FSmash for ZSS is borderline unusable. Up Smash and Down Smash are both really useful though. EDIT: Literally the only time FSmash is better than Up B that I can think of is if you 2-frame someone with Down Smash, because you can tilt your fsmash downwards to follow it up, but that is way too situational for Fsmash to be considered a viable move.
"Mega Man sucks" my older brother says "He's the most complex and hype zoner out of all of them" he says Every time, I just know that he doesn't even play him well
I love the respect within the boys for this one; don't get me wrong, them bickering it hilarious, but it's refreshing to see them work together so well
Bowser is probably top tier but no shot he’s Top 5. They’re too punishable on block. Also has the issue of Up Smash being the best one but being outshone by Up B as an OoS option and Up tilt as an anti air.
Upsmash is very good nontheless. And even if it is punishable on block, you just assume we're so immensely dumb to threaten your full shield with smash attacks. Bowser has good tools to condition you to not shield. Fsmash would only be used as hard read or shield break punish, which in the latter case you can do absolutely nothing about it because strangely it's harder to mash out at 0 than it is at higher percents. If you think Bowser is about spamming smashes like there is no tomorrow without ever being smart about it then ur right
I mean heres my argument against Falcon f-smash: 19 frames startup and -27 on shield meaning they can do almost anything against you if you miss and then can probably react to it as well. down-smash: comes out 19/29 and is -19/-7 on shield meaning you can probably react and just punish it unless you are already committed to something like air-dodging or spot-dodging. up-smash: Yeah this move is insane but if including set ups into the move (which they were doing) then the move doesn't really have any of that.
@@andremorrison7626 Falcon doesn't have any setups to get a jab lock, except maybe a raw bair at 0%, because he doesn't really launch vertically with his moves.
I wanna see a series of then ranking moves and putting characters in tiers and make a point system which eventually leads to the ultimate tier list in the game
please decide first, if you want to rate the attacks isolated or as part of the characters kit. You kinda both depending on how you liked it for each character.
That and some multihit smash attacks aren't too good. Not to mention shulk can just go "first hit shield art invincibility to make the second hit not exist then smash art smash attack"
As a Roy main, up-smash might actually have some kind of use if both the scoop hitbox and the actual hitbox on the sword didn't have the girth of a toothpick. It's just one step away from Hero's up smash, honestly.
I don't main Roy, but have played him off and on. I think his Up-Smash is actually pretty good. It's a multi hit so to me it wasn't that hard to land, since you're basically like a fire wall for 11 frames that scoops anything that touches you and starts on frame 12. So to me it's really good for catching techs on platforms above you, catching normal getup from ledge, or when you put your opponent in a position where they have to land on you or go above you for some reason. Idk I think that moves is pretty good, and I've seen Kola use it a decent amount. Just not as much as F-smash of course. However D-Smash just sucks lol
Incin smash attacks are good on their own, Fsmash and Usmash can combo at low percents while being strong and Dsmash is the fastest of the "K. Rool down smash" trope while being really strong as well. But with revenge, they have the same benefits as well as being safer on shield, and doing absurdly strong
ya incin is actually really good, if he wasn't so damn slow. kinda like what they said with ganon. imagine incin but he can actually play aggressive and tech chase well
How are you coming out of f-smash at early %s? I play incin a decent amount and I don't think I've done that. I'm not saying it can't happen, but what does it combo into?.. damn, I've just convinced myself to go into the training mode while sick with covid lol
Bro what?? Zelda's smash attacks are actually pretty good imo. Down smash is quick, sends at a harsh angle and is a decent ooS option. F-Smash is obviously super good, and U-Smash is essentially a better version of Samus' usmash since its more consistent and just as safe.
I want what y'all smokin if you think the shoto's smash attacks are bad. Mixups into Fsmash, Downsmash can be comboed into/out of, it's really good it's just that they work better at lower percents, which shoto players don't need to do much cuz you land in one of their attacks you start the match at 60% anyways
Loved this video! Want to see more of this Personal opinion, Mario and aegis have the best smash attacks in the game… seeing them both outside of top 5 was a lil shocking. Other than that the general placements seemed good, really liked how they justified positions, and quickly for the sake of time
I think Ridley was also a contender for top 5 Smash attacks. Ridley F Smash is one of the best smash attacks in the game because it’s decently fast, kills early, and two frames, down smash kills early and covers so many options because it jumps and has a massive hitbo, and up smash covers platforms.
