shit on Gainman in every comment, whilest Terry actually was very happy to work with him and even became .... (dare I say it?...) friends. Now you can continue whining about it, but it's never going to change the fact that you will hate Season 3 even more, cause guess who's going to write that too?!!! (enter evil laugh)
Very interesting, thank you! Christianity doesn't imply that there is something wrong with every disabled person. John 9:1-3: As he was passing along, he saw a man who had been blind from birth. And his disciples asked him: “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, so that he was born blind?” Jesus answered: “Neither this man sinned nor his parents, but it was so that the works of God might be made manifest in his case.
I’m now just imagining aziraphale purposely not adding a way for wheelchair user to get in just to keep more people out of the shop lol, like eventually he’s just going to miracle away the doors
And the windows lol
@@King-of-Corvids eventually the whole shop will be invisible to everyone but him, Crowley, and Muriel
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@RiverThief also Maggie and Nina since they seem like people he would trust to not mess up the books and I just like to headcannon the 4 of them have wine nights at the bookshop
As a Jewish person in my community the stance on disabled people tends to come from moses at the burning bush:
Moses complains that he doesn't speak well and so pharo wont listen to him.
God responds with: "And god said to him, “Who gives humans speech? Who makes them dumb or deaf, seeing or blind? Is it not I, god?""
And sends him to go anyway. Doesn't heal him. Only when moses begs not to have to speak god lets him bring his brother to speak on his behalf.
From that the sages teach that god decides who is able and disabled and that we should do what we can with them, and seek accommodation where we struggle, and not to expect miraculous healing from god directly.
Thats how my sect of Judaism treats it. Just if you wanted to know.
There's also an explicit line in Leviticus (19:14) about accessibility and discrimination: “You shall not insult the deaf, or place a stumbling block before the blind.”
that's awesome
@@KyleRayner12 yes, however that line is more in regards to not taking advantage of the disenfranchised. I was specifically referring to the point on faith healing.
Are a reform Jew by any chance? Because I’m reform and this is very similar to the way we view it
God chooses who's disabled and who's not, right I get that just because magical authority power. Also just randomly forces it on abled people at any point for lols too.
All Saints First School taught me he would heal me if I asked, at 4, born disabled.
It's been nearly 30 years and I still think, if he's real, he's not 'all-loving'. He's a jerk and I want him to experience all the trauma he's inflicted on all of us by making us exist where we're hated.
I wanna know if I did something in a previous life to deserve this that I have no clue about because why would you subject an innocent person to have a crappy life rejected from the disabled world but hated by the abled world for the lols?
If you could inflict that suffering onto someone who's not even born yet, why would you? Why is it fun or funny? That's evil isn't it?
Honestly the nonhuman nonbinary trope gets a bad rap but I think that the problem isn't that trope itself but the lack of human nonbinary characters in general, because it actually makes so much sense for nonhuman characters not to fit within the confines of gender because gender is a human social construct.
That might also depend on what media classifies as non-human. In Chinese made fantasies, spirits are often depicted as regular animals with the ability to take on a human appearance, depending on their cultivation level (An example in folklore is "The Legend of the White Snake").
Yeah like so many problematic tropes aren't bad in and of themselves, it's just the fact that we've seen them so much or not seen anything different enough that they become a problem. Like even all the lesbians dying in things, that would be fine if they were dying and surviving just as much as straight men in things but it was the fact that like every single lesbian character ever was dying and never getting a happy ending that made it a problem.
Yeah I really like the nonhuman asexual trope as well… we just need more regular people ace rep
I like to write, and I’m writing faeries, and faeries don’t have gender. (At least in my version) I think this is fine personally, because all the characters are really human, fleshed out, and get a lot of angst.
I'm really sick of the "magic/ alien nature makes them non binary" trope. Were real people. But good omens gets a pass for me because they don't have much human characters and there is non binary rep in the human background characters
I love that Saraquel was not written with a disability in mind. The producer/writer/director/someone just thought that Liz Carr's humor and sarcasm were perfect for the part.
My whole family were huge fans of the book when I was growing up. As a result, it was *very* amusing to watch Season 1 with my mother, during which she at one point turned to me and asked, "Were they gay in the book? I don't remember."
