Dark Elves vs Chaos Dwarfs Warhammer The Old World Live Battle Report
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Fun game.
It seems like you play charge against an opponent that flees wrong.
P.129 "If the charging unit does not make contact with the fleeing unit, it moves forward its full charge range. It has not made a failed charge - the charge target ran away."
It could matter a bit, full charge forward may pull a unit way out of position.
I remember my 1st Chaos Dwarf battle. It was a 3-way battle. High Elves, Chaos, and I was playing Chaos Dwarfs. Turn 1 Chaos play cast Arnzipal's Black Horror on the High Elf lord. Failed to dispel it. The commander failed a strength test and got eaten. The horror moved on and ate his hero and sliced through a bunch of other units. The high elf player who has emotional issues yelled some obscenities and swatted his own high elf units off the table and stormed off. So I had to pick up my high elves off the floor (Because they didn't actually buy them) and it was then just a 2 army battle.
I like to imagine battles between Druchii and Dawi Zhar break out over who caught the most slaves recently
Dawi Zhar? Slaves? They're cherished workers with great workplace conditions.
Is that a new name for Elves and Dark Elves?
You mean laborers? That's what total war calls them
@@user-qi1jc1yn3o Druchii is used by old edition as the actual name of the Dark Elf
@@XaryLoon I only know the 2nd edition and haven’t played it since, I know Age of Something had name changes but I wasn’t playing so didn’t really follow it
There's the sweetest moment in this rep where Steve points to his toy soldiers and proclaims "Luka, I'm nine and you're eight."
Steve I know how you feel, I had a Dreadquake blow up on me first turn as well >.
Their artillery is so devastating
I have to be real: (Outside of the Lords of the Lance novel which is amazing!) I'm just not enjoying ToW as much as I do OPRs Age of Fantasy Regiments.
That being said, I will continue to watch this amazing channel!
You guys remember it's just a game of toy soldiers and I respect that so much!
Steve, this chaos dwarf army is awesome.
I love chaos dwarfs!
Man losing your war machine like that, rough. Good thing there was a save.
omg a streamed battle thats NOT 5 fuckin hours long!??! Well hot damn!
I'm surprised no screen in front of witch elves that are vulnerable to shooting. Also could use the triple march formation to get to the opponent sooner?
Luka isn't the most... Creative player. If he can't just march through fire, charge, and blow through, he typically folds.
That was hilarious lololo I’m sorry losing the 185 cannon on a misfire right after he said ahh don’t worry your gonna misfire any way just pure gold
Big hat supremacy reigns!
HASHUT HASHUT HAZAAH!!!
I did my best to recreate these armies in warhammer 3 and got the same winners and losers in that game too.
You need a bunch of hobgoblins and cheap cavalry!
I really think they need to Change what happens to war machines when they misfire, The fact that they can just outright die.... makes them almost not worth taking
After playing a bunch of WoC battles I'm loving the game so much.
Few things stick out though like the Murderous convos.
Additional hand weapons should get army wide hand weapon buffs... It feels so weird to have to pay for what feels like a sidegrade.
Would love to see bigger armies
Great scenery guys, where the buildings are from? cheer
The Nurgle wall makes me uncomfortable in the new room. Good reports though.
I feel like Luka aged three years during this game.
OMG where did you get them awsome chaos dwarfs
All of them are the old Forgeworld Chaos Dwafs! They were made with a campaign book called the Tamurkhan, and were made for 8th ed.
Steve... empire and dwarf engineers are also command range haha
What lol!? Well, there’s my previous addition bias showing
@@MountainMiniatures yes now you can camp your boy far away and send out pigeon bombs with no fear of dying if the war machine gets overrun ;)
Starting at 3:35 without soundissues -> 4:20
Happy to hear you are rebasing everything, Steve. I don't see any negativess of using old square bases when you have proper trays AND adapters (to use with singular models), but rounds are a no-no in my book. The only ok-ish round bases are 25mm since they can be placed upon more or less proper trays, but then there's a problem with adapters. I mean I know you can just place them on squares, but it doesn't look good.