Yoshi's dsmash is really good, super fast and huge range, really good for techchasing. It sends them at a nasty angle and even the weak hit is pretty strong
I believe my smash attacks are pretty good actually, one of the first semi-combos I’ve ever learned is nair fsmash & it’s pretty good, another early one I’ve learned is Zelda’s dair up smash it kills at like 80 I believe
Strongly disagree with Falco. F-smash 2 frames, up-smash is a giant hitbox that is intangible: a great anti air, down-smash also 2 frames although is admittedly the worst of them... "Hand's off my....." Okay I take it back, that's S tier too
I actually, think Down Smash is the best Falco smash attack. It 2 frames, and sends at a disgusting angle that allows Falco to go for his amazing edgarding.
When they starting wondering whose smash attacks were bad, I was like "how is Wario not the first one that comes to mind?" Glad they got around to it eventually! I don't think there's another character out there where using tilts is literally a better choice almost universally. You basically only F-smash on shield break, U-Smash to fish for kills at high percent only if they're above you, and there's zero reason to use the worst D-Smash in the game.
Isabelle has the worst smash attacks in the game. Unusable up smash, super punishable f smash with tiny hitbox, and super fast but situational down smash.
There are like 3 decent isabelle players in my region and I can say without a shadow of a doubt, up smash is not unusable. I wouldn't call it broken, but it's pretty fast and not that easy to punish unless you have a sword.
Haha no. Up smash is amazing out of shield. F smash is ridiculously strong on a read. D smash is quite bad but it’s quick so it’s fine. If you want bad smash attacks. Look at bayonetta 💀
@@gameboyn64 it’s still an amazing out of shield option for anyone that isn’t short. Most characters are destroyed by short characters so idk if it’s fair to call it bad when most upsmashes are bad with that criteria
@@Deme_Diora666 link standing idle low profiles the move and i wouldn't call link a short character. The move also has abysmal horizontal range so any attack that don't leave you touching zelda's body is basically safe from up smash out of shield.
I would have put Aegis instead of Bowser in the top 5, simply because those moves have NO LAG! Pyra up smash is the only one that's remotely punishable, and even then you gotta have good frame data to do it. Otherwise I 100% agree with this list, which is rare because dang all of them have hot takes from time to time.
Why do u always use so few tiers I feel that there’s no harm in adding more and it helps distinguish easier I just don’t see the reason to limit to 3 tiers
For a second, I was fooled by the thumbnail and thought they didn't put my mans Bowsers smash attacks into top tier. But yeah, as soon as I saw characters with worse smash attacks in top tier I was like ain't no way it's happening 😂
@@wildberry752 it's not bad. You won't use it when you let yourself open. But first, the hitbox is gigantic, it kills everyone at 25% at ledge (stupendously strong), and the feets are transcendend meaning I cannot clank. I literally had DK side b me but although we hit at the same time, fsmash won. I got buried but the DK died 😂
Bowser realistically has 1 usable smash attack if your playing good players. Up smash is really good since most characters like to attack from above and usmash has an insane amount of armor. Fsmash and down smash are super slow and super punishable which is really bad because bowsers disadvantage is terrible
@@yeetm8176 what are you talking about. Downsmash comes out faster than Wolfs. Has more endlag, yeah, but this is a superheavy. And it does more damage than Wolfs does. And fsmash is also really good (transcendend, damage based armor, super strong)..... If you break someones shield at 0 he is dead. No matter who he is. And even good players get shieldbroken.... top level not so much but it still happens.
I thought this list could use some technicality categorying. Best tier has at least 1 broken smash with the rest being 'reliable' smashes or all reliable. Fine tier has 1 broken, only 1 nonreliable/'bad' smash, at most 2 reliable with lesser smashes, or all ok. Forgettable has no broken, at most 2 ok with lesser smashes.
I understand this take tbh. I get it, it made him more monstrous. But personally, I'm glad his monstrous moves/design is slowly leaving his smash kit design. Cuz despite how he looks, he's actually a (somewhat) refined character
Not a bad list, though it's pretty clear that the boys haven't fought a good Jiggs before. F-Smash is very strong and can be used out of a sing or a read, while D-Smash can 2 frame and sends at a really weird angle. She probably has the worst up smash in the game, but it's still pretty good vs light characters.
