Thanks for doing this and posting. I’ve worked with both consoles over the last few years. I feel that a better comparison (to the TF) would be the Midas M32 rather than the X32 . While the OS is the same, the physical layout of the M32 is so much easier to get around on. I chose the M32 over the TF because the Midas preamp was much better, the monitoring expansion options were not limited to Dante/Aviom, MIDI implementation for DAW control, ability to multitrack via USB or SD card. In addition, the monitor app for iOS/Android gave meters per channel and on the master of each monitor bus. Yamahas monitoring app allow for some good customization but lacked metering.
The M32 is close to double the price of the tl5. I'm not sure a comparison of the 2 would be fair. if I paid 5k for a console I would hope it would be better than the 3k unit in almost every way. I think the x32 is better comparison based on a 3k or less shootout .
Since a few years I am using TF3 in our church and believe me it is an entry, entry and again entry level board. Very easy to use and learn but has so many limitations comparing to x32 / Wing / A&H SQ series which are at the same or similar price level that I would never, never buy it again. Great toy for beginners to play with a digital board but it was very frustrating for me to discover all of these limitations.
Yeah, we do think that the TF series is great for entry level. It is much harder to get to the advanced features, and there are some things you just cannot do. We think that there are better consoles for more skilled operators.
I have been considering an upgrade for my church. I have considered many desks for price and functionality. I was surprisingly worn over by the TF series. Some compelling features that stood out for me; 1. Ease of use, easier for my team to navigate and build their understanding of digital boards. 2. Well thought out simplistic navigation; matrices, effects, send on faders, straight forward 1-1 input to output patching.....TOUCH Screen. 1 Button, home button when you get lost. 3. I can do an offline mix.I already downloaded the TF editor and have been setting up my mix and getting familiar with the workflow for when I actually do get the board. 4. The TF series has a clean look and a premium feel to it. 5. Count on the trusted longetivity and dependability of the Yamaha brand.
As an A1 most days on set.. the x32 is the better tool especially with an iPad and wireless router. 1. The ability to use stage boxes two 2. The line in and out in addition to 32 xlr 3. Sd card recording in 32 bit float 4. Super easy BUS 🚌 setup... easy and life saver in last minute new additions to hybrid events I could write a paragraph or novel from experience how X32 is better for new and experienced A1. Thats being said eacv their own this is my opinion from experience
Yamaha support is a "little bit better"? That's sort of like saying Einstein was a "little bit smarter" than Goober from the Andy Griffith Show. Behringer wins the price contest for bang-for-the-buck, which is what they set out to do. That is all. Yamaha is (and always has been) on a whole different level in terms of support and build quality. Behringer is fine as long as it powers on and you never need a repair. It's just disposable gear, and they simply have no interest in support after the sale. None. Choose wisely.
The Behringer is the lowest common denominator, made for sound techs who prefer to mix with their eyes rather than their ears. The lack of a touch-screen is an issue for techs who enjoy playing around with EQ graphs. By far the worst thing about the X32 is what a PITA it is to reconfigure the EQ and dynamics knobs before you can actually make an adjustment. A speedy board this is not. The Yamaha is for sound techs who prefer to program a setlist of mixes in advance. After you specify everything in detail, all that remains is babysitting the faders after you trigger each cue in sequence. It's ideal for techs who want to automate a show as much as possible.
as someone who mixes regularly on a M7cl and an SD9 I would still suggest the TF5 over the Behringer. You will NEVER see any Behringer equipment on any rider or on any higher end stages and events. At least if you are thinking X32, spend a few bucks more and get the M32 for the much better preamps.
Midas was acquired along with Klark Technik, Bugera, Tannoy, Lake, Turbosound, TC Electronic and TC Helicon and are all part of the Music Tribe. The X32 has Midas designed preamps as standard, which the M32 is better on some aspects I agree, but it also costs a lot more, the preamps, operating system and effects are absolutely identical, the M32 has a higher dynamic range reaches 112db instead of 106, the sampling rate of the M32's preamp goes up to 96khz while the X32 stops at 48khz.
