Felix Gardner Thanks - these videos have a habit of spiralling out of control on both budget and time - I find it difficult to cut any corners once I've got started.
+GeoKaching Johnny New tape formulations mostly came about due to the needs of slower moving tape and narrower tracks. Traditional type-1 tape became somewhat low-fi when used in cassettes. As this video demonstrates, there are limits to what even metal tape can compensate for.
+KJER ERRT Ah, I wouldn't say all, I had a Sony Walkman in 1998 that my mother bought me from the US, it was actually made of clear transparent plastic so you could see what was inside it. I don't believe it could play metal formulation tapes though. Certainly some if not many Sony Walkman products had a tape formulation switch, but not every single one did.
Your audio/HiFi videos are my absolute favourite out of all the videos you do. In fact, it was your HiFi videos that made me discover you in the first place. I love your style, your tech videos are the only ones on TH-cam that leave me feeling like I've learnt something, especially the audio ones, as I have a deep fascination for HiFi! Thanks again. :)
Mine sadly only goes 5-6 hours in the future and suddenly I have to go to work in an hour and all my energy is drained before I've even started. Considering not using it anymore.
Are you kidding me?! I don't even prefer the TH-cam library (in general)... one of the lamest vile of sounds Ive heard (absolutely not my genre)... Especially stringy instruments played in a folk-motive (like the Water Lily song) makes me gag >__
LOL! I gasped just a bit when you removed the cover and I saw that big power transformer. I was very much a consumer of Japanese audio gear back then, and did my share of repairing, and popping the cover off all kinds of gear, but I can tell I've really grown accustomed to today's high-frequency switching power supplies. That transformer (and I imagine the correspondingly big electrolytic capacitors in the power supply) really took me back to another place and time!
Did either TEAC or Sanyo ever consider releasing a microcassette with removable reels? That surely would have been the pinnacle of useless tape media ;)
Just adorable - I thought I've known every possible hi-fi component and there I find… a microcassette deck on TH-cam! Splendid presentation - THANK YOU!!!
Somehow I missed this FIVE years ago... But TH-cam, in their algorithmic wisdom, knew to suggest this to me today! Nice discussion of the attempt to turn a dictation format into a hifi format.
Just wanted to say I really enjoy your videos. The calmness and professionalism in the way you make these is something I find very soothing :) Just a really nice, relaxed moment in my day. And learning something as well. Keep this up.
Another great video. Reminds me of a small jam-box I had. Stereo micro-cassette, AM/FM radio, and a 3" TV in the same portable case. 4" full range speakers, and small condenser mics mounted over the speakers. I still have the mics, but the rest is trashed. WOW, I just found it on E-Bay. a Sharp Tri-Mate 3000!
As a kid (I'm 37) I always thought the "metal" button was for equalizer preset. I was always wishing that one day they would have a "rap" button next to it. Lmao it makes sense now.
I lived in Japan in the early 80's I remember seeing Pre recorded micro cassettes at the record stores. I wanted to get a player but they were too expensive.
Hi Techmoan, I just came across your videos and wanted to let you know that I really appreciate all the research, time and effort you have spent assembling these very informative videos. Your presentations are clear, instructive, and the subjects well delivered. I have learned a lot about the history of "Hi-Fi" that I did not know about (sadly enough for a Baby Boomer Hi-Fi nut). Thank you so much, Ciao, L
I was surprised how well the piano noted were reproduced. They would be the first to suffer from the slow speed, so apparently the manufacturer did a great job in stabilizing tape movement even if the music sounds flat in generallys
MANY moons ago when I worked on the railway one of our nicer commuters who had a ridiculously high-flying job in the City gave me a tiny boombox. It was made by AIWA and had an AM/FM stereo radio, and a stereo Microcassette deck, even had METAL tape setting. It didn't sound bad through decent headphones. Ran on 4 HP7 batteries, AAs today. Eventually the belts went in the tape part, but I did, somehow, manage to replace them ! Still have it kicking around somewhere. Picked up a deck like this Sanyo too, at a car boot of all places.
Microcassette deck arrived , didn't work out of the box but had the same issue as yours . there is a tiny white idler that runs both reel spindles and the lubricating grease appears to have dried out and gone sticky . I didn't try to take it apart as your "assembled by a jeweller" comment was bang on ! I just applies wd40 with a pin to both sides of the spindle and worked ffwd and rew and its fine now .The recorded quality with normal tapes is adequate for normal listening but as you say this is a novelty item and fun to use . Keep the videos coming . Gordon.
I have been listening to a Radio Netherlands Media Network programme online about the future of the cassette with somebody from BASF that was broadcast in the 1990's and maybe the metal tape cassette could've survived if regular Compact Cassette decks had a half speed control which would have taken advantage of the denser metal particle / metal alloy packed formulae of IEC Type 4 Metal Bias Cassettes, i.e. you really start to notice the benefits of metal tape at reduced half speed.
It's funny how from late 1960's into the early 1970's everyone wanted a big receiver, TT and large cabinet speakers. Showin' off your hifi system was boss. Impressing friends (and not so much neighbors) with your robust amp and sixty pound speakers with 12" woofers was the bees knees. As later 1970's came the trend was starting to lean to smaller component systems. Unlike children they were to be heard and not seen. A few manufacturers offered micro stuff. It was only logical that someone would develop micro cassettes. Much like the two speed cassette decks offered by BIC, these were high tech fads that came and went. Nice to see a video on these machines.
Whilst the tape stock on both standard and micro cassettes are of the same width (1/8 inch) and Metal standard cassettes still being relatively easy to get hold of, you could splice some Metal tape from a standard cassette into a microcassette replacing the original even without dismantling it.