It's your job to talk about smash attacks so I can sit here and think about the fact that it's your job to talk about smash attacks, its amazing that this somehow generates money
It’s the startup frames on all of them, and the end lag. The only uses for his smash attacks is up smash to someone landing on platform / above you. His f tilt tipper basically does the same thing as his f smash but better.
@@CaptainNabber Down smash also breaks shields, and he gets use out of fsmash if side-b detonates on someone in a bad position - and then up smash covers even more ground Like I said, I get that they're slow, but he does have use for them.
@@theillusionist1494 byleth down smash is still way more consistent at getting shield breaks than seph tho. I would still say hers are better. The tipper on byleths f smash is still just as good as sephs but is far less punishable on shield at the tipper range.
@@beybl7869 Full version. We were playing on final destination. The captain Falcon was at 88% and I ran forwards and up smashed and he fell out of it 4 times in a row
@@kookio4284 Jesus Christ, that must have been some falcon dash back hurtbox shifting shenanigans. I play gunner as well, and I don't have people fall out THAT consistently... You have my condolences
You’re right, i think wolfs are used more in gameplay. However, Bowser’s has more ways to take a stock rather than smash attacks; nevertheless, bowser smash attacks are incredibly broken (super armor, shield break and invincibility) landing any of those puts you in a terrible situation regardless of %. Most of the times landing one means stock taken either by follow up, edge guard, ledge trap or even taking stocks from 50%
If you could have 1 insanely good Smash attack and be top 5 then Falcon would've been up there for sure. I just feel like the characters they chose for top 5 are good because all of their Smash attacks are good as opposed to having just 1 insanely broken one.
I’m amazed that Ivysaur wasn’t in BEST Forward smash is broken, down smash is really nice and up smash disintegrates anything trying to land or if they’re on platform
Cool things about Mac's smash attacks. Uafsmash can be a combo started at times if you get the zoom in. It's also just a great anti air especially if they try an aggressive option. It can be a combo ender off of uair. Fsmash just kills and can be a combo ender off of fair and it can catch rolls on tech chases. Dafsmash break shield, does a lot of percent and can set up tech chases kinda. Up smash is amazing at hurtbox shifting. Like if pika does a rising fair, nair or bair on his shield you can up smash and duck under it to punish. Also a great anti air. Can have some niche frame traps if you get the zoom, it can be a combo ender off of utilt, uair and fair at times. It can hit people hanging on ledge and can be used for ledge trapping. It also can catch tech options on platforms. Down smash can catch some recoveries, can two frame, can be used for ledge trapping at times and can be used for tech chases. Also super armor in general has some usages against agressive options and some more stuff that I won't get into.
I think mii swordfighter is a little underestimated, as you can cancel fair into both up smash and f smash, although f smash is a bit outclassed by f tilt and dash attack, and down smash is pretty good at catching the ledge and a good alternative if you don't have hero spin OOS. Not amazing, but IDK about worst in the game.
Rip, Plant's other smash attacks are good too, down smash low profiles and 2-frames (some characters it doesn't 2-frame), and forward smash is dummy strong and reels back so it can be a whiff punish.
Tbh lucas’ smash attacks should be in fine. F-smash has a reflector but it starts pretty slow so you have to read someone or stand far away to actually react to it. D-smash hits people even before the 2-frame and it’s safe against some chars but sometimes it only hits the second or first hit on shield and then you get punished for it. Up-smash is so slow that you can hit the i-frames and still have enough time to do whatever you want to lucas and you could probably even punish lucas across stage with incineroar.
When judging smash attacks:
Esam: in a vacuum
Marss: in that character
Wadi: “I got hit by that once”
“And it really hurt”
Lmao
*SO TRUE*
"who in ultimate has BAD smash attacks?"
Marss, instantly taking the opportunity: BOY DO I HAVE THE CHARCTER FOR YOU!
FSmash for ZSS is borderline unusable. Up Smash and Down Smash are both really useful though.
EDIT: Literally the only time FSmash is better than Up B that I can think of is if you 2-frame someone with Down Smash, because you can tilt your fsmash downwards to follow it up, but that is way too situational for Fsmash to be considered a viable move.