If you read the whole message that I wrote up to the end where I explain the differences, you understood that a comment of this kind was useless. The X32 offers MIDAS-branded Midas-designed preamps that reach a maximum of 48khz, while the M32 obviously uses its native components of the brand which, however, reach 96khz, therefore with 50% more power than the X32. If you use them all 2 by setting them to 48khz they are identical. You will see gain levels of 6db compared to the X32 with better overall build quality and greater accessibility with the M32 but with a substantial price difference of 1200euro about a few years ago (2017) it was over 1800euro, in recent years the X32 is rose in price despite being no longer the flagship digital mixer after Behringer's release of Wings. Other marginal differences, M32 frequency response: 20 Hz to 20 kHz 0 dB to -1 dB with a sampling rate of 48 kHz. X32: 10 Hz to 22 kHz 0 dB to -1 dB with a sampling frequency of 48 kHz always. Better screen resolution and colors in the M32. The M32 weighs more, over 34 kilos the X32 stops at 20.5 kilos so it is easier to move. I hope I have clarified once and for all.
This just popped up on my YT feed. I use a Yamaha TF with the Dante card, two Tio stage boxes and seven Yamaha DZR speakers, running in Quick Config mode through the TF board. It is so slick to use for church or for remote conferences. I also have a Yamaha QL5 board in my church running a full Dante system (Nexo Amp, Shure ULX-D wireless mics, Rio stage box). That is wonderful - but painful for non-pro operators to use. The Yamaha system (a TF5 and my own TF1) are great, simple to use for even a complex Dante system, and Yamaha's support has been great (had a power supply fail in a TF5). The Behringer X32 that I've used seems needlessly complex, backwards in some of its terminology (High pass and Low pass filters names are odd), and is really dated. BUT it's been bulletproof in an application I use it for.
@Brightengale Great comparison both mixing consoles. I always hear that Behringer X32 is more advanced, and Yamaha TF is for beginers. I have two questions: 1. What can Behringer do and Yamaha can't? 2. I saw presets in Yamaha mixing consoles? There is much more presets that i have in Yamaha TF-1. Are this presets manualy added - like sond technician, or where can i download this presets (i have last update softweare? Thans guys
More faders + Fully customizable layer + DAW-like touchscreen operation + Built-in Dante protocol = Totally kills X/M32 into hell The only disadvantage is about the limited capacity of cue recall system. Not quite adequate for theatrical application
X32 great value for money a resiliant company great product easy to interface and offers enough to produce professional productions. I own Yamaha and wont fault them either so both have their merits there are no idiot engineers behind these designs.
you all did not make a mix from scratch on the tf5. From my experience the tf5 is vastly slower to work on due to the lag of the touchscreen and faders and its processing capacity is very limited with only 2 fx slots and only from what i remember something like 18bands available for graphic eq. The x32 is a vastly more capable board but agreeing with long term reliability I would recommend the M32 over X32 as it has some better components specifically the knobs under the screen which tend to fail on the x32. The tf is a dinosaur at this point compared to all other offerings on the market today not just the x32. Both consoles are desperately in need of a refresh though and hopefully Behringer will revamp the x32 and yamaha will make a better tf with physical knobs rather than just touch and turn and a better more capable faster processor and gui/faders. I own both consoles and the tf sits in its case 98% of the time as most engineers do not want to use it the M32/X32 has done over 1000 shows and is requested by almost all engineers. The 3 times the tf went out were for corporate shows where there were 4 mics and a sit down conversation and the venue was not going to have an engineer so just not having the visible anxiety of knobs was helpful for them. just my 2 cents as someone who owns both.
Yamaha TF has way too many limitations to be considered a pro mixing board. X32 even though has bad interfere but it has most of the necessary pro features and options
As someone who shares this viewpoint here’s a list: Fewer effects - No midi control - User defined keys are way more limited - The one knob control feels clunky - Scene recall is terrible (fastest change is 1 second) -Audio interface is locked to 48k which is a pain for streaming -console feels limited unless you specifically fork out for the Dante stage box and expansion card -I don’t like the scribble strips as much -menu navigation feels clunky. -you ,an only adjust 6 (I think) bands on the GEQ of a send. Anymore than that and it stops you because “you’re degrading the sound.”
"JAMAHA" like it shows on the thumb, must be a Chinese clone of a Yamaha. Like the Chinese "Sonya" rechargeable batteries from back in the early 2000's
not this time... tf consoles are really worst then X32. (settings, gains, eq, effects... x32 is much more handful and cheaper). I have use both of them and won't recommand TF.