Gayer than a tree full of monkeys on nitrous oxide ( quote possibly misremembered)
I mean, it was pretty heavily coded in the book. A nightingale did indeed sing in Berkeley square at the end of it
@@charleston1789 My mom's a tad oblivious. She doesn't see Simon in Pirate Radio as queercoded even though there's a joke wherein he announces, "I'm getting married!" *five second awkward silence* "... to a woman!"
@@KyleRayner12 😆
I literally wheezed at "armageddon't"
did you know that Maggie's actor is autistic and she has said recently she played Maggie in the show as autistic, it's worth mentioning that many autistic and ADHD people see themselves in various characters in the show, adding more to the disability rep. This is all without mentioning the diversity in BIPOC actors in the show, which is also amazing!! I also absolutely love Aziraphale as a character portraying religious trauma, as someone who has grown up in the church and is queer (and likely autistic as well).
I didn’t know Maggie Service was one of us! Yay
la definizione di Aziraphale nel libro (traduzione italiana) è: "Le prime impressioni che Azraphel suscitava in chi facesse conoscenza con lui, erano tre: che fosse un gentleman inglese, che fosse intelligente, e che fosse più vivace di un albero pieno di scimmie intossicate da un gas esilarante. Due di queste erano errate: l’Inghilterra non è il Paradiso, checché ne dicano certi poeti, e gli angeli sono privi di sesso, a meno che non decidano il contrario.". Sicuramente io sono di parte, ma corrisponde più ad ADHD che autismo. Comunque non valuterei esseri eterei con criteri umani, per quanto ne abbiano le sembianze. Anche Crowley mi sembra piuttosto ADHD e DOP... ognuno vede ciò che più gli piacerebbe vedere 😍
The shop keepers spouse is played by Andrew O'Neill, one of my favourite comedians and real actual non binary person!
Lovely ❤😊
If you watch Aziraphale's eyes when he is giving the speech to Crowley in the bookshop about Heaven being "truth" and "light" and Crowley being "one of he bad guys" (he doesn't actually believe this) you can see him looking to his left again and again. The Metabastard (sorry I effing HATE him!) is standing across the road, facing the bookshop (you see him turn towards the shop after his discussion with Muriel about the book she is reading) and he is watching the argument between Azi and Crowley. It is possible, as the shop doesn't have double glazed windows, that he can also HEAR what is being said, or at least, Azi thinks he can hear their conversation, so he is trying to say what the Metatron expects him to say, whilst conveying to Crowley by looking left again and again, "The Metatron is listening, I can't say what I REALLY want to say. I love you too. Come with me to Heaven and we can fix it and be together properly, without Heaven and Hell's interference" This makes it even sadder, because Crowley can't read between the lines and he takes what Azi says at face value, that "Heaven is good, Hell is bad and you are not good enough as you are, so I want to make you into an Angel again." They can't communicate, but that isn't their fault, entirely, as they have been talking in code and not communicating for 6000 years, trying to protect each other from the wrath of their respective "sides" and not letting them know that they love each other. Boy, I am looking forward to these two finally sorting things out in Season 3, it's going to be a doozy!
ohoughmgh you just reminded me of a meta analysis on tumblr that said that aziraphale *knows* crowley was too good for heaven, has known for a *long* time, and wants to change heaven to be something crowley would be proud to be part of, because he remembers how joyous he was before he fell. how much he loved his work. agony
I don’t think so
Our family was never explicitly religious (though I did attend an Episcopal private school for one year in junior high), simply noticing that the only disabled people who showed up in the story of Jesus were there to have the disabled identities erased was the first crack in my inherited worldview that led me to be an atheist.
So yeah, having a wheelchair-using senior angel is a big deal.
My favorite thing about Good Omens is that Gaiman had no interesst originally in making a sequel and was only involved in the original project because Terry Pratchet, his friend who he came up with and wrote the original book idea with and who according to him, liked and cared about the book way more than him. SO he made sure to be part of the production for the sake of making sure it would be a good adaptation for the sake of his beloved friend who had died. Then as a result of working on the show, he got ideas for a continuation! Also apparently Azirafael and Crowley's friendship in the original book was apparently heavily based on their friendship
"who according to him, liked and cared about the book way more than him." Can you tell me where Neil Gaiman said this? Because I've never heard or read of him saying anything about not caring much about the book.
