When people face something they don't want to accept, they often go through five stages: 1. Denial: Refusing to acknowledge the reality of the situation, not wanting to believe it has happened. 2. Anger: Feeling angry and perceiving the situation as unfair. 3. Bargaining: Trying to negotiate or make changes to avoid or reverse what has happened. 4. Depression: Experiencing deep sadness, disappointment, or helplessness. 5. Acceptance: Gradually accepting reality and beginning to find ways to move forward.
It's not denial, it's knowing hype and what's real. China has a scary ground based missile program. They have a large and capable navy. Their loitering drone capability is probably crazy scary. Their electronic warfare and cyber are top of the line. All huge threats As far as there fighters and bombers, they have to use Russian made jets still, which are WAY behind in power, reliability, size, and fuel economy when compared to American and European jets. This thing they're calling 6th Gen is a parody at best. They can't even get their own AF to use the J20 or J35. They still want the J16 and countries that have gotten Chinese fighters are furious at their quality and reliability. When did China make this leap to creating quality? Again, China hasn't even mastered making better jets that 4th Gen Russian ones, despite having them. It's laughable to think they skipped designing everything up through 4th and leap frogged to make the first 6th.
@@ClericChris "It's not denial, " Sure it is not. DENIAL is the first stage in dealing with PAIN. I see the Americans are well onto this first stage. Congrats. But this could be a loooong stage to journey.
@@ClericChris "This thing they're calling 6th Gen is a parody at best. They can't even get their own AF to use the J20 or J35." This is the best not DENIAL, DENIAL yet. Keep dream on. Don't wake up to reality. It might be a lot more painful than you think.
@@albertcadgame8314 The F14 made its first flight in 1970, 54 years ago. The U.S. military no longer uses these. Some were sold to Iran in the 70's which are still in use today.
Americans when Russia shows superior dogfight maneuvers: "Eh, that doesn't matter, he'd never get to dogfight us" Americans when China shows a huge stealth platform that can fire tons of long range missiles: "This thing can't dogfight against an F-16" Btw, it sure looks like this plane is capable of a lot more than the mach 2 since it doesn't have a divertless supersonic intake like every latest sub-mach 2 jet (including the F-35) ALSO! China has also shown ANOTHER 6th gen jet that looks smaller and much more maneuverable!
@@creativeearthian1702 He is agreeing with you. Here's the translation: On the first 6th gen fighter these two are talking about "dogfights", when they see the second one they will start talking about "overcapacity"🤣
Do you really believe that the USA, a proven superpower since World War II, wouldn’t already have something comparable to, if not more advanced than, the so-called 6th-generation mock-up unveiled by China? Considering how many state-of-the-art warplanes the U.S. has produced since World War II, do you truly think they are losing their technological edge?
@@achaindia Do you really believe that the USA, a proven superpower since World War II, wouldn’t already have something comparable to, if not more advanced than, the so-called 6th-generation mock-up unveiled by China? Considering how many state-of-the-art warplanes the U.S. has produced since World War II, do you truly think they are losing their technological edge?
Don't underestimate your enemy, especially one who has gone to the backside of the moon and Mars. This is a near space fighter bomber with long or extra long range missiles, probably with drones swarming in front of it or J-20s around it. No F16 can get near to it. It is suicidal. Its targets are AWAC, tankers, and its hypersonic missiles will sink aircraft carriers. Talking about dog fight with this 6th generation aircraft is old school and silly.
These experts have no conception of future warfare and capabilities of modern peer adversaries. Russians fight with shovels and Chinese fighters are really tofu trucks.
@@fatdoi003 also if a American f22 were to face the so called 6th gen Chinese aircraft if it even has the same level of stealth which from top photos looks like it has a few parts that would have a radar return. they would not see each other unless the lower munitions bays are open they would be invisible on head to head radar it would come down to visual sight and if they did dog fight the f22 has a smaller profile and literally can turn on a dime compared to something with a larger air surface like the Chinese aircraft.
This is the biggest misconception IMO. In a real war, dogfights would still happen. This idea that you can just lob missiles and expect to hit, warplanes are too good at avoiding missiles for that IMO, and warplanes also are very limited on how many missiles they can carry.
Americans when seeing Russian aircraft "You don't need to maneuver in modern air to air combat it is all BVR, that 3D thrust vectoring is only good for airshows...." Americans when seeing Chinese aircraft "But if you get in close you can out maneuver it"
It's probably not hypersonic. Hypersonic speeds create an plasma around the airplane that makes it easy to spot, so hypersonic and stealth don't work together. Stealth materials would also be destroyed by the heat and plasma. Stelth fighers/bombers are slower than older tech because of the sensitive stealth materials.
LOL! I am not American, in fact, I don't really like America, at all! BUT, this plane might sneak up and take out one or two smaller fighter jets. But what happens when the others turn on this big, chonky plane? It can't maneuver, it's just going to become millions of yen worth of metallic confetti real quick! To be honest, this video, and the close ups look super fake, I'm just seeing fake propaganda to be honest.
@@ryanseet8314 whether to amateurs or professional pilots the "temporary pitot tube on prototype" is a well known FACT, the irony here is these 2 pilots don't seem to know it 😂
By coming within 1 meter of a sniper, you can indeed beat him with an axe in a dogfight. Oh, but don't forget, you can't see him from beginning to end.
That's what desperate people do since they can't let others know their real thoughts and weaknesses. They hide behind fake masks and say the opposite of true reality.
@@JonnyWaldes There was an image leaked from when it was still on the ground and you can see it has a thirth exhaust, we don't know if it's from an engine but it likely is.
@onlycheeseislife Exactly what I was saying! Kids these days are just gonna repeat the same mistakes already made. LOL! Laziness depending on missiles is what led to the creation of Top Gun in the first place!
@@alexgavieres8293 F22 has an internal cannon and can out dog any other aircraft. Because it might just need it one day, in circumstances no one can predict.
@onlycheeseislifee uma briga briga de cães sempre aposte nós sukois eles tem mais de 60 anos de experiência em alta manobrabilidade,e furtividade aposte na lok Martin
Give the old man some slack , what choice does he have ? He either lies to himself to survive or accepts the fact that Murica is 15yrs behind Communisme .... the latter would be fatal to him 🤣🤣🤣
I don't understand why people on internet are interested on its Dog fight characteristics ?. Its not a tactical weapon, its a strategic weapon. It's a game changing war weapon that will give significant advantage and depth to Chinese forces. Its meant for super high altitude, super stealth, hypersonic or high supersonic speed, long range and very long range weapons capability. It will come quickly without detection, release its weapons hundreds of miles away and will disappear. Just imagine, the kind of base energy its BVR missiles will have giving those missiles a significant advantage. Its not going to come down and close to F-16 for a dog fight. Its actually kind of a smaller B-21 with high supersonic speeds that can be used for both air to air and air to ground or sea missions.
come on, it is so obvious. If you talk other's story you are the loser, but if you only talk your own story you are the eternal winner. It is nothing about reality but a good story for those who want to feel like an eternal winner.
So, it's just a slightly faster B52 bomber? I mean, it's so big! It's going to get detected by radar pretty fast I'd expect. It might manage sneak up on one target, which would have to be a strategic land based site though, surely? Why put so much effort into sneaking up on and taking out one fighter plane, before it gets blown to bits by the other fighter jets up there.
@candydandy2694 I don't understand how you could compare these with B52 which is very slow sub sonic aircraft. B52 cannot protect itself and is not even stealth. These 6th gen fighters are extremely fast (more speed than F35s) Plus these 6th gen are super stealth. These can attack strategic locations at long distances without being detected and very quickly. They will destroy any air patrol (F35s, F16s) with long range air to air missiles. Age of dog fight is over. Today all air combat happens at long range when pilots don't even see each other. Also size does not mean that it will appear in Radar. US B2 and B21 bomber are three times bigger than these 6th gen fighters but US claims they are invisible on radar. Same applies to these faster and meaner beasts of China.
Lockheed executives had a boardroom meeting today… Chairman to the board executives: “Guys, the Chinese just gave us the best Christmas gift.” “Pentagon will call us soon.”
If you guys think the technology in that plane is 20 years behind the US, you are living in a bubble and an echo chamber. You should never underestimate your adversary. We who are neither Chinese nor American, see just how advanced China is and is no longer behind the US. However, some in the US like you think of China the way it was 40 years ago. You are mistaken.
Forget about this jet or that jet, I just like the fact that China keeps doing things they way they want it and surprised the Americans every now and then despite USA's best effort to belittle them and pull them down in every possible ways! 😂
We belittle them because they copy and steal everything. They are not innovative with military equipment. They have tried to make their own intermediate caliber assault rifles for their troops and fail every time. They know the AK is not a platform to build modern needs onto, and can’t just copy the M4 pattern with global humiliation for having to copy
Looking at the bright side, I hope the states keep their belittling sentiments, hubris and arrogance. Misinformed adversary are weak. These people totally forgot one major advantage china has but almost no one speaks about it. Production capacity in wartime.
Go outside any large Chinese city and the highways turn to dirt roads almost instantly. The developed parts of China are extremely developed, but the rest of the country is still to catch up.
@@keirfarnum6811 Have you been to China? There 4th or 3rd tier cities are better than any so called US modern city. Clean, no homeless, low crime rate and fantastic public transportation.
@@fakecubed The US aircraft industry was surpassed by the Europeans within five years. In WW1 the Army Air Corps relied totally on foreign built aircraft.
@@fakecubed it sounded like when Chinese claims we invented gunpowder so you stolen all the gun tech. Are you people gonna be like this for the rest of this Asian centuries to come? Bc boy would a lot of peopl dunk on you lmao
The Chinese plane is going to be interlinked with multiple loyal wingmen drone controlled by AI each one of them with air to air and ground to air missiles. The plane and each drone is going to have some of the most advanced Electronic jamming capabilities able to fry enemy sensors and computers. Its going to fly above the atmosphere close space higher than any 5th generation plane can currently do today (That is why the 3d engine is for). Good luck trying to get close enough to it to dogfight it. Good luck trying lock onto it and having your missiles be able to overcome its EW capabilities. I think the guys in this videos a exhibiting a lot of cooping. They can't come to peace with the fact that the Chinese, the same people who are ahead in Solar panels, EVs, 5G, 5.5 G, Quantum Computers and AI in many areas might be ahead of the United States in aerospace technology.
@@anthonyberry8795 They couldn't build "Cars" either, but now their EVs are spanking everyone else. (And just BTW, 40% of US military assets contain Chinese Semiconductors, so you had better hope those claims that "Huawei can sent info back to China" aren't true, just in case they can *Shut down* those devices with a flash signal from a satellite )
5:28 Calling this a "more like a 4ht-gen aircraft motor"--obviously he's just making judgement from a very low-quality picture, and he doesn't really know what he's talking about. There are more higher-resolution pictures of this China's new Stealth aircraft, which shows both the bottom and the top. And it has three air intake holes, including one on the top. I heard the prototype motors (some says up to three motors) is capable of reaching 3 mach.
