You say that as if all black men are getting with non-black women. Even then, I'm certain that most of the time it isn't about how their kids will look. People like who they like. Simple. You are not making sense.
Aww, look at you throwing insults now that you're losing the argument! How adorable. And no, you are not making sense. Side question: What is your ethnicity?
1.Dangerous is my personal favorite and I feel was him at his creative peak 2. Off The Wall may be his best all around album... Definitely his best produced album 3. Thriller is his most versatile and every song was damn near a hit 4. Bad was his peak as a solo pop star 5. History was his deepest and heaviest album... Very lyrical too 6. Invincible was great vocally... He was singing like crazy on that album
@@eph_loves_80s74 Mike's Bad Tour was the highest grossing tour he ever did and we really got to see Mike take it a step further with his singing and dancing during the Bad era. Just look at his dancing skills in the Smooth Criminal video and his all around singing on the Bad album. Also, the Bad era was the era when he got labeled the King of Pop. He solidified himself big time in the music industry in that era.
Pepsta Lynn Michael was called king before the Bad era even arrived. Thriller is when he was on top of the world. 1983 the whole world already knew him before the Bad album even came out. He was everywhere in 1983. MTV,Friday Night Videos, BET, Video Soul, Rock and Soul Magazine, Billboard Magazine, JET Magazine etc. Michael Mania came. And don’t say Michael mania was in America in 84. Michael Mania was around the world in 84. Americans got tired of Thriller in 85 which is another reason why he didn’t win an American Music Award in 85 but every other countries still went on about Thriller. People outside of America rode high on Thriller longer than Americans.
@@eph_loves_80s74 If he got labeled King of Pop during the Thriller era then it must've not have been said globally like it was when the Bad era came into play. Mike even said himself in the 93 Oprah Winfrey interview that King of Pop was first said by Elizabeth Taylor at an awards show in 1989.
Off The Wall was Spectacular but Thriller pushed Michael Jackson's creativity to another level. In terms of making songs and film-like music videos, MJ did it on a different level. Lord Jamar speaks nothing but truth in this. One of my jobs is being an MJ Tribute artist and really do look like MJ from the Off The Wall era and sometimes the Thriller Era. In my line of work, most MJ tribute artists are white. I'm literally one of the few Black MJ tribute artists. The fact I look like young MJ actually makes me more successful than the rest. If it wasn't for me being proud of my race and not surgically enhancing myself to look more like the less black looking MJ's out there, I wouldn't be as successful as I am. Embrace your culture people. Black is Beautiful.
off the wall was like that awesome scene in movies when the hero first discovers his super power (montage) and thriller is the scene when he fights the villian
That is right. Let's not forget the difference is James Bond is a FICTIONAL CHARACTER. Michael Jackson, on the other hand, is a REAL fucking human being. White folks have no respect.
@@MusicMatic707 nah white people wouldnt be quiet after that, theyd pull up with the same usual thing saying stuff like ''why do you always make it about race? my neighbor is black''
I definitely prefer Thriller but Vlad needs to get off that "it's the greatest selling record" shit every time he debates the albums. Sales have no place in a better album talk. Go on about how every song was a jam, how it's mostly flawless aside from The Girl Is Mine, how adventurous it was with the reinventions of genres, how it took the Off the Wall prototype and perfected it. Who cares which album sold more? Thriller is the better album because it's more consistently great track by track. But Lord Jamar is right in saying that there'd be no Thriller without Off the Wall.
Exactly, when I debate about something such as albums, video games, or movies I don’t give a fuck about the success it made I care about the actual quality
Off The Wall is leaps and bounds better than Thriller. Thriller was more pop which translates to mainstream. Off The Wall was more soulful, which translates to urban. MJ himself stated that creatively, he was more comfortable with Off The Wall. But I fuck with both.
I'm not on either side lol. They're both buggin'. Burn this Disco Out is one of the livest songs on Off the Wall and one of my favorite closing tracks of any album. And Lord Jamar dismissing Billie Jean as just "iight"? Nah.