Actually, Neil and Terry planned a sequel together in a hotel room one night. They never wrote it down, but it was completely plotted. When Terry died he asked Neil to make the book into a tv show or film (Season 1) and after it was a huge success, Neil decided to make the sequel that they had plotted together into a tv show as well. Problem was, there was a gap between the end of Season 1 (and the book) and the sequel, where Azi and Crowley had to have been separated, so Neil wrote Season 2 to bridge that gap, and bring the plot to the point where it needed to be for Season 3 to begin. I hope this makes sense.
@@clarestubbs9303 ah, I was slightly off. It was a half remembered thing that I was told second hand a while ago, thanks for the clarification
Muriel is reading The Crow Road. Among other things, The Crow Road is about finding someone who has disappeared.
Throughout the season are references to charcacters being written out of existence via The Book Of Life.
It was established this season that Azi wrote extensive journals that have, presumably, been left in the bookshop.
Muriel is left the bookshop and has an established desire to learn and read.
Muriel has been styled as a policeman - who do investigations as a part of their job.
Are people erased from existence or existence's memory? Because Crowley has expressed the ability to over come divine memory wipes.
And, I believe, was made into a film starring Peter Capaldi, the 13th Doctor. Just to get yet another Whovian connexion in there.
I read an excellent analysis once that suggested that it's not quite as simple as Aziraphale buying into Heaven more than Crowley does into Hell.
Basically, Heaven is the original cult: obey and agree with us on all things, or suffer the ultimate fate of Falling. The implication that there is nothing worse than to Fall, and the terror of being anything other than an obedient angel 1000% invested in Heaven, guides most of his early approach/attitude towards Crowley. There's an implied parallel between him and Nina, as he's trapped in a very unhealthy relationship with his community that binds his self-worth, identity, and sense of safety up in the fundamentally unstable ability to be a "good" angel, which he already knows he isn't by associating with Crowley.
The reason he leaps to bring Crowley with him isn't just that he thinks Heaven is better. It's that he thinks he's finally been offered an opportunity to have his relationship with Crowley without threatening everything he's been told he needs.
Exactly this! 😭😭😭
A friend of mine is blind. Her Catholic mother always tried to get her to be a saint and "give up her suffering to God". If I ever get my hands on that woman, it won't be pretty.
As a queer and disabled Christian, it is wonderfully refreshing. It hurts when people make jokes in the queer community about people like us not being able to get into heaven due to our existence (and also when cishet people say it not as a joke, of course), so it is so nice to see a piece of media that really commits to disability, gender, and sexuality not entirely mattering to angels and demons.
The production hired a few actors with various disabilities for the angels who came to Job and his family
In Hell; Furfur was seen to be wearing a backbrace. 19:39
I’d like to take this opportunity to hype one of my favorite fanfics (of any fandom), Demonology and the Triphasic Model of Trauma by Nnm:
As soon as Aubrey Thyme, psychotherapist, had opened her office door and seen her new client, Anthony J. Crowley, sitting in her waiting area, she was observing and assessing him. At first glance, she paid attention to the following:
--His clothing was expensive and stylish;
--He wore very strange but noticeable cologne;
--His relationship to the seat he occupied could only, very loosely, be described as “sitting;”
--He looked angry;
--He was wearing sunglasses.
What Aubrey Thyme, a professional, thought, upon first seeing her new client was: you’re going to be a fun one, aren’t you?
Ooh that seems cool
Edit: i found it. Literally just search up “demonology and the triphasic model of trauma” on google and its the first result. It’s on AO3 and the author is Nnm like OP said
This is absolutely one of my favourites, I totally recommend reading it.
I just got to chapter 10 and ITS SO GOOD! Highly recommend everyone who sees this to go read it
Thank you for this rec. I finished this video earlier today and I have done nothing else but read that fix in its entirety in one sitting. It was amazing. I sobbed through the entire last chapter. The Aziraphale one is apparently finished so onto that one next. Thank you for giving this rec and changing my L I F E
@@mglouise97 you are so welcome, and I’m so glad some new people now have read this. And she literally just finished the sequel this week!
