Tori, I had never been aware of these therapeutic methods until I stumbled upon your TH-cam channel. By listening to your teachings, which resonate with me, I have experienced my own visceral transformational change. Because of your teaching, I can understand and appreciate the powerful discussion in this video. Your unique ability to explain complex modalities ways is life changing.
Thanks so much for your time. What a beautiful discovery to find the underlying root cause of my destructive symptomology as ultimately a juvenile attempt to help me survive with what little guidance and experience I had when I was traumatised all those years ago, albeit expressed in overtly strange and wonderful ways. I have recently left behind a 25+ year long addiction with alcohol and other extreme interpersonal avoidance behaviours I was not aware of, like talking in 3rd person, or involving all when expressing my opinion to protect myself. Other forms of therapy, while helpful to start to get in touch with myself, have often left me feeling less worth when I eventually failed as the core schema remained. This left little energy to attempt to counteract my destructive behaviours at each setback. Coherence therapy gives me a means to be kind to those parts of me and welcome them home to heal, Thank you Dr. Tori and Dr. Bruce Ecker
Thank you both. It gives me so much joy to see the humanistic existential models find their voice in the modern era of neuroscience. I am so grateful you are putting this content into the world 🙏.
This was so incredible & valuable to me. I feel these videos with yourself and Bruce have opened up new exciting doors for myself & my clients. My mind is happily & satisfyingly blown open. I look forward to continued learning & understandings from you . I am so appreciative of you sharing these with us .
I have been looking for this method for seven years. I felt that this was how therapy should be approached, but found that it rarely was approached this way. And, even when it was, it came only occasionally. And for me, it was only roughly 3x more frequent with help than without, which left me disappointed with the therapy world, and waiting to find someone with an appropriate technique, all the while building a personal method of my own, just from my personal experience. This looks like what I’m after.
Thank you so much for this video. It was so well explained in an easy way. I said the the unfinished sentence and I got an answer I wasn’t expecting. This work is so valuable.
Amazing content, such a hopeful, humanistic approach to people's suffering with solid scientific underpinnings how everyone can create change. This wisdom needs to be shared with the world!
What if the client relapses, say, when he changes jobs and there is a downgrade in way of workplace dynamics: i.e. a multiple critical co-workers and a boss who is as pathological as his father was? I think the technique Bruce describes he is really useful, don't get me wrong, but the reality is that *some people* DO "behave badly", unjustly, abusively, etc. beyond early development and outside of the family of origin, and these schemas can easily flair up in the real world. Saying/implying that people "don't respond like that" (14:26) might lead to a client who is low in insight struggling with schema reactivation (just saying instead, "people don't *necessarily* respond like that would probably avoid the problem?). I think some of the philosophical rhetoric of old guard cognitive therapy, a la Ellis's UOA/Beck's rhetorical questioning "what qualifies your father as the final arbiter of your worth/anything else", may still have an important place in shoring up reconsolidation with realistic expectations of life as a human being moving forward (even if Ellis was a jerk!) -- I'm not sure how it would be integrated in a way that didn't seriously toe the "counteractive line" though....
Once you see a schema isn't true, it's really hard to see it as valid again, even if said pathological boss happened, you would probably write it off as an evil person, just like the post therapy client saw his father. In short, schemas can't reactivate because you essentially remove them after memory reconsolidation or whatever you like to call it.
This was so deep and meaningful. Thank you both so very much. Thank you for being so respectful. I've felt for a long time that there has to be that very "real" attention to the being in front of you. What I'm learning from you, Tori, is to take myself as seriously as you take your clients...to ask myself what I might really know about my own discomfort and how that is disconfirmed by so much else in my life that speaks to me so differently. It's a beautiful journey and I am truly experiencing more ease than I ever expected to encounter!💜🧚♀️💜
Your mutual hand movememts are fascinating! Postural mimicking or physical agreement signalling? All good. Has anyone done any work on therapist calibrating their esponses to client reactions to either the client's story or to new knowledge?? Thanks AH
Thank you for the interview. Very helpful. To add a different perspective, if a client prefers the counteractive approach, it may be helpful to find the coherence of such a preference, and if the belief is an adaptive one, then a counteractive technique may be helpful. E.g. an older client may just want to "counter" the "annoying" side of her that is anxious about doing something, which could be caused by early experiences of not being able to cope with threat. Gradated exposure, a counteractive approach, may well help her manage this. She may not want to transform early learning because it's been "put away" for a long time and being elderly, she doesn't want to "go there" again, she has been happy with life for a while and just wants to enjoy her time left.
Hi Tori, memory consolidation seems to be a fundamental mechanism for understanding one's own behaviors and those of others. Could you please recommend some scientific resources, studies or books that delve into the neuroscience behind it? Are there any interesting counter positions or criticisms as well? Thank you for your time and efforts; I appreciate the chance to ask an engaged and practicing therapist!