This Christmas week alone, China revealed 2 different 6th gen jets, world's first and largest amphibious assault ship 'Sichuan'with electromagnetic catapult, also their MD-22 hypersonic drone took flight for the first time, and and n 5th gen KJ-3000 AEW&C aircraft, who know what's gonna show up in the next year. Meanwhile here in US, Trump Trump Musk ban Tiktok ban dji drone greenland panama canal Canada 51th state....😂😂😂😂😂
@@zachphil3203 well a major feature of 6th gen platforms is anti stealh, such as multi band radars, sensor fusion, and triangulation. what are the chances this plane, already having cheek mounted radars like the Su-57, also has anti-stealth as well? you also fail to consider loyal wingmen and the SAC 6th gen design.
@@stanleydavidson6543 what is there in space that you need a super heavy booster when you dont even know the next country that boarders you from the north....
@@danieltam3923 F22 or F35 can't even do nothing against J20 where they have already had a few encountered where J20 have them locked and F22/F35 still can't see the J20
This old guy is full of BS, acting like he's stuck in a different era. Especially with that claim about having tech from 20 years ago, while Chinese scientists are out here dominating research awards these days.
@@chris5947 in the past? Sure. but Russia and USA stole technology back and forth during the cold war - all the time. that's what adversaries do. Think the USA never stole technology? secondly, the Chinese military academies are 3x larger than the American; they produce 8x the amount of STEM students per year and 2x the STEM PHD's, and their universities, infrastructure, etc, are far from being a joke anymore.
Are you guys really upset the US is laughing at the "6th" gen fighter? If anyone is coping it's the people crying about these ex pilots roasting this Christmas tree.
Let me tell you something based on my experience of living in the United States for more than a decade. When they are furious, they will really find excuses that even elementary school students wouldn't use to make it look like they still won.
Same was said in Vietnam. With the introduction of the aim 7 and and aim 9. Thing is with stealth vs stealth your basically forcing close encounters if they cant see each other till they are close range. Now stealth vs non stealth ya most likely wo t end up in a bfm fight. But stealth vs stealth could end up very close range before they spot each other so could have a higher chance of close in engagement
2:12 U know that computational power of an iPhone is more than anything you'd on F-22??? U guys tend to underestimate Chinese, the computational power of anything 25 years can't match anything we've available on our mass market products, for example DJI drones have smart AESA radars
@走在马勒戈壁上 from the US and other European nations. For example you got Siemens trains over to build railway and then stolen patented tech and never got them to build again.
As a Chinese, I admit that this plane is just a model, it does not have superior performance, China is just a developing country, how can it make more advanced aircraft than the US, so please continue to ignore us, the US is number one
@@jakejake8051 he clearly acknowledges the BVR advantage of the craft several times but the word dogfighting immediately triggered some of you all and that’s all you heard
Why did US return to having machine guns on our craft after removing them for the same reasons you give here? Lmfao dogfighting isn't dead. Just less common. There are dozens of situations where the battle wouldn't even take place until within visual ranges.
Aaaahhhh yes. The armchair experts are out in force. I’m sure you all have extensive experience with flying and fighting in airplanes. Something people who actually fly these things learn is that no matter how advanced the technology, there will always be instances where close combat occurs. Whether it’s because something happened to allow either or both parties to meet unexpectedly or because combat that started at long range came closer and closer because both parties defeated and avoided each other’s missile shots, it’s inevitable that WVR combat will occur at some point. The experts said all the same things before Vietnam but it ended up not being true. War is messy and chaotic; there will always be situations where things don’t go to plan.
This plane, regardless of generation, shows a very, very impressive step in electronic control loops. Controlling such a ship without traditional control surfaces is not easy as the computers are required to keep it in the air. That said the Chinese are on the cusp of that technology as they are confident enough to fly this thing in populated areas as can be seen by the buildings in the footage. If I´m the Pentagon I´m worried, very worried. China is not interested in offensive capabilities focusing on defensive equipment for their homeland. They are not expected to go to the merge, this plane is designed to slip into range undetected and fire off long range carrier killer missiles. The age of the carrier is over guys and with it US hegemony. Good riddance.
@@alphateam3326 The B2 is easier to control and see on radar. This new design from China is meant to end US meddling in the South China Sea and it will do just that.
@@_surpass fighter or not, the wing design has been an idea for a long time. And while it has its purpose for some things, a fighter design it is not, as was shown with the f16xl test plane. It can carry more, fly higher, etc but it sucks at turning or doing anything a fighter is supposed to do. This new plane? Not a fighter. High altitude missile boat? Sure. Not a fighter.
It has three engines. I think this is pretty important. It means a higher ascent altitude for fighter jets. If this aircraft mainly conducts combat missions in airspace above 20 kilometers, coupled with its own stealth capabilities, it is not easy for the current anti-missile systems and fighter jets to reach it.
1st of all, thank you both for your service. This is a fighter-bomber for strategic strike, not an Air-superiority combat AC, more similar role to B-21 instead of F-22. BTW, J-20 doesn't have a gun too, it's a missile truck.
I love that you know so much just from a few vids. maybe we get you to watch the Zapruder film and give is a defined answer about the Kennedy shooters(?)
It's made for high altitude fighter drone command over the battlefield, one of the things it can drop is a swarm of electronic warfare mini drones that create fake/ghost radar signatures so the enemy is overwhelmed and becomes an easier target for the fighter drones and other long distance fighters. Basically is a drone bus giving the speed, altitude and operational range to deploy such weapons
@@丝鱿鱼the other one is the complementary fighter to protect this one and execute the order it gives, the prototype has a human cabin in case the AI drone fails, also can be for not a pilot but a weapon operator. China already announced months ago, they had a fighter AI that defeated their best pilots, probably in simulator, now the second fighter is gonna put that AI in the battlefield
TH-cam, had taught me how to spot ignorance people just by their look. And l also noticed they all bear a very close resemblance to each other, it's almost like they're from the same family.
That’s because modern missiles are not infallible. Thinking that air combat will only be Beyond Visual Range is what the armchair experts think. In the reality of war, sh*t happens. Fighters might trade long distance shots and both defeat them in turn and end up getting closer and closer until they’re out of missiles and staring directly at each other. What do they do then? Hurl curse words at each other? No. They switch to guns. The idea that air combat will only be beyond visual range was assumed previously and has turned out to be wrong time after time. There will always be situations in which WVR combat occurs. It might be less common than in the past, but it will always happen.
He is pretty old and F-16's were used for close range fighting and bombing runs back in his day. So it makes sense he thinks like that. The F-15 was the premeir air to air superiority fighter in his time and he didn't fly that. The F-15 is allot bigger and designed to carry long range missles not the F-16. This is what happens when you get old, you will be there too one day and you will sound like your stuck in the past just like this guy shoot we all will its our destiny to grow old, useless and die.
With respect but the old vet guy seems like he's stuck in the 60s or somethings. It's funny how he thinks F-16 can kick its ass when get in close range. Sure, like a zero or any WW2 propeller plane can out turn an F-15 IF get in cloes range in a dogfight, but can you really? the fight would be over long before you even get the chance to be close as superior weapon systems and superior missiles are dominant. Also I literally burst in to laughter when he thinks it's equivalant to US technology 10 to 20 years ago. Walk out of the cave man, have you ever seen what the chinese have done in all of the industries? EVs, DJI drones, smartphones, to name a few. Yeah, let's keep thinking their technology is always one generation behind even it just looks like the NGAD project that the US have not even accomplished.
You missed the point he said if its in close range it will win based on the fact that Aircraft can't turn very well. Everyone knows with current technology most countries use its allot harder to get Aircraft in close range like that now without allot of EW. He never pretended it could magically get into close range and that wasn't the discussion. There is a reason the F-16 is being phased out and is mostly gone now. The F-35 I bet can get in close range before it can see it and take it out with its gun. But that F-35 would have shot it down long before that F-35 ever showed up on that chinese made radar in that plane.
Gossip about your „enemy“ makes him stronger and only shows that you fear the truth. Its a near orbit fighter, Chinese also smart tech guys no matter xi is there or not. So lets take this serious.
This fighter jet has three engines, with two engines on each side and a ramjet engine in the middle. The intake of the ramjet engine is located at the back of the aircraft, and the ramjet engine can only work effectively at speeds between 30000 meters and 75000 meters and above 2 Mach. As the altitude increases, the air density decreases, and the control ability of the missile's aerodynamic control surface weakens, resulting in reduced maneuverability. At altitudes exceeding 21000 meters, the maneuverability of air-to-air missiles may decrease to the point where they can only attack relatively stationary targets such as high-altitude balloons. This is also why last year, the F22 used more than one Sidewinder missile to shoot a balloon at 18000 meters. How should the F22 attack a stealth fighter jet with an estimated Mach 3 speed of over 30000 meters? Even air-to-air missiles cannot do it, let alone machine guns. The video is obviously still in the last century, so it is necessary to do more research and know some basic information
@@fakecubed What you said is baseless and entirely based on your own imagination. China can build its own space station and GPS, and reach the far side of the moon and Mars, while the United States has forgotten how to return to the moon. I can only say that you have been brainwashed by Western media. Please continue to maintain this bias. Additionally, it can be said that China's ramjet engine has successfully test flown, and the ground test of the supersonic ramjet engine has broken the world record of 210 seconds set by the US X-51 test machine for 600 seconds. Western media will not report on these news about China's technological leadership. They will only report on the failure of Chinese private enterprise rocket launches to slander China's aerospace engineering
@@fakecubed The United States can't even produce the test flight photos of the NGAD. And you think they already know how to build sixth-generation fighters? Hahaha.
@@fakecubed This is true China has struggled greatly on making a modern Jet engine for Fighter jets. Even Russia struggles with it their engines are big and subpar compared to American engines.
The j20 is not equipped with machine guns， because they are defined as snipers, which can lock and destroy the enemy invisibly. They are designed to be missile launchers hiding behind drones, and this new aircraft is obviously a sniper that is less likely to be discovered, has more bullets and a longer range.
@@ClaudeShunmugam Just because the Indians said they detected a J20 on radar from an unknown range, doesn't mean it actually happened. The Indians can be lying or mistaken another aircraft for the J20. Let me ask you, how can Indian military be sure that the aircraft they saw on radar is the J20? Did they visually confirm that the target is a J20? If so, how close did the Indian Airforce fly to the J20 to visually confirm the J20? Was the J20 in Indian airspace so Indian fighters got really close? Or did the Chinese J20 fly into Indian airspace, and the Indian jets got close that way? Any photos, or videos?
This video sums up pretty well how americans (and in a degree, the military) sees the world - we americans we still star spangled awesome and on top of the world, if there's something we don't have, it doesn't exist, or just some gimmick - distorted reality. I mean it's understandable it used to be largely true and our old-timer here lived through that period. But c'mon, you seriously would dog fight this 'in a heartbeat'? How you dog fight a jet when your radar is completely blank lol And who told you this has got to be a manned aircraft? 😏
Also, the fact that you could see something from CN military in action at all, let alone footage being this widely available, it's not a 'test flight'. The aircraft has been tested extensively, probably in production and potentially not the most advanced already.