As someone who is both queer and disabled, I found Good Omens 2 not only incredibly entertaining but also almost... healing. I grew up in a Christian cult that practiced faith healing and conversion therapy (I escaped after 25 years). Seeing an angelic being share my disability when church reassured me my whole life that I would feel my death was a blessing when I got to heaven, because my imperfect body would be stripped away and would no longer be a "problem" like it was on earth. And seeing a Sapphic couple actively being rooted for, and non-binary pronouns respected by divine beings all at the same time... I nearly cried multiple times watching Good Omens 2. Fuck people who say representation doesn't matter.
You made me cry today. Titian, I feel you. “fuck those who say representation doesn’t matter in media”. Ima rewatch Good Omens now. ❤️ 🦉
This is my reminder that i should watch Season 2 even though i am very scared 😟
Why are you scared?
I honestly recommend watching it, though.. the last maybe 15 minutes of the last episode may be a bit rough to watch so i do understand being kinda scared. But it was worth it, at least for me (despite being emotionally unstable afterwards). So yeah, if anything, I would just mentally prepare myself when nearing the end of that episode.
Season 2 is a delightful season; the last quarter hour might be painful but the rest of the season is absolutely worth it.
The mini-sodes alone are worth the hurt. And we all know season 3 is going to happen.
It is in general sweet, hilarious, romantic, thought-provoking and witty.
I can see how Azi could be naive. And he didn't choose to separate from heaven like Crowley. He was forced...
However, I don't think he is that naive. The smile at the end is an I've got a plan/intentions smile.
During the attempted confession and kiss, Metatron was watching and Azi knew this. You can see him looking at the window. His phrasing is awkward and stilted. It looks at times like he is trying to communicate something.
Afterwards there are a couple of moments of Azi seeming to look for excuses, reasons to delay/stay.
I don't think he has been won over by Metatron. He just would have preferred to have Crowley there with him.
Yes! After several re-watches, I'm fairly certain that the Metatron left Azi with no choice at all. Give me coffee (agree to re-join heaven) or give me death (of Crowley?). It's just that the final part of E6 is so packed with emotion -- and such amazing acting by David and Michael -- that we, the viewers, are hyped up on that emotion. We're only following the surface story at this point, carried along by the wave. But this show has so many layers, it's unreal. And I don't think Azi has anything to apologize for. Neither of them communicated this season.
I love love love you commenting on my favorite show
But, in fact, you missed another disabled angel!
In the Job Minisode, when Gabriel and the Heavenly Folks come to give back Job everything he lost, a male angel stands on the left and this actor only has one arm.
You can see it very good in Minute 35:40!
God created mankind in THEIR own image... and angelkind too
Also in the same clip there is an Angel with Down's Syndrome. 💖
I have not spotted them now 🤩
I think the opening scene is the most important scene to contextualise Aziraphale immediately leaping at the chance to make Crowley an angel again. Aziraphale wants to bring back the angel that smiled so brightly at the stars, that marvelled with glee at the beauty of everything. He wants to give Crowley that chance at happiness, but doesn't realise the only thing Crowley wants is him.
I'd love to hear your thoughts on The Hunchback of Notre Dame if you are ever up to do a video on it!
Fun fact about Saraqael, the actress said she was sold on the role when she was told the wheelchair would float
Liz Carr unexpectedly popping up in shows I watch like The OA, Witcher, Loki and Good Omens. I randomly watched this 2021 movie Infinite and BLAM there she is!
I first watched her in 'Silent Witness' and she was so good in that, it's obvious when I saw her in this season, I squealed, though I wish she had a little bit more screen time.
there are even more visibly disabled angels in the background of the Job minisode!
I have never watched good omens, but will sure do now
Strap yourself in, it's going to be a great ride! Watch Season 1 first (obvs) to get the background. Let us know how you get on!
Your videos have provided great insight for me personally into the disabled experience of others and my own.
I am incredibly thankful for everything you do here on youtube. I hope life is treating you well and that at some point, when the time is right, you return to the channel.
Wishing you a happy holidays and a happy new year! I hope your christmas was relaxing :]
Good omens fans rise up!
All the little angels rise up rise up!
There is more subtle but visible disability in season 2. Take a closer look at the angels that are with Gabriel and Michael at the end of episode 2. I remember one of the having Down syndrome and one is missing an arm.