Thanks for this interesting review. The 80's were indeed a fascinating time with it's miniaturizing obsession. Completely off the topic, but this reminds me of my old Pentax Auto 110 SLR camera that could be bought in kit form, complete with extra lenses that i can swap just like it's full-size 35mm cousins. It was a fully functional SLR, albeit in fully auto mode only - no aperture, shutter priority or fully manual mode. With it i took better composed and exposed pictures than possible with regular candybar, simple 110 cameras available at the time. It's major limitation was the media itself - 110 film was/is far to small a format to produce quality images with. Regular prints often showed far too much grain, especially in low-light situations and when developed, photo labs would often misalign the negatives in the enlarger, cropping out my careful compositions via the prism/fresnel SLR viewfinder. Still, despite these shortcomings, it was as intriguing as this micro cassette deck.
I had a stereo Walkman with micro cassettes from Sony with record function and I enjoyed it very much. Even recorded concerts/live performances with it. It had no metal switch but I did manage to put new tape in a cassette one time because it's the same width as compact cassette, so you could fill it with metal tape yourself. I would have liked to known at that time that a deck existed. It's true that the quality is not so good, and it has quite some wow and flutter, but when you want to listen to your favorite music when you're far away from home, you accept any quality. This was before the internet eara.
Great video, many thanks. In the age of Spotify instant availability I think we miss the thrill of using this type of technology. What we lost in sound quality we made up for from soft touch switches, bouncing LEDs and smooth turning dials.
Hi, I just wanted to say that I absolutely love your channel, I recently found it on youtube and I'm watching every single one of your videos. So I couldnt wait any longer to give you my best wishes. My father recently passed away and left me with some vintage audio/video equiptment that now I adore and treasure. I remember my 80s 90s childhood just watching my father use these kind of equipment which for the time seemed like something out of a james bond movie to me. I'm from Mexico BTW and I never knew where my father gathered all these stuff because I grew up in a little city far away from the capital or big cities (we've got cable TV until the late 90s). Love your work man.
The push for smaller micro sized media eventually resulted in Mp3 and wav etc. etc. you can’t get any smaller than that. So now it amazes me when I see the “resurgence” of vinyl, cassette, etc.
We solved the miniaturisation issue with mp3s and later streaming. The issue we have now is people who want something for home listening, display and ownership. So hence formats that lend themselves to that - Vinyl, Cassette, etc. It's kind of amazing how we seem to have swapped problems.
I never seen one of these! I have had (check that,still have) microcassette recorders and have contemplated a stereo deck. I didn't realize someone had ACTUALLY built them! Would fit in perfectly with the 8mm VCRs they used to make!
I have experienced such a hiss with a vintage TEAC A-500 tapedeck. It was an issue with the recording preamplifier. A record volume more than 60% caused a feedback in the rec amp circuitry.
Max Koschuh I agree that it was an excellent video. I'd never heard of the MicroCassette being used for music and wouldn't have thought that it would have been considered since the speed of the Compact Cassette (1 7/8 inches per second) was barely adequate for sound. A surprise was the size of the machine, which looked like a normal-sized device...until you tried to put the standard compact cassette in. There was one possibility for music though: the music single. At 3 3/4 inches per second (4 times its original speed) each side of a 46 minute tape would hold about 5.75 minutes of music, comparable to the 45 RPM record. However, it probably would have been difficult to introduce a new, limited use, format.
The thing is, this was an ideal format for portable music. Back in the day, I had an Olympus SW-77 (still got it in the cupboard somewhere... It doesn't work now though.) Even with the bulk of it's dictaphone style mono speaker, it was still a bit smaller than a personal stereo, and I could have more cassettes in my jacket pockets too... But why anyone thought it would make a passable home system, and charge that much for it is anyone's guess...
you are supposed to leave the dolby on on playback but if the sound is to dull you may have to adjust the bias internally to compensate for the tape quality. There was a microcasette player that had an unbelievable frequency response of 20 to 19 khz I can't remember the brand though
Just discovering your wonderful channel. A bit older than you, I remember all these things coming (and going!) Thanks for another excellent video! The Clockwork Orange catch is a nice reference as is the distinction between mini and micro cassette. I have a General Electric portable boom box if you will, that has a removable, docking stereo micro cassette Walkman that pops out. The other parts are a stereo FM and AM radio and a small CRT NTSC color TV and stereo speakers of course. Like you, I love these forgotten corners of consumer electronics.
That solenoid makes the rest of the mechanism seem out of scale! Always good to see a solenoid in any deck of that form factor in my general opinion. That looks like a very well built deck and the sound was surprisingly stable for microcassette. Heavy fly wheels are good!
The demo tape clearly shows the Dolby logo while the player did not have Dolby enabled. The audio levels are at the extreme end of the scale and will result in tape saturation and will add distortion and soft limiting while Dolby again was not enabled for playback. I would have expected the recording to have had Dolby enabled. The hiss is a given since it appears to be external to the deck in use, but it really did not sound too bad and optimized would sound better. For comparison, Nakamichi had a 2 speed deck and the 15/16 ips half speed specs are 20 - 15,000 response with a s/n greater than 60 db with metal tape, but then nothing compares to a Nakamichi.
Dennis Romo I bought one of these and the demo tape honestly sounds better with Dolby NR off (still terrible), its much more muffled with it switched on. Recording your own stuff sounds fine, so the demo tape just used really terrible quality recordings
With the elimination of the external hiss and some bias level adjustment on the Sanyo deck, it should sound decent. It's possible the flattening of the sound is due to incorrect biasing, it's compressing the dynamics and rolling off the bass and treble. But it goes to show how capable 1/8" wide tape is with modern magnetic tape formulations, even at this slow speed.
I know longer find it all that shocking that sci-fi ideas become reality, because I have seen it all too often now. I still recall watching a futuristic show in the eighties, where a doctor was holding a little pad in their hand, and it was giving them all kinds of visual information... kind of like an iPad.
+1 for the Pioneer CT-F1250 and SX-3600 - and that gorgeous RT-909. I have an SX-3800, CT-F1250, CT-F950, SA-9800, the list goes on... Fluoroscan gear kicks ass.