Omg! My blue bearded boys!!!! LFG!!!!
I know Steve is dubious about cav with frenzy like wild riders, but wouldn't the fact that they are fast cav help mitigate someone putting a unit in front of them to force a charge since they get a free pivot up to 90 degrees even if they march. You could just point them away to make it hard to get a unit in their arc.
The faster you are the larger your maximum charge range is though. So it's stupid easy to lead them by the nose and crush them in a countercharge.
I've got an idea for a magic house rule, but I don't want to talk about house rules for a couple months.
I would like to hear your idea
@@derFredausdemVideo If you are still interested, ask again in a month.
Seeing as the Wood elves and Dark elves were robbed in these two batreps, maybe a Druchii vs Asrai batrep?
Is it really a chaos dwarf army without a chaos dwarf lord on a great tauros? Or at least some bull centaurs? Call me old. But there was a time...
Chaos Dwarfs are the best since 1994!
Where did you get these dwarf minis is there an army showcase of these on your channel?
All of them are the old Forgeworld Chaos Dwafs! They were made with a campaign book called the Tamurkhan, and were made for 8th ed.
Would you field a unit of bull centaurs in thr future with a tauruk?
I like the idea of using black orcs
Luka's heart just wasn't in it tonight lol
Manticores are also pretty strong can get 3 at 2000 pts but i get why everyone going for dragons.
Against HE my manticores and the shooting chariots ruled.
i want to love the manticore, but the t4 worries me
Steve i would love to see what you would field for the dark elves
Im going to do a "One Month Later" review for each faction. i might start with Dark Elves, im loving them this edition
Shouldn't the Dreadquake Mortar be rolling each time to see if it's able to shoot in the next turn?
Yep i forgot!
I feel like the Khainite assassin should be allowed to join the khainite witch elves.
They took away the thematic cult rule and gave them loner instead to keep people from being able to put a hag in a unit of executioners and give them frenzy - but they can't give the assassin loner or it'll break their function... so to not make their "hidden" rule more complicated they just left it as is...
Can anyone explain the Medusa play to me? I think it reformed once they just didn't move.
Who are those infernal guard made by? In fact who makes all of those infantry heroes thanks!
The infernal guard looked like the forge world models
@@schlatta-dirtydeeds9351 yes Forge World, no longer available (unless 2nd hand). For 3D prints I can recommend Lost Kingdom Miniatures range. I also like Fabelzel - they are must closer to the original 90s models, which is what I have.
Did the sisters of slaughter ever get into combat? They were the only ones i wanted to see how they did
Gunline isnt boring, its a different way to play. If everyone was playing the same way every time that would be boring
at 54mins....why do infernal guard get 16 shots to stand and shoot? dont they just shoot from 1st rank?
it was a large target
In the member discord, is there a pretty robust group of people looking for games on Tabletop Sim? Just curious, I cannot fond an online community to pick up any sort of fantasy based game like I can with warhammer 40k
How is this chaos dwarf list gonna do against another shooty army like dwarfs or empire?
The chaos dwarf artillery seems very killy but probably best against an opponent who is marching against you… their artillery is not as long range as other armies… a great might take out that big mortar in one or two shots. And you can get almost 3 great cannons for the same price…
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Is this Linehammer?
Only watched to the army list reveal and I know nothing of how the Chaos Dwarfs fare.
But on composition alone I recon Luka is quite behind from the get-go in this match.. even before taking into account how extremely stupidly overpriced Sisters of Slaughter seem to be...
Cold One riders are far superior to Black Guard; is where I'd spend my pts. Move faster, better anvil, better hammer.
no armour saves, low toughness, high points. The loosing combination right there. Enjoy this edn Elf players
@@davidoliver3528 I can tell you haven't actually played the game.
Tfw when stupidity
I see a lots of interpretation about shouting capable to shoot multiple rank into large target because large target can be seen over other models.
I kinda fail to see why this render multiple rank shooting possible.
pg 137 the "check line of sight" section doesn't say "every model that can draw line of sight can shoot" but "every model IN THE FIRST RANK that can draw line of sight can shoot"
And the rules carry on by saying normally only model in the first rank can shoot period, not that if the model in the second rank can somehow see they suddenly are allowed to shoot.