People calling ZSS bad have no sense of humor lol
@@craigmoon2121 i have seen marss hit that exact 2-frame and go for fsmash only for the opponent to fall out despite fsmash being angled down
@@Winter-cb6gh Character is trash, but we love her anyway
Would really love to see more of this in the future! Them arguing about opinions is really enjoyable to me :)
yes
Yes
Except ESAMs opinions are always the worst.
Your profile picture took me a full minute to comprehend
Deep breathing is 12.2 seconds, so wadi was pretty damn close
That's that old man intuition coming in handy
Yeah I always forget he used to main Wii fit
@@noahyoon865 He never mained Wii Fit. He just plays them sometimes.
10:42 you guys forgot the amazing "downsmash can now 2frame" buff, but dont worry, all four Megaman players forgot it too
I didn't :)
Why bother with that when you have fsmash?
@@Alibaba-id1cs mix up that does a lot more dmg. MM down smash is really strong.
"Mega Man sucks" my older brother says
"He's the most complex and hype zoner out of all of them" he says
Every time, I just know that he doesn't even play him well
@@survivorofthecurse717 complex, I guess. But he isn't hype. He's boring as fuck
Mario's Smash Attacks are absurd, as all of them are super useful
Very true
GnW's is also up there
Mario's are soo good
mario smash attacks make me lose my faith in this game
Doctor marios are strictly better
I love the respect within the boys for this one; don't get me wrong, them bickering it hilarious, but it's refreshing to see them work together so well
This is one of the few videos where these guys agreed on so much. This is genuinely wholesome.
Bowser is probably top tier but no shot he’s Top 5. They’re too punishable on block. Also has the issue of Up Smash being the best one but being outshone by Up B as an OoS option and Up tilt as an anti air.
Upsmash is very good nontheless. And even if it is punishable on block, you just assume we're so immensely dumb to threaten your full shield with smash attacks. Bowser has good tools to condition you to not shield.
Fsmash would only be used as hard read or shield break punish, which in the latter case you can do absolutely nothing about it because strangely it's harder to mash out at 0 than it is at higher percents.
If you think Bowser is about spamming smashes like there is no tomorrow without ever being smart about it then ur right
Im a bowser main and I agree, I think they should have put wolf instead
@@juane.6827 me too and I agree , wolfs are just too fast and safe for bowser to compete
I am really surprised that no one called out Esam for being a Pikachu main saying Falcon smash attacks are bad.
True nothing hits the rat
I mean heres my argument against Falcon
f-smash: 19 frames startup and -27 on shield meaning they can do almost anything against you if you miss and then can probably react to it as well.
down-smash: comes out 19/29 and is -19/-7 on shield meaning you can probably react and just punish it unless you are already committed to something like air-dodging or spot-dodging.
up-smash: Yeah this move is insane but if including set ups into the move (which they were doing) then the move doesn't really have any of that.
My argument for Falcon f-smash is this: If I jab lock lock, you're dead at 30%
@@andremorrison7626
Falcon doesn't have any setups to get a jab lock, except maybe a raw bair at 0%, because he doesn't really launch vertically with his moves.
@@andremorrison7626 How are you getting jab locks with falcon? gentlemen to opponent puts their controller down true combo?
Damn you could make a drinking game out of taking a shot every time ESAM says the word broken lol
you'd die of alcohol poisoning
WaDi was almost exactly right, Deep Breathing lasts for 12.2 seconds
Let's go Wadi
I wanna see a series of then ranking moves and putting characters in tiers and make a point system which eventually leads to the ultimate tier list in the game
Wolf’s down smash got nerfed twice and it’s just as good as before.
Wii fit’s deep breathing can last 12.4 seconds or less depending on how fresh it is. It refreshes after being KO’d or after 40 seconds.
please decide first, if you want to rate the attacks isolated or as part of the characters kit. You kinda both depending on how you liked it for each character.
They all fangirling over Quid's downsmash was too pure
It was perfectly spaced, he channeled Leo for that one.
@@brain_tonic it was crazy cuz he hadnt done that like at all before it so there was no way to really anticipate it unless you were god
Pit has the fastest combined smash attacks in the game and you can combo into all of them
Yeah but they are just like pit. Good, but just too honest.