It's kinda funny, it's precisely the reason y'all lost your production capacity. Thinking those pesky Chinese can only make cheap stuff, until they don't and take over. 🤣 China can produce 258x times more ships than the US, let that sink in 🤣
also notice on the fighter it says "36011" which based on the J-20's prototype stage means this is likely a later near production variant and that other prototypes have flown before it, likely years before, supported by satellite images fron 2019. yet people wull still call it a copy
There are at least 3 production-ready 6th gen fighters flying right now while the Pentagon decides which of these they want to purchase. These were already undergoing trials over 4 years ago, and the initial prototypes were flying at least 11 years ago. The US will have operational units of 6th gen fighters before China even has their first prototype flying. What we're seeing here are technology demonstrators. It's not even the final engines.
USA has flown prototypes of 6th gen Aircraft for a good 3 years now. Don't think you have any clue what your talking about. If anything this is China trying to bring an answer to that.
@@michaelmichaelagnew8503 well you certainly dont know what your talking about yourself! yet youre so confident too. read my comment, it explains how it id likely china has veen flying 6th gen since at least 2019, or 5 years now.
I had a few beers with engineering students in Xi'an. They were transport-oriented and were interested in the BRI projects, but when I told them that I had worked with Boeing, they got talkative about stealth. They were excited about quantum censors; from what I could see, they would defeat all stealth systems if they worked as intended. My problem comes down to the failure of the American programs in recent years. The F-35s can't fly in battle conditions 70% of the time but cost $100 million. The tech packages don't work very well, and the maintenance resources bleed money that could be spent on more effective systems. The American bombers suck. Some of the kids were claiming that the Chinese Navy should be capable of locating Ohio class subs without much difficulty and were coming up with ping strategies that would allow AI swarms to hunt and kill without using any men. We live in a new era, boys and girls.
There's a chance some of them work/intern at the Xi'an division of AVIC, which specialize of larger airframes (Transports, AWACS). If I were you, I'd actually take notes of what they have to say. Chinese state media tends to be opaque and secretive, but if you get to know people there on a personal basis, they're more likely to spill the beans more often than your average LockMart/Boeing engineer. Based on my personal experience.
You're obviously not an American, and "quantum sensors" is a CCP propaganda piece in PRC state media. Everyone outside of China just laughs and laughs at how gullible you are to believe that.
@ AVIC knows my position on most issues. It paid for my contract for two years while I worked at XAC. It was a blast but the most frustrating time for me as I figured that I was totally unnecessary hire. The function I was hired to do was already being done by people who were qualified, hard working, and dedicated. Boeing did not have a clue. The problem for both Boeing and AVIC was the build philosophy. They assumed that the engineering was sufficient to build a good product. It isn’t because when you build in batches you can never get everything. The system that I came from built the structure to the tooling. And that was controlled by the masters. That system clearly understood the critical points and used the drawings for reference purposes. I did not like what they tried to do but as long as they were willing to put up with higher prices and the product was fine, they were free to pursue that approach. On a personal basis, I loved China. The two years without having to worry about living expenses helped me to retire after only fifteen years of working full time and the time there allowed me to figure out which procedures had to be gutted and what needed to be added. I left with a wonderful wife and a much better life. I still keep in touch with many of the people. It is fascinating to see how spectacularly well some of the small kids I knew have done. When I go back I always have hope for the future. The kids will work hard to come up with solutions that will make our lives, and the world, much better.
Stolen from who? and what? Their 6-gen is flying and where is ours? using a 6-gen aircraft for dog fight? are you kidding me? don't pretend the grapes are sour just because you can't taste it!!! what don't you get a P-51 fighter pilot to do the talking...........
The thing is the more stealthy the planes are the closer they can get to each other without being identified which then means you're going to be within 20 miles when you find each other. At that distance you better be able to maneuver because your about to be engaged.
And then ANGER is the second stage. After a while, the Americans may be ANGRY with their government on why they let the Chinese stole their most advanced fighter design so easily.
If these guys were really US jet fighter pilots, they have training and skills beyond question. However they may be in elementary school compared to the technology they are looking at.
Maybe you don’t know what you’re talking about. Ever thought of that? They’re reacting to the video and going through a process of elimination for the aircraft’s capabilities in a simple way for the viewers to determine what the airframe is capable of. If you knew anything about modern air combat you’d know there’s 24/7 AWACS coverage and f16s could very well be put in a position to intercept in certain scenarios.
Even at 100 km, it's not above air defense. In 1985, the USA shot down a satellite with an F15. Look up Celestial Eagle. It's old tech, so it probably would have to be upgraded a touch to be viable again.
@@imjoekangwhat’s funny is most western people can’t tell the difference between Japanese, Chinese, Taiwanese, Vietnamese, and Filipinos. To them, all Asians are potential CCP so be careful what you say when you look the way you do.
@@imjoekang A Soviet Pilot of the MiG 25, Blenko I believe his name is or was, defected to the West in the 1970s or 80s in one. Analyses of the plane showed the metallurgy to be somewhat defective, the engines to be big, to blast the plane, and electronics to be inferior to the west. In addition, the MiG 25 was not suppose to function as a real dogfighter but rather a bomber interceptor. That is why it was designed to fly at high altitudes. There is a book out, probably out of print now, that was written and ghost written by the Pilot who defected. Check it out.
Find a Chinese vloger to explain this jet: Based on the current information from all sides, I personally think that the sixth-generation aircraft that meets our requirements should have the following characteristics: First, large tonnage. The size of the sixth-generation aircraft will exceed that of all fifth-generation aircraft. If the J-20 is a heavy fighter, then the sixth-generation aircraft is an ultra-heavy fighter. Its size will not only exceed that of the J-20, but also that of the US NGAD. A larger size means a larger tonnage, and a larger tonnage means a longer range, so it is normal for the combat radius to exceed the 1,000 nautical miles of NGAD. In addition, due to its large size, the ammunition bay can be built very large, and it is entirely possible to load ultra-long-range large air-to-air missiles, or even hypersonic anti-ship missiles. So the range of the sixth-generation aircraft far exceeds that of traditional fighters, six words: fly far, hit far. This is an ultra-long-range heavy artillery sniper, which is a nightmare for any fighter and aircraft carrier. Because its hands are longer than yours. How can the power be guaranteed with such a large tonnage? It's easy. Conventional fighters have two engines, and our sixth-generation aircraft can directly use three engines. With three top-level high-thrust engines working together, it is no problem for the total power to exceed that of the latest US B-21 bomber. Second, high altitude, high speed and extreme stealth. The surging three-engine power plus the extreme drag reduction layout that cuts off all tail wings and canards make the flight speed and altitude of the sixth-generation aircraft significantly surpass the fifth-generation aircraft. The difference in appearance between the sixth-generation aircraft (left) and the fifth-generation aircraft (right): For reference, the maximum speed of my country's fifth-generation aircraft J-20 is 2.5 Mach, and the maximum flight altitude is 20,000 meters. This is a typical fifth-generation aircraft "double two standard", that is, "2 Mach + 20,000 meters". The sixth-generation aircraft is naturally a step up. With the blessing of ultra-high speed and extreme stealth, the opponent can hardly respond to the attack of the sixth-generation aircraft. Even if the opponent successfully launches an air-to-air missile at the sixth-generation aircraft, the sixth-generation aircraft can easily get rid of it through the ultra-high flight altitude (the missile climbing altitude is very energy-consuming). In front of the fifth-generation aircraft, the sixth-generation aircraft is a condescending existence, and compared with itself, it is "higher, faster, larger, farther and more stealthy". It is worth mentioning that the air above 20,000 meters is very thin, and the control effect of the traditional aircraft wing surface here will be very poor. This is why the sixth-generation aircraft will abandon the tail and rely entirely on the change of the engine jet direction to turn. In a sense, it is like a spaceship flying in space. However, this flight mode is not suitable for traditional "dogfighting" (that is, close-range air combat, which requires maneuverability at low altitude and low speed). Although the sixth-generation aircraft will basically not fall into this situation, it is better to be safe than sorry. What if it encounters it? Third, a new combat mode. As mentioned above, the sixth-generation aircraft introduced the concept of "loyal wingman". The sixth-generation aircraft in actual combat is more like an air command fortress, with a group of stealth drones as "followers" around at any time. Schematic diagram of loyal wingman using J-20 as an example: The main job of these "little brothers" is to act as "bodyguards" to deal with close-range "dogfights" that may occur at any time. Because drones do not need to consider the pilot's tolerance, their maneuverability is stronger than mainstream fighters, and they are perfect for "dogfights". With them, the sixth-generation aircraft can perform sniper missions with peace of mind. From the perspective of the fifth-generation aircraft, the battlefield situation is like this: It is almost impossible to find the traces of the sixth-generation aircraft through radar; Even if it is found, it will be blocked by the loyal wingman of the sixth-generation aircraft on the periphery; Even if it breaks through the defense line of the loyal wingman, it cannot catch up with the super-fast sixth-generation aircraft. In this process, the fifth-generation aircraft has died several times. "Unable to detect, unable to intercept, unable to pursue". In fact, let alone the fifth-generation aircraft, even the early warning aircraft finds it difficult to detect this killer with extreme stealth performance and super-high flight speed. The early warning aircraft itself is also very likely to be taken away by the sixth-generation aircraft with an ultra-long-range missile hundreds of kilometers away. If the early warning aircraft goes blind, the entire aircraft carrier formation will also go blind. Don’t forget at this time that the super-large ammunition bay of the sixth-generation aircraft can be loaded with hypersonic anti-ship missiles... On December 26, Beijing time, the Pentagon was destined to have a sleepless night. What is even more shocking is that we have made two products of the same grade at once. The other one is slightly smaller in size, roughly equivalent to the J-20, equipped with twin engines, probably for future shipboard preparations. Its sixth-generation aircraft features are also very obvious: no tail, extreme stealth, and ultra-high speed. In front of the carrier-based sixth-generation aircraft, the US carrier-based fifth-generation aircraft F-35C is a lamb to be slaughtered. With the simultaneous efforts of my country’s north and south, the US Navy and Air Force will both face dimensionality reduction attacks. People around the world can now be thankful: Technology has finally returned to the hands of civilization.
@@thedragonlee76 ukraine and russia do not have jets with modern sensors and limited amounts of modern air to air missiles. so yes they dogfight with their pre 90s equipment
Sure. That’s what the armchair experts think. In the reality of war, sh*t happens. Fighters might trade long distance shots and both defeat them in turn and end up getting closer and closer until they’re out of missiles and staring directly at each other. What do they do then? Hurl curse words at each other? No. They switch to guns. The idea that air combat will only be beyond visual range was assumed previously and has turned out to be wrong time after time.
@@michaeltualatinsuper high altitude near orbit plane, 2 plane engines, one rocket engine, huge deployment platform, either ICBM, drone swarm and other more traditional missiles and smart bombs
It's a dedicated air superiority fighter as commented by the J-20 designer. There's thrust vectoring. But it's meant to be very long range since it's bays are big enough for PL-17's and probably the ramjet PL-21/XX.
Yes, the US, as global hegemon and technology leader, sets the standard. All you China bots aren't even claiming this is capable of the things the US requires for its own 6th gen fighters, which have been flying since before 2020.