I have a tiny little boombox that I picked up in a thrift store that has a microcassette player built in, right next to a tiny B/W television screen. I would link a photo of it but Photobucket seems determined to hold my old pictures hostage until I pay a license fee (for a service I only utilize three or four times a year, and block me from downloading my photo library). The thing is, the microcassette player didn't work. I've always put the idea of attempting to repair it on the back burner since this kind of thing usually doesn't work out well for me. After watching this video, I realize I'll never be able to get it working. It goes into the storage shed next to the other impossible repair projects languishing out there in the Texas heat.
Hey u never know. It could really be a simple repair, could be tricky, but keep in mind that if the tape reels/centerpieces are not spinning then it could be quite likely that a belt is simply worn out which is often the most likely failure, in which case it is an easy fix to replace with a new belt and you can buy like 100 of them for five bucks of all different sizes. Could even use a rubber band
My grandmother had a Fisher (I think that was the brand in Canada too) system in that same style... full-size cassettes, mind you (and I'm pretty sure a turntable too), but seeing a similar product brings back memories.
Great video.... One error, most of the turntables shown weren't Transcriptors, they are Michell GyroDecs. Michell did make the Hydraulic Reference under licence from Transcriptors, and I believe (may be wrong) that the one in A Clockwork Orange is a Michell version, as they are made in Borehamwood, near the studio the film was made.
Compact cassette tapes are king's ! Low cost 's , high quality 's in voice's songs music 's ! Playing.... With sweet 's replays, playback..... Happy, back to life's!( 1985 years
I came to your channel for the dash cams, stayed for the obscure audio equipment. I burst out laughing when you tried to shove the full size cassette into the deck -- love how your videos often have those goofy bits! Perhaps the market for this device was little people? I wonder if the Little People Big World family has one in their stereo system.
Well, it's now 2019 and I looked up the link and as expected it is now a dead end. I need more equipment like a cow needs two utters, but I would have bough one for £59 just because it is a marvel of pre integrated chip technology with all kinds of discrete components and looks pretty nicely engineered.
Wow I really miss that sound of old tapes. I never had a quality player but the warmth of the format has disappeared. At least I get to hear it on 7 inch vinyl, played from a juke box in our band room. Crackle, hiss, fuzz and warmth :)
I have some microcassettes that I've bulk loaded with Metal tape from a 120 minute cassette and it worked well the audio quality was MUCH better. Still not that great for music.
Tech-retrieval time machines like that are pretty awesome, but occasionally they run through temporal vortixes which leave the chronitron reclamation system in need of a good clean. The retrieved device also has chronitron contamination, of course, which in audio manifests as a strong hiss. What you need is a tachyon sponge and cherenkov cleansing illuminators. You can get a really good kit from Q Supplies, not expensive at all...
I also bought one of these about two years ago, NOS. the idler is duff in it, so I've got it in bits :-/ but what I heard of it was astonishing. I also have a couple of aiwa microcassette boomboxes (CS-M1) & a fisher/sanyo boombox with the microcassette 'walkman' removable.
I saw only one of these back in 1986 at a surplus and salvage store. It was actually a portable black and what television that had the stereo micro-cassette built into the unit. The micro-cassette was actually a walkman and was detachable. I remember it being smoke damaged, as some of their merchandise came from warehouses that caught fire. When I asked how much, they told me they would not sell it to me because of the damage and took it off the floor.
Again: nice video. Thanks for uploading. Real fun stuff and a walk through memory lane. I do have an issue with any kind of audio tape noise reduction though. No matter which system (including professional Dolby A and SR for large format tapes): over time the signal on the tape will change: print-through, especially with thin tape, de-magnetization = neighboring magnetized particles tend to neutralize each other over time (the signal becomes softer and duller) and of course the head alignment issues of any kind of Cassette tape - not to mention drop outs, chemical and mechanical de-composition and "sticky tape syndrome". So the noise reduction can't interpret the original encoded signal correctly, leading to all kinds of unwanted artifacts. I apologize if I talk about well known stuff :-) Thanks again for uploading.
+Christian Schonberger You're right, head alignment was a big problem. I mean interchangeability between devices. If it's was not ok, the treble was gone! But it was ok! Today we see people listening to music from a cell phone, I mean without the headphones, just from the small speaker and they think it's ok!
I'm not sure if this is the reason for your hiss problem, but the tape head could be magnetized. I have a regular cassette sized demagnetizer from the early 90's. it was a cassette with a computer chip in it. It did indeed work. to take out hissing.
6:54 what exactly causes the loss you speak of in the video at 8:20? it sounds fine to me, I would think what you describe is an effect of being mono, or the soundtracks used. Is it just because the added noise and hiss that the sound quality suffers, or is there real loss, perhaps like some sort of distortion or attenuation and high or low frequencies? To me it sounds like loss at the low end, not enough base, and it being mono.
Power Max I can't really add anything to the comment I made in the video. The Microcassette audio just sounds a bit flat (when listened to in person rather than via youtube). If you've ever listened to an AM radio, you'll know what I mean - your favourite song on an AM radio might have the words and melody of the song you know - but it lacks the detail and richness.
Wow, that's interesting. Thanks Techmoan for putting this together. I never knew about this deck but it was a couple years before I really got into audio anyway. It was like the DAT of it's time - speaking of things to come. Seems like it would have sounded better if they would have given it a double tape speed mode. The downside of course would be short recording time, but to have a decent recording in that small of a package in 1981 would have been very cool. I wonder if they could have tried this format again using digital technology? I bet that could have worked fairly well until recordable CD's, MP3, and Solid State came along.