Good Omens's representation of people with disabilities is heartwarming and hopeful to me.
One of my favorite shows honestly ^^
I loved the queerness of season two, and the disability rep too. About the difference of view between Aziraphale and Crowley, someone did an excellent job of explaining it (I don't remember who or where I read it unfortunately) : Aziraphale thinks the system is corrupted and must be healed ; Crowley thinks the system works as it was intented to and must be destroyed.
I always love your videos ; miss you and hope you're doing okay m8
Great video. Great that you nailed some religions' belief that disability is something to be 'healed' from - even the result of sin, of Karma in a previous life. Having a disability is just a random fact, like the colour of your eyes or your hair, a fact of life, and as someone who lives with a disability, I love to see Liz there just because she's the best actor for the role, and that's all!
I too hope we get more Liz Carr in season 3. She was great.
I suspect that Doug McKinnon recommending her for the role also led to hiring disabled extras as well. Not that Gaiman would have been opposed to this. But I suspect that his conversation with Liz might have moved him farther in this direction (I hope someone asks him in an interview).
Did you notice the angels in the background of the Job minisode? One had one arm. And another appeared to have Downs syndrome. I thought it was another wonderful reminder that "perfection" as it's understood by heaven includes bodies of all sorts.
Such a good essay on these points, the visible disability aspect hadn’t occurred to me (as my disabilities are ‘invisible’) and I love what the show did with it. Plus to say I was squeeing in delight at all the queerness this season is an understatement
Me: hmm… what should I watch with my breakfast of buttered and 🍓 jam English muffin?!
Oakwyrm: (uploads new video!)
Me: oh here we go!
Hi, if you're looking for suggestions for videos down here, I have one for you: ablism/dyslexia in Little Witch Academia,
Akko and Diana both have the natural magic inside them taken away by chariot/ursala and the way this reads for akko is reminiscent of how it felt to be dyslexic while growing through school, akko gets bullied about this constantly in the first season, she is automatically assumed to not be capable of winning competitions or excluding her from events due to her low attunement
The episode I found this ring closest in is s1e7: orange submariner,
In the Ep, akko tried her best to pass her exams, but despite her best efforts (like genuinely letting all her personal time, sleep, and work go to revising) she fails to get a grade above a c- in any class (besides one) leading her to be threatened to be expelled over it, with a line that genuinely broke me when she says to her tutor, "please don't say your disappointed."
Akko did nothing wrong (at this point) she studied, she worked hard, she was trying her hardest, but due to a factor outside of her control, she wasn't on the level of other students. But she still assumes that Ursula would be ashamed of her.
similar to the attitude and reality around dyslexia/disgraphia/ect.
Anyway just if you were intrested:
Side note if you do somehow see this I'm okay if you do not wish to credit me, completely up to you!
My biggest fear is that Crowley and Aziraphale will turn into humans in the end. This would theoretically fit their arc, but would be a bad ending.
Especialy how in the first season it says that form affects nature, with how the hell hound turned into a small mutt, and began to act like one within days of its transformation. Crowley and Aziraphale spend millenia appearing as humans.
Thank you for this video! I'm writing an essay about disability in media for my finals, and this is one more example I can add, I hadn't even thought about it
So I watched this when it first came out and I had not watched Good Omens before. Now I'm watching it for the second time when I literally just finished Season 1 and have not started Season 2 yet.
great video! I firmly believe Saraqael will become an ally in season 3 for thwarting the Second Coming because of one single moment. Remember when Crowley was in heaven with Muriel looking into what happened to Gabriel? When Saraqael gets there, she not only is not hostile towards Crowley (she does reprimand Muriel, though, if I'm not mistaken) when she talks about having met him and worked with him before he fell, but she encourages Crowley to watch Gabriel's trial and understand what was going on. Also, I recently noticed the paralel between both finales (both Aziraphale and Gabriel commit "treason" by not cooperating with Armaggedon. Aziraphale gets kidnapped and sentenced to death while Gabriel is given a trial. Not a really fair one, that's true, but it was still a trial)
Hi! Sorry if this isn't the correct place to put this, but you've mentioned people making suggestions in the comments before; I'm not sure if this is your purview since it's more meta than media analysis, but have you considered talking about the accessibility issues with the Spiderverse movies? While they've been praised up down and sideways for their art direction and animation style, that same art direction and animation style has made the movies literally painful for photosensitive individuals to watch. There are viewer beware threads posted all over r/migraines and r/epilepsy. I literally can't watch five minutes of the films without feeling the edges of nausea because of my own migraine disorder, and there are accounts of people throwing up, passing out, or having to be driven home from showings of the films- especially egregious with the second movie after the first one came out and people were begging Sony to at least put a photosensitive/flashing/strobing warning at the start of the movie.