They're fast, but they're not comparatively that strong, so I think that balances it.
Pit is basically where Smash Ultimate's Dalton Line resides.
That and some multihit smash attacks aren't too good. Not to mention shulk can just go "first hit shield art invincibility to make the second hit not exist then smash art smash attack"
I love this type of video with these guys. Keep em coming!
As a Roy main, up-smash might actually have some kind of use if both the scoop hitbox and the actual hitbox on the sword didn't have the girth of a toothpick. It's just one step away from Hero's up smash, honestly.
yeah his smash attacks high key kinda suck besides f smash
I don't main Roy, but have played him off and on. I think his Up-Smash is actually pretty good. It's a multi hit so to me it wasn't that hard to land, since you're basically like a fire wall for 11 frames that scoops anything that touches you and starts on frame 12. So to me it's really good for catching techs on platforms above you, catching normal getup from ledge, or when you put your opponent in a position where they have to land on you or go above you for some reason. Idk I think that moves is pretty good, and I've seen Kola use it a decent amount. Just not as much as F-smash of course. However D-Smash just sucks lol
Ridley f-smash pretty good
Incin smash attacks are good on their own, Fsmash and Usmash can combo at low percents while being strong and Dsmash is the fastest of the "K. Rool down smash" trope while being really strong as well. But with revenge, they have the same benefits as well as being safer on shield, and doing absurdly strong
ya incin is actually really good, if he wasn't so damn slow. kinda like what they said with ganon. imagine incin but he can actually play aggressive and tech chase well
How are you coming out of f-smash at early %s? I play incin a decent amount and I don't think I've done that. I'm not saying it can't happen, but what does it combo into?.. damn, I've just convinced myself to go into the training mode while sick with covid lol
Snake up tilt is the best up smash in the game
True 🤣
I appreciate how mars and esam both are wearing blue shirts in front of a green screen
Shoto up smash is only invincible during frames 9-12 and only in the arm so esam was very wrong
Bro what?? Zelda's smash attacks are actually pretty good imo. Down smash is quick, sends at a harsh angle and is a decent ooS option. F-Smash is obviously super good, and U-Smash is essentially a better version of Samus' usmash since its more consistent and just as safe.
I want what y'all smokin if you think the shoto's smash attacks are bad. Mixups into Fsmash, Downsmash can be comboed into/out of, it's really good it's just that they work better at lower percents, which shoto players don't need to do much cuz you land in one of their attacks you start the match at 60% anyways
Ah thanks. I'll be sure to follow ur opinions over the gods up stairs
@@zelirious4504 none of the "gods upstairs" play any of the shoto's at all.
That's in the context of the characters though, the attacks themselves are still meh those characters can just use them well.
Loved this video! Want to see more of this
Personal opinion, Mario and aegis have the best smash attacks in the game… seeing them both outside of top 5 was a lil shocking. Other than that the general placements seemed good, really liked how they justified positions, and quickly for the sake of time
Love these videos. Hope those 3 do too cause this is fun to watch
I think Ridley was also a contender for top 5 Smash attacks. Ridley F Smash is one of the best smash attacks in the game because it’s decently fast, kills early, and two frames, down smash kills early and covers so many options because it jumps and has a massive hitbo, and up smash covers platforms.
As one of the few fans of both fire emblem and smash, I appreciate the editor using Lucina-Marth for Marth
Yoshi's dsmash is really good, super fast and huge range, really good for techchasing. It sends them at a nasty angle and even the weak hit is pretty strong
I feel Corrin Down Smash is a bit underrated. The backside tipper of that thing kills hard.
Up Smash is definitely "meh" though.
fun villager fact: upsmash true combos into axe for absolutely no reason
Marth tipper kills at 50% or below
I really liked this discussion! I want more videos like this
I cant with these character images added by the editor. Ness was an actual ape and Corrin just had feet I'm in shambles
I believe my smash attacks are pretty good actually, one of the first semi-combos I’ve ever learned is nair fsmash & it’s pretty good, another early one I’ve learned is Zelda’s dair up smash it kills at like 80 I believe
Ooooh a three person tier list. I like this
Strongly disagree with Falco. F-smash 2 frames, up-smash is a giant hitbox that is intangible: a great anti air, down-smash also 2 frames although is admittedly the worst of them... "Hand's off my....." Okay I take it back, that's S tier too
I actually, think Down Smash is the best Falco smash attack. It 2 frames, and sends at a disgusting angle that allows Falco to go for his amazing edgarding.