Fun Fact! Soundwave actually transforms into a portable mini-cassette recorder , And his cassette minions turn into mini-cassettes. The toys of the Characters were also to scale
These "micro cassettes " were often used in phone answering machines . I don't know they were used in hifi devices . The oldest hifi system that i have is fourty five years old , it's german ( Grundig Studio Hifi 2000 ) works like new , never serviced , it has a built in hifi record player , the system was ready for the 4Dstereo , but 4D stereo vinyl records were rare and expensive , a radio tuner with five presets for the fm radios or manual too , still have the stock speaker boxes ....this device sounds better than crappy medern made devices of nowdays , it has real bass and fine treble ....very pleasant to listen .I can plug a tape deck , there is a special plug for it in the rear panel of this stereo .I made a special plug-adapter , then i can play mp3 devices by using their headphone output : works fine !
I think time is overdue for a correction: the turntable seen in Steve Job's home and in the movie Looper is not the Transcriptor, but rather the Gyrodec / Gyro SE. A funny side note is that J.A. Michell Engineering who makes them also used to manufacture a licensed version of the Transcriptor. Another fun fact is than the late John Michell (of Michell Engineering) made the scale model of the space craft used in the movie 2001: A Space Odyssey.
BTW it sounds like the deck has capacitors in it that have gone bad. Stereo Microcassette sounded like a good idea, but I guess the public was happy enough with regular cassettes. With decks going for $450 for a tape format with less recording time and slower tape speed it really wasn't a good deal anyway. I dont remember seeing any of these decks being sold anywhere in the southwest back in the early 80's. I doubt they got much if any promotion or mainstream distribution in the USA.
About twelve years ago, I was trying to find a solution that would allow me to take some music to play as I walked to and from work, and be able to store the unit comfortably in my pocket as I worked at a supermarket bagging groceries. At that time, I did look into micro cassette, but that technology was thoroughly dead as digital voice recorders had replaced them. Those were well over a hundred dollars at the time so I couldn't afford anything like that. Most MP3 players were still untouchably priced as well. Eventually, I settled for a simple, drug store MP3 player that also played WMA. This unit cost over $40 at the time, had no display, and only had 64MB if storage space. I used the WMA format to shrink the files even more giving me a total of two albums at 96kbps in WMA. It was far from being ideal, but it got the job done. Thankfully, we aren't confined to such tight storage amounts anymore. I normally use MP3 at 256kbps because my ears don't normally pick up the difference to 256 and 320. I'm starting to tip my toes into 48kHz and better sample rates as I'm starting to pick up on the depth the audio brings. With the price in storage going down, it is starting to becoming easier to go for more higher quality music. Currently, I am using a stand alone, component MP3 player connected to my stereo like you would a CD player (that has a remote and is powered off a transformer). If I would find something like that that also supports FLAC audio, I could start moving into HD audio.
That is the downside of youtube. We were allowed to almost upload whatever containing music and there just was a reminder or a commercial over the youtube screen, but was okay when it was 'fair use' of some sort. Last year youtube/google began severely muting or even blocking videos that had music in it, even if it was some background music in a public space that you weren't intentionally aware of. And yes, their filters are strong. And so you end up with using some annoying b-artist youtube library muzac under your video
The amount of money, time and effort Mat puts into these videos is insane!! Thanks for another brilliant look into our tech past
Felix Gardner Thanks - these videos have a habit of spiralling out of control on both budget and time - I find it difficult to cut any corners once I've got started.
The micro deck sounded way better than I expected.
I used to have a Sony Walkman that had a Metal setting. I thought it was just a special preset for Heavy Metal music.
+GeoKaching Johnny New tape formulations mostly came about due to the needs of slower moving tape and narrower tracks. Traditional type-1 tape became somewhat low-fi when used in cassettes. As this video demonstrates, there are limits to what even metal tape can compensate for.
+GeoKaching Johnny Long Lost Evil Twin.
+GeoKaching Johnny What if it had a Chrome setting? Glamrock?
+KJER ERRT Ah, I wouldn't say all, I had a Sony Walkman in 1998 that my mother bought me from the US, it was actually made of clear transparent plastic so you could see what was inside it. I don't believe it could play metal formulation tapes though. Certainly some if not many Sony Walkman products had a tape formulation switch, but not every single one did.
Really?
That recording actually sounded really good despite the hiss.
Your audio/HiFi videos are my absolute favourite out of all the videos you do. In fact, it was your HiFi videos that made me discover you in the first place. I love your style, your tech videos are the only ones on TH-cam that leave me feeling like I've learnt something, especially the audio ones, as I have a deep fascination for HiFi! Thanks again. :)
Kazzy TalkTalk Thanks old chap - always good to find out why someone ended up here and what kind of things they prefer to watch.
I have a time machine too. I go into it, pull the covers up, and I awake 8 hours in the future feeling surprisingly refreshed!
I could do with one of those!
Mine sadly only goes 5-6 hours in the future and suddenly I have to go to work in an hour and all my energy is drained before I've even started. Considering not using it anymore.
'TH-cam audio library 2' is one my favourite albums of all time
Way better than the original!
Jack1138
They really went downhill after 3 though...
Are you kidding me?! I don't even prefer the TH-cam library (in general)... one of the lamest vile of sounds Ive heard (absolutely not my genre)... Especially stringy instruments played in a folk-motive (like the Water Lily song) makes me gag >__
@@KairuHakubi Well done. Unfortunately, the 'whoosh' will probably go 'whoosh' too.
I love the 80s! So lucky to have grown up in that marvelous decade
LOL! I gasped just a bit when you removed the cover and I saw that big power transformer. I was very much a consumer of Japanese audio gear back then, and did my share of repairing, and popping the cover off all kinds of gear, but I can tell I've really grown accustomed to today's high-frequency switching power supplies. That transformer (and I imagine the correspondingly big electrolytic capacitors in the power supply) really took me back to another place and time!
Did either TEAC or Sanyo ever consider releasing a microcassette with removable reels? That surely would have been the pinnacle of useless tape media ;)
custardo Yes for sure. lol
custardo i'd like to design & 3d print a set that is JUST that
Just when I think you've covered every obscure audio format ever produced you come up with yet another one. Well done.
Just adorable - I thought I've known every possible hi-fi component and there I find… a microcassette deck on TH-cam! Splendid presentation - THANK YOU!!!