If someone has only ever been defeated by life he will believe himself a loser. You can't fix it by telling him "Actually, you're a winner!" because every experience he has had contradicts that statement. So to tell him that is not just ineffective, it is deeply insulting. If you want his worldview to change you have to show him something different. Likewise if someone comes from a background of neglect telling them "you matter! you're enough!" and so on is nothing but a cruel and empty sarcasm. Pointing out one or two small exceptions to a truth that crushed their reality and asking them to disbelieve the truth is just gaslighting. It always just goes back to telling the person who's been deeply hurt that the problem is merely their misperception. "Just get over it."
I have been watching or videos over the past week and they have been very insightful and helpful. I have not watched this video yet but i have a questiin related to another one that i cant seem to find back what i was looking for in it. It was part of the IFS series and talked about connecting with the earth. Would you be able to quote back what u said in that video? Txs!
It absolutely can. However I recommend you try the flash technique, its more accessible and way faster to do through youtube. It is also memory reconsolidation based like Coherence therapy
I'd recommend reading any of the books on Coherence therapy and/ enrolling in some learning to get a better idea of how to practice it, if these ideas are of interest. While not a specialist in OCD, I have worked with clients with an OCD diagnosis, with coherence therapy and "OCD" can have a myriad of "functions", some I've experienced with clients were: the behaviours protected a client from feeling grief. Another related to ensuring feelings of safety due to been left feeling unsafe as a child. A third client's behaviours earned them a significant "diagnosis" which was desired to match their siblings diagnoses.
Tori, I had never been aware of these therapeutic methods until I stumbled upon your TH-cam channel. By listening to your teachings, which resonate with me, I have experienced my own visceral transformational change. Because of your teaching, I can understand and appreciate the powerful discussion in this video. Your unique ability to explain complex modalities ways is life changing.
Thanks so much for your time. What a beautiful discovery to find the underlying root cause of my destructive symptomology as ultimately a juvenile attempt to help me survive with what little guidance and experience I had when I was traumatised all those years ago, albeit expressed in overtly strange and wonderful ways. I have recently left behind a 25+ year long addiction with alcohol and other extreme interpersonal avoidance behaviours I was not aware of, like talking in 3rd person, or involving all when expressing my opinion to protect myself. Other forms of therapy, while helpful to start to get in touch with myself, have often left me feeling less worth when I eventually failed as the core schema remained. This left little energy to attempt to counteract my destructive behaviours at each setback. Coherence therapy gives me a means to be kind to those parts of me and welcome them home to heal, Thank you Dr. Tori and Dr. Bruce Ecker
Thank you both. It gives me so much joy to see the humanistic existential models find their voice in the modern era of neuroscience. I am so grateful you are putting this content into the world 🙏.
This was so incredible & valuable to me. I feel these videos with yourself and Bruce have opened up new exciting doors for myself & my clients. My mind is happily & satisfyingly blown open. I look forward to continued learning & understandings from you . I am so appreciative of you sharing these with us .
I have been looking for this method for seven years. I felt that this was how therapy should be approached, but found that it rarely was approached this way. And, even when it was, it came only occasionally. And for me, it was only roughly 3x more frequent with help than without, which left me disappointed with the therapy world, and waiting to find someone with an appropriate technique, all the while building a personal method of my own, just from my personal experience. This looks like what I’m after.
Thank you both. I'm here for self therapy and this video has been helpful beyond words
Thank you so much for this video. It was so well explained in an easy way. I said the the unfinished sentence and I got an answer I wasn’t expecting. This work is so valuable.
Amazing content, such a hopeful, humanistic approach to people's suffering with solid scientific underpinnings how everyone can create change. This wisdom needs to be shared with the world!
What if the client relapses, say, when he changes jobs and there is a downgrade in way of workplace dynamics: i.e. a multiple critical co-workers and a boss who is as pathological as his father was?
I think the technique Bruce describes he is really useful, don't get me wrong, but the reality is that *some people* DO "behave badly", unjustly, abusively, etc. beyond early development and outside of the family of origin, and these schemas can easily flair up in the real world. Saying/implying that people "don't respond like that" (14:26) might lead to a client who is low in insight struggling with schema reactivation (just saying instead, "people don't *necessarily* respond like that would probably avoid the problem?).
I think some of the philosophical rhetoric of old guard cognitive therapy, a la Ellis's UOA/Beck's rhetorical questioning "what qualifies your father as the final arbiter of your worth/anything else", may still have an important place in shoring up reconsolidation with realistic expectations of life as a human being moving forward (even if Ellis was a jerk!) -- I'm not sure how it would be integrated in a way that didn't seriously toe the "counteractive line" though....