This is like discussing the newest iphone with my grampa and he compares it to his table phone the whole time 😂
😂😂😂
Dude, can’t put it in a better way 😂
except the table phone makes calls and the iPhone just has a screen and doesn’t work
and both made in China
@@fhhIns 😅🤣😂👍👍👍
When people face something they don't want to accept, they often go through five stages:
1. Denial: Refusing to acknowledge the reality of the situation, not wanting to believe it has happened.
2. Anger: Feeling angry and perceiving the situation as unfair.
3. Bargaining: Trying to negotiate or make changes to avoid or reverse what has happened.
4. Depression: Experiencing deep sadness, disappointment, or helplessness.
5. Acceptance: Gradually accepting reality and beginning to find ways to move forward.
The empire is in-between 1 and 2!
Americans boast of their NGAD but the matter of fact is, it only exists on paper 😂
In Their eyes it’s just a 39 year old flying washing machine 😂😂
Well said because that’s what I am been hearing
@@LordEmperorHyperionfacts 😂
There are usually 5 stages of Pain: Denial, Anger, Suffering, Depression and Acceptance.
it's a loooong denial Americans are in.
It's not denial, it's knowing hype and what's real. China has a scary ground based missile program. They have a large and capable navy. Their loitering drone capability is probably crazy scary. Their electronic warfare and cyber are top of the line. All huge threats As far as there fighters and bombers, they have to use Russian made jets still, which are WAY behind in power, reliability, size, and fuel economy when compared to American and European jets. This thing they're calling 6th Gen is a parody at best. They can't even get their own AF to use the J20 or J35. They still want the J16 and countries that have gotten Chinese fighters are furious at their quality and reliability. When did China make this leap to creating quality? Again, China hasn't even mastered making better jets that 4th Gen Russian ones, despite having them. It's laughable to think they skipped designing everything up through 4th and leap frogged to make the first 6th.
@@ClericChris "It's not denial, " Sure it is not. DENIAL is the first stage in dealing with PAIN. I see the Americans are well onto this first stage. Congrats. But this could be a loooong stage to journey.
@@michaelngan99 hahaha
@@ClericChris "This thing they're calling 6th Gen is a parody at best. They can't even get their own AF to use the J20 or J35." This is the best not DENIAL, DENIAL yet. Keep dream on. Don't wake up to reality. It might be a lot more painful than you think.
He forgot to say the jet fuel for the three engines is made from sanctioned garlic.
If allicin works, we'll do it. Thank you very much for your offer.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
I don't recall them even mentioning the 3rd engine...🤔
我们研发这个飞机的目的不是为了攻击任何国家，它只有一个目的，让美国更加爱好和平。
yeah a wikiup with 3 engine😂
don't worry mate, you still have Tom Cruise and his F-14
this movie was like 20-25 years ago, do they still have these jets around ?
If you can beat them in the movie...you can in reality 😂
40 years ago, son. 1985.@@albertcadgame8314
@@albertcadgame8314 The F14 made its first flight in 1970, 54 years ago. The U.S. military no longer uses these. Some were sold to Iran in the 70's which are still in use today.
@@albertcadgame8314 Ironically Iran still has those around.
Americans when Russia shows superior dogfight maneuvers:
"Eh, that doesn't matter, he'd never get to dogfight us"
Americans when China shows a huge stealth platform that can fire tons of long range missiles:
"This thing can't dogfight against an F-16"
Btw, it sure looks like this plane is capable of a lot more than the mach 2 since it doesn't have a divertless supersonic intake like every latest sub-mach 2 jet (including the F-35)
ALSO!
China has also shown ANOTHER 6th gen jet that looks smaller and much more maneuverable!
第一架六代机他俩会跟你谈“狗斗”，第二架六代机话题就是“产能过剩”了。
@dadahuang wtf?
Even Google doesn't translate this
@@creativeearthian1702 He is agreeing with you. Here's the translation:
On the first 6th gen fighter these two are talking about "dogfights", when they see the second one they will start talking about "overcapacity"🤣
@@lijiang5600 hahaha. Nice one. Thanks
I bet he meant China stole from Tony Stark. The fact is: China's 6-gen fighers are in the sky. America's 6-gen fighters are in the PPT.
您嘴巴里的6代机算哪门子6代机😂😂
It is just a modified J10, 4.5 gen.
Do you really believe that the USA, a proven superpower since World War II, wouldn’t already have something comparable to, if not more advanced than, the so-called 6th-generation mock-up unveiled by China? Considering how many state-of-the-art warplanes the U.S. has produced since World War II, do you truly think they are losing their technological edge?
@@ppccchen6194 keep coping.
@@achaindia Do you really believe that the USA, a proven superpower since World War II, wouldn’t already have something comparable to, if not more advanced than, the so-called 6th-generation mock-up unveiled by China? Considering how many state-of-the-art warplanes the U.S. has produced since World War II, do you truly think they are losing their technological edge?
Don't underestimate your enemy, especially one who has gone to the backside of the moon and Mars. This is a near space fighter bomber with long or extra long range missiles, probably with drones swarming in front of it or J-20s around it. No F16 can get near to it. It is suicidal. Its targets are AWAC, tankers, and its hypersonic missiles will sink aircraft carriers. Talking about dog fight with this 6th generation aircraft is old school and silly.
These experts have no conception of future warfare and capabilities of modern peer adversaries. Russians fight with shovels and Chinese fighters are really tofu trucks.
现代空战再也不会出现狗斗了，都是超视距空战，先敌发现，先敌击毁
参考F22打气球的难度，那么只要飞的足够高，足够快，那么战斗机的威胁为0。
And the only one that can build a complete space station all on their own feet.
爭論6代機沒有機炮和狗鬥能力，如同爭論航空母艦沒有巨炮一樣可笑
These two are looking into the future from their rear view mirror with nostalgia for dog fights. Happy new year.
when those chinese planes are flying faster than bullets.... not sure how does dogfight work in this situation
They are a father and son who are cavemen. They can't understand why modern people use machines to mine coal instead of pickaxes.
@@fatdoi003 also if a American f22 were to face the so called 6th gen Chinese aircraft if it even has the same level of stealth which from top photos looks like it has a few parts that would have a radar return. they would not see each other unless the lower munitions bays are open they would be invisible on head to head radar it would come down to visual sight and if they did dog fight the f22 has a smaller profile and literally can turn on a dime compared to something with a larger air surface like the Chinese aircraft.
@@Wolvesmoto think chinese plane will operate 30000+ft above F22... the look down situation from above will have bigger advantages
This is the biggest misconception IMO. In a real war, dogfights would still happen. This idea that you can just lob missiles and expect to hit, warplanes are too good at avoiding missiles for that IMO, and warplanes also are very limited on how many missiles they can carry.
Everyone has a right to say anything to make himself feel better
Look who's talking.
Glory to Xi God
@nmslnesses thanks for proving my hypothesis
Please don’t tell them that there is another one too 😂😂
Fr 😂
This guy is a true definition of " create your own happiness " when he said this tech is about 15 to 20 years behind 🤣
I mean it is, is everyone in these comments Chinese bots 🤣
Exactly.. they still have this superiority complexity
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@jamesmorseman3180 pretty much
Wait when China! A day is coming China will create an aircraft carrier that can fly😂
China: 6 gen fighter
US: but in Hollywood we perform better!
Americans when seeing Russian aircraft "You don't need to maneuver in modern air to air combat it is all BVR, that 3D thrust vectoring is only good for airshows...."
Americans when seeing Chinese aircraft "But if you get in close you can out maneuver it"
It can nail the old f16 from 100 + km away 😂😂
@@raidenj1295 It better be stealth enough
@@raidenj1295 hopefully it has better stealth then the j20 indian su's were getting target locks on j20s during a border 'disagreement'
@@position5761When the J20s have Luneburg lens attached
@@position5761That was the Indian radar detected the J-20 with a Luneburg lens attached 😂
A hypersonic stealth fighter jet delivering hypersonic missile across a large distance
Why would they want to do a dog fight?
It's probably not hypersonic. Hypersonic speeds create an plasma around the airplane that makes it easy to spot, so hypersonic and stealth don't work together. Stealth materials would also be destroyed by the heat and plasma. Stelth fighers/bombers are slower than older tech because of the sensitive stealth materials.
Grandpa only understands "doggy style" 🤣🤣🤣
Don't get frightened Sam, it's just a piece of scrap blown in the air. Have a nice sleep from now on.
@@汤圆-y7fgrandpa knows more than you
@@汤圆-y7f Says the country with no real air combat experience. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
US: WTF? You did it?
China: WTF? Didn't you?
US: I make the slides.
China: I make the slides come true.
Why don't we just focus on garlic?
That's why US next generation weapon is called NGAD---No, Garlic Are Deadlier.
What is the lore behind this "garlic" thing? I see it mentioned all the time in these types of videos.
@@alexwu8 What is the lore behind this "garlic" thing? I see it mentioned all the time in these types of videos.
@@alexwu8 lol🤣🤣🤣you are genius
我们研发这个飞机的目的不是为了攻击任何国家，它只有一个目的，让美国更加爱好和平。
Chinese are relieved when they know us experts are of such a level. hahaha
yes
They are not experts
我们研发这个飞机的目的不是为了攻击任何国家，它只有一个目的，让美国更加爱好和平。
Thousands of Chinese engineers have less value than a baked commentator who knows about the aircraft by just observing the flight!
The new Chinese jet is a paper tiger!
笑死人了！什麼年代了還Dog Fight? 你連尾燈都看不見就被打下來了，還Dog Fight?😂😂😂
Era of dogfight is over
LOL! I am not American, in fact, I don't really like America, at all! BUT, this plane might sneak up and take out one or two smaller fighter jets. But what happens when the others turn on this big, chonky plane? It can't maneuver, it's just going to become millions of yen worth of metallic confetti real quick! To be honest, this video, and the close ups look super fake, I'm just seeing fake propaganda to be honest.
it surprised me that two experienced USAF pilots didn’t even know the pitot tube is a nonpermanent attachment for prototypes only
An operator is not a mechanic; a mechanic is not an engineer...
@jamesa.smith.7794 fairly common knowledge even among enthusiasts 🤣
@@tomwolf26that’s exactly it, an enthusiast, an amateur, a wanna be. If you were any good you would be in the service or the industry, no?
They r probably working for the US military psy-op
@@ryanseet8314 whether to amateurs or professional pilots the "temporary pitot tube on prototype" is a well known FACT, the irony here is these 2 pilots don't seem to know it 😂
These two American old guys have special talent to satisfy themselves.
Yeah. Better not shake hands with these two. Know what I mean? 😂😂😂
Like most Americans
@@eliomarlacerda6943😂 exactly
These two guys are the masters in the field of bation.
我们研发这个飞机的目的不是为了攻击任何国家，它只有一个目的，让美国更加爱好和平。
As a Chinese, I gave the old guy a thumbs-up without hesitation.
