My father always told me to beware of wold savers. He told me to start by fixing myself; if you succeed and only if you succeed try to apply it on the world. I haven't succeeded with the first step...
Very smart man. I was told don't take on the world til you take out your trash. And you're not gonna change the world if you're not gonna change your underwear. Cheers.
I agree with both of you...at the same time you are re enforcing Daniels point that it’s very difficult to understand complex “hyper-objects” like AI weapons or climate change. If you don’t think those are problems that still doesn’t make them go away.
Daniel provides a very comprehensive well thought out strategic picture that helps me to understand the system dynamics. He also allows me to see the level of difficulties in solving world, strategic contingencies and problems. He argues convincingly that simplistic solutions won’t work which I agree with. Therefore we need to be careful in coming up with knee jerk solutions to complex problems that might make things worse.
Outstanding conversation. What Daniel’s project seeks to create is absolutely mandatory if we wish to take any path as a species other than directly into a catastrophic reign of autocracy and plutocracy. ... and it is EXACTLY the way to do it. I’ve been comparing what all the great minds in ALL areas have been saying for six years now, and I’m am dead certain that Daniel’s organization’s goal and what mechanisms they seek to create MUST all be created and MUST ALL exist at the same time. If this can be done, and they can each survive intact and functioning for just two years, then the human species has a good chance of reaching a real lasting enlightenment. Lord I pray they can do it. 🤘😃🤘
@@Omnifarious0 True. People like Daniel wouldn’t need to be the main guy but they would at least need to be in the room. And it would be helpful if the majority of people were able to listen and understand his message.
@@Omnifarious0 well first, we need a public that would vote for a person like this, since only then will their ideas be listened to by those holding the power and who want to continue to capture the loyalty of the people
I agree with nearly everything that Daniel says. However the one thing I don't buy is the 'the people who run Facebook aren't evil, and aren't trying to screw things up'. They ABSOLUTELY know what their product is doing. They've just brainwashed themselves to deny it, because it goes directly against their interests to acknowledge it. I'm not saying they intended what we have to day from the beginning, however they 100% know how it works now.
The algorithms aren't completely autonomous. Each social media platform has an underlying ideology that it seeks to preserve (if not advance). There's no neutrality left and content is monitored and filtered to some extent via various mechanisms. I believe this.
They also know of the lasting psychological and sociological impacts of these platforms in their current context/formats and choose to do nothing about it.
Like the poor tech minds in The Social Dilemma film 'appear' to be questioning what they've done while the film itself is telling us what they're doing...they're not innocent...they've taken the money having delivered the outcomes as requested.
@@misswithahiss Have you seen the 'response' PDF that Facebook released in response to the Social Dilemma? It's a joke. However I do think they are a cult-like entity now, that has brainwashed themselves into thinking they're 'enhancing the customer experience', when they're just doing evil shit for profit. Watch the Frontline doc from 2 years ago as well, as well as the 20+ hours of interviews with current and past FB employees. All of the current folks talk exactly like Zuck. They're cultists.
@@andybaldman Thanks for the links! I agree! They're part of the mainframe of the global coup and psyop that has everyone believing in a dark fantasy to lever in their depopulation agenda and technocracy....these are troubling times and unless the masses make a stand...I think we're looking at an extinction event in the form of slow and excruciating extermination!
Well done . There is no reason I can think of for anyone inspired by this program to not begin similar direct with others or another within their personal contacts who is willing and who will hopefully share again with others . We have incredible individuality and diversity and perceptions and perspectives but they are not truly genuine until they come from ourselves and our participation with our environment and our societies . THIS is the way to actual freedom . It is not and will never be war that ends war . Thank you for this discussion
A few thoughts. I am humbled by the innovative thinking and intelligence of these gentlemen, and as a student of history, I applaud them for their research. Looking around me, and having been trained in anthropology, and naturally inquisitive, my observations are that only an extremely small percentage of the US population is interested in becoming more widely educated. They are caught up in making a living and attempting to find superficial meaning in their lives. (I do not criticize). "Government" is a far off entity which doesn't generally interest most people other than the "left vs the right" narrative. Corruption is there because that's the way it has always been. Result is higher blood pressure and end of conversation. The task of "righting the ship" is beyond comprehension. I think the road is long, and will be punctuated with a second civil war, and although I do not look forward to it, the turmoil may propel the US into thoughtful introspection (and maybe get rid of some of our oligarchs along with it). Thank you gentlemen.
1:03:32 I love the point Daniel makes here: Essentially: Sensemaking should contain the entire problemspace, not just one single problem, or else your solution to that problem will contain unaddressed externalities. You can get more people in on productive dialogue and problem solving if your initial sensemaking contains their concerns. So simple, yet I've never thought of it that way.
Agreed. But who decides the parameters of the problemspace? We need systems that are capable of addressing issues that are far outside the scope of a single election cycle.
Another thing... What about the people who aren't having a problem? Like the wealthy sociopaths who are lovin' it. They won't be at the table and they look after their own concerns.
@@DarkMoonDroid I've argued for years that market forces transcend governmental controls. In other words, you can bend things to your will in the short term, but in the end market forces will prevail every time. Likewise Schmachtenberger's cause transcends the will of a handful of self-deluded autocrats. We generally believe that money makes the world go around, but money is just one way we choose to measure things. Truly wealthy entities number in the thousands, and all they control are systems and dollars that are rapidly becoming more and more irrelevant. They will always be able to remain king or queen over their irrelevant empire. But the remaining 8 billion people will experience a continually expanding set of choices over where they can invest their time and resources, which laws, nationstate, taxes and such that they find most beneficial for themselves. My .02.
Sure but you cannot, as one or a group of people, cover all the sense space. It’s not posible. Use critical thinking when listening to these suedo intellectuals.
Love, love, love this ! Please make sure this isn’t too good to be true. I trust Daniel, after following his conversations for the past year+ Saving this, passing this on, and committing what’s left of my life to this!
Damn! What a treat. No bashing, view from a much higher altitude of big problems, great observations of information and education decay. If you can tell this story in 19 minutes then I’ll be shocked but I will look forward even if its triple that! Right now we’re drowning in conflicting paradigms (Critical Theory vs Classical Liberalism) that, while important, make me think of two kids arguing about who has to clean up which side of their room while their house is burning down. Gonna have to write down these names to watch for more. Hats off to all three!
I clicked play... “long-term global design” You have my undivided attention. Speaking of undivided. When I started to see the Consilience coming 25 years ago it was before E.O. Wilson wrote the book of that title. I wrote the actual Consilience book in 2002. When I wrote it, no one understood. 🤷♀️ When his book came out, it was an awesome synchronistic event for me. ❤️ Made me feel really good like I was not so alone and that people would listen eventually. so once I listen to this video, I might comment more. I ❤️Daniel Schmactenberger. Have a great thanksgiving and thanks everyone!!
I am a big E.O. Wilson fan myself...too bad most average folks do not have a decent understanding of Nature,biology,geologic time,...and how the RATES of change,which are fast geologically are imperceptible to the individual,group,tribe..etc....
The other day I heard Tristan Harris speaking with Audrey Tang, former occupy hacker and now Minister of Digital for Taiwan. The concillience project could be the perfect fourth estate for her model of direct democracy, which elevates the moments of consensus among normally polarised interlocutors.
I'd love to see Daniel give a TED talk. His ideas help many of us feel less helpless and have more clarity about how to live wisely in the world we have today and how to build a better future. ❤️ One suggestion: I recommend including in the description for this video the names of the people who participated in the conversation and any relevant links. It makes life easier for people like myself who have just discovered your channel and are not familiar with the people we're watching. 😊
Education!! Exactly! The world is getting too complicated for even academia to keep up. The state of the conversation is so bad we should be ashamed. We are not matching reality.
I think the solution of convincing 2000 global uber-rich that we are on an unsustainable path has a higher likelihood of success than creating an honorable news site / browser plug-in. But I was happy to hear someone finally ask Daniel for solutions. Tips from appreciative viewer: Daniel needs at least 10 mins uninterrupted to fully answer your questions. And the 2nd host in the garage detracted from the conversation.
Agreed. Daniel is best on his own or with an exceptionally good interviewer or discussion partner. I love his discussion with Bret Weinstein. The personal anecdotes and 'ooh look at this idea' from the second host were distracting, even to Daniel, who has amazing focus and is the rare individual whose default is to speak in paragraphs.
Great conversation, Daniel bright as usual, now I am a subcriber... but the Click-baity title and the thumbnail illustration did not worked for me at all. 'Change' would have worked much better than 'Blow'... in any case, thanks for the content, the honest inquiry and the crisp image & audio. Bring Jordan Hall when you have a chance.
Fantastic discussion. This is the sort of discussion that leaves behind the tribal L-R paradigm, and grounds itself in the thing we have in common - The fact we are human. And that means we are capable of many things, and have limitations, but also have the abstraction capability to work around those limitations or take advantage of the limitations in others. I've been listening to Douglas Rushkoff's Team Human and a lot of these discussions cross over with what Rushkoff speaks about.
The one thing I’ve noticed is I had a lot of democrat friends that will not talk to me because I’m a Conservative. We used to disagree on some things but we agreed on a lot. Now, we don’t talk at all. Not from my end, from theirs. I’m not on FB at all anymore because of my friends fighting. It just got crazy. How can we fix this? The Democrats as far as I can see have planned this for decades. It started in our schools and has moved on to everything. When I was in school, we had civics and economics in school. We had to do current events and bring it in the next day. They’ve taken all of this out of school, to make the children ignorant. My kids weren’t taught that way because I made sure they knew what was going on. What happens to the children of parents that are ignorant as well? Antifa!! Just something I felt like saying... lol
Exactly. It's all about cancel culture. If you don't spout (and believe) the nonsense, people are marginalized, sworn at, shut up, shunned, etc. It's impossible to have a coherent conversation with anybody on the left because the people who control them have taught them that the "other" is a bad person. That's a violent attitude that is impossible to surmount.
True Nobleness can result in True Elitism. True Elitism seeks to become More and Better...to find a participating place in More and More Good Hearts and Minds.
One sense-making forum that really felt satisfying to me was the United States jury system that I got to participate in one time/ Putting aside it's possible abuses what I had experienced was taking a situation in which a decision had to be made by 12 jurors presiding over by a judge with lawyers from either side presenting the case. As jurors you are not allowed to be influenced by newpapers and internet memes. You are not allowed to read or discuss the case with people outside the court room. One thing I have decided is that if I am going to get into a argument with my friends or family is to clearly state the case. Agree on vocabulary words. Everyone read and educate themselves with an agreed set of source materials. I feel like having discussions is so difficult with everyone throwing around trigger words. Maybe we need more satisfying sense making forums. Are there any sense-making sites or technologies that we could be using? I find intelligent conversation hijacking my lymbic system...
I am a Sustainable Systems Engineer. My Grand-uncle was Buckminster Fuller. I would love to organize with others on a "World Game". I've been working on this problem, alone, for some time now. I'm glad others may finally be interested! Unless this is just another group of people that talk a big game, but aren't willing to actually do anything actionable.
What is your proposition? Don’t quite like your generalization bite at the end there and appeal to authority at the start, not very enticing to hear you out.
At about 1:20 05 - "Prerequisites for a Democracy, or Republic...an adequate public education that is teaching People how to make sense of the world well enough that they can participate in governance...AND a Fourth Estate that's giving People information about the current world that actually gives them...it is an information complex, that gives them the access to the information they need to be able to...without distortion...be able mean what they do(?)... sense making so that they can do choice making and what I would say is both public education and news and a bunch of other things have gone through institutional decay where they are no longer serving that function..." I am wondering if there is a written transcript of this discussion?
Agree I clicked because this keeps coming up in my feed and annoyed me since not type video that holds my attention.. like you said very click bait so then flung it fwd to half way and went to comments. Now appears I may have enjoyed but ... now 5 min I can sum up idea without the pull it may have had.. Ha .., long agreement but EXACTLY what I was thinking and it’s 3:30 am and my dog just peed on floor for first time in 12 years so there is that.. 🤦🏼♀️🤦🏿😕
Hey Guys, I just wanted to start by thanking you for such an incredible, enlightening conversation. I do have one suggestion- I know Tom is familiar with Rich Roll, as that is where I was first introduced to TNP. I think it would be really helpful to create some sort of "Show Notes" section, similar to what Rich has for his podcast, within youtube or even a link to a show notes webpage within TNP. This would be a space that could provide links to articles or other helpful information related to the people and ideas that are discussed within the show for those of us who would like to dig a little deeper. Thank you again, and forgive me if this was mentioned previously or exists somewhere already.
scary to me to hear this super intelligent Schmachtenberger talk about Chinese world dominance .. which since the beginning of this year has been my paranoid nightmare .. H E L P
If you're interested in the real roots of moral and political divisions, I suggest The Righteous Mind by Jonathan Haidt. I really think it should be required reading for high school students.
Intelligent guys and no real appreciation of existential threat in human habitat. Why is our extinction NOT seen! We are in functional extinction right now, complete extinction is a countdown within the next 10 - 20 years. Fifty years ago this discussion would be relevant but hearing this after 3 weeks is surreal.
At Blenheim, Marlborough apprehended an Officer of Cavalry in panicked retreat, admonishing him as follows: ‘Sir, you are mistaken! The enemy is this way! We want for direction.
I think you could take this in a few more thorough directions to have a far greater impact on people and the world. Where would a Behavioral Neuroscientist who also does graphic art sign up? Optimizing layout design and pleasure sensation people get when the actually LEARN something? Capture periodic "Eureka" moments when someone finds out how information overlaps in non-obvious and unique ways of value/benefit? I have some ideas as to very useful design features.
The sun has simply always existed and is helpful and one of the reasons for all life on earth. We can only talk about the things *We* do to affect our environments. And WE do affect our environment in several ways.
We need to stop teaching children winning is wrong . Stop giving the entire class a trophy. Capitalism works maybe, if we started to pay attention to the what and who was destroying our education system 40 years ago we would have been better prepared for this shift to technology . What the hell is collective individualism?
I wonder if it isn't crucial for us to balance short attention span with complex intellectual constructs. If I don't learn something or get exposed to a challenging perspective within minutes of reading or watching, I want to go elsewhere. Do we need a form of communication where we can put out stand-alone building blocks that can become or lead to a fuller understanding of the subjects that, at first glace, appear too big to fathom? Object oriented programming comes to mind. I don't mind devoting a lot of time to understanding a concept...but, I need inducements/rewards along the way to keep me on track.
The observance of the merging of academia and Marxist ideals does not necessarily create a counter weapon of anti-intellectualism. It seems to me it creates a response of down to earth disgust in intelligent people and a greater love for the vision of "the land of the free and the brave".
At approx. 1 hr, 20 minutes Dan offers a media literacy solution. I offer this as Exhibit A in my (admittedly, illiterate) sense of a possible concern that shakes my confidence in sense-making as a private sector, for-profit thing. Using media literacy as the example, I don't understand how legislation/current law (for this example: The Smith-Mundt Modernization Act), and real-world cost/time analysis for the repeal/ softening/sun-setting of a particular law that, if softened or repealed, would fundamentally change any sense-making approach. In this example, basically repeal the legalization of propaganda against the citizenry (the use of which grows faster than the national debt), and with a tiny bit of political will, make sure employment of propaganda get's a broadcaster's license pulled. Now you've created a vastly different, perhaps less formidable foundational challenge. Maybe even having broadcast licensees become partners in your Media Literacy Project (make-em an offer they can't refuse) . And if this is already a separate sense-making thing or department, please excuse my ignorance. I don't know. I'm wildly above my pay grade, but I understand declasse'. It may go against any sense-making mission statement. But altruism and and public support in your sense-making seem to be positions few commercial enterprises hold. Seems like the first thing to look at:effect of government composition, the law, regulations, tax consequences, possible cascades within a political climate, cost. Or I guess you could employ lobbying shops. But as a normie, I'd trust your sense-making crew more than any lobbying firm. Unless, of course, the lobbying folks would do pro-bono for the self-congratulating good will generated....
Would love to hear Daniel's take on Q-Anon and the hyper-growth since covid, has he ever thought about who is the driving force, and to what end and the psychological makeup of those who follow Q.
If a smart watch had a charged capacitor in it, that based on data curated on something you cared about woke you up with a varying degree of electric shock depending on how good/bad the data was in the last 24 hours and the screen reminded you of some predetermined actions you would like to work on based on the issue you cared about? AI life coaching? Personal counter AI curation of social media feeds based on who you want your future self to be? An interesting war indeed!
Thanks to my Great Bewilderment brothers for having Daniel on! His synthesis is always welcome.
Watching again! I miss TNP
My father always told me to beware of wold savers. He told me to start by fixing myself; if you succeed and only if you succeed try to apply it on the world. I haven't succeeded with the first step...
Very smart man.
I was told don't take on the world til you take out your trash. And you're not gonna change the world if you're not gonna change your underwear. Cheers.
I agree with both of you...at the same time you are re enforcing Daniels point that it’s very difficult to understand complex “hyper-objects” like AI weapons or climate change. If you don’t think those are problems that still doesn’t make them go away.
Is your father Jordan Peterson?
I am in awe of this man's intelligence and his ability to articulate complicated ideas so that I can understand.
Thank you!
Two amazingly smart people. We are fortunate to have them in our world and their thoughts on redeveloping the present sad state of affairs.
Daniel provides a very comprehensive well thought out strategic picture that helps me to understand the system dynamics. He also allows me to see the level of difficulties in solving world, strategic contingencies and problems. He argues convincingly that simplistic solutions won’t work which I agree with. Therefore we need to be careful in coming up with knee jerk solutions to complex problems that might make things worse.
Outstanding conversation.
What Daniel’s project seeks to create is absolutely mandatory if we wish to take any path as a species other than directly into a catastrophic reign of autocracy and plutocracy.
... and it is EXACTLY the way to do it.
I’ve been comparing what all the great minds in ALL areas have been saying for six years now, and I’m am dead certain that Daniel’s organization’s goal and what mechanisms they seek to create MUST all be created and MUST ALL exist at the same time. If this can be done, and they can each survive intact and functioning for just two years, then the human species has a good chance of reaching a real lasting enlightenment.
Lord I pray they can do it. 🤘😃🤘
Now that's an intro worthy of the Schmach!
We need people like this leading our country.
I don't know that I agree. What we need is people who listen to people like this.
@@Omnifarious0 True. People like Daniel wouldn’t need to be the main guy but they would at least need to be in the room. And it would be helpful if the majority of people were able to listen and understand his message.
@I AM-THAT I WILL-TO BE Your last sentence seems a bit ironic
@@Omnifarious0 well first, we need a public that would vote for a person like this, since only then will their ideas be listened to by those holding the power and who want to continue to capture the loyalty of the people
Outstanding interview. Schmachtenberger for President!
Could you just imagine someone like Daniel taking on the Lions of our politicals! Agreed Daniel Schmocklinberger for president !!!
His skills would be wasted in politics :(
King of the new global empire. Seriously. By aclaimation. Not by politics.
@@biocykle what a simple argument. expect a prize? pat on back? leave.
Dang. No click bait here. Compelling and absolutely incredible convo. God's speed!
Such a beautiful conversation ..... many thanks. Daniel is a gift!
Thank you for this engaging, important, and immeasurably relevant conversation. Please bring Daniel back for a second session!
I agree with nearly everything that Daniel says. However the one thing I don't buy is the 'the people who run Facebook aren't evil, and aren't trying to screw things up'. They ABSOLUTELY know what their product is doing. They've just brainwashed themselves to deny it, because it goes directly against their interests to acknowledge it. I'm not saying they intended what we have to day from the beginning, however they 100% know how it works now.
The algorithms aren't completely autonomous. Each social media platform has an underlying ideology that it seeks to preserve (if not advance). There's no neutrality left and content is monitored and filtered to some extent via various mechanisms. I believe this.
They also know of the lasting psychological and sociological impacts of these platforms in their current context/formats and choose to do nothing about it.
Like the poor tech minds in The Social Dilemma film 'appear' to be questioning what they've done while the film itself is telling us what they're doing...they're not innocent...they've taken the money having delivered the outcomes as requested.
@@misswithahiss Have you seen the 'response' PDF that Facebook released in response to the Social Dilemma? It's a joke. However I do think they are a cult-like entity now, that has brainwashed themselves into thinking they're 'enhancing the customer experience', when they're just doing evil shit for profit. Watch the Frontline doc from 2 years ago as well, as well as the 20+ hours of interviews with current and past FB employees. All of the current folks talk exactly like Zuck. They're cultists.
@@andybaldman Thanks for the links! I agree! They're part of the mainframe of the global coup and psyop that has everyone believing in a dark fantasy to lever in their depopulation agenda and technocracy....these are troubling times and unless the masses make a stand...I think we're looking at an extinction event in the form of slow and excruciating extermination!
Well done .
There is no reason I can think of for anyone inspired by this program to not begin similar direct with others or another within their personal contacts who is willing and who will hopefully share again with others .
We have incredible individuality and diversity and perceptions and perspectives but they are not truly genuine until they come from ourselves and our participation with our environment and our societies .
THIS is the way to actual freedom .
It is not and will never be war that ends war .
Thank you for this discussion
daniel is a community treasure. as are you two.
at last its up again! it is true it gives lot of energy to listen to those talks with Daniel
A few thoughts. I am humbled by the innovative thinking and intelligence of these gentlemen, and as a student of history, I applaud them for their research. Looking around me, and having been trained in anthropology, and naturally inquisitive, my observations are that only an extremely small percentage of the US population is interested in becoming more widely educated. They are caught up in making a living and attempting to find superficial meaning in their lives. (I do not criticize). "Government" is a far off entity which doesn't generally interest most people other than the "left vs the right" narrative. Corruption is there because that's the way it has always been. Result is higher blood pressure and end of conversation. The task of "righting the ship" is beyond comprehension. I think the road is long, and will be punctuated with a second civil war, and although I do not look forward to it, the turmoil may propel the US into thoughtful introspection (and maybe get rid of some of our oligarchs along with it). Thank you gentlemen.
“ If elections made any difference they would be illegal “ Mark Twain
isn't that from emma goldman?
1:03:32 I love the point Daniel makes here: Essentially: Sensemaking should contain the entire problemspace, not just one single problem, or else your solution to that problem will contain unaddressed externalities. You can get more people in on productive dialogue and problem solving if your initial sensemaking contains their concerns.
So simple, yet I've never thought of it that way.
This is why "positivity" is making all these problems worse.
Agreed. But who decides the parameters of the problemspace? We need systems that are capable of addressing issues that are far outside the scope of a single election cycle.
Another thing...
What about the people who aren't having a problem? Like the wealthy sociopaths who are lovin' it. They won't be at the table and they look after their own concerns.
@@DarkMoonDroid I've argued for years that market forces transcend governmental controls. In other words, you can bend things to your will in the short term, but in the end market forces will prevail every time. Likewise Schmachtenberger's cause transcends the will of a handful of self-deluded autocrats. We generally believe that money makes the world go around, but money is just one way we choose to measure things. Truly wealthy entities number in the thousands, and all they control are systems and dollars that are rapidly becoming more and more irrelevant. They will always be able to remain king or queen over their irrelevant empire. But the remaining 8 billion people will experience a continually expanding set of choices over where they can invest their time and resources, which laws, nationstate, taxes and such that they find most beneficial for themselves. My .02.
Sure but you cannot, as one or a group of people, cover all the sense space. It’s not posible. Use critical thinking when listening to these suedo intellectuals.
Love, love, love this ! Please make sure this isn’t too good to be true. I trust Daniel, after following his conversations for the past year+
Saving this, passing this on, and committing what’s left of my life to this!
That, was fucking awesome. More of Daniel! Everywhere
Damn! What a treat. No bashing, view from a much higher altitude of big problems, great observations of information and education decay. If you can tell this story in 19 minutes then I’ll be shocked but I will look forward even if its triple that! Right now we’re drowning in conflicting paradigms (Critical Theory vs Classical Liberalism) that, while important, make me think of two kids arguing about who has to clean up which side of their room while their house is burning down. Gonna have to write down these names to watch for more. Hats off to all three!
I clicked play... “long-term global design” You have my undivided attention. Speaking of undivided. When I started to see the Consilience coming 25 years ago it was before E.O. Wilson wrote the book of that title. I wrote the actual Consilience book in 2002. When I wrote it, no one understood. 🤷♀️ When his book came out, it was an awesome synchronistic event for me. ❤️ Made me feel really good like I was not so alone and that people would listen eventually. so once I listen to this video, I might comment more. I ❤️Daniel Schmactenberger. Have a great thanksgiving and thanks everyone!!
I am a big E.O. Wilson fan myself...too bad most average folks do not have a decent understanding of Nature,biology,geologic time,...and how the RATES of change,which are fast geologically are imperceptible to the individual,group,tribe..etc....
The other day I heard Tristan Harris speaking with Audrey Tang, former occupy hacker and now Minister of Digital for Taiwan. The concillience project could be the perfect fourth estate for her model of direct democracy, which elevates the moments of consensus among normally polarised interlocutors.
It has been an honor to hear Daniel’s wisdom. Oh and ....I like your beard (s)
Beautiful! A solution going forward. I am truly honored to become aware of this project..albeit the TH-cam algorithm
I'd love to see Daniel give a TED talk.
His ideas help many of us feel less helpless and have more clarity about how to live wisely in the world we have today and how to build a better future. ❤️
One suggestion: I recommend including in the description for this video the names of the people who participated in the conversation and any relevant links. It makes life easier for people like myself who have just discovered your channel and are not familiar with the people we're watching. 😊
Agreed on all points!!
@OA Dogn beat me to it.
I adore the image of god in such intelligent forms . The joy and love going through me right now is just pure bliss ... sat nam
I think this is a very Noble venture.
Ahhhh. Feels so refreshing.
And I’m more than happy to help, Daniel.
Education!! Exactly! The world is getting too complicated for even academia to keep up. The state of the conversation is so bad we should be ashamed. We are not matching reality.
I think the solution of convincing 2000 global uber-rich that we are on an unsustainable path has a higher likelihood of success than creating an honorable news site / browser plug-in. But I was happy to hear someone finally ask Daniel for solutions.
Tips from appreciative viewer: Daniel needs at least 10 mins uninterrupted to fully answer your questions. And the 2nd host in the garage detracted from the conversation.
Agreed. Daniel is best on his own or with an exceptionally good interviewer or discussion partner. I love his discussion with Bret Weinstein.
The personal anecdotes and 'ooh look at this idea' from the second host were distracting, even to Daniel, who has amazing focus and is the rare individual whose default is to speak in paragraphs.
This needs to be taught in high school.
He is so smart, it is just ridiculous
Great discussion, thanks
The most important conversations dont get the viewing numbers. Mr Schmachtenberger should be on Rogan
I sent this video with a suggestion to Mr. Rogan
Thank you! We try to keep it up. Subscribe for more here: th-cam.com/play/PLZWdFQ6ay7HqrirwmvjsVA5JPDdLPQURg.html
1:35:19 Start here if you have limited time.
Thank you.
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Thank you. That’s very thoughtful i appreciate that.
How come? Is there a summary at that point?
@@Sam-go3mb Lol. Watch the whole video and tell me.
An overview and comprehensive thinker. Wish my audio were better.
At one hour fifty mins when Daniel was talking I actually teared up... crazy.. how do I find out more about his project??
Great conversation, Daniel bright as usual, now I am a subcriber... but the Click-baity title and the thumbnail illustration did not worked for me at all.
'Change' would have worked much better than 'Blow'... in any case, thanks for the content, the honest inquiry and the crisp image & audio.
Bring Jordan Hall when you have a chance.
I agree +1 to all you said.
Thank you. Thoughtful.
+1 Jordan Hall
Yeah isn’t kinda ironic never thought I’d see a Daniel Schmachtenberger clickbait video loool
Agreed.
Gives me hope!
Don't underestimate the power of the Dark Side of the Force. Their emperor happens to own News Corp.
Daniel calls it moloch. He's written and spoken about it
Now we're getting somewhere.
daniel indeed has an extremely unique, dextrous and creative mind. oh what a joy it would be to have him in a position of american public leadership
Listening in april 21, this talk was quite prophetic around 5 min mark
Indeed!
Would be fantastic to hear David and Curtis Guy Yarvin (Mencius Moldbug) have a conversation.
Fantastic discussion. This is the sort of discussion that leaves behind the tribal L-R paradigm, and grounds itself in the thing we have in common - The fact we are human. And that means we are capable of many things, and have limitations, but also have the abstraction capability to work around those limitations or take advantage of the limitations in others. I've been listening to Douglas Rushkoff's Team Human and a lot of these discussions cross over with what Rushkoff speaks about.
The one thing I’ve noticed is I had a lot of democrat friends that will not talk to me because I’m a Conservative. We used to disagree on some things but we agreed on a lot. Now, we don’t talk at all. Not from my end, from theirs. I’m not on FB at all anymore because of my friends fighting. It just got crazy. How can we fix this? The Democrats as far as I can see have planned this for decades. It started in our schools and has moved on to everything. When I was in school, we had civics and economics in school. We had to do current events and bring it in the next day. They’ve taken all of this out of school, to make the children ignorant. My kids weren’t taught that way because I made sure they knew what was going on. What happens to the children of parents that are ignorant as well? Antifa!! Just something I felt like saying... lol
Exactly. It's all about cancel culture. If you don't spout (and believe) the nonsense, people are marginalized, sworn at, shut up, shunned, etc. It's impossible to have a coherent conversation with anybody on the left because the people who control them have taught them that the "other" is a bad person. That's a violent attitude that is impossible to surmount.
True Nobleness can result in True Elitism. True Elitism seeks to become More and Better...to find a participating place in More and More Good Hearts and Minds.
Finally someone who knows how to use the word "transpire" correctly! 57:14.
