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Been a knife collector and do custom anodizing work at my house. I love damasteel and Damascus; but absolutely hate companies that seem as if they they have a knife containing Damascus and it’s fake... way to go on going toe to toe with a company. I own about 10 Damascus knives currently but have owned over 50 over the years and roughly 3 years ago I caught my first fake Damascus blade as well... I do exactly what you did when I get a Damascus knife which is compare pictures to my blade! Unless you somehow got the knife in the picture; they’re never the same! Keep up the awesome content and thank you for your service! 🇺🇸
Thanks so much! Always good to hear from a brother of the blade!
The pattern on the Chinese blade looks like real Damascus right away, it’s not perfectly uniform like the Tekto.
Exactly !
Love this. Educating the masses to make a more informed consumer. Great job.
I'm just about to order a Sitivien damascus knife, with wood handles (ST222). They seem pretty decently made for the price, interesting designs. That VG10 core damascus stock is pretty common nowadays.
where can buy it? can't find it on Amazon.
Damascus designs are as unique as your fingerprint.
This video was very educational, and i was able to figure out that my Damascus blade is real from a fake.
If its not too much trouble to ask, can you tell if a Black bone handle of a knife is a real thing like someone burn and shaped it or dye the handle after ti was shaped, or is it just plastic?
Great information. I really like cutlery lover and was surprised about his first review, but really enjoyed his follow up. - Thank You for the Damascus information, I found it very informative. I did know that each Damascus blade should be different and not identical. I will be the first to admit that I know very little about steels. I think I’m gonna put together a little quick reference guide for myself, just so I know what I’m dealing with. And as always great review of the inexpensive Damascus knife from Amazon, you actually made me want to go buy it lol.
What's the link for the real one on Amazon?
Thank you for saying that! NO TWO DAMASCUS PATTERNS ARE THE SAME! Just ordered this blade so I can do my review and further back your statements
Thanks!
Im new to the knife community thus new to your channel (love it btw, your hands down my fav knife channel) but youve mentioned 'your shop' in many videos, may I ask what shop? Do you own a knife type of shop? Sorry, kind of random question.
I'm no Smith but I love knife swords etc. I recently found a company that seems to make decent knives some are made out of D2 tool steel, some are made out of railroad spikes which if I remember correctly is 45 carbon steel and some of them have more modern Damascus or pattern water whatever you want to call it made out of 1095 and 15n20. They make simple old-fashioned style folding knives which I have some in D2 tool steel they seem pretty nice and then I recently got in one of their hunting camping tracking etcetera kind of nice that was made out of their Damascus which based on what I just learned in this video is probably production Damascus based on the price but I do actually think it's real Damascus and not a printed on thing because the other thing I also looked at was the photos of similar nice to see if the patterns were the same on the blades when zooming in and they looked very different so now I am more sure about my purchase of an inexpensive Damascus knife. Thank you for giving me more information and reassuring the things that I thought I had heard along the way.
So glad you brpught up woots Steele , most ppl dont have a clue about the history of it , the one company left in the world in japan that makes real Katnas folda that metal thousands fo times and layers. Glad youa re educating people on this, If you dont have background in matealergy most peole will be fooled .keep up the good work Bro
Torenz Damascus polished folding knife?? Real or fake??
I feel like it is some what real damascus, I mean this may very much be pattern welded steel cut up into smaller billets to the ride thickness, then shaped either on a cnc or on some grinder. If you look at the spine, the pattern kinda matches what is presented on the faces of the knives, and the presence of sandwich steels arent to rare to see (not sure about 2 years back) But if they are going to go through the efforts of laser ingrave two faces of the steel as well as the spine then idk how they are making money. In addition to the inaccuracies that a laser etcher due to the quantity of knives that they put out daily. Who knows, China always use some mysterious steel no one knows about.
Wow Doc!!! Kudo's to you!!!! idnt realize you were so up on you history of metaurgy!!! Great explanation of it amd why you can find it somewhat cheaply. Still love you calling out the bullshitters!!!!
And they more than likely polish the knife with a light abrasive that removes the softer steel quicker than the harder carbon steel. Think some kind of polish on a material that can push into the “crevices” formed by the soft steel
beautiful knife
That box is giving me canku flashbacks 🤟
Doc, you aren't talking Greek, but you talking to Greeks when it comes to folks that want to argue about Damascus...bahhaha. I just made that up and I found it hilarious 😂.
I saw a video where someone was shipped a knife with no correspondence in it from BattlBox with a fixed blade. Are they maybe, replacing the knife in box 83? Anyone else seen this?
I haven't seen or heard about that. But I know that even after all the drama with the Teckto knife was exposed they were still using it as a free offer to try and lure people who canceled to resubscribe.
@@DocP91B ohhh, guess that might be it.
Twisting the billet while forging gives another type of pattern.
Aside from just lack of funds to do so this whole situation is exactly why I haven't (and don't plan to) do one of those subscription box things. It just seems like unfortunately they put in a lot of overpriced trash or in this case outright rip people off and work with sketchy companies to do so.
core damascus uses 3 types of steel , the core is one type of steel usually a tool steel of some type with 2 slabs of damascus forge welded to each side so when you grind it to produce a edge the tool steel is always the steel the knife edge is using and the slabs on the side are there for beauty only .