Both are ignorant patriots.
oh ya, totally believe u there lol
@@henrykum-nr7bw 。。。。。他只是在讽刺。。。内涵的意思是。。。请保持您这样的认知水平，并把这样的认知传播给每一个美国人🥱
Couldn't u see it's a sarcasm？@@jctai100
these guys...are...comforting.....to...those...that...feel...insecure..about...china's...new...planes
These two are so hilarious 😂
我们研发这个飞机的目的不是为了攻击任何国家，它只有一个目的，让美国更加爱好和平。
Dog n pony show, comedienes
To summarize, you can still use axes to beat this thing
我们研发这个飞机的目的不是为了攻击任何国家，它只有一个目的，让美国更加爱好和平。
By coming within 1 meter of a sniper, you can indeed beat him with an axe in a dogfight. Oh, but don't forget, you can't see him from beginning to end.
Man, you take the cake with the funniest wittiest reply. 😂
Yes, if you are close enough. 0.5 m.
Definitely if you get realllll close to it.
OLD AMERICANS still living in their bubble,and deep in miasma of "we know better than the rest"when China knows the BEST😂😂
You blind fool 😂😂
Well, the two engines look spaced out because there's another engine in the middle of those things.
i think it is 5.5 gen tactic stealthy bomber .
it's fake, those close up details are painted on
I love how, without any knowledge of the aircraft, it’s suggested that U.S. pilots could beat it with an F-16 in close. Pure hubris.
隱型的看不到的
Standard physics based concepts. If it can't turn, you have an advantage if you can.
@@DaysOfFunder Physics comes into play where distance is concerned. If your plane can move faster than his missile you just might have an advantage.
F16 canbe beaten by J10.😊😊😊
J8 VS F22
This old man definitely doesn't know where China is located .
What was the last fighter he flew the F-16?
Oh sure, China's technology is so backward that US must put a 100% tariff on Chinese EVs just to protect the great American cars 🤣🤣🤣
No. Garlic is the real thing that US worries about. The first threaten . they are vampire
还有大蒜！
Made in China is not as good as Made in Russia...lol
@@GlobalRage I cannot comment on this as I do not have any experience in Russian products yet.
That's what desperate people do since they can't let others know their real thoughts and weaknesses. They hide behind fake masks and say the opposite of true reality.
The two guys are completely layman about this plane. They don't even know this plane has a third engine on the back.
yeah that's what they report. and you can see third intake on top. but these are no layman! they know a lot just by looking at tghe photos!
@@JonnyWaldes There was an image leaked from when it was still on the ground and you can see it has a thirth exhaust, we don't know if it's from an engine but it likely is.
And your an expert lol put ya phone away, these guys are and were pilots thier words hold more weight than your phone.
@yuning8045 if it has a third Engine you have no room for Weapons! 🤣
@@charlesboyd2905it has third engine and 6-7 meter long weapon bay because it is huge.
Feels like a 1969 Shelby Mustang driver talking about a Tesla Cybertruck.
Wake up dude, it's 2024 and not 1980.
Grandpa went all in , he pulled ''15yrs behind in technology'' without blinking. They deserve an Oscar of best actor and second role of the year 🤣🤣🤣
They said the same thing in 1954. Guns eventually got put back onto fighters and Top Gun was created to show pilots how to use them.
American military force will slape their faces to misleading comments
@@alexgavieres8293 that just means us fighters will be likely sefeated by flankers anyway
Don't disturb you enemies when they are making mistakes - famous quote
Dog fight? It’s like saying I can beat you in a knife fight if I can see you and get within 3 feet of you. But you carry gun and is invisible to me.
Yep these guys watched too much Top Gun, thinking a F16 will get close to a F22 or F35
This debate has been going on since the 50s.
F4 was built without a gun because it would never get close enough to need one.
How'd that work out....
@onlycheeseislife Exactly what I was saying! Kids these days are just gonna repeat the same mistakes already made. LOL!
Laziness depending on missiles is what led to the creation of Top Gun in the first place!
@@alexgavieres8293 F22 has an internal cannon and can out dog any other aircraft.
Because it might just need it one day, in circumstances no one can predict.
@onlycheeseislifee uma briga briga de cães sempre aposte nós sukois eles tem mais de 60 anos de experiência em alta manobrabilidade,e furtividade aposte na lok Martin
Garlic is more dangerous than this 6 generations fighter !😂😂
Its an old Saab, the planiform barely works in rc flight.
This gentleman is truly patriotic. Chinas tech is 15years behind the US? Truly patriotic lol
He said his horse run faster than a ford
@alispeed5095 Can't you tell he's on our side, whether he knows it or not? Just play along please.
If you genuinely think China has anything close to sixth gen then you're being maliciously misinformative.
that's not patriotism but delusional
Give the old man some slack , what choice does he have ? He either lies to himself to survive or accepts the fact that Murica is 15yrs behind Communisme .... the latter would be fatal to him 🤣🤣🤣
Every time the Chinese Innovate .. The Americans says it's stolen technology.
Including the EV technology.... The Chinese must have stolen from the Americans 15 - 20 years ago 😂
Even aliens stole their tech from US.😉
The last time China innovated without stealing tech they invented gunpowder.
battery, solar, high speed rail, tunnels, bridges.....
Innovate?
I don't understand why people on internet are interested on its Dog fight characteristics ?. Its not a tactical weapon, its a strategic weapon. It's a game changing war weapon that will give significant advantage and depth to Chinese forces. Its meant for super high altitude, super stealth, hypersonic or high supersonic speed, long range and very long range weapons capability. It will come quickly without detection, release its weapons hundreds of miles away and will disappear. Just imagine, the kind of base energy its BVR missiles will have giving those missiles a significant advantage. Its not going to come down and close to F-16 for a dog fight. Its actually kind of a smaller B-21 with high supersonic speeds that can be used for both air to air and air to ground or sea missions.
come on, it is so obvious. If you talk other's story you are the loser, but if you only talk your own story you are the eternal winner. It is nothing about reality but a good story for those who want to feel like an eternal winner.
If it’s a fighter, it has to be able to defeat other fighter jets. This one does not seem capable of doing so.
So, it's just a slightly faster B52 bomber? I mean, it's so big! It's going to get detected by radar pretty fast I'd expect. It might manage sneak up on one target, which would have to be a strategic land based site though, surely? Why put so much effort into sneaking up on and taking out one fighter plane, before it gets blown to bits by the other fighter jets up there.
@candydandy2694 I don't understand how you could compare these with B52 which is very slow sub sonic aircraft. B52 cannot protect itself and is not even stealth. These 6th gen fighters are extremely fast (more speed than F35s) Plus these 6th gen are super stealth. These can attack strategic locations at long distances without being detected and very quickly. They will destroy any air patrol (F35s, F16s) with long range air to air missiles. Age of dog fight is over. Today all air combat happens at long range when pilots don't even see each other. Also size does not mean that it will appear in Radar. US B2 and B21 bomber are three times bigger than these 6th gen fighters but US claims they are invisible on radar. Same applies to these faster and meaner beasts of China.
Lockheed executives had a boardroom meeting today…
Chairman to the board executives:
“Guys, the Chinese just gave us the best Christmas gift.” “Pentagon will call us soon.”
我怀疑洛马的高管贿赂了他们的中国同行，换取这份圣诞礼物
Ha... ha.. ha.. ha..❗❗❗
😂😂😂😂
That's the point. waste money :D
If you guys think the technology in that plane is 20 years behind the US, you are living in a bubble and an echo chamber. You should never underestimate your adversary. We who are neither Chinese nor American, see just how advanced China is and is no longer behind the US. However, some in the US like you think of China the way it was 40 years ago. You are mistaken.
Lmao that’s because it is we don’t go around boasting the newest stuff we keep it for when people catch up learn about darpa
@@Keenemovie I very much prefer if y'all keep the belittling sentiments about other countries. Hubris and arrogance is what y'all do best. 😁
I hope that all Americans, including the military, see it this way. Very good.
Yes, they will have no hope at all.
lol *Ohio class chilling off a coast near you- crew laughing loudly*
@@brendanryan3354 th-cam.com/video/Ubks62EK5FA/w-d-xo.html Since when is Alaska part of China?
In a way it's good, in another way it's bad
@@brendanryan3354 then launch your missilan. what are you waiting for. as you said you got me right？
Forget about this jet or that jet, I just like the fact that China keeps doing things they way they want it and surprised the Americans every now and then despite USA's best effort to belittle them and pull them down in every possible ways! 😂
We belittle them because they copy and steal everything. They are not innovative with military equipment.
They have tried to make their own intermediate caliber assault rifles for their troops and fail every time.
They know the AK is not a platform to build modern needs onto, and can’t just copy the M4 pattern with global humiliation for having to copy
Looking at the bright side, I hope the states keep their belittling sentiments, hubris and arrogance. Misinformed adversary are weak. These people totally forgot one major advantage china has but almost no one speaks about it. Production capacity in wartime.
I was arrogant until I visited China... The Dragon humbled me.
At least you woke up.
Go outside any large Chinese city and the highways turn to dirt roads almost instantly. The developed parts of China are extremely developed, but the rest of the country is still to catch up.
@@keirfarnum6811 Have you been to China? There 4th or 3rd tier cities are better than any so called US modern city. Clean, no homeless, low crime rate and fantastic public transportation.
He almost said, it has wings. Like our fighter jets. Chinese must have stolen our tech .
Well the US did invent the airplane.
@@fakecubed The US aircraft industry was surpassed by the Europeans within five years. In WW1 the Army Air Corps relied totally on foreign built aircraft.
@@fakecubed it sounded like when Chinese claims we invented gunpowder so you stolen all the gun tech. Are you people gonna be like this for the rest of this Asian centuries to come? Bc boy would a lot of peopl dunk on you lmao
The Chinese plane is going to be interlinked with multiple loyal wingmen drone controlled by AI each one of them with air to air and ground to air missiles. The plane and each drone is going to have some of the most advanced Electronic jamming capabilities able to fry enemy sensors and computers. Its going to fly above the atmosphere close space higher than any 5th generation plane can currently do today (That is why the 3d engine is for).
Good luck trying to get close enough to it to dogfight it. Good luck trying lock onto it and having your missiles be able to overcome its EW capabilities. I think the guys in this videos a exhibiting a lot of cooping.
They can't come to peace with the fact that the Chinese, the same people who are ahead in Solar panels, EVs, 5G, 5.5 G, Quantum Computers and AI in many areas might be ahead of the United States in aerospace technology.
Please. The Chinese can't build a paper plane without coping it.
@@anthonyberry8795
They couldn't build "Cars" either, but now their EVs are spanking everyone else.
(And just BTW, 40% of US military assets contain Chinese Semiconductors, so you had better hope those claims that "Huawei can sent info back to China" aren't true, just in case they can *Shut down* those devices with a flash signal from a satellite )
I guess we will see if U.S. and China go to war 😉
they will tell you that china stole it.
You seems very stressed@@anthonyberry8795
5:28 Calling this a "more like a 4ht-gen aircraft motor"--obviously he's just making judgement from a very low-quality picture, and he doesn't really know what he's talking about. There are more higher-resolution pictures of this China's new Stealth aircraft, which shows both the bottom and the top. And it has three air intake holes, including one on the top. I heard the prototype motors (some says up to three motors) is capable of reaching 3 mach.