Robin would have such a broken neutral if Levin Sword DIDNT BRAKE, yknow, like ANY OTHER SWORD FROM FE CHARACTERS IN SMASH
19:38 my man said "infantaneously"
*19:35
When they starting wondering whose smash attacks were bad, I was like "how is Wario not the first one that comes to mind?" Glad they got around to it eventually! I don't think there's another character out there where using tilts is literally a better choice almost universally. You basically only F-smash on shield break, U-Smash to fish for kills at high percent only if they're above you, and there's zero reason to use the worst D-Smash in the game.
falco's legs are intangible during his upsmash
I like the crazy images that were blended in.
Them: Who has bad smash attacks
Me a Mii swordfighter player: 😭
Isabelle has the worst smash attacks in the game. Unusable up smash, super punishable f smash with tiny hitbox, and super fast but situational down smash.
There are like 3 decent isabelle players in my region and I can say without a shadow of a doubt, up smash is not unusable. I wouldn't call it broken, but it's pretty fast and not that easy to punish unless you have a sword.
Haha no. Up smash is amazing out of shield. F smash is ridiculously strong on a read. D smash is quite bad but it’s quick so it’s fine. If you want bad smash attacks. Look at bayonetta 💀
Have you seen zelda's up smash? Just about every character can low profile it and it doesn't even hit battlefield platforms until frame 34
@@gameboyn64 it’s still an amazing out of shield option for anyone that isn’t short. Most characters are destroyed by short characters so idk if it’s fair to call it bad when most upsmashes are bad with that criteria
@@Deme_Diora666 link standing idle low profiles the move and i wouldn't call link a short character. The move also has abysmal horizontal range so any attack that don't leave you touching zelda's body is basically safe from up smash out of shield.
Pit is how I found out about smash attacks and I think Marth is better then Lucina by a landslide for me atleast
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Zss with shiek forward smash would almost be a functional character
I would have put Aegis instead of Bowser in the top 5, simply because those moves have NO LAG! Pyra up smash is the only one that's remotely punishable, and even then you gotta have good frame data to do it. Otherwise I 100% agree with this list, which is rare because dang all of them have hot takes from time to time.
Pyra f smash is really laggy, the problem is the range and power
Would love to see this with tilts, recoverys etc.
Sonic's F-smash is the best. It even sent Mario to Minecraft.
Im so happy that lucas is high in the tierlist
It only took me like a minute to recognize the bg music from Kirby Airride during a special event in city trial. At least i think so
17:40 Wadi was close, the wiki says its 12.2 seconds for wii fit deep breathing
i personally think sora got top 5 over bowser for the reasons marss mentioned plus d smash has invincibility
Why do u always use so few tiers I feel that there’s no harm in adding more and it helps distinguish easier I just don’t see the reason to limit to 3 tiers
I would have contested kazuya in the top 5 smash attacks, they are so ridiculous and so easy to combo into
And a solid 50% of he time you can cheese through move cause armor
I think they can be comboed into because kazuya has dumb combos
ESAM at 19:33 needs to be a meme template
Bro they out here using Phantasy Star Online music from the GameCube like WHAT
For a second, I was fooled by the thumbnail and thought they didn't put my mans Bowsers smash attacks into top tier.
But yeah, as soon as I saw characters with worse smash attacks in top tier I was like ain't no way it's happening 😂
Yeah his only "bad" smash attack is f smash because of the heavy end lag but at least is strong
@@wildberry752 it's not bad. You won't use it when you let yourself open. But first, the hitbox is gigantic, it kills everyone at 25% at ledge (stupendously strong), and the feets are transcendend meaning I cannot clank. I literally had DK side b me but although we hit at the same time, fsmash won. I got buried but the DK died 😂
RACCOON PROFILE PIC 🥰
@@ohjonny95 i know its not necessarily bad i just don't think its his best smash attack
#1 Little Mac
#2 G&W
#3 Min Min
#4 Olimar
#5 Bowser/Mario
But hey, that's just my take.