If this isn't really your cup of tea, have a comment for the algorithm, lol.
OMG i just finished watching GO for the 2nd time and this video popped up on my feed! I ADORE GOOD OMENS RAAAAAH ITS INSTANTLY BECOME A HYPERFIXATION
In all fairness about the Maggie and Nina setup situation, Crowley and Azi weren’t just doing it for their own amusement but to keep Heaven all the way off their backs. Also, I find it a little funny how Maggie and Nina walk all the way from their busy coffee shop, of course the chewing out part was important, just to be like “here’s something about YOUR love life tho..” It felt kind of hypocritical to be honest.
I’ve been writing a story with a none biblical heaven / hell
I’ve had to consider how Life and Soul work together. Soul is personality while life is body and work together but Soul goes to afterlife while body is left behind
Disability’s will always effect the soul even with out life. If you were paralyzed and went to this version of heaven you could stand or move slightly but you don’t get all control back, all feeling back. You get minor improvements but it not fixed
I have Tourette’s to this story my tics would no longer effect me I have no physical brain to cause the tics but those traits I have because of my brains development (I present with autistic traits while not having the survaroty of Autism itself thank to the tourrets brain) those trait will vary over it’s an aspect of who I am and my disablity. Same with dyslexia, I will always struggle even if my brain which was the disabled part is gone
Every disablity is different but they don’t just completely disappear and that’s something I’ve really had to think about for this storyline and the setting
Well I know what I'm watching this weekend. Didn't even know there was a season 2.
Oakwrym! Have you ever heard of the jrpg game Zenless Zone Zero?
Not only is one of the playable characters (Von Lycaon) disabled, but in a message to the player he asks if he can have a movie where the mc looks like him.
It just means a lot where a disabled character not only looks to the camera and says "I'm disabled and I'm interested in media where theres disability rep", but he's also simultaneously "the hot" one in the cast. Like yesss, we can he baddies fr fr
May I suggest for a review the show Our Flag Means Death? It has a handful of amputees and several cases of ptsd represented kinda well at least in the first season, tho I must forewarn one of them may be triggering to watch (amputation) despite being a comedy show, and it dealt with the death of one character in a...rather nasty way, to put it plainy.
Thank you for this Video. I was thinking much the Same, but you brought structure to the swamp of my mind.
I would love to see you make a review on a show called See, it's an apple TV original and it tackles a concept that it's set in a post apocalyptic future where all of humanity is born Blind. It has actors like Jason momoa and I've heard it's gotten alot of love from people. I would love to see how you feel about the premise of all the characters having disabilities as important aspects to the worldbuilding
AHHH I've been a fan of yours for a while now and I am so excited that you are covering one of my all time favorite shows!!!!
When I first saw the second season, I was a bit stunned by the tonal shift, though. The first season felt more like a romantic comedy, and the second one kind of felt like a different show entirely; it's like comparing Lewis Caroll to Charles Dickens. Then again, Gaiman had to write this without Pratchett, so I guess I shouldn't be too surprised.
Strange, I thought of the first season as an adventurous-comedy and the second season as a romantic-comedy....
@@channyh.221B Well, either way, the first season felt more like a comedy than the second one.
Gaiman wanted to follow the spirit of the book he and Terry wrote together and not change things too much for the first season. Season 2 is a bridge to take us to season 3 which is the story he and Terry had plotted as a sequel and much more Aziraphale/Crowley focused than the book and season 1.
Faith healers? I never heard of them…oh wait it just came to me. They’re trying to be Jesus. Oh that’s very bad.
Also I real want to watch Good Omans now.
I don't like faith healers, and I think most are trying to be cult leaders but... the bible does specify that any church elder can heal the sick through prayer. So they're just doing as the bible instructs.