This Christmas week alone, China revealed 2 different 6th gen jets, world's first and largest amphibious assault ship 'Sichuan'with electromagnetic catapult, also their MD-22 hypersonic drone took flight for the first time, and and n 5th gen KJ-3000 AEW&C aircraft, who know what's gonna show up in the next year. Meanwhile here in US, Trump Trump Musk ban Tiktok ban dji drone greenland panama canal Canada 51th state....😂😂😂😂😂
Russian and Chinese weapons systems are still outdated systems .
China revealed 2 Christmas trees.
Lots of revelation for such a secretive nation.
😂 these two old guys still believe 6th generation fighters need dog fight. Have you heard BVR?
They can't see the f-22 or fat Amy until they're within 20 miles . What happens then?
@@zachphil3203 good to know that you got an aesa and measured both Planes.
Bravo
我们研发这个飞机的目的不是为了攻击任何国家，它只有一个目的，让美国更加爱好和平。
No that old man is totally right
@@zachphil3203 well a major feature of 6th gen platforms is anti stealh, such as multi band radars, sensor fusion, and triangulation. what are the chances this plane, already having cheek mounted radars like the Su-57, also has anti-stealth as well?
you also fail to consider loyal wingmen and the SAC 6th gen design.
Love the dad nod at the end. Really enjoyed his comments on this one
The typical mentality at the final stage of any failing empire.
Yes that China and Russia still can't make a falcon 9 rocket
@@stanleydavidson6543 who need falcon 9 when our long march can made a space station
@@stanleydavidson6543哥们儿你笑死我了，你是我在这条视频下看了这么多评论以来第一个试图挽回形象的，但是快用猎鹰把天上那两货接回来啊。
@@stanleydavidson6543 what is there in space that you need a super heavy booster when you dont even know the next country that boarders you from the north....
@@stanleydavidson6543 你们的宇航员还在太空站里面过圣诞呢，我猜他们肯定是喜欢高额的太空补贴而不想回来吧。
This looks more like a near orbit bomber designed to deploy their hypersonic missile. Two engines for atmospheric flight and one for near orbit.
That is exactly it.
They spent si long comparing it with f16😂. They should be comparing it with the b2
@@tonyatgoogle6076 nah this has more range then B2
U got it about its near orbit flight design. F22 can do nothing about this new aircraft.
@@danieltam3923 F22 or F35 can't even do nothing against J20 where they have already had a few encountered where J20 have them locked and F22/F35 still can't see the J20
只简单说几点我的观察：
1。中国从歼35A时点开始觉得比较大的涵道比会挤占机内空间，尤其对于隐形飞机来说，由于引擎直径大就会造成隐形机更厚是不利的。所以那时就有些开始倾向于中小涵道比引擎了。
2。感觉目前中国引擎进展比较顺利，6代机正在用5代机引擎测试，6代新引擎正在用无人机测试（你们也从视频上都看到了），所以不久6代引擎一结束测试就可以装在新6代机上了。
3。鸣镝是7代机，只4吨就能飞8000公里，把它放大一点装2台引擎飞个1万多，2万公里很轻松正常，既然这个7代机都给大家公布了，所以这时公开了更多“相对落后”的6代机进展也就很平常了。
This old guy is full of BS, acting like he's stuck in a different era. Especially with that claim about having tech from 20 years ago, while Chinese scientists are out here dominating research awards these days.
😂
Dominating? You mean stealing?
@@chris5947 steal ...from who , what jet it suppose to be from?
Na, the Chinese are a good twenty or more behind the US in stealth. That's a fact
@@chris5947 in the past? Sure. but Russia and USA stole technology back and forth during the cold war - all the time. that's what adversaries do. Think the USA never stole technology?
secondly, the Chinese military academies are 3x larger than the American; they produce 8x the amount of STEM students per year and 2x the STEM PHD's, and their universities, infrastructure, etc, are far from being a joke anymore.
2:18 stealing something you don't have?? lol
😂 they are getting desperate clawing for excuses to help themselves sleep better.
Are you guys really upset the US is laughing at the "6th" gen fighter?
If anyone is coping it's the people crying about these ex pilots roasting this Christmas tree.
Yeah pictures or nothing, the Ngad doesn't exist
Let me tell you something based on my experience of living in the United States for more than a decade. When they are furious, they will really find excuses that even elementary school students wouldn't use to make it look like they still won.
@@sergjim2377Your the one coping lmao.
The problem is that 2 pilots pretend to be engineers.
c'mom guys. This is a small very fast bomber. If you are dreaming about dogfighting it in a f-16 you are lost.
Yeah they are not designed to dog fight. They don't even have machine guns
Well China is calling it a "Fighter"
Well if anything its capabilities will most likely be comparable to the Su-34
@@mgoo1713 Chinese fellows, not China.
@@mgoo1713 We did the same thing we did with the F-117, that didn't make it true.
Dogfight?? Dude, this is not 1980… the 5th gen and future generations don’t do dogfight anymore 😂
Same was said in Vietnam. With the introduction of the aim 7 and and aim 9. Thing is with stealth vs stealth your basically forcing close encounters if they cant see each other till they are close range. Now stealth vs non stealth ya most likely wo t end up in a bfm fight. But stealth vs stealth could end up very close range before they spot each other so could have a higher chance of close in engagement
There's been dogfighting in the Russia/Ukraine War recently.
@@thedragonlee76 because they don’t have legitimate 5th generation stealth fighters!
5th gen vs 5th gen. These aircraft could very well surprise each other during a cap.
@ well, they don’t have a chance to get close to each other
This is China 2nd gen fighter jets. Don’t worry Americans, especially 2 gentlemen in the video.
2:12 U know that computational power of an iPhone is more than anything you'd on F-22???
U guys tend to underestimate Chinese, the computational power of anything 25 years can't match anything we've available on our mass market products, for example DJI drones have smart AESA radars
So none of you don't even notice that there is a third engine on the back? wow, fighter pilots? really?
Don't get upset, princess. You should be proud you even have people talking about your copycat designs.
@@jacobkuntflappaww look at this Lil girl acting tough
@@jacobkuntflappCopying technology from aliens?
@走在马勒戈壁上 from the US and other European nations. For example you got Siemens trains over to build railway and then stolen patented tech and never got them to build again.
@@jacobkuntflapp If true, wouldn't a big co. like Siemens sue to protect its patent?
As a Chinese, I admit that this plane is just a model, it does not have superior performance, China is just a developing country, how can it make more advanced aircraft than the US, so please continue to ignore us, the US is number one
I never thought that i could hear irony through text but here we are
dogfight and head to head？old man lives in the past.
He still in TopGun era where US have no comparable adversaries to take down.
@@jakejake8051 he clearly acknowledges the BVR advantage of the craft several times but the word dogfighting immediately triggered some of you all and that’s all you heard
Why did US return to having machine guns on our craft after removing them for the same reasons you give here? Lmfao dogfighting isn't dead. Just less common. There are dozens of situations where the battle wouldn't even take place until within visual ranges.
That's what the Americans said in the 60s. Feel free to not learn from their mistakes.
Aaaahhhh yes. The armchair experts are out in force. I’m sure you all have extensive experience with flying and fighting in airplanes. Something people who actually fly these things learn is that no matter how advanced the technology, there will always be instances where close combat occurs. Whether it’s because something happened to allow either or both parties to meet unexpectedly or because combat that started at long range came closer and closer because both parties defeated and avoided each other’s missile shots, it’s inevitable that WVR combat will occur at some point. The experts said all the same things before Vietnam but it ended up not being true. War is messy and chaotic; there will always be situations where things don’t go to plan.
This plane, regardless of generation, shows a very, very impressive step in electronic control loops. Controlling such a ship without traditional control surfaces is not easy as the computers are required to keep it in the air. That said the Chinese are on the cusp of that technology as they are confident enough to fly this thing in populated areas as can be seen by the buildings in the footage. If I´m the Pentagon I´m worried, very worried. China is not interested in offensive capabilities focusing on defensive equipment for their homeland. They are not expected to go to the merge, this plane is designed to slip into range undetected and fire off long range carrier killer missiles. The age of the carrier is over guys and with it US hegemony. Good riddance.
Bro, have you seen the b2 bombers? I can tell you that this type of design has been around for 20-30 years in America, maybe more.
@@alphateam3326 Longer. The B2 started development during the Carter administration (late 1970s). The YB-49 was designed just after WW2. So yea...
@@alphateam3326 The B2 is easier to control and see on radar. This new design from China is meant to end US meddling in the South China Sea and it will do just that.
@@socmonkiBut b2 is not a fighter.
@@_surpass fighter or not, the wing design has been an idea for a long time. And while it has its purpose for some things, a fighter design it is not, as was shown with the f16xl test plane. It can carry more, fly higher, etc but it sucks at turning or doing anything a fighter is supposed to do. This new plane? Not a fighter. High altitude missile boat? Sure. Not a fighter.
Technically you can destroy it with u key if you get close enough😂
It has three engines. I think this is pretty important. It means a higher ascent altitude for fighter jets. If this aircraft mainly conducts combat missions in airspace above 20 kilometers, coupled with its own stealth capabilities, it is not easy for the current anti-missile systems and fighter jets to reach it.
Reportedly its because 2 are traditional modernized efficient turbofans but the middle is some kind if hybrid scram jet thingy.
Supposedly.
And tons of fuel.
It has three engines because the Chinese still can't build an engine that isn't a slightly modified old Soviet design.
It seems those old pilots also believe that the Russian Oreshnik missile uses program chips from washing machines for navigation.
By his logic we should be using biplanes. They can out turn anything in the modern USAF and keep their guns on in a rate fight.
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. A plane that flies is worth ten in powerpoint or artist rendering.
I think it’s designed to penetrate the aircraft carrier defense with stealth and deal some serious threats to the carriers.
Me think the same.
And Launch hypersonic anti ship missiles within 3000kms from China coastline
一个高超速导弹就可以摧毁航母 发明6代机只是为了自保懂了么😂 中国爱和平❤
Definitely an area denial weapon.
@@tengleiliuyes puppet, must speak the party line or go the way of the Uyghur
1st of all, thank you both for your service. This is a fighter-bomber for strategic strike, not an Air-superiority combat AC, more similar role to B-21 instead of F-22. BTW, J-20 doesn't have a gun too, it's a missile truck.
I love that you know so much just from a few vids. maybe we get you to watch the Zapruder film and give is a defined answer about the Kennedy shooters(?)
if you don't think this is a fighter, there is another 6th gen fighter at Shenyang, also show its video.
It's made for high altitude fighter drone command over the battlefield, one of the things it can drop is a swarm of electronic warfare mini drones that create fake/ghost radar signatures so the enemy is overwhelmed and becomes an easier target for the fighter drones and other long distance fighters. Basically is a drone bus giving the speed, altitude and operational range to deploy such weapons
@@丝鱿鱼the other one is the complementary fighter to protect this one and execute the order it gives, the prototype has a human cabin in case the AI drone fails, also can be for not a pilot but a weapon operator. China already announced months ago, they had a fighter AI that defeated their best pilots, probably in simulator, now the second fighter is gonna put that AI in the battlefield
@@germanher7528你理解错了，这次中国飞了两款六代机，视频里的这一款是成都飞机制造厂的。还有一款在沈阳试飞，由沈阳飞机制造厂设计。
TH-cam, had taught me how to spot ignorance people just by their look. And l also noticed they all bear a very close resemblance to each other, it's almost like they're from the same family.