WOW! I didn't know this existed in 1971! This turntable is in Clockwork Orange. So ahead of it's time.
Love that ive just found this channel in the last month and theres years of quality to watch
Old tech is fascinating, and that's why I love this channel
The hiss just adds charm. Like a 1960's studio recording. The acoustic guitar piece sounded quite good.
Somehow I missed this FIVE years ago... But TH-cam, in their algorithmic wisdom, knew to suggest this to me today! Nice discussion of the attempt to turn a dictation format into a hifi format.
I'm glad there's at least one other person besides me who doesn't treat old technology with disrespect like trash!
Just wanted to say I really enjoy your videos. The calmness and professionalism in the way you make these is something I find very soothing :) Just a really nice, relaxed moment in my day. And learning something as well. Keep this up.
Another great video. Reminds me of a small jam-box I had. Stereo micro-cassette, AM/FM radio, and a 3" TV in the same portable case. 4" full range speakers, and small condenser mics mounted over the speakers. I still have the mics, but the rest is trashed.
WOW, I just found it on E-Bay. a Sharp Tri-Mate 3000!
As a kid (I'm 37) I always thought the "metal" button was for equalizer preset. I was always wishing that one day they would have a "rap" button next to it. Lmao it makes sense now.
Holy crap I never knew about walkman headphones, those are ridiculously cool!
I can remember wanting them (not that I ever saw any in the flesh), but they were way out of my financial league as a kid. They seemed so futuristic!
I lived in Japan in the early 80's I remember seeing Pre recorded micro cassettes at the record stores. I wanted to get a player but they were too expensive.
Hi Techmoan, I just came across your videos and wanted to let you know that I really appreciate all the research, time and effort you have spent assembling these very informative videos. Your presentations are clear, instructive, and the subjects well delivered. I have learned a lot about the history of "Hi-Fi" that I did not know about (sadly enough for a Baby Boomer Hi-Fi nut). Thank you so much, Ciao, L
I was surprised how well the piano noted were reproduced. They would be the first to suffer from the slow speed, so apparently the manufacturer did a great job in stabilizing tape movement even if the music sounds flat in generallys
Not to worry, the hiss was barely noticeable. Thanks for the continued effort to bring forgotten tech back to the fore.
I originally thought the Metal option was playing Metal music. LOL
+WebVMan lol
So the chrome tapes where for softrock
So the chrome tapes where for softrock :-)
same when I was about 8 I thought that the metal option on my cassette deck meant it would replace my recording with heavy metal music.
Chrome would be for jazz! With saxophones trumpets etc.
MANY moons ago when I worked on the railway one of our nicer commuters who had a ridiculously high-flying job in the City gave me a tiny boombox. It was made by AIWA and had an AM/FM stereo radio, and a stereo Microcassette deck, even had METAL tape setting. It didn't sound bad through decent headphones. Ran on 4 HP7 batteries, AAs today. Eventually the belts went in the tape part, but I did, somehow, manage to replace them ! Still have it kicking around somewhere. Picked up a deck like this Sanyo too, at a car boot of all places.
Microcassette deck arrived , didn't work out of the box but had the same issue as yours . there is a tiny white idler that runs both reel spindles and the lubricating grease appears to have dried out and gone sticky . I didn't try to take it apart as your "assembled by a jeweller" comment was bang on ! I just applies wd40 with a pin to both sides of the spindle and worked ffwd and rew and its fine now .The recorded quality with normal tapes is adequate for normal listening but as you say this is a novelty item and fun to use .
Keep the videos coming . Gordon.
I have been listening to a Radio Netherlands Media Network programme online about the future of the cassette with somebody from BASF that was broadcast in the 1990's and maybe the metal tape cassette could've survived if regular Compact Cassette decks had a half speed control which would have taken advantage of the denser metal particle / metal alloy packed formulae of IEC Type 4 Metal Bias Cassettes, i.e. you really start to notice the benefits of metal tape at reduced half speed.
I hope one day, someone will give you a kind of award for these videos.
It's funny how from late 1960's into the early 1970's everyone wanted a big receiver, TT and large cabinet speakers. Showin' off your hifi system was boss. Impressing friends (and not so much neighbors) with your robust amp and sixty pound speakers with 12" woofers was the bees knees. As later 1970's came the trend was starting to lean to smaller component systems. Unlike children they were to be heard and not seen. A few manufacturers offered micro stuff. It was only logical that someone would develop micro cassettes. Much like the two speed cassette decks offered by BIC, these were high tech fads that came and went. Nice to see a video on these machines.
Whilst the tape stock on both standard and micro cassettes are of the same width (1/8 inch) and Metal standard cassettes still being relatively easy to get hold of, you could splice some Metal tape from a standard cassette into a microcassette replacing the original even without dismantling it.
Thanks: your old-gear videos are my favourites.
Thanks for this interesting review. The 80's were indeed a fascinating time with it's miniaturizing obsession.
Completely off the topic, but this reminds me of my old Pentax Auto 110 SLR camera that could be bought in kit form, complete with extra lenses that i can swap just like it's full-size 35mm cousins. It was a fully functional SLR, albeit in fully auto mode only - no aperture, shutter priority or fully manual mode. With it i took better composed and exposed pictures than possible with regular candybar, simple 110 cameras available at the time. It's major limitation was the media itself - 110 film was/is far to small a format to produce quality images with. Regular prints often showed far too much grain, especially in low-light situations and when developed, photo labs would often misalign the negatives in the enlarger, cropping out my careful compositions via the prism/fresnel SLR viewfinder.
Still, despite these shortcomings, it was as intriguing as this micro cassette deck.
I used micro tapes to record my music to back in the 1980s. it was a mono handheld player but I didn't care what others thought.