C'mon Jamar..."I Can't Help It" is the gem on "Off The Wall" album written by Stevie Wonder...and you were humming the break to "Blame It On The Boogie"
I mean it's not like Thriller was a flop,blk folks loved Billie Jean. I mean what blk man can't relate to a woman trying to put a baby on em lmao. MJ was timeless
+Zocky It was funny to me, I wasn't seeking nobody's approval. My point was Jamar said "Thriller" was relatable to black folks as if MJ didn't tackle real subjects, and I don't know about you or where you're from but what I've seen in my life are some lying ass Billie Jeans who will put a baby on a man that's not his. Trust me it happens
+Billy Jenkins Well u act as if that stuff only happens with black women. I think that we as a people have to be more careful about airing our dirty linen in public... making these kinds of comments because there are others who take these comments and use them against you to try to bring you down and promote certain stereotypes... maybe it's more of a ghetto thing than a black thing but i think a comment like that is degrading to black women
Off the Wall is more soulful. The reason why Thriller and Bad were well received because fans also connected with Michael Jackson's art. The artistic videos and dance took those songs to another level. It gave the songs a little more life and interpretation with the videos. For example Beat It and Bad on face value are just average crossover songs. The video is a different story. The first time we all saw Billie Jean when Michael walked on the glowing sidewalks. Legendary.
Darrien Johnson Thriller is better than Off The Wall. It’s more exciting and has the visuals no other album in history. Thriller is more groovy and fun
@Corey Ortiz Off The Wall is one of the best selling albums, first off. Also, sales or popularity don’t make an artist and/or album objectively good. Sales are defined by budget, marketing, management, content matter, genre, etc.
So bc he lightened his skin and changed his face, that changed his genetics?LOL He was still the person he was born, regardless of his appearance. He WAS born black. Omg are ppl stupid?
Exactly. Smh MJ had Vitiligo (i have the same thing) a skin condition, that in no way shape or form changes genetics. Idk wtf Vlad talking bout but he sounds stupid for that shit. & its even worse cause there is a White Actor getting ready to Star as Michael Jackson in a movie smh. The ignorance is real
+Phvkin Dope It does make sense for the scenes later on in his life I guess (if its about his whole life). But surely a black actor plays the majority of the movie because Vitiligo didn't kick into full gear until much later.
They're both great... but Thriller had everything... rock, pop, soul, quiet storm, funk... and there is nothing as electrifying as Billie Jean... however, there's also nothing as poignant and vulnerable as She's Out of My Life... both are great on their own terms... let's just leave it at that.
I dont think so...and there's nothing you can do to convince me otherwise..i love the lyrics the melody the message in the song..i dont think you've really listend to the song recently
People so like to disregard MJ's music after off the wall or thriller. Like thats when the dude was just getting started, Dangerous and History were more personal albums especially History after he went through all the media bullshit. It wasn't a commercial album more personal even though it was marketed as one because its MJ. If you're talking about pure pop gold Michael Jackson then Off the wall and Thriller is as far as you'll go But I feel MJ was more than that imo Stranger In Moscow is his best ever song, like thats actually him as an artist saying what he's going through, Who is it and They done care about us are criminally underrated but because its not the classic afro perfect pop black michael jackson everyone wants to disregard him. I'm not saying Off the wall is not his "best" album it probably is but MJ was still a great artist several albums later whether people wanna ignore it or not.
It was one of those perfect storms. A phenomenal album front to back, coupled with one of the most iconic videos of all time and all centered around one of the most popular holidays. It was like a pseudo-revolution.
+JaySavageTV he's right but to say Beat It was for white people sounds bias,becase Rock N Roll was founded by Black people..it only makes sense that it goes back to its roots.
***** absolutely he did make music for all races. But Thriller was marketed for the masses,although good songs were on it.What Jamar is talking about is how it felt. Michael certainly delivered an Album which was incredible along with Quincy Jones. The impact it had was indelible.Thriller was successful and set up because of that powerful first solo album.
Miike Hdr20 True White people do love Off The Wall but I mostly see black people enjoying it. Thriller is an album for all races. Thriller is hear everyone say it’s a great album black, white, mixrace,chines,indian,somalian,asian etc. Thriller is an album that’s for everyone
Off The Wall Michael Jackson's best album simple. No question, no debate necessary. Regardless of sales etc. The better album musically OFF THE WALL because the album was off the wall!😅
The day before a Michael Jackson album would come out I remember seeing people lined up outside the record stores wanting to be the first ones to get a copy. I've never seen that happen with any other artist.
Off the Wall was great but the Thriller album was Magic. No recording artist has ever reached the status Mike did with Thriller. This was Mike at his peak no doubt
Actually his hate made me go back an listen to both albums,Thriller runs laps over off tha wall from start to finish!! Off tha wall still tha chitt both#Classics
Song for song, THRILLER as a pop album beats OFF THE WALL. As a soulful r&b record that reflected the disco era, jazz, soul and dance it was definitely geared for a certain audience. MJ had goals to reach the world, and to transform popular music. To do that, it took, taking risk and thinking beyond the boundaries of what people called "normal". Beside all the personal things he had going on, if we focus ONLY on his music & his business mind, we see a man that is exceptionally gifted. He wanted to be #1 and he accomplished it. Period.