This pilot seems never trained to fire modern missiles, so he is still fixiated on dogfight things.
That’s because modern missiles are not infallible. Thinking that air combat will only be Beyond Visual Range is what the armchair experts think. In the reality of war, sh*t happens. Fighters might trade long distance shots and both defeat them in turn and end up getting closer and closer until they’re out of missiles and staring directly at each other. What do they do then? Hurl curse words at each other? No. They switch to guns.
The idea that air combat will only be beyond visual range was assumed previously and has turned out to be wrong time after time. There will always be situations in which WVR combat occurs. It might be less common than in the past, but it will always happen.
He is pretty old and F-16's were used for close range fighting and bombing runs back in his day. So it makes sense he thinks like that. The F-15 was the premeir air to air superiority fighter in his time and he didn't fly that. The F-15 is allot bigger and designed to carry long range missles not the F-16. This is what happens when you get old, you will be there too one day and you will sound like your stuck in the past just like this guy shoot we all will its our destiny to grow old, useless and die.
With respect but the old vet guy seems like he's stuck in the 60s or somethings. It's funny how he thinks F-16 can kick its ass when get in close range. Sure, like a zero or any WW2 propeller plane can out turn an F-15 IF get in cloes range in a dogfight, but can you really? the fight would be over long before you even get the chance to be close as superior weapon systems and superior missiles are dominant. Also I literally burst in to laughter when he thinks it's equivalant to US technology 10 to 20 years ago. Walk out of the cave man, have you ever seen what the chinese have done in all of the industries? EVs, DJI drones, smartphones, to name a few. Yeah, let's keep thinking their technology is always one generation behind even it just looks like the NGAD project that the US have not even accomplished.
You missed the point he said if its in close range it will win based on the fact that Aircraft can't turn very well. Everyone knows with current technology most countries use its allot harder to get Aircraft in close range like that now without allot of EW. He never pretended it could magically get into close range and that wasn't the discussion. There is a reason the F-16 is being phased out and is mostly gone now. The F-35 I bet can get in close range before it can see it and take it out with its gun. But that F-35 would have shot it down long before that F-35 ever showed up on that chinese made radar in that plane.
@@michaelmichaelagnew8503 USAF F-16 is undergoing a massive upgrade program of 608 F-16s.
The old man wouldnt know what hit him when J36 fires a missile within US's airspace.
Old man is armchair quaterbacking the hell out of it. Quarterback your own plane at least lol
Gossip about your „enemy“ makes him stronger and only shows that you fear the truth. Its a near orbit fighter, Chinese also smart tech guys no matter xi is there or not. So lets take this serious.
7:30 I thought u were pro but then u brought up pitot tube…do more homework buddy
Garrett
This fighter jet has three engines, with two engines on each side and a ramjet engine in the middle. The intake of the ramjet engine is located at the back of the aircraft, and the ramjet engine can only work effectively at speeds between 30000 meters and 75000 meters and above 2 Mach. As the altitude increases, the air density decreases, and the control ability of the missile's aerodynamic control surface weakens, resulting in reduced maneuverability. At altitudes exceeding 21000 meters, the maneuverability of air-to-air missiles may decrease to the point where they can only attack relatively stationary targets such as high-altitude balloons. This is also why last year, the F22 used more than one Sidewinder missile to shoot a balloon at 18000 meters. How should the F22 attack a stealth fighter jet with an estimated Mach 3 speed of over 30000 meters? Even air-to-air missiles cannot do it, let alone machine guns. The video is obviously still in the last century, so it is necessary to do more research and know some basic information
寫那麼多 ????? 有用嗎 ?????
去看看工程設計 為何 ramjet 最後都是獨立工作 ?
自己看看 ramjet 速度下 有多大空氣阻力 空氣動力設計是怎樣 你自己查不到嗎 ?
Sidewinder 才多少射程 ? 還拿來引用 說 "relatively stationary targets"
短距離空空飛彈 居然來驗證其他地空飛彈性能 ? 我的天啊 牆內中國人都這種水平 ??????
你們有 S-300 s-400 自己去看看 最大射高和射程 更不用說 目前各國的固體火箭發動機 可以打多高打多遠
China can't even design and build a normal jet engine, and you think they've figured out how to make a ramjet? LOL!
@@fakecubed What you said is baseless and entirely based on your own imagination. China can build its own space station and GPS, and reach the far side of the moon and Mars, while the United States has forgotten how to return to the moon. I can only say that you have been brainwashed by Western media. Please continue to maintain this bias. Additionally, it can be said that China's ramjet engine has successfully test flown, and the ground test of the supersonic ramjet engine has broken the world record of 210 seconds set by the US X-51 test machine for 600 seconds. Western media will not report on these news about China's technological leadership. They will only report on the failure of Chinese private enterprise rocket launches to slander China's aerospace engineering
@@fakecubed The United States can't even produce the test flight photos of the NGAD. And you think they already know how to build sixth-generation fighters? Hahaha.
@@fakecubed This is true China has struggled greatly on making a modern Jet engine for Fighter jets. Even Russia struggles with it their engines are big and subpar compared to American engines.
the arrogance...2:23
I call that brazen, if they wanted to say the chinese stole from them, at least prove that tech is something they already own
The j20 is not equipped with machine guns， because they are defined as snipers, which can lock and destroy the enemy invisibly. They are designed to be missile launchers hiding behind drones, and this new aircraft is obviously a sniper that is less likely to be discovered, has more bullets and a longer range.
J20 has been caught out by Indian Radar as not being very stealthy 😂, another paper tiger
Considering that U.S. recently mistaken f-18 and drones and shot down one of their own.
yeah the F22 has a gun. Maybe it should maybe it shouldn't! Pilots like options! And they all have the "dog fight" history to think about
@@ClaudeShunmugam Just because the Indians said they detected a J20 on radar from an unknown range, doesn't mean it actually happened. The Indians can be lying or mistaken another aircraft for the J20. Let me ask you, how can Indian military be sure that the aircraft they saw on radar is the J20? Did they visually confirm that the target is a J20? If so, how close did the Indian Airforce fly to the J20 to visually confirm the J20? Was the J20 in Indian airspace so Indian fighters got really close? Or did the Chinese J20 fly into Indian airspace, and the Indian jets got close that way? Any photos, or videos?
Paper tiger.
These guys are pilots, not engineers
That old guy is talking like he is still in ww2 era
Hey, show grandpa some RESPECT. It's more like Vietnam War era.😂
@@huatlam8752
This video sums up pretty well how americans (and in a degree, the military) sees the world - we americans we still star spangled awesome and on top of the world, if there's something we don't have, it doesn't exist, or just some gimmick - distorted reality. I mean it's understandable it used to be largely true and our old-timer here lived through that period.
But c'mon, you seriously would dog fight this 'in a heartbeat'? How you dog fight a jet when your radar is completely blank lol
And who told you this has got to be a manned aircraft? 😏
Also, the fact that you could see something from CN military in action at all, let alone footage being this widely available, it's not a 'test flight'. The aircraft has been tested extensively, probably in production and potentially not the most advanced already.
It's kinda funny, it's precisely the reason y'all lost your production capacity. Thinking those pesky Chinese can only make cheap stuff, until they don't and take over. 🤣
China can produce 258x times more ships than the US, let that sink in 🤣
@@Broodjemetbeleg exactly.
That's why the f-35 and f-22 are here they can relay targets to other air craft to get a lock on with f-15 xl
@@Broodjemetbelegyou bot most of the navy of China isnt even blue water navy units
Now don’t tell us it’s a USA copycat…USA 6 generations plane is still in their drawing board.
also notice on the fighter it says "36011" which based on the J-20's prototype stage means this is likely a later near production variant and that other prototypes have flown before it, likely years before, supported by satellite images fron 2019. yet people wull still call it a copy
There are at least 3 production-ready 6th gen fighters flying right now while the Pentagon decides which of these they want to purchase. These were already undergoing trials over 4 years ago, and the initial prototypes were flying at least 11 years ago. The US will have operational units of 6th gen fighters before China even has their first prototype flying. What we're seeing here are technology demonstrators. It's not even the final engines.
USA has flown prototypes of 6th gen Aircraft for a good 3 years now. Don't think you have any clue what your talking about. If anything this is China trying to bring an answer to that.
If can't beat F22 or F35, don't waste your time China. That is the reason nobody buys your planes
@@michaelmichaelagnew8503 well you certainly dont know what your talking about yourself! yet youre so confident too. read my comment, it explains how it id likely china has veen flying 6th gen since at least 2019, or 5 years now.
I had a few beers with engineering students in Xi'an. They were transport-oriented and were interested in the BRI projects, but when I told them that I had worked with Boeing, they got talkative about stealth. They were excited about quantum censors; from what I could see, they would defeat all stealth systems if they worked as intended.
My problem comes down to the failure of the American programs in recent years. The F-35s can't fly in battle conditions 70% of the time but cost $100 million. The tech packages don't work very well, and the maintenance resources bleed money that could be spent on more effective systems. The American bombers suck. Some of the kids were claiming that the Chinese Navy should be capable of locating Ohio class subs without much difficulty and were coming up with ping strategies that would allow AI swarms to hunt and kill without using any men.
We live in a new era, boys and girls.
Yea that’s a extreme stretch in the imagination 😂
There's a chance some of them work/intern at the Xi'an division of AVIC, which specialize of larger airframes (Transports, AWACS). If I were you, I'd actually take notes of what they have to say. Chinese state media tends to be opaque and secretive, but if you get to know people there on a personal basis, they're more likely to spill the beans more often than your average LockMart/Boeing engineer. Based on my personal experience.
You're obviously not an American, and "quantum sensors" is a CCP propaganda piece in PRC state media. Everyone outside of China just laughs and laughs at how gullible you are to believe that.
@ AVIC knows my position on most issues. It paid for my contract for two years while I worked at XAC. It was a blast but the most frustrating time for me as I figured that I was totally unnecessary hire. The function I was hired to do was already being done by people who were qualified, hard working, and dedicated. Boeing did not have a clue.
The problem for both Boeing and AVIC was the build philosophy. They assumed that the engineering was sufficient to build a good product. It isn’t because when you build in batches you can never get everything. The system that I came from built the structure to the tooling. And that was controlled by the masters. That system clearly understood the critical points and used the drawings for reference purposes.
I did not like what they tried to do but as long as they were willing to put up with higher prices and the product was fine, they were free to pursue that approach.
On a personal basis, I loved China. The two years without having to worry about living expenses helped me to retire after only fifteen years of working full time and the time there allowed me to figure out which procedures had to be gutted and what needed to be added.
I left with a wonderful wife and a much better life. I still keep in touch with many of the people. It is fascinating to see how spectacularly well some of the small kids I knew have done.