Bowser realistically has 1 usable smash attack if your playing good players. Up smash is really good since most characters like to attack from above and usmash has an insane amount of armor. Fsmash and down smash are super slow and super punishable which is really bad because bowsers disadvantage is terrible
@@yeetm8176 what are you talking about. Downsmash comes out faster than Wolfs. Has more endlag, yeah, but this is a superheavy. And it does more damage than Wolfs does. And fsmash is also really good (transcendend, damage based armor, super strong).....
If you break someones shield at 0 he is dead. No matter who he is. And even good players get shieldbroken.... top level not so much but it still happens.
@@ohjonny95 does bowser's dsmash 2 frame? That would make it 100% better than wolf's cuz that's what most the wolf's use it for
@@sullivanish as a bowser main, I can tell you it does not.
@@sullivanish afaik it doesnt, most Bowsers either downtilt or ftilt at ledge
I thought this list could use some technicality categorying. Best tier has at least 1 broken smash with the rest being 'reliable' smashes or all reliable. Fine tier has 1 broken, only 1 nonreliable/'bad' smash, at most 2 reliable with lesser smashes, or all ok. Forgettable has no broken, at most 2 ok with lesser smashes.
Esam: “Marth slander Marth slander Marth slander 5 tiers under lucina whoooo”
Me: 😐 I thought you were smart tho
Love the big boss for snake and lucina for marth. Adds to the confusion
I kinda miss Bowsers head-butt foward-smash from Melee and Brawl….as well as his jab, they used to be claw swipes
I understand this take tbh. I get it, it made him more monstrous. But personally, I'm glad his monstrous moves/design is slowly leaving his smash kit design. Cuz despite how he looks, he's actually a (somewhat) refined character
Not a bad list, though it's pretty clear that the boys haven't fought a good Jiggs before.
F-Smash is very strong and can be used out of a sing or a read, while D-Smash can 2 frame and sends at a really weird angle.
She probably has the worst up smash in the game, but it's still pretty good vs light characters.
I agree the only thing I have to say is that heros up smash exists so yeah. But it's nice to know someone knows puff smash attacks are ok.
It's your job to talk about smash attacks so I can sit here and think about the fact that it's your job to talk about smash attacks, its amazing that this somehow generates money
I think the best ones are the ones you can spam without getting punished
Kinda like olimar
Lil Mac F Smash be like
Not always. How rewarding they are is also a key factor.
They need a new update to nerf all DLC characters except plant and banjo
dont toon links use fsmash to 2frame sometimes?
F tilt is mostly used to 2-frame. Also down smash can 2-frame. I don't think f smash hits low enough.
@@teacup2686 yeah im looking into it and you its not 2 frame its some ledge hangs like charizard so the bad ledge hangs my bad
i haven’t watch the video but anything with these three bangs
i was waiting the entire video for wadi's footage to be corrupted
Can I get a bigger content area with less background? It’s impossible to see what they’re looking at on mobile.
Love this kind of video 😁😁😁😁
I understand that Sephiroth's smash attacks are slow, but they're also ENORMOUS and I am in shock they all unanimously agreed they're just fine
It’s the startup frames on all of them, and the end lag. The only uses for his smash attacks is up smash to someone landing on platform / above you. His f tilt tipper basically does the same thing as his f smash but better.
@@CaptainNabber Down smash also breaks shields, and he gets use out of fsmash if side-b detonates on someone in a bad position - and then up smash covers even more ground
Like I said, I get that they're slow, but he does have use for them.
@@theillusionist1494 if you play the mu right Seph almost never gets shield breaks
@@Deme_Diora666 You could make the same argument for Byleth, but they’re still considered some of the best.
@@theillusionist1494 byleth down smash is still way more consistent at getting shield breaks than seph tho. I would still say hers are better. The tipper on byleths f smash is still just as good as sephs but is far less punishable on shield at the tipper range.
These are the best panda videos!
8:15 [Insert Rachel rant about Hero's upsmash]
They need more tiers than just 3
Marss tryna piss off Rachel talking smack about hero like that
Had a match as Mii Gunner against a Falcon where my Up-smash failed four times in a row. It the attack doesn’t work. LOL
Would this be the full version of the smash attack? Or the "I used the move while under a platform" version of the smash attack?