I had a stereo Walkman with micro cassettes from Sony with record function and I enjoyed it very much. Even recorded concerts/live performances with it. It had no metal switch but I did manage to put new tape in a cassette one time because it's the same width as compact cassette, so you could fill it with metal tape yourself. I would have liked to known at that time that a deck existed. It's true that the quality is not so good, and it has quite some wow and flutter, but when you want to listen to your favorite music when you're far away from home, you accept any quality. This was before the internet eara.
that actually sounds quite good! the little tape that could
Great video, many thanks.
In the age of Spotify instant availability I think we miss the thrill of using this type of technology. What we lost in sound quality we made up for from soft touch switches, bouncing LEDs and smooth turning dials.
I agree with that!
Hi, I just wanted to say that I absolutely love your channel, I recently found it on youtube and I'm watching every single one of your videos. So I couldnt wait any longer to give you my best wishes. My father recently passed away and left me with some vintage audio/video equiptment that now I adore and treasure. I remember my 80s 90s childhood just watching my father use these kind of equipment which for the time seemed like something out of a james bond movie to me. I'm from Mexico BTW and I never knew where my father gathered all these stuff because I grew up in a little city far away from the capital or big cities (we've got cable TV until the late 90s). Love your work man.
Just when I think I've watched ever techmoan video....I discover another 😂 youtube it's great a hiding videos until you watch a similar video
The push for smaller micro sized media eventually resulted in Mp3 and wav etc. etc. you can’t get any smaller than that. So now it amazes me when I see the “resurgence” of vinyl, cassette, etc.
We solved the miniaturisation issue with mp3s and later streaming.
The issue we have now is people who want something for home listening, display and ownership. So hence formats that lend themselves to that - Vinyl, Cassette, etc.
It's kind of amazing how we seem to have swapped problems.
I got my little brother a handheld micro cassette recorder back in the early 80's, lol. He fancied himself a ten year old secret agent.
I never seen one of these! I have had (check that,still have) microcassette recorders and have contemplated a stereo deck. I didn't realize someone had ACTUALLY built them! Would fit in perfectly with the 8mm VCRs they used to make!
In your next video can you explain how you built your time machine? :D
ThatBulgarian he didn't make it, he bought it in the future
@@Ndlanding and that was before the election
A Time Traveller gave it to him
Seeing his time machine setup, I can only think one thing... how does it get up to 88 miles per hour?!
There's a pun: If microcassette is best for voice, you should be able to just plug in a MICROPHONE(-cassette).
excellent video. You made an interesting piece of history available for a larger audience.
Max Koschuh Thanks - that's the idea, I'm trying to make a video museum (whilst having a bit of fun).
Techmoan Use a ground loop Isolator. The unit gets installed inline and are relatively inexpensive. That should take the hiss away.
I have experienced such a hiss with a vintage TEAC A-500 tapedeck. It was an issue with the recording preamplifier. A record volume more than 60% caused a feedback in the rec amp circuitry.
Max Koschuh I agree that it was an excellent video. I'd never heard of the MicroCassette being used for music and wouldn't have thought that it would have been considered since the speed of the Compact Cassette (1 7/8 inches per second) was barely adequate for sound. A surprise was the size of the machine, which looked like a normal-sized device...until you tried to put the standard compact cassette in.
There was one possibility for music though: the music single. At 3 3/4 inches per second (4 times its original speed) each side of a 46 minute tape would hold about 5.75 minutes of music, comparable to the 45 RPM record. However, it probably would have been difficult to introduce a new, limited use, format.
Great! When I was a student, I wanted this deck. However, it was so expensive that I couldn't afford it.
The thing is, this was an ideal format for portable music. Back in the day, I had an Olympus SW-77 (still got it in the cupboard somewhere... It doesn't work now though.) Even with the bulk of it's dictaphone style mono speaker, it was still a bit smaller than a personal stereo, and I could have more cassettes in my jacket pockets too... But why anyone thought it would make a passable home system, and charge that much for it is anyone's guess...
you are supposed to leave the dolby on on playback but if the sound is to dull you may have to adjust the bias internally to compensate for the tape quality.
There was a microcasette player that had an unbelievable frequency response of 20 to 19 khz I can't remember the brand though
Can you do a video on how you made the time machine?
+Louis I didn't make it, I bought it in the future.
+Techmoan But how did you get to the future in the first place.....?
+Louis I'm guessing someone in the future fast forwarded him.
John Platko I guess so.
Time machine won't work with bad caps. Makes it hiss too much.
Just discovering your wonderful channel. A bit older than you, I remember all these things coming (and going!)
Thanks for another excellent video! The Clockwork Orange catch is a nice reference as is the distinction between mini and micro cassette.
I have a General Electric portable boom box if you will, that has a removable, docking stereo micro cassette Walkman that pops out. The other parts are a stereo FM and AM radio and a small CRT NTSC color TV and stereo speakers of course.
Like you, I love these forgotten corners of consumer electronics.
Superb, little unusual thing. Bonus points for the Clockwork Orange stuff.
i remember seeing pre recorded micro cassette tapes in a movie, a clockwork orange, might have been a prop
That solenoid makes the rest of the mechanism seem out of scale! Always good to see a solenoid in any deck of that form factor in my general opinion. That looks like a very well built deck and the sound was surprisingly stable for microcassette. Heavy fly wheels are good!
The demo tape clearly shows the Dolby logo while the player did not have Dolby enabled. The audio levels are at the extreme end of the scale and will result in tape saturation and will add distortion and soft limiting while Dolby again was not enabled for playback. I would have expected the recording to have had Dolby enabled. The hiss is a given since it appears to be external to the deck in use, but it really did not sound too bad and optimized would sound better. For comparison, Nakamichi had a 2 speed deck and the 15/16 ips half speed specs are 20 - 15,000 response with a s/n greater than 60 db with metal tape, but then nothing compares to a Nakamichi.
Dennis Romo I bought one of these and the demo tape honestly sounds better with Dolby NR off (still terrible), its much more muffled with it switched on. Recording your own stuff sounds fine, so the demo tape just used really terrible quality recordings
the music in the demonstration tape sounds good as it's smooth and jazzy stuff of that time. I like it!