Hi! Could you talk about the disabled representation on season 3 of Brigerton? I'm kinda loving the way Francesca and her beloved are very autistic in my eyes
really great video! do you watch Doctor Who by any chance? i feel like there's so much ground you could cover on queerness and disability in a video like this even in just the newest season alone!
Hey, I don't wanna sound naggy, but it's been 5 months since u posted & your last community post was a year ago now. U good?
That's exactly what I'm wondering-
I don’t mind if they don’t post a video for a long bit, but they’re my favorite TH-camr and they are making me concerned
Please be okay Oakwyrm 🙏
actually there are more characters from season 1, maggie and nina were the 2 main nuns in the hospital
There were several ACTORS who appear in both seasons but Shax, Maggie, Nina and Furfur are new characters just played by actors who also appeared in S1. Jim is actually still Gabriel although we don't get to the truth about that until the last episode. Which is why most fans call him Jimbriel.
Fantastic analysis of the themes and characters! Well done! What're your favourite parts from both Season 1 and 2, Oakwyrm? 😀
I'm unfortunately very lukewarm on Season 2, I found the pacing to be all over the place, and a lot of comedic scenes made me wince instead of laugh. The pandemic might've done a number on production stability, but that's just my own speculation. The last two episodes I did like somewhat [though the last 15 minutes had me yelling 'Go back! Go back!' repeatedly]. I really wish I liked it more. Here's hoping Season 3 will be amazing.
Also, something I noticed: in season 1, or, the script for season 1, it's mentioned that B's pronouns are zeeee/ziiiir [because, flies]. So I wonder if that was a deliberate change for Season 2 or just a mistake?
Yeah. The tone shift between the two seasons felt like comparing Lewis Caroll to Charles Dickens.
Would you like to make a "Murder drones" video?
anche gli angeli che formano la corte di Gabriele nella vicenda di Giobbe non mi sembrano scelti con criteri abilisti 😇🥰
I only hope that i get this much right with the inclusivity in my WIP, because obviously my writing talent is vastly inferior to Neil Gaiman and Sir Terry Pratchett's. 😂
A few actors are repeated which s a tad confusing
Do you think you could do an episode about disability representation in Ace Attorney (if you've played)? I'd love to hear your thoughts on Godot
17:19 that lyric "was blind but now i see" is a metaphor, it's not about literal blindness. it's a recurring theme in the bible, that believers were once 'blind' or ignorant of the blessings and love of God before they became believers, and now they can 'see'. the 'blindness' was wandering aimlessly, no hope in life, but now being able to see is accepting the gift of salvation and having God to guide them, having faith and hope
sorry but that comment there just irked me and rubbed me the wrong way
That is still using blindness / disability as a metaphor for something unwanted / bad. Which is one very common form of casual ableism. (My POV: I use a walker and am not a fan of people calling things "lame" - people with mobility limitations are not negatively loaded adjectives, we are just one, quite common, way of being human, and a minority anyone can join at any time)
What about blinded by rage?
Blinded by greed?
Blinded by light?
@@ronjaj.addams-ramstedt1023
Blinded by rage
Blinded by greed don't exist?@@ronjaj.addams-ramstedt1023
Will you do a video on Wicked?
So few people actually even acknowledge the rampant ableism is Christianity, as a bitter disabled ex-mormon this season was SUCH a breath of fresh air. There's also a reason why me (and mostly my only still mormon family member) emphasize So Much that in the canon text, Jesus *Asked For Consent* before changing anyone's state of ability!!
THIS VIDEO MAKES ME SO HAPPY I LOVE GOOD OMENS SO MUCH! SO MUCH!!! IT IS SO QUEER AND AMAZING AND AHHHHHHHHH
Absolutely not that queer representation in media needs to be “justified” because that’s bs, but I have a pet theory that I like because it’s cute about all the shopkeepers that are highlighted being very explicitly queer, being that Aziraphale (and Crowley) have unintentionally made the street a safe space for queer shopkeepers to work without vandalism or harassment. Aziraphale has been pegged as, for lack of a better word, “fruity” for centuries at this point, so I theorize that any time his bookshop was targeted by homophobic vandals or anyone tried to get physically or verbally abusive, he and/or Crowley would just quietly miracle it away (a friend gave the idea of a vandal trying to throw a brick through a window and Crowley just makes them drop it on their foot without breaking stride which I found hilarious), so they created a bubble where minority entrepreneurs could set up shop and have a “guardian angel” effortlessly thwarting ‘phobes with bad intentions and built a community around the quirky local book salesman and his moody boyfriend who occasionally swaggers by for a visit.