@@beybl7869 Full version. We were playing on final destination. The captain Falcon was at 88% and I ran forwards and up smashed and he fell out of it 4 times in a row
@@kookio4284 Jesus Christ, that must have been some falcon dash back hurtbox shifting shenanigans. I play gunner as well, and I don't have people fall out THAT consistently... You have my condolences
Fun fact. Kirby’s forward smash is faster than mythra’s
and stronger. and huge. and pretty safe. and does a lot of damage. and is a combo ender. and low profiles. and-
you get the idea.
Min min, G&W, Olimar, Little Mac, Bowser
I think that's the order they should be in
Bowsers are definitely top tier but not top 5. I’d argue Wolfs are overall better and I see them being used a lot more than Bowsers.
You’re right, i think wolfs are used more in gameplay. However, Bowser’s has more ways to take a stock rather than smash attacks; nevertheless, bowser smash attacks are incredibly broken (super armor, shield break and invincibility) landing any of those puts you in a terrible situation regardless of %. Most of the times landing one means stock taken either by follow up, edge guard, ledge trap or even taking stocks from 50%
Sonic's f-smash is busted.
But the other two suck.
Yo I hear that PSO shop music, That's so sick.
Bro you can’t tell me Wolf is not top 5 in Smash Attacks. I could probably do nothing but spam down smash in a match and win.
If you could have 1 insanely good Smash attack and be top 5 then Falcon would've been up there for sure.
I just feel like the characters they chose for top 5 are good because all of their Smash attacks are good as opposed to having just 1 insanely broken one.
They got it wrong, Ultimate is where bayo's smash attacks are transcendent but only to aerials while smash 4 clanks with everything
Young Link bias/Toon Link bad
Both are good
true
I’m amazed that Ivysaur wasn’t in BEST
Forward smash is broken, down smash is really nice and up smash disintegrates anything trying to land or if they’re on platform
“You know who’s not forgettable, the panda boys”
WHERE THE FUCK IS MY BOY Z???
I think GnW's smash attacks are better than olimars and i think you guys didn't talk enough about mario
Cool things about Mac's smash attacks. Uafsmash can be a combo started at times if you get the zoom in. It's also just a great anti air especially if they try an aggressive option. It can be a combo ender off of uair. Fsmash just kills and can be a combo ender off of fair and it can catch rolls on tech chases. Dafsmash break shield, does a lot of percent and can set up tech chases kinda. Up smash is amazing at hurtbox shifting. Like if pika does a rising fair, nair or bair on his shield you can up smash and duck under it to punish. Also a great anti air. Can have some niche frame traps if you get the zoom, it can be a combo ender off of utilt, uair and fair at times. It can hit people hanging on ledge and can be used for ledge trapping. It also can catch tech options on platforms. Down smash can catch some recoveries, can two frame, can be used for ledge trapping at times and can be used for tech chases. Also super armor in general has some usages against agressive options and some more stuff that I won't get into.
Yes I also watch peanut lol
LM Super Armor beats into literally anything that's not a command grab.
12:27 anyone know the name of the song playing here?
I’d say my top five in order is Olimar, Little Mac, Game & Watch, Min Min, then Wolf or Sora.
There is a little part of me that misses ganon’s old up smash from 4. That thing was not okay.
I think mii swordfighter is a little underestimated, as you can cancel fair into both up smash and f smash, although f smash is a bit outclassed by f tilt and dash attack, and down smash is pretty good at catching the ledge and a good alternative if you don't have hero spin OOS. Not amazing, but IDK about worst in the game.
As a mii sword main, I think his smash attacks are epitome of
"Garbage in a vacuum, but works in his kit"
Rip, Plant's other smash attacks are good too, down smash low profiles and 2-frames (some characters it doesn't 2-frame), and forward smash is dummy strong and reels back so it can be a whiff punish.
Tbh lucas’ smash attacks should be in fine.
F-smash has a reflector but it starts pretty slow so you have to read someone or stand far away to actually react to it.
D-smash hits people even before the 2-frame and it’s safe against some chars but sometimes it only hits the second or first hit on shield and then you get punished for it.
Up-smash is so slow that you can hit the i-frames and still have enough time to do whatever you want to lucas and you could probably even punish lucas across stage with incineroar.
Sora has no sour spot foward smash & it’s impossible to punish he’s definitely got the best smash attacks out of any DLC