True damascus steel is a hi carbon steel mixed with low carbon steel and folded many times - with no core metal in the center it is forge welded to.
what can anyone tell me about Momin Edge Demascus blades?
It took me about 1 minute to figure it all out from thier website:
Their "about us" section is written in bad English. Their phone number is 123-456-7890. Their address is "66 Broklyn Street USA", & their email is "needhelp@yourdomain.com"
If you still have any questions after that...
I might buy it to flex on my friends
I find that a valid reason!
Watch basically any episode of forged in fire and at least one of them will do some type of Damascus blade it’s a decent crash course into how it’s made.
Cookie dough 🍪 quality ingredients, wholesome taste, more than one way to skin a cat, I think this is all about money, like car parts, buy from a dealer at a premium & from an importer for a lot less with the same manufacturers numbers on it, worked in the auto industry back in the 80's chasing parts for friends 🍻
I bought a Benkey with the vg10 core. Yo... laser sharp!
I was watching this waiting to get ticked until you clarified the wootz vs pattern welded steel. It was a “whew” moment I get so tired of pattern steel being labeled Damascus
I try to be specific because words mean things. They aren't interchangeable.
All you need is a fine metal scraper who can scrape 1000”s of inches and scrape both and find out what is underneath. I worked in the manufacturing of industrial machinery were the the rails and tables had to be scraped in. With the knives it would be a two minute job.
Well...you do sweat on blades when forging, but it sizzles away
Can't you do two different stainless to?
You can, but you don't get as pronounced a pattern.
With being a core of VG10, is this truly Damascus? Wouldn't this be SanMai? In any regards, nothing wrong or bad about it and does allow the presence of a beautiful Damascus pattern sandwiched over a good steel but not what I would classify as Damascus.
I've thought the same thing.
Doc every blade is an individual as youve proven. Have you heard back from battlebox or the knife manufacturer regarding seeing that knife elsewhere. Stuart Palmer Adelaide Sth Australia
Nope Stuart, not a peep!
It to mention 440 stacked will create a horrid pattern. You need two different steels to make modern Damascus. High carbon on high carbon really won’t work
You want a carbon steel and a steel with a higher nickel content... Such as 1084 and 15n20... But the steels whichever you choose has to have a similar heat treat schedule...
That is a great explanation! Thanks!
I really doubt they did a San mai for a cheap production model, and that’s one hell of a hamon if they ever claim it
1 min ago... ok YT, thanks for that for once usefull recommend.
I understand what you are saying about wootz being lost in how it’s made but there are some who have found out how to make it and have the beautiful Damascus look. This link is a video of a blacksmith in Florida figuring out how to make wootz. th-cam.com/video/OP8PCkcBZU4/w-d-xo.html
Sitivien damascus is VG10 & 10CR15MOV
Thanks for doing the research and sharing the info!
The only real trademark Damascus on the market would be damasteel and Damacore. Not that there isn't good Damascus on the market. Civivi makes a decent 9Cr based Damascus. I would say to do a little research usually the better companies tell you what's in their Damascus. Im not a fan of it as I would rather have a better single upgraded steel than have something that looks pretty and pay the same price or a premium for it. Ex: civivi elementum 9cr based Damascus $100 but in 14C28N (a better steel) is only $66 (rough values online). but there are those that value the aesthetic over the performance and that is a choice. Try to stay away from Damascus that is not from a good company is all. And on the Sitivien knives I don't personally own any but heard from many reviewers that they are ok and their quality is good for what you pay I will definately be checking some out in the near future though hopefully. Thanks for the great vid Doc and keep making sharp things fun and enjoyable.
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Thank you again for taking the time to explain and debunk the douche canoes.
Just because it’s made in a production run it doesn’t mean it’s fake
Never mind you literally just said this
I’ll wait to the end
With cable damascus, it's all the same steel, but you get a pattern. I don't know why
He's a Big name (w/sausage fingers) of doin' nothing...!
Not everyone can afford them hight dollar knives so I am all for the cheaper way to make it.
I just tell people it's like smashing together multi colored playdoh....
What’s up man how’s it going today what’s happening
Just work stuff. Things are going pretty good. How are you?
Where’s a good place to buy a genuine Damascus blade?
The honest truth is you're best off buying a custom made blade from a genuine Smith. But that will cost you a LOT! Reputable established brands all have Damascus blades in their lineups. If it's a brand you've never heard of, or a brand that wants to sell you a Damascus blade for an unbelievably low price, be very wary. If they aren't up front with what specific kinds of steel the Damascus is made of that's another sign to stay away.
Amazon is full of fake and poorly made Damascus. If you buy from a site like BladeHQ, Knifecenter, Knifeworks, etc you should be ok.
@@DocP91B BOKER makes a few that are pretty decent . Boker is a really good german company .
@Albert A. I love Boker. Just have to make sure you know which product line you're dealing with. Some are very high end and some just aren't.
Did BB really offer the same piece of garbage as recompense????