@@stephanew6592 i know it's easy to used but the Quality the Final Result for the Ear Like when i program on Korg Pa Series it's very easy but on Yamaha Difficult but when Finished Boom . This is my idea
@@stephanew6592 полностью соглашусь! У меня есть M32, X32 и TF5. Звук у Х32 не хуже чем у TF, а M32 звучит лучше TF на порядок! Пресловутая "Одна кнопка" - это пятое колесо в телеге! Эффекты, эквалайзеры - ужас! Большой недостаток - отсутствие задержки на входах и по выходам! TF - для небольших спикер-залов. Не более.
When I was at the NAMM show a few years ago, the Yamaha reps admitted that even the CL5/Rio preamps don't sound as good as an M32. "You'll have to work a bit harder to get that sound." They did, however, say that their Rivage preamps (in the hella-expensive RPio boxes) were great. Gosh, for a $100,000 touring console, you'd hope so...
Thanks for doing this and posting. I’ve worked with both consoles over the last few years. I feel that a better comparison (to the TF) would be the Midas M32 rather than the X32 . While the OS is the same, the physical layout of the M32 is so much easier to get around on.
I chose the M32 over the TF because the Midas preamp was much better, the monitoring expansion options were not limited to Dante/Aviom, MIDI implementation for DAW control, ability to multitrack via USB or SD card.
In addition, the monitor app for iOS/Android gave meters per channel and on the master of each monitor bus. Yamahas monitoring app allow for some good customization but lacked metering.
Thanks for the comment! Maybe we should make a video comparing the difference between the X32 and the M32.
Do you know if it is possible to build a complete scene on an iPad offline?
The M32 is close to double the price of the tl5. I'm not sure a comparison of the 2 would be fair. if I paid 5k for a console I would hope it would be better than the 3k unit in almost every way. I think the x32 is better comparison based on a 3k or less shootout .
Since a few years I am using TF3 in our church and believe me it is an entry, entry and again entry level board. Very easy to use and learn but has so many limitations comparing to x32 / Wing / A&H SQ series which are at the same or similar price level that I would never, never buy it again. Great toy for beginners to play with a digital board but it was very frustrating for me to discover all of these limitations.
Yeah, we do think that the TF series is great for entry level. It is much harder to get to the advanced features, and there are some things you just cannot do. We think that there are better consoles for more skilled operators.
I have been considering an upgrade for my church. I have considered many desks for price and functionality. I was surprisingly worn over by the TF series. Some compelling features that stood out for me;
1. Ease of use, easier for my team to navigate and build their understanding of digital boards.
2. Well thought out simplistic navigation; matrices, effects, send on faders, straight forward 1-1 input to output patching.....TOUCH Screen. 1 Button, home button when you get lost.
3. I can do an offline mix.I already downloaded the TF editor and have been setting up my mix and getting familiar with the workflow for when I actually do get the board.
4. The TF series has a clean look and a premium feel to it.
5. Count on the trusted longetivity and dependability of the Yamaha brand.
We agree with all of these points. That is where we think this console really excels. Reach out if you need more help!
Cool video! Can you compare the Yamaha TF RACK vs the Behringer X32 Rack in near future, thanks
Can you please compare yamaha tf5 with behringer wing
Absolutely. Thank you for your suggestion.
It would be better to compare the wing with the Allen and Heath SQ5 or SQ9.
As an A1 most days on set.. the x32 is the better tool especially with an iPad and wireless router.
1. The ability to use stage boxes two
2. The line in and out in addition to 32 xlr
3. Sd card recording in 32 bit float
4. Super easy BUS 🚌 setup... easy and life saver in last minute new additions to hybrid events
I could write a paragraph or novel from experience how X32 is better for new and experienced A1.
Thats being said eacv their own this is my opinion from experience
Good idea. We can make that happen!
Yamaha support is a "little bit better"? That's sort of like saying Einstein was a "little bit smarter" than Goober from the Andy Griffith Show. Behringer wins the price contest for bang-for-the-buck, which is what they set out to do. That is all. Yamaha is (and always has been) on a whole different level in terms of support and build quality. Behringer is fine as long as it powers on and you never need a repair. It's just disposable gear, and they simply have no interest in support after the sale. None. Choose wisely.
The Behringer is the lowest common denominator, made for sound techs who prefer to mix with their eyes rather than their ears. The lack of a touch-screen is an issue for techs who enjoy playing around with EQ graphs. By far the worst thing about the X32 is what a PITA it is to reconfigure the EQ and dynamics knobs before you can actually make an adjustment. A speedy board this is not.