Dunno if this is allowed but could you please someday cover the movie Tokyo Godfathers? Has a canon trans woman in the main trio and she's amazing and I adore your reviews so I'd love to see your thoughts! Got a whole dub in 2020 too that made the rep more explicit so yea
I loved your video essay! Agreed; it's a wonderfully queer show.
yay!!
I would love to hear your thoughts on a show like Arcane (on Netflix) if you want! It's got a lot of disability & queer rep and I'm really interested on your thoughts on how the show handles it.
Pretty sure there was a video on season 1
@@vickypedia1308 Really? I looked through his channel and couldn't find anything unfortunately.
I believe Oakwyrm made a video saying how all three disabled characters in Arcane really upset him.
Jinx is crazy and violent, Silco is the violent main villain, and Viktor (back then Oak based it on LOL lore) becomes a robot because human bodies are worthless.
@ Like I said in another comment, I looked through his channel already and couldn't find any videos related to Arcane :( Do you maybe remember if he took it down for any reason? Maybe he changed his mind?
Personally, I was so disappointed with how they handled Crowley and Aziraphales relationship. I related so hard to them as a great representation of asexual (and possibly aromantic) life parters. But the new season completely undermines this take and it honestly broke my heart. This show was the first time I looked at a couple and thought "that is what I want" and losing that hurt.
I feel similarly. This is one of the reasons the book remains one of my favorites but the show is no longer one. I have seen a lot of other people be really happy about this turn of events and I want to be happy for them but I was just...sad. They are for me, life goals when it comes to a QPR and i was dissapointed when that felt like a reading that no longer fit the show
They can still be asexual.
They can't still be asexual. They're not exactly slapping each other's asses or fucking the eyesockets
When I first saw the second season, I was a bit stunned by the tonal shift. The first season felt more like a romantic comedy, and the second one kind of felt like a different show entirely; it's like comparing Lewis Caroll to Charles Dickens. Then again, Gaiman had to write this without Pratchett, so I guess I shouldn't be too surprised.
I suspect, but also hope, that their relationship remains asexual. But what happened in the Final Fifteen had nothing to do with showing love. Neil Gaiman even posted about it saying as much. Something happened during that moment, I don't know what yet, but something happened. We may just have to wait until S3. As Neil said, if you couldn't tell that they loved each other before that moment, you probably won't ever get it.
Hey, just watched umbrella academy and it has probably the best LGBT representation I have ever seen! If you're looking for something to watch
Elliot page considered just continuing playing Vanya, but Gerard and the showrunners said they wanted to include Victor transitioning and he has such wonderful scenes! Fantastic trans character.
...But Harlan is by far one of the worst ways to use an autistic character and Oakwyrm would probably not enjoy it at all.
OK fine i will go whatch good omens ( ihavd whwtcged it 10000 times ) ,,, there is queernes in the book , there was more queernes in the first series , there was so much queernes in the second seris , we can only hope feven more in the second seris ( god usess in the first seris she her by the angle,s)
What do you mean by there was more queerness in the first series?
@@ThePrincessCH Maybe they meant that the first series was written by Charles Dickens and ... oh no, it must have been Lewis... oh no, wait, there must be something that can make you shit on Gainman in every comment, whilest Terry actually was very happy to work with him and even became .... (dare I say it?...)
friends. Now you can continue whining about it, but it's never going to change the fact that you will hate Season 3 even more, cause guess who's going to write that too?!!! (enter evil laugh)
@@channyh.221B Where did I say I didn't like Gaiman?
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Very interesting, thank you! Christianity doesn't imply that there is something wrong with every disabled person. John 9:1-3: As he was passing along, he saw a man who had been blind from birth. And his disciples asked him: “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, so that he was born blind?” Jesus answered: “Neither this man sinned nor his parents, but it was so that the works of God might be made manifest in his case.