Once you see a schema isn't true, it's really hard to see it as valid again, even if said pathological boss happened, you would probably write it off as an evil person, just like the post therapy client saw his father. In short, schemas can't reactivate because you essentially remove them after memory reconsolidation or whatever you like to call it.
Thank you Tori - excellent interview. I appreciated the explanation of how and why Coherence Therapy is both non-counteractive and non-interpretive.
This was so deep and meaningful. Thank you both so very much. Thank you for being so respectful. I've felt for a long time that there has to be that very "real" attention to the being in front of you. What I'm learning from you, Tori, is to take myself as seriously as you take your clients...to ask myself what I might really know about my own discomfort and how that is disconfirmed by so much else in my life that speaks to me so differently. It's a beautiful journey and I am truly experiencing more ease than I ever expected to encounter!💜🧚♀️💜
Thank you both!
I can see why going to the root can help.. Not trying to suppress or avoid or numb it..
Your mutual hand movememts are fascinating! Postural mimicking or physical agreement signalling? All good. Has anyone done any work on therapist calibrating their esponses to client reactions to either the client's story or to new knowledge?? Thanks AH
Thank you for the interview. Very helpful.
To add a different perspective, if a client prefers the counteractive approach, it may be helpful to find the coherence of such a preference, and if the belief is an adaptive one, then a counteractive technique may be helpful.
E.g. an older client may just want to "counter" the "annoying" side of her that is anxious about doing something, which could be caused by early experiences of not being able to cope with threat. Gradated exposure, a counteractive approach, may well help her manage this. She may not want to transform early learning because it's been "put away" for a long time and being elderly, she doesn't want to "go there" again, she has been happy with life for a while and just wants to enjoy her time left.
23:03 Bruce mentioned the word metacognitive. This brings a thought about "Metacognitive Therapy".
Brilliant, awesome interview 💕
I'm so happy you ejoyed it! 💚
You do such important work, thank you
Thanks for the “super thanks” David!! So glad to be having the chance to get to know you! :)
@@DrToriOlds likewise ☺️
Hi Tori,
memory consolidation seems to be a fundamental mechanism for understanding one's own behaviors and those of others.
Could you please recommend some scientific resources, studies or books that delve into the neuroscience behind it?
Are there any interesting counter positions or criticisms as well?
Thank you for your time and efforts; I appreciate the chance to ask an engaged and practicing therapist!
If someone has only ever been defeated by life he will believe himself a loser. You can't fix it by telling him "Actually, you're a winner!" because every experience he has had contradicts that statement. So to tell him that is not just ineffective, it is deeply insulting. If you want his worldview to change you have to show him something different. Likewise if someone comes from a background of neglect telling them "you matter! you're enough!" and so on is nothing but a cruel and empty sarcasm. Pointing out one or two small exceptions to a truth that crushed their reality and asking them to disbelieve the truth is just gaslighting.
It always just goes back to telling the person who's been deeply hurt that the problem is merely their misperception. "Just get over it."
Excellent
What is the official website for trainings? It’s like EMDR and IFS had a baby!! I love this!!
hi! you can find it in toriolds.com 🧡
@@DrToriOlds thank you! I love and so appreciate your videos. You are a gift ❤️. I am a therapist and find your videos so helpful.
I have been watching or videos over the past week and they have been very insightful and helpful. I have not watched this video yet but i have a questiin related to another one that i cant seem to find back what i was looking for in it. It was part of the IFS series and talked about connecting with the earth. Would you be able to quote back what u said in that video? Txs!
Your video was great, you have gained a new subscriber.
thank you, Welcome aboard! 💚
Tori can this therapy really help with axiety and agoraphobia in a meaningful way? It seems so good to be true!
It absolutely can. However I recommend you try the flash technique, its more accessible and way faster to do through youtube. It is also memory reconsolidation based like Coherence therapy
@@zsombornagy3935 thank you! Is this the technique associated with emdr?
thanks for this! Is this a recent video or was this recorded long ago?
I am happy you enjoyed it, it was a recent recording. 😊
Yes all good but I don't understand how to practice it. People don't seem to change like that. For example how can I do it with an OCD patient?
I'd recommend reading any of the books on Coherence therapy and/ enrolling in some learning to get a better idea of how to practice it, if these ideas are of interest. While not a specialist in OCD, I have worked with clients with an OCD diagnosis, with coherence therapy and "OCD" can have a myriad of "functions", some I've experienced with clients were: the behaviours protected a client from feeling grief. Another related to ensuring feelings of safety due to been left feeling unsafe as a child. A third client's behaviours earned them a significant "diagnosis" which was desired to match their siblings diagnoses.
It's interesting how Bruce explicitly asks for dis-confirming experience
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