The Yamaha is for sound techs who prefer to program a setlist of mixes in advance. After you specify everything in detail, all that remains is babysitting the faders after you trigger each cue in sequence. It's ideal for techs who want to automate a show as much as possible.
as someone who mixes regularly on a M7cl and an SD9 I would still suggest the TF5 over the Behringer. You will NEVER see any Behringer equipment on any rider or on any higher end stages and events. At least if you are thinking X32, spend a few bucks more and get the M32 for the much better preamps.
Totally true.
Midas was acquired along with Klark Technik, Bugera, Tannoy, Lake, Turbosound, TC Electronic and TC Helicon and are all part of the Music Tribe. The X32 has Midas designed preamps as standard, which the M32 is better on some aspects I agree, but it also costs a lot more, the preamps, operating system and effects are absolutely identical, the M32 has a higher dynamic range reaches 112db instead of 106, the sampling rate of the M32's preamp goes up to 96khz while the X32 stops at 48khz.
If you read the whole message that I wrote up to the end where I explain the differences, you understood that a comment of this kind was useless. The X32 offers MIDAS-branded Midas-designed preamps that reach a maximum of 48khz, while the M32 obviously uses its native components of the brand which, however, reach 96khz, therefore with 50% more power than the X32. If you use them all 2 by setting them to 48khz they are identical. You will see gain levels of 6db compared to the X32 with better overall build quality and greater accessibility with the M32 but with a substantial price difference of 1200euro about a few years ago (2017) it was over 1800euro, in recent years the X32 is rose in price despite being no longer the flagship digital mixer after Behringer's release of Wings. Other marginal differences, M32 frequency response: 20 Hz to 20 kHz 0 dB to -1 dB with a sampling rate of 48 kHz.
X32: 10 Hz to 22 kHz 0 dB to -1 dB with a sampling frequency of 48 kHz always.
Better screen resolution and colors in the M32.
The M32 weighs more, over 34 kilos the X32 stops at 20.5 kilos so it is easier to move.
I hope I have clarified once and for all.
@@InVisionsynthmindscape I get what your saying, I still wouldn’t use either the wing or the x32.
@@mobiletoonz Ok good for you!
Soundwise the tf wins everything else x32
TF5, thé best live mix
This just popped up on my YT feed. I use a Yamaha TF with the Dante card, two Tio stage boxes and seven Yamaha DZR speakers, running in Quick Config mode through the TF board. It is so slick to use for church or for remote conferences. I also have a Yamaha QL5 board in my church running a full Dante system (Nexo Amp, Shure ULX-D wireless mics, Rio stage box). That is wonderful - but painful for non-pro operators to use. The Yamaha system (a TF5 and my own TF1) are great, simple to use for even a complex Dante system, and Yamaha's support has been great (had a power supply fail in a TF5). The Behringer X32 that I've used seems needlessly complex, backwards in some of its terminology (High pass and Low pass filters names are odd), and is really dated. BUT it's been bulletproof in an application I use it for.
I personally prefer the Yamaha TF5 to the X32, the Yamaha TF5 is very easy to understand and very simple and the process is very fast
Thank you for your feedback.
How well does the TF series mixers work with Pro Tools for multitrack recording?
UPDATE: It works perfectly. Ran plugins for effects while multitracking all at once.
Which one makes a better audio interface for recording drums?
hi any of these could work with audiofusion? (the app for using iphones as in ear transmitters)
Can you make a tutorial showing how to multi record using yamaha TF5 mixer in logic?
thanks for such a clear demo
@Brightengale Great comparison both mixing consoles. I always hear that Behringer X32 is more advanced, and Yamaha TF is for beginers. I have two questions:
1. What can Behringer do and Yamaha can't?
2. I saw presets in Yamaha mixing consoles? There is much more presets that i have in Yamaha TF-1. Are this presets manualy added - like sond technician, or where can i download this presets (i have last update softweare? Thans guys
could you compare the TF5 with a presonus counter part?
Do you have a video that compares the x32 with the Presonus S/L III consoles or maybe the Mixas M32?
Search youtube for dave rat
Compare tf5 with m32 live
what about the Allen heath
avoid Behringer, major chip supply issues. waited 2 years to get a replacement of a failed board.
More faders + Fully customizable layer + DAW-like touchscreen operation + Built-in Dante protocol = Totally kills X/M32 into hell
The only disadvantage is about the limited capacity of cue recall system. Not quite adequate for theatrical application
How about Behringer X32 vs Yamaha TF3
The only difference between this video and that comparison video would be the size of the TF3 at 24 faders.
the X32 got the longest review...would have loved a deeper review. you guys hardly scratched the surface
Good idea. What are you interested knowing more about?