When I go back I always have hope for the future. The kids will work hard to come up with solutions that will make our lives, and the world, much better.
Bulldog is still waiting for a big physical fight while the snipper already has him aimed.
PL-17 400 km
PL-15 200 km
PL-12 100 km
PL-10 50 km
Choose ur dog fighter opponent🫵
dogfight ?
yes，they like dogfight with a sniper
Stolen from who? and what? Their 6-gen is flying and where is ours? using a 6-gen aircraft for dog fight? are you kidding me? don't pretend the grapes are sour just because you can't taste it!!! what don't you get a P-51 fighter pilot to do the talking...........
Highly doubt its 6th gen, and the US and its allies typically prefer to keep major developments more secret
Let's make sure it's actually real and a 6th Gen before we jump to conclusions. It is China that we're talking about.
We flew an NGAD back in 2020 do some research.. We don't parade our tech demonstrators to the world for clout.
The thing is the more stealthy the planes are the closer they can get to each other without being identified which then means you're going to be within 20 miles when you find each other. At that distance you better be able to maneuver because your about to be engaged.
@@SAMMIEJONESJUNIOR
B21:???为什么我还没首飞就在媒体面前展示？为什么我首飞了就急不可耐报告给全世界？
And then ANGER is the second stage. After a while, the Americans may be ANGRY with their government on why they let the Chinese stole their most advanced fighter design so easily.
If these guys were really US jet fighter pilots, they have training and skills beyond question. However they may be in elementary school compared to the technology they are looking at.
Maybe you don’t know what you’re talking about. Ever thought of that? They’re reacting to the video and going through a process of elimination for the aircraft’s capabilities in a simple way for the viewers to determine what the airframe is capable of. If you knew anything about modern air combat you’d know there’s 24/7 AWACS coverage and f16s could very well be put in a position to intercept in certain scenarios.
@@Likeawormthey could've at least googled the specs 🤣🤣
Guys, H stands for bomber in Chinese. This is not a fighter; it is not designed to fight F-16s, F-22s, or F-35s in a dogfight.
I wonder what their grandchildren will think of these two genius when they scroll back for this vid 🤣🤣🤣
THE EARTH ATMOSPHERE:
Troposphere,10 km
Stratosphere, 15-30 km
So you thinking satellite killer? Makes sense. Looks like a space plane
@DaysOfFunder a new gen fighter bomber, with no enemy counter in that high
Even at 100 km, it's not above air defense. In 1985, the USA shot down a satellite with an F15. Look up Celestial Eagle. It's old tech, so it probably would have to be upgraded a touch to be viable again.
@@DaysOfFunder no...J36 aceing F22/F16 is like B2 dropping guided bombs on tanks at ground level...
This conversation reminds me of the soviet pilots talking about USA fighter jets in the 60s to 80s.
same way US pilots talked about the the MIg 25 which was supposed to be superior to what America has. Then it turned out it was a bust.
How would you know that comrade? 🤔
@@GrimYak Thank you. I was going to make the same comment.
@@imjoekangwhat’s funny is most western people can’t tell the difference between Japanese, Chinese, Taiwanese, Vietnamese, and Filipinos. To them, all Asians are potential CCP so be careful what you say when you look the way you do.
@@imjoekang A Soviet Pilot of the MiG 25, Blenko I believe his name is or was, defected to the West in the 1970s or 80s in one. Analyses of the plane showed the metallurgy to be somewhat defective, the engines to be big, to blast the plane, and electronics to be inferior to the west. In addition, the MiG 25 was not suppose to function as a real dogfighter but rather a bomber interceptor. That is why it was designed to fly at high altitudes. There is a book out, probably out of print now, that was written and ghost written by the Pilot who defected. Check it out.
Find a Chinese vloger to explain this jet:
Based on the current information from all sides, I personally think that the sixth-generation aircraft that meets our requirements should have the following characteristics:
First, large tonnage.
The size of the sixth-generation aircraft will exceed that of all fifth-generation aircraft. If the J-20 is a heavy fighter, then the sixth-generation aircraft is an ultra-heavy fighter.
Its size will not only exceed that of the J-20, but also that of the US NGAD.
A larger size means a larger tonnage, and a larger tonnage means a longer range, so it is normal for the combat radius to exceed the 1,000 nautical miles of NGAD.
In addition, due to its large size, the ammunition bay can be built very large, and it is entirely possible to load ultra-long-range large air-to-air missiles, or even hypersonic anti-ship missiles.
So the range of the sixth-generation aircraft far exceeds that of traditional fighters, six words: fly far, hit far.
This is an ultra-long-range heavy artillery sniper, which is a nightmare for any fighter and aircraft carrier.
Because its hands are longer than yours.
How can the power be guaranteed with such a large tonnage?
It's easy. Conventional fighters have two engines, and our sixth-generation aircraft can directly use three engines.
With three top-level high-thrust engines working together, it is no problem for the total power to exceed that of the latest US B-21 bomber.
Second, high altitude, high speed and extreme stealth.
The surging three-engine power plus the extreme drag reduction layout that cuts off all tail wings and canards make the flight speed and altitude of the sixth-generation aircraft significantly surpass the fifth-generation aircraft.
The difference in appearance between the sixth-generation aircraft (left) and the fifth-generation aircraft (right):
For reference, the maximum speed of my country's fifth-generation aircraft J-20 is 2.5 Mach, and the maximum flight altitude is 20,000 meters.
This is a typical fifth-generation aircraft "double two standard", that is, "2 Mach + 20,000 meters".
The sixth-generation aircraft is naturally a step up.
With the blessing of ultra-high speed and extreme stealth, the opponent can hardly respond to the attack of the sixth-generation aircraft.
Even if the opponent successfully launches an air-to-air missile at the sixth-generation aircraft, the sixth-generation aircraft can easily get rid of it through the ultra-high flight altitude (the missile climbing altitude is very energy-consuming).
In front of the fifth-generation aircraft, the sixth-generation aircraft is a condescending existence, and compared with itself, it is "higher, faster, larger, farther and more stealthy".
It is worth mentioning that the air above 20,000 meters is very thin, and the control effect of the traditional aircraft wing surface here will be very poor.
This is why the sixth-generation aircraft will abandon the tail and rely entirely on the change of the engine jet direction to turn.
In a sense, it is like a spaceship flying in space.
However, this flight mode is not suitable for traditional "dogfighting" (that is, close-range air combat, which requires maneuverability at low altitude and low speed).
Although the sixth-generation aircraft will basically not fall into this situation, it is better to be safe than sorry. What if it encounters it?
Third, a new combat mode.
As mentioned above, the sixth-generation aircraft introduced the concept of "loyal wingman".
The sixth-generation aircraft in actual combat is more like an air command fortress, with a group of stealth drones as "followers" around at any time.
Schematic diagram of loyal wingman using J-20 as an example:
The main job of these "little brothers" is to act as "bodyguards" to deal with close-range "dogfights" that may occur at any time.
Because drones do not need to consider the pilot's tolerance, their maneuverability is stronger than mainstream fighters, and they are perfect for "dogfights".
With them, the sixth-generation aircraft can perform sniper missions with peace of mind.
From the perspective of the fifth-generation aircraft, the battlefield situation is like this:
It is almost impossible to find the traces of the sixth-generation aircraft through radar;
Even if it is found, it will be blocked by the loyal wingman of the sixth-generation aircraft on the periphery;
Even if it breaks through the defense line of the loyal wingman, it cannot catch up with the super-fast sixth-generation aircraft.
In this process, the fifth-generation aircraft has died several times.
"Unable to detect, unable to intercept, unable to pursue".
In fact, let alone the fifth-generation aircraft, even the early warning aircraft finds it difficult to detect this killer with extreme stealth performance and super-high flight speed.
The early warning aircraft itself is also very likely to be taken away by the sixth-generation aircraft with an ultra-long-range missile hundreds of kilometers away.
If the early warning aircraft goes blind, the entire aircraft carrier formation will also go blind.
Don’t forget at this time that the super-large ammunition bay of the sixth-generation aircraft can be loaded with hypersonic anti-ship missiles...
On December 26, Beijing time, the Pentagon was destined to have a sleepless night.
What is even more shocking is that we have made two products of the same grade at once.
The other one is slightly smaller in size, roughly equivalent to the J-20, equipped with twin engines, probably for future shipboard preparations.
Its sixth-generation aircraft features are also very obvious: no tail, extreme stealth, and ultra-high speed.
In front of the carrier-based sixth-generation aircraft, the US carrier-based fifth-generation aircraft F-35C is a lamb to be slaughtered.
With the simultaneous efforts of my country’s north and south, the US Navy and Air Force will both face dimensionality reduction attacks.
People around the world can now be thankful:
Technology has finally returned to the hands of civilization.
Wth modern sensors and AI missiles, you don't dog fight .
Umm,no. You are watching too many movies.Urkraine and Russian pilots have been dogfighting.
@@thedragonlee76 ukraine and russia do not have jets with modern sensors and limited amounts of modern air to air missiles. so yes they dogfight with their pre 90s equipment
@@thedragonlee76 Lol. When did Ukraine and Russian pilots dog fight with cannons? Show me some articles about this.
We should not get into a cat fight with these two guys.
Sure. That’s what the armchair experts think. In the reality of war, sh*t happens. Fighters might trade long distance shots and both defeat them in turn and end up getting closer and closer until they’re out of missiles and staring directly at each other. What do they do then? Hurl curse words at each other? No. They switch to guns.
The idea that air combat will only be beyond visual range was assumed previously and has turned out to be wrong time after time.
The size and delta wing suggests a strategic bomber, lift and weight carrying.
Strategic bombers don't need the thrust to weight ratio of 3 engines
@@vlhc4642 Unless they're the B1-B? or the B52?
Its a long range high speed stealth wepon platform.
@@michaeltualatinsuper high altitude near orbit plane, 2 plane engines, one rocket engine, huge deployment platform, either ICBM, drone swarm and other more traditional missiles and smart bombs
Out of all the new content on these jets your video brings so much better knowledge and understanding, always a pleasure watching
Its looking like a stealth fighter-bomber
Where do you see the stealth 😂😂😂
More like stealth bomber with cruise missiles. Like supersonic f-117
@@joshuaguzman7725 literally a fighter pilot in this video is saying it looks stealth and you're asking where's the stealth.
It's a dedicated air superiority fighter as commented by the J-20 designer. There's thrust vectoring. But it's meant to be very long range since it's bays are big enough for PL-17's and probably the ramjet PL-21/XX.
NGAD is just as large as this aircraft, it is a fighter
Did you miss here are 3 engines?
Apparently so, or they would have died laughing.
I was waiting for your take. Thanks for sharing!
Full of hubris, unsurprising
it's not 6 gen until we call it 6 gen, it's not democracy until we call it democracy
😂😂😂
🇺🇸: "I was never a democracy."
Yes, the US, as global hegemon and technology leader, sets the standard. All you China bots aren't even claiming this is capable of the things the US requires for its own 6th gen fighters, which have been flying since before 2020.
@fakecubed how much you claimed from the 1.6b? 🐸
The US is a republic it was never a democracy. Anyone who actually studies its government the founders built knows this.