Going further into it if you look at the oddball stuff pg143 there is a section about multiple rank shooting that says:
Usually, only the models in the unit's front rank can shoot. There are however exceptions:
- shooting from hill
- volley fire.
And that is all for exception, large target is not listed here as an exception neither having line of sight from the second rank.
Thanks for looking it up
Indeed it isn't clear in the shooting section. However in page 103 Models and Unit Facing we have the following 2 passages:
If no such line can be drawn to the other model due to
intervening terrain, or without crossing over or through
another model, there is no line of sight
and
Note that models and units always block line of sight. Therefore, it
is normally only the models in the front rank of a unit that have a
line of sight
With the implication that the REASON that as you say "every model in the first rank..." is because of standard line of sight and the rest of the rule is just heuristics. Am I confident enough to rule definitively it either way? No. And we won't know for sure unit an official statement.
It does not say "every model in the firt rank...".
What it's literally written is "In order to shoot at something, a model must be able to draw
a line of sight to it".
Which IMO is the main rule here.
Then, it says
"Often, not every
model in a unit will be able to draw a line of sight to the target.
Therefore, when shooting with a unit you must determine line
of sight for each and every model in the front rank."
Which I think is just a simple remark that you have to check LoS from every single model in the unit, not that only first rank can shoot. Although I agree that it could be written better.
Finally, reading the LoS restrictions in pg 103 and the Large Target rule in pg 172, I would say that every rank can shoot to a large target.
@@peisenxu952 my issue with this interpretation is that you are making a assumption on writer intention/reasons.
The RAW reading of it is pretty strict and clear and just go against your interpretation. Because yes the line of sight explanation states that you can't see anything from the second rank but the shooting section says that in order to shoot you need:
- a line of sight
- being in the first rank
Those are separate clauses that are not linked to each other on the rules. Stating that the reason you must be in the first rank is for line of sight and that if you could manage to draw a line of sight from the second rank you can wave the first rank restrictions require you to make an interpretation on the intend that go against pure RAW.
If your interpretation where right they should just be the first clause of having line of sight with maybe a NB to remember you that second rank can't see through the first rank.
Also looking at the almanacs article on shooting they also say only the first rank can shoot period.
Worth what it worth but that is the closest from an official source we have on the subject.
@@dariomartinez5214 it does say that on top of having lone of sight you need to be in the first rank to shoot.
It doesn't say that the reason for being in the first rank is that the second rank will have it line of sight blocked.
There is a difference between writing : "you must determine line of sight for each and every model in the fronr rank" and "you must determine line of sigh for each and every model, remember that model in the first rank block line of sight to model in the second rank."
RAW the being in the first rank condition is its own separate condition that has nothing to do with line of sight.
Linking them together requires an interpretation on intent and the golden rules is that you should not interpret the intent ever if RAW is clear enough.
Catching the post game chat on wizards.. I agree level 3/4. Needs to cost more base points (or at least level 2s cheaper )represent the rarity of high level wizards beyond the 0-1 per 1k. I think the WAP way is too much the other way, making higher levels pointless. I’d rather see a cap on the number of spells a wizard can stop/cast per round. So although a lower level will struggle to “duel” with a more powerful level multiple lower levels will overwhelm a higher levels ability to stop everything..
You guys seriously need to upgrade to an HD camera, that top-down view looks like an ordnance map viewed through beer-goggles.
I feel level 4 wizards should be restricted to named characters once there are more named characters or should be really expensive.
A 500 point greater demon being a level 4 caster would be fine, but you shouldn't be able to bring some random hero at level 4.
There are no "random hero at level 4", all of them are "Lord" options, most of them are expensive and don't bring much beyond the spells and magic items (more points). *And* for most armies they are 0-1 per 1000 pts - shared with the ability to take a "fighty" lord.
I really love you guys and watch all your vids but I have to say it gets old quick when luka complains The Whole Time