Leon S. Kennedy Off The Wall is more black remember that. Thriller is for everyone. Thriller has more visuals and something that was never seen or heard. Off The Wall is more Disco, Thriller is Pop,R&B, Soul, Dance Pop And Post Disco and Funk.
@@Videomaker-pz4xm Obviously because you can’t stand Thrillers success. All you MJ fans know about Thriller is sales. Instead of researching what the album did and the visuals it has, instead you all choose to know about sales
Off the wall has better music, but Thriller was the more popular album. Just like Pac's biggest album was All Eyes On me, but Me Against the world was better music.
I disagree off the wall has sum misses mostly because its a disco genere sum some songs just did not age well. Thriller just has hit after hit after hit.
+Laron Williams If I'm not mistaken Human Nature was given to MJ by the group 80's group Toto. Lord Jamar buggin tho, I cant Help it might be the best song on off the wall, plus It was written by Stevie also. Rod Temperton co wrote some songs on both albums so it kills the whole argument of it being more felt by black people tho. Lady in My Life and Baby be mine are the best songs off Thriller in my opinion but both of those songs could have easily fit on Off the wall
I love Thriller and that album made me a Michael Jackson fanatic but years later after listening to Off The Wall I can say that OTW is better than Thriller musically and sonically.
@@Videomaker-pz4xm Why are you being rude? Thriller has an artistic achievement. No Beat It or Billie Jean on Thriller. It’s obvious most fans can’t stand Thrillers success because they haven’t made research about the album, it’s not just about sales, it’s about the legacy and the story. All you fans know about Thriller is sales. Which is stupid
I don't know about that. When Bad was released in September of 1987 he was no doubt at his peak, but it certainly doesn't compare to Thriller or Off The Wall for that matter.
Why do black people continue to forget that "rock music" started from us! It is black music! Granted Thriller is more mainstream than Off The Wall but it's not any less black because of it. How Jamar gon sit up here and deny the funk, soul and blackness of "PYT", "Wanna Be Startin Something", "Baby Be Mine" and "The Lady In My Life"??? I do prefer Off The Wall but let's not act like Thriller wasn't the shit. Plus I personally believe that Michaels music remained very black throughout his life, no matter what genre he ventured into and dabbled in...there was always still an element of soul and funk either through his vocals or sonically. And why TF do people stay forgetting Bad? I prefer Bad and Off the Wall to Thriller. Bad is the edgier, mainstream cousin to Thriller but with better videos, songwriting, creativity, sonic exploration and hits. The fact that it is so underrated compared to OTW and Thriller makes me love it more
Thriller is better because it showed that a black artist can do any genre he or she can do. R&B, Funk, Disco, Rock, and Pop. No black artist did all of the above especially in one album. Off the Wall was the Album of the times, but Thriller was an album ahead of its time. It never became dated. Off the Wall unfortunately is a dated album as a whole. Thriller has more iconic, influential and innovative tracks than Off the Wall does. The production is more advanced and complex than Off the Wall. Thriller is the blue print of not just Pop music but pop culture in general. Thriller is a symbol that shows that black artists can do it all. Especially with Rock and Disco being predominantly white at that time. Thriller was both a middle finger to racism and a sledgehammer that broke the racial barrier in the fine arts and pop culture
Dnomyar Akunawik No Thriller is better. Off The Wall reached black people, Thriller reached people of all ages and races. And music artists of all genres. But Thriller is Thriller and people can say « forgot Thriller » but its impossible, it’s the album that made him a superstar and the years 1983 and 1984 was just its highest peak. Artistically other albums doesn’t have a song like Billie Jean or Beat It and he wrote a lot of songs during the Thriller sessions. Thriller won the biggest awards and became a basic album that everyone had to have. The album produced three legendary music videos: "Billie Jean," "Beat It" and "Thriller" that helped break color barriers on MTV and broke many more records. Billie Jean is on the 500 Greatest Songs Of All Time by Rolling Stone and on the 500 Singles of our lifetime by Blender, Beat It is on the 500 Greatest Songs Of All Time too, on the 500 Songs That Shaped Rock & Roll and listed on RIAA Songs of the Century. Thriller video is the only music video in music history which is Inducted into the National Film Registry of the Library of Congress and considered as the greatest music video of all time. (The album was also inducted.) Wanna Be Startin’ Somethin’ was one of his most popular and critically acclaimed songs. In addition to Thriller’s impact on music video and MTV, many musicians and performers who followed in the years after have attributed Michael and the Thriller album to be their inspiration and motivation for becoming musical artists. Michael’s vocal style on the album can be heard in the work of others such as, Usher, Justin Timberlake, Chris Brown, Beyonce, Ne-Yo, and many more. In conclusion, this album is so important and changed a lot of things. Thriller was the start of Michael Mania and everyone already knew him since then.