If you are going to give that Damascus knife away ill be in Stuart Palmer Adelaide Sth Australia
G'day from melbourne. hope it's a beautiful day over there in lovely Adelaide.
@@chrisw7248 sunny but like melb weather hot and humid not the usual dry heat. So much rain here major road damage up north. Flooding here in a lot of suburbs warning to you regards heavy rain. Thanks for getting in touch Chris. Stuart Palmer Adelaide Sth Australia
@@chrisw7248 Docs a top guy bought knives on his advice through ebay and olight absolutely love cold steel knives
Damn your really going in on them I love how they said our otf knives are made of top quality well my guy this isn't a otf knife so what's your excuse now!!!!
I have no problem with production damascus. If it's properly heat treated, and they don't try to pass it of as handmade. Two Fingers Knives gets blanks of production damascus and shape and heat treat their own designs.
My guess is different carbon content due to the ease of carbon migration is the many _very_ thin steel wires within a cable. It's also possible that cables are made of different kinds of steel wires.
4 minutes in... still waiting.... get to the god damn point!
If you're 4 minutes in and you're not hearing the point... Which is what is Damascus Steel... Which is being discussed at the 4 minute mark - I just checked, then that's a failure of comprehension on your part. Not anybody else's.
P. S. - totally love the fact that you told a video posted 2 years ago to "get to the god damn point". What exactly did you think was going to work out right there? Brilliant...
Agreed. It was a bit long-winded.
I'm not sure either of them are real Damascus.
New to the game huh. I can spot damascus with one eye closed and half asleep
Mines just for killing zombies so I’m pretty sure they can’t tell the difference
damn you talked to much arround... get to the point!
I agree, talked about all kind of nonsense
Seems to me they shouldn’t be allowed to call it demascus.
Maybe Fauxmascus?
Battlbox tried to get me to sign back up and would give me this knife for free I replied give me a TOPS B.O.B. And I might 😂 only back in the day ...
You could have made that video 8 mins long if you didnt talk like that. Geeze, had me almost sweating with annoyance 😂
That is TH-cam gives you the freedom to never watch a channel again when you don't like it. Hope you find a great 8 minute channel! Bye!!!!
@@DocP91Btold you
@DocP91B ahh, I didn't read any comments when I watched this video. You just like to hear yourself jabber! And you have this fantasy going through your head that you're smarter than everyone. But yet, cant seem to make any decent, mature arguments. Hope you find some people who like listening to it. Bye! 😂
Just cut the blade in half...
Look doc let's get you your knife smith and master knife smith and master armor so we can shut up or put up battlbox boys oh Brandon current is my cuz
I would love to get my ABS certs. I wish I had the time. So jealous of people who have put the time in to earn those titles!
Waffle waffle 😂
If you wanna get technical then no real Damascus exists beyond relics in museums and private high dollar collections because it’s a lost art. At these price points there’s really no reason to complain, I can understand if your spending $500+, but for less than $100? That’s just being picky because people want to bitch about something for no reason.
Do you know the difference between price and price point? I really don't understand the point of your entire comment. Seriously. It's like you expressed half a thought. So you're saying unless someone spends $500 they can't complain if a company advertises a Damascus blade and lies about it?
You're entirely wrong about the existence of "real" Damascus. What you mean is Wootz. That secret recipie has been lost and cant be duplicated. But Damascus steel - as defined as dissimilar types of steel forge welded into a solid bilit - is absolutely still available through the efforts of trained smiths.
And for real, people use the term "price point" way too much when they are trying to sound smart. Most of the time they really meant price, but they end up sounding like a pretentious Dbag saying price point for no reason. A 101 level econ class can square that away.
@@DocP91B wow not a actual single true point made in that statement.
@@dcrose001 I just counted 4. Possibly 5 depending on how you interpret it all. But pretty bold move to publicly announce you missed every point made.
By the way, in the English language we us "an" before a word that starts with vowl, not "a".
*not an actual single point made* - that's what it's supposed to look like. How's that for an actual point?
@@DocP91B how cute the triggered failure is living in denial and is a ignorant failure. Stay stupid beta boy.
Dude just get to the point
OK, here's the point: you have no business around knives or other sharp objects. First of all this video is how many years old? So you thought your asinine worded and timed comment was going to do what exactly?!? Magically make the video go faster? Or maybe you thought that because you displayed a Keren level of entitlement here, I was going to go back and re-edit the entire video, and re-upload it for you, to better suit your personal enjoyment?
Your comment is pointless and posted by a fucking moron there is the point, and I've gotten to it.
If you don't have the patients and mental capacity to sit through a TH-cam video, you definitey don't have the mental capacity to handle sharp objects.
The real point here is that the world doesn't revolve around you. Not I, nor anyone else on TH-cam makes videos specifically for your personal edification. You're not special, despite whatever your mom told you.
@@DocP91BI love this reply so much 😂
@DocP91B I think you meant "patience" (not patients) 😅. Reading your reply, I can tell you have that in abundance.
@@DogGuy19 you know I think I've gotten that wrong every Single time I've ever written that word...
@@DocP91B oh no did i upset your fragile mind.