@@brightengale sound quality between the consoles. Preamps?
TF5 or QU32?
X32 great value for money a resiliant company great product easy to interface and offers enough to produce professional productions. I own Yamaha and wont fault them either so both have their merits there are no idiot engineers behind these designs.
you all did not make a mix from scratch on the tf5. From my experience the tf5 is vastly slower to work on due to the lag of the touchscreen and faders and its processing capacity is very limited with only 2 fx slots and only from what i remember something like 18bands available for graphic eq. The x32 is a vastly more capable board but agreeing with long term reliability I would recommend the M32 over X32 as it has some better components specifically the knobs under the screen which tend to fail on the x32. The tf is a dinosaur at this point compared to all other offerings on the market today not just the x32. Both consoles are desperately in need of a refresh though and hopefully Behringer will revamp the x32 and yamaha will make a better tf with physical knobs rather than just touch and turn and a better more capable faster processor and gui/faders. I own both consoles and the tf sits in its case 98% of the time as most engineers do not want to use it the M32/X32 has done over 1000 shows and is requested by almost all engineers. The 3 times the tf went out were for corporate shows where there were 4 mics and a sit down conversation and the venue was not going to have an engineer so just not having the visible anxiety of knobs was helpful for them. just my 2 cents as someone who owns both.
Tf5❤
Tf5 best!!!
Yamaha THE best 😃🤩
Yamaha TF has way too many limitations to be considered a pro mixing board. X32 even though has bad interfere but it has most of the necessary pro features and options
your comment would have been credible if you listed the "way too many limitations"
As someone who shares this viewpoint here’s a list:
Fewer effects
- No midi control
- User defined keys are way more limited
- The one knob control feels clunky
- Scene recall is terrible (fastest change is 1 second)
-Audio interface is locked to 48k which is a pain for streaming
-console feels limited unless you specifically fork out for the Dante stage box and expansion card
-I don’t like the scribble strips as much
-menu navigation feels clunky.
-you ,an only adjust 6 (I think) bands on the GEQ of a send. Anymore than that and it stops you because “you’re degrading the sound.”
I lik this challange
Thank you, we are so glad you like it.
x32 win!!!
get the SQ5/6/7
Best TF Yamaha
Why the X32? it is a decade old now. Should compare m32 or wing.
"JAMAHA" like it shows on the thumb, must be a Chinese clone of a Yamaha. Like the Chinese "Sonya" rechargeable batteries from back in the early 2000's
Thank you for the remark. We have fixed the thumbnail now.
están comparando peras con manzanas
Gracias por los comentarios. ¿Por qué cree que es así?
Yamaha❤
Tf5 best ... x32 artificial tone
X32 best
Yamaha the best in everything 🤩
not this time... tf consoles are really worst then X32. (settings, gains, eq, effects... x32 is much more handful and cheaper). I have use both of them and won't recommand TF.
@@stephanew6592 i know it's easy to used but the Quality the Final Result for the Ear Like when i program on Korg Pa Series it's very easy but on Yamaha Difficult but when Finished Boom . This is my idea
@@stephanew6592 полностью соглашусь! У меня есть M32, X32 и TF5. Звук у Х32 не хуже чем у TF, а M32 звучит лучше TF на порядок!
Пресловутая "Одна кнопка" - это пятое колесо в телеге!
Эффекты, эквалайзеры - ужас!
Большой недостаток - отсутствие задержки на входах и по выходам!
TF - для небольших спикер-залов. Не более.
@@Sikora-r2r Спасибо за ваше мнение и комментарий!)
I'd rather have the ls9 lol
I have never mixed on a Yamaha that sounded good. The pre's are thin.
When I was at the NAMM show a few years ago, the Yamaha reps admitted that even the CL5/Rio preamps don't sound as good as an M32. "You'll have to work a bit harder to get that sound." They did, however, say that their Rivage preamps (in the hella-expensive RPio boxes) were great. Gosh, for a $100,000 touring console, you'd hope so...
Who tf uses the stock presets ??? 🤣🤣🤣
They are a good starting point for people who dont have eq knowledge .
I wouldn’t give Yamaha the steam of a boiling turd. I will Never buy Yamaha equipment ever again.
Both are shit. Buy a CL5 at minimum or Digico
I don't think people with CL5 money would be interested in either of those. Pro rider vs. Getting started boards