Mel Glo Thriller is better. It has the visuals no other album in history has. Off The Wall mostly reached black people while Thriller reached all races.
Jamar knew more songs from Thriller because it was bigger than off the wall. But that doesn't necessarily mean it's better than Off the Wall . Off The Wall is a r&b masterpiece and Thriller is a pop masterpiece. If you like r&b more you'll like off the wall if you like pop more it's probably thriller .
Off The Wall is not just R&B it's also Soul, Funk and Disco black people prefer Off The Wall than Thriller because it was the last era when his music was being marketed towards black people after Off The Wall it became about everyone else but Off The Wall is for black people
First time I highly disagree with Lord Jamar, Off The Wall is a great album from 1-5 and fall off 6-10 except for I Can't Help It. Thriller is great from Wanna Be Startin Somethin to The Lady In My Life. Every song on Thriller could've been a video.
13:35 - Lord Jamar needs to explain about black people not wanting to dress up like Michael Jackson during the Thriller album. Once Thriller was released, EVERYONE WORE the Billie Jean, Beat It, or Thriller jacket. EVERYBODY in the States. From black people to white people to latinos to native americans. So, I'm confused when he said "live" brothas weren't feeling MJ during Thriller.
The Making of Thriller actually made the Thriller Album popular and biggest selling. The actual footage behind the scenes was bigger than all the songs. Off the wall was hot!
Jammar was bugging about I Can't Help It being merely "aight". That joint was some straight lover, have a baby with your girl type shit. De La Soul turned that joint into a classic.
I agree with Lamar Jamar that Off The Wall was his most acclaimed album. Just as far as the Quincy Jones and Michael Jackson's stamp and Brand.That Album was stupendous for both of them.The Black community embraced it and mainstream as well. It was a progressive in the sense of taking a so called Bull Gum young superstar,and ascending him into adult hood in the music world ,was an indelible transformation musically for his career. Thriller was just complimentary which subsequented the success of that album.Plus the world already started to change once that Album came out.Maybe not in sales,but as far as the musical choices.,made Off The Wall to me one of his greatest efforts. He never sounded like that again. Although Michael made wonderful albums after that,but from A-to Z I LOVED ALL THE SONGS ON Off The Wall.R.I.P MJ
I can't lie Thriller & Off the Wall are pretty neck to neck! The Off the wall song from the album is my favorite on that album. It was so soulful I've never heard Michael sing that good like on that album! His vocals were inhumane!
I can see Lord Jamar's point. Off the Wall feels distinctly planted in black culture of the time. The tracks from this album are tracks you could dance to in the club. Thriller saw Michael's transcendence into another realm. You could enjoy Thriller and Beat It and share in the spectacle of both. However, you were really dancing to both of those songs in the same way as the songs from Off the Wall. I see his point. Though, if you listen to both albums side by side one might enjoy Thriller better. Those songs from Thriller feel larger in scope.
In a way he's not lying. I love the Thriller album, but recently when I first heard all of the songs on the Off the Wall album I fell in love with it. So I love Thriller but I LOVE Off the Wall even more.
Its hard to compare Off the wall with Thriller just for the fact that it was two seperate decades, Michael Jackson has always been original, so to label his later music white isnt really accurate, Jamar says the industry pushed the songs on to the people, but it was the people that chose to accept the music, and to buy the album, 80s pop was bigger than alot of other genres, for record sales, its fair to say that Michael Jackson went pop more than soul, but pop music had both black and white at the time.
I love fucking Thriller and it was a great album, but off the wall knocks it out of the water. I can listen to that album straight and fall in love with each song over and over again. People didn't want to be like thriller michael jackson??? Bullfuckingshit! My older bro, who's an 80s baby can tell me countless stories of kids wanting thriller jackets, moonwalking and shit. Hell even BAD was legendary back then. And beat it was a great fucking song. Lord jamar is fucking tripping on