With the elimination of the external hiss and some bias level adjustment on the Sanyo deck, it should sound decent. It's possible the flattening of the sound is due to incorrect biasing, it's compressing the dynamics and rolling off the bass and treble. But it goes to show how capable 1/8" wide tape is with modern magnetic tape formulations, even at this slow speed.
I don't know why, but I want one of these! Its just cute-as-a-button!
I would love that machine. Always fascinated with micro cassette.
I don't remember if I ever heard of a deck, but I saw a stereo m.c. AM/FM radio in a Panasonic catalog years ago. Thanks for the video!!
Hey man you already know this , but your videos are just the best!!! Thank you for educating and entertaining us!!!
As i went searching for the sanyo machine i found that there was also a jvc micro casette deck. Its on sale on ebay Oct 2018. Starting at 100lb ;)
I know longer find it all that shocking that sci-fi ideas become reality, because I have seen it all too often now.
I still recall watching a futuristic show in the eighties, where a doctor was holding a little pad in their hand, and it was giving them all kinds of visual information... kind of like an iPad.
+1 for the Pioneer CT-F1250 and SX-3600 - and that gorgeous RT-909. I have an SX-3800, CT-F1250, CT-F950, SA-9800, the list goes on... Fluoroscan gear kicks ass.
I have a tiny little boombox that I picked up in a thrift store that has a microcassette player built in, right next to a tiny B/W television screen. I would link a photo of it but Photobucket seems determined to hold my old pictures hostage until I pay a license fee (for a service I only utilize three or four times a year, and block me from downloading my photo library). The thing is, the microcassette player didn't work. I've always put the idea of attempting to repair it on the back burner since this kind of thing usually doesn't work out well for me. After watching this video, I realize I'll never be able to get it working. It goes into the storage shed next to the other impossible repair projects languishing out there in the Texas heat.
Hey u never know. It could really be a simple repair, could be tricky, but keep in mind that if the tape reels/centerpieces are not spinning then it could be quite likely that a belt is simply worn out which is often the most likely failure, in which case it is an easy fix to replace with a new belt and you can buy like 100 of them for five bucks of all different sizes. Could even use a rubber band
My grandmother had a Fisher (I think that was the brand in Canada too) system in that same style... full-size cassettes, mind you (and I'm pretty sure a turntable too), but seeing a similar product brings back memories.
I may not be an audiophile at all, but for me the microcassette sounded really good
Freaking awesome! I had one, completely forgot about those things!
Great video.... One error, most of the turntables shown weren't Transcriptors, they are Michell GyroDecs. Michell did make the Hydraulic Reference under licence from Transcriptors, and I believe (may be wrong) that the one in A Clockwork Orange is a Michell version, as they are made in Borehamwood, near the studio the film was made.
LOL...I laughed like crazy when you first tried to put the cassette in...I assumed it was normal size. Well done.
McRocket Glad I caught someone out - I was concerned the video description would give the game away.
Techmoan Well, maybe I am just thicker then most people at this. But whatever it was - you got me.
Well done.
Compact cassette tapes are king's ! Low cost 's , high quality 's in voice's songs music 's ! Playing.... With sweet 's replays, playback..... Happy, back to life's!( 1985 years
I came to your channel for the dash cams, stayed for the obscure audio equipment. I burst out laughing when you tried to shove the full size cassette into the deck -- love how your videos often have those goofy bits!
Perhaps the market for this device was little people? I wonder if the Little People Big World family has one in their stereo system.
Pelase could you name the song that starts at minute 7:57????
Well, it's now 2019 and I looked up the link and as expected it is now a dead end. I need more equipment like a cow needs two utters, but I would have bough one for £59 just because it is a marvel of pre integrated chip technology with all kinds of discrete components and looks pretty nicely engineered.
Who knew watching videos on dead-end old technology could be so much fun, cheers mate. I hope you do one on the tape DAT format one of these days.
Estou fascinado. Sou apaixonado por equipamentos vintage. Um grande abraço
Wow I really miss that sound of old tapes. I never had a quality player but the warmth of the format has disappeared. At least I get to hear it on 7 inch vinyl, played from a juke box in our band room. Crackle, hiss, fuzz and warmth :)
Your commentary reminds me of Ringo Starr.
This is fantastic haha.
interesting subject as ever,although not something I'd get for myself. What did stand out for me was the editing of it. Really well done.
slicedpage Thanks - the editing on this one took quite a lot longer than I anticipated, so I'm glad it showed.
I have some microcassettes that I've bulk loaded with Metal tape from a 120 minute cassette and it worked well the audio quality was MUCH better. Still not that great for music.
Tech-retrieval time machines like that are pretty awesome, but occasionally they run through temporal vortixes which leave the chronitron reclamation system in need of a good clean. The retrieved device also has chronitron contamination, of course, which in audio manifests as a strong hiss. What you need is a tachyon sponge and cherenkov cleansing illuminators. You can get a really good kit from Q Supplies, not expensive at all...
When I started the video first thing I thought of was "clockwork Orange".
I also bought one of these about two years ago, NOS. the idler is duff in it, so I've got it in bits :-/ but what I heard of it was astonishing. I also have a couple of aiwa microcassette boomboxes (CS-M1) & a fisher/sanyo boombox with the microcassette 'walkman' removable.
I love your vintage audio videos. So cool! big thumbs up!
I saw only one of these back in 1986 at a surplus and salvage store. It was actually a portable black and what television that had the stereo micro-cassette built into the unit. The micro-cassette was actually a walkman and was detachable. I remember it being smoke damaged, as some of their merchandise came from warehouses that caught fire. When I asked how much, they told me they would not sell it to me because of the damage and took it off the floor.
Again: nice video. Thanks for uploading. Real fun stuff and a walk through memory lane.