One sense-making forum that really felt satisfying to me was the United States jury system that I got to participate in one time/ Putting aside it's possible abuses what I had experienced was taking a situation in which a decision had to be made by 12 jurors presiding over by a judge with lawyers from either side presenting the case. As jurors you are not allowed to be influenced by newpapers and internet memes. You are not allowed to read or discuss the case with people outside the court room. One thing I have decided is that if I am going to get into a argument with my friends or family is to clearly state the case. Agree on vocabulary words. Everyone read and educate themselves with an agreed set of source materials. I feel like having discussions is so difficult with everyone throwing around trigger words. Maybe we need more satisfying sense making forums. Are there any sense-making sites or technologies that we could be using? I find intelligent conversation hijacking my lymbic system...
19:30 - “Two things only the people anxiously desire - bread and circuses.” - Juvenal
Daniel has the same beard I imagine the Philosophers of ancient Greece having.
And the Unabomber.
@@Thomas-Maximus omygosh.
I am a Sustainable Systems Engineer. My Grand-uncle was Buckminster Fuller. I would love to organize with others on a "World Game". I've been working on this problem, alone, for some time now. I'm glad others may finally be interested! Unless this is just another group of people that talk a big game, but aren't willing to actually do anything actionable.
Love that guy. How cool
What is your proposition? Don’t quite like your generalization bite at the end there and appeal to authority at the start, not very enticing to hear you out.
@@LKRaider ibid
My 69 year old mind is sufficiently blown , thank you
Me too !
@@lindamaxey3827 worthless
At about 1:20 05 - "Prerequisites for a Democracy, or Republic...an adequate public education that is teaching People how to make sense of the world well enough that they can participate in governance...AND a Fourth Estate that's giving People information about the current world that actually gives them...it is an information complex, that gives them the access to the information they need to be able to...without distortion...be able mean what they do(?)... sense making so that they can do choice making and what I would say is both public education and news and a bunch of other things have gone through institutional decay where they are no longer serving that function..."
I am wondering if there is a written transcript of this discussion?
One strategically placed EMP would create the cascade Daniel is talking about.
Can anyone point out the part where my mind was supposed to be blown...? Very clickbaity title for an intelligent conversation.
Lol
Agree I clicked because this keeps coming up in my feed and annoyed me since not type video that holds my attention.. like you said very click bait so then flung it fwd to half way and went to comments. Now appears I may have enjoyed but ... now 5 min I can sum up idea without the pull it may have had..
Ha .., long agreement but EXACTLY what I was thinking and it’s 3:30 am and my dog just peed on floor for first time in 12 years so there is that.. 🤦🏼♀️🤦🏿😕
@@Think-dont-believe sorry to hear about your dog
We need a renewed and better social contract
22:00 in essence: Donald Trump is the Gangnam style of Presidents
Hey Guys,
I just wanted to start by thanking you for such an incredible, enlightening conversation. I do have one suggestion- I know Tom is familiar with Rich Roll, as that is where I was first introduced to TNP. I think it would be really helpful to create some sort of "Show Notes" section, similar to what Rich has for his podcast, within youtube or even a link to a show notes webpage within TNP. This would be a space that could provide links to articles or other helpful information related to the people and ideas that are discussed within the show for those of us who would like to dig a little deeper. Thank you again, and forgive me if this was mentioned previously or exists somewhere already.
Totally agree.. discussed today2@@ Thank@
like an Arnold Palmer on a hot day. quenched
"You must play boldly to win."A.P.
Thank you!
scary to me to hear this super intelligent Schmachtenberger talk about Chinese world dominance .. which since the beginning of this year has been my paranoid nightmare .. H E L P
I'm looking for some further reading material on the topics mentioned here, does anyone have any recommendations? Great conversation!
Super self serving, but here is one book: www.warningsbook.net/ I'll share another too..
Check out more of Daniel’s other podcasts, no need to read at least initially.
If you're interested in the real roots of moral and political divisions, I suggest The Righteous Mind by Jonathan Haidt. I really think it should be required reading for high school students.
Intelligent guys and no real appreciation of existential threat in human habitat. Why is our extinction NOT seen! We are in functional extinction right now, complete extinction is a countdown within the next 10 - 20 years. Fifty years ago this discussion would be relevant but hearing this after 3 weeks is surreal.
What threat concerns you the most?
Not sure I agree that algorithms and big tech are a benign form of power.
The “mind blown” graphic for this vid looks like crowns of thorns. Somehow seems appropriate!
Could We make a Tribe that is devoted and dedicated to "Epistemology"?
At Blenheim, Marlborough apprehended an Officer of Cavalry in panicked retreat, admonishing him as follows:
‘Sir, you are mistaken! The enemy is this way!
We want for direction.
Love this.
@@rpeddy5713 Thanks. You might like my reply to Tinker Bell who responded to my other comment.
I got the Charisma tied with reason.
I think you could take this in a few more thorough directions to have a far greater impact on people and the world. Where would a Behavioral Neuroscientist who also does graphic art sign up? Optimizing layout design and pleasure sensation people get when the actually LEARN something? Capture periodic "Eureka" moments when someone finds out how information overlaps in non-obvious and unique ways of value/benefit? I have some ideas as to very useful design features.
Is this guy in the green shirt an American?Awesome discussion by the way I love it
Why is the sun never brought into the climate discussion?
Lmao, why didn't the scientific experts around the world think of that!? Maybe you should start writing some papers? Daft idiot lmaooo
@@alicspellman6938 You are right, no need for open discussion. I am a fucking idiot and I will get back in my hole and do what I’m told. So so sorry.
The sun has simply always existed and is helpful and one of the reasons for all life on earth. We can only talk about the things *We* do to affect our environments. And WE do affect our environment in several ways.
@@Lairdini Wonderful answer! And a dissertation could be written on this for those who really need understanding of what was said.
Two critical global risks to add to the list 1. roundup 2. pharmaceutical products, particularly vaccines
I use round up all the time.
@@SeanRyno And you do so at your own risk.
@@johnfausett3335 which is what exactly?
@@SeanRyno Dying a gruesome death.
@@johnfausett3335 what's the risk of roundup causing that?
we live in a world where lying is OK that must change
When I am King, you will be first against the wall,
With your opinions which are of no consequence at all.
Radiohead
What of the role of ’character’ in how things are achievable?
"Energy flows were attention goes .." I've been thinking about that in the context of Trump as medias' biggest superstar
Spot on
Daniel is as close to a prophet as I have heard.
@22:55 “charisma tied to reason” you may be talking about Joe Rogan.
No species has ever had the ultimate control of its own destiny.
55:06 Please interview someone from the Metacurrency Project.
"Charisma tied to Reason?" How might this come to pass?
anything that effects the economic will not be changed
We need to stop teaching children winning is wrong . Stop giving the entire class a trophy. Capitalism works maybe, if we started to pay attention to the what and who was destroying our education system 40 years ago we would have been better prepared for this shift to technology . What the hell is collective individualism?
I wonder if it isn't crucial for us to balance short attention span with complex intellectual constructs. If I don't learn something or get exposed to a challenging perspective within minutes of reading or watching, I want to go elsewhere. Do we need a form of communication where we can put out stand-alone building blocks that can become or lead to a fuller understanding of the subjects that, at first glace, appear too big to fathom? Object oriented programming comes to mind. I don't mind devoting a lot of time to understanding a concept...but, I need inducements/rewards along the way to keep me on track.
OMG , absolutely prescient about U.S. 2020 election ...
I should go back and see! We nailed the BLue Sweep...
The observance of the merging of academia and Marxist ideals does not necessarily create a counter weapon of anti-intellectualism. It seems to me it creates a response of down to earth disgust in intelligent people and a greater love for the vision of "the land of the free and the brave".
Love means never having to say I am Sorry.... Empathy axiom
I wish the host(s) didn’t interrupt Daniel that much
I can't listen the audio is buloogeshed
Who is Tom? Strange that he is not identified. He has few but important comments.
Tom Scott head of the Nantucket Project
What does AI have to say about ways out of the meta crisis? For example, can it come up with novel game theoretic solutions that align incentives?
Intellectual slight of hand 1:01:52 - 1:04:48
Just googled it and it is “sleight” instead 🤔, either way nice time stamp :)
Are there any criteria lists for the kind of Education that We need to become Better Participatory Democracy Citizens?
...omg...
I can so see the solution now...
... yeah, Jen. Problems activate the capacity to facilitate the incentive for solutions
At approx. 1 hr, 20 minutes Dan offers a media literacy solution. I offer this as Exhibit A in my (admittedly, illiterate) sense of a possible concern that shakes my confidence in sense-making as a private sector, for-profit thing. Using media literacy as the example, I don't understand how legislation/current law (for this example: The Smith-Mundt Modernization Act), and real-world cost/time analysis for the repeal/ softening/sun-setting of a particular law that, if softened or repealed, would fundamentally change any sense-making approach. In this example, basically repeal the legalization of propaganda against the citizenry (the use of which grows faster than the national debt), and with a tiny bit of political will, make sure employment of propaganda get's a broadcaster's license pulled. Now you've created a vastly different, perhaps less formidable foundational challenge. Maybe even having broadcast licensees become partners in your Media Literacy Project (make-em an offer they can't refuse) . And if this is already a separate sense-making thing or department, please excuse my ignorance. I don't know. I'm wildly above my pay grade, but I understand declasse'. It may go against any sense-making mission statement. But altruism and and public support in your sense-making seem to be positions few commercial enterprises hold. Seems like the first thing to look at:effect of government composition, the law, regulations, tax consequences, possible cascades within a political climate, cost. Or I guess you could employ lobbying shops. But as a normie, I'd trust your sense-making crew more than any lobbying firm. Unless, of course, the lobbying folks would do pro-bono for the self-congratulating good will generated....
What a mind fnck🤯🤯
1:10:09 What is wealth in this sense?
Excellent question.
Great talk!
Please fix your audio
Would love to hear Daniel's take on Q-Anon and the hyper-growth since covid, has he ever thought about who is the driving force, and to what end and the psychological makeup of those who follow Q.
If a smart watch had a charged capacitor in it, that based on data curated on something you cared about woke you up with a varying degree of electric shock depending on how good/bad the data was in the last 24 hours and the screen reminded you of some predetermined actions you would like to work on based on the issue you cared about? AI life coaching? Personal counter AI curation of social media feeds based on who you want your future self to be? An interesting war indeed!