I do have an issue with any kind of audio tape noise reduction though. No matter which system (including professional Dolby A and SR for large format tapes): over time the signal on the tape will change: print-through, especially with thin tape, de-magnetization = neighboring magnetized particles tend to neutralize each other over time (the signal becomes softer and duller) and of course the head alignment issues of any kind of Cassette tape - not to mention drop outs, chemical and mechanical de-composition and "sticky tape syndrome". So the noise reduction can't interpret the original encoded signal correctly, leading to all kinds of unwanted artifacts. I apologize if I talk about well known stuff :-) Thanks again for uploading.
+Christian Schonberger You're right, head alignment was a big problem. I mean interchangeability between devices. If it's was not ok, the treble was gone! But it was ok! Today we see people listening to music from a cell phone, I mean without the headphones, just from the small speaker and they think it's ok!
I'm not sure if this is the reason for your hiss problem, but the tape head could be magnetized. I have a regular cassette sized demagnetizer from the early 90's. it was a cassette with a computer chip in it. It did indeed work. to take out hissing.
6:54 what exactly causes the loss you speak of in the video at 8:20? it sounds fine to me, I would think what you describe is an effect of being mono, or the soundtracks used. Is it just because the added noise and hiss that the sound quality suffers, or is there real loss, perhaps like some sort of distortion or attenuation and high or low frequencies? To me it sounds like loss at the low end, not enough base, and it being mono.
Power Max I can't really add anything to the comment I made in the video. The Microcassette audio just sounds a bit flat (when listened to in person rather than via youtube). If you've ever listened to an AM radio, you'll know what I mean - your favourite song on an AM radio might have the words and melody of the song you know - but it lacks the detail and richness.
Wow, that's interesting. Thanks Techmoan for putting this together. I never knew about this deck but it was a couple years before I really got into audio anyway. It was like the DAT of it's time - speaking of things to come. Seems like it would have sounded better if they would have given it a double tape speed mode. The downside of course would be short recording time, but to have a decent recording in that small of a package in 1981 would have been very cool. I wonder if they could have tried this format again using digital technology? I bet that could have worked fairly well until recordable CD's, MP3, and Solid State came along.
Fun Fact! Soundwave actually transforms into a portable mini-cassette recorder , And his cassette minions turn into mini-cassettes. The toys of the Characters were also to scale
These "micro cassettes " were often used in phone answering machines .
I don't know they were used in hifi devices .
The oldest hifi system that i have is fourty five years old , it's german ( Grundig Studio Hifi 2000 ) works like new , never serviced , it has a built in hifi record player , the system was ready for the 4Dstereo , but 4D stereo vinyl records were rare and expensive , a radio tuner with five presets for the fm radios or manual too , still have the stock speaker boxes ....this device sounds better than crappy medern made devices of nowdays , it has real bass and fine treble ....very pleasant to listen .I can plug a tape deck , there is a special plug for it in the rear panel of this stereo .I made a special plug-adapter , then i can play mp3 devices by using their headphone output : works fine !
I wish I had one of those, because I use microcassettes to make podcasts at home now. The recorder I used sounds like a AM radio.
I think time is overdue for a correction: the turntable seen in Steve Job's home and in the movie Looper is not the Transcriptor, but rather the Gyrodec / Gyro SE. A funny side note is that J.A. Michell Engineering who makes them also used to manufacture a licensed version of the Transcriptor. Another fun fact is than the late John Michell (of Michell Engineering) made the scale model of the space craft used in the movie 2001: A Space Odyssey.
i really like the look of old hfi units nice video too
Love your videos, man.
I always watch one while evacuating.
BTW it sounds like the deck has capacitors in it that have gone bad.
Stereo Microcassette sounded like a good idea, but I guess the public was happy enough with regular cassettes. With decks going for $450 for a tape format with less recording time and slower tape speed it really wasn't a good deal anyway. I dont remember seeing any of these decks being sold anywhere in the southwest back in the early 80's. I doubt they got much if any promotion or mainstream distribution in the USA.
About twelve years ago, I was trying to find a solution that would allow me to take some music to play as I walked to and from work, and be able to store the unit comfortably in my pocket as I worked at a supermarket bagging groceries. At that time, I did look into micro cassette, but that technology was thoroughly dead as digital voice recorders had replaced them. Those were well over a hundred dollars at the time so I couldn't afford anything like that. Most MP3 players were still untouchably priced as well. Eventually, I settled for a simple, drug store MP3 player that also played WMA. This unit cost over $40 at the time, had no display, and only had 64MB if storage space. I used the WMA format to shrink the files even more giving me a total of two albums at 96kbps in WMA. It was far from being ideal, but it got the job done. Thankfully, we aren't confined to such tight storage amounts anymore. I normally use MP3 at 256kbps because my ears don't normally pick up the difference to 256 and 320. I'm starting to tip my toes into 48kHz and better sample rates as I'm starting to pick up on the depth the audio brings. With the price in storage going down, it is starting to becoming easier to go for more higher quality music. Currently, I am using a stand alone, component MP3 player connected to my stereo like you would a CD player (that has a remote and is powered off a transformer). If I would find something like that that also supports FLAC audio, I could start moving into HD audio.
I have a microcassette stereo boombox. It was by National if I remember right. I think I have some brand new metal microcassette tapes, too, lol.
Cha Cappella has to be the worst song I have ever heard, the micro cassette may have improved it.
+Alexander Moreau Indeed, I agree. It really got on my tits, to be honest.
It's still on my tits. Any ideas?
Try pulling on it harder. If it doesn't come off, you might have to consult a doctor.
That is the downside of youtube. We were allowed to almost upload whatever containing music and there just was a reminder or a commercial over the youtube screen, but was okay when it was 'fair use' of some sort. Last year youtube/google began severely muting or even blocking videos that had music in it, even if it was some background music in a public space that you weren't intentionally aware of. And yes, their filters are strong. And so you end up with using some annoying b-artist youtube library muzac under your video
Perfect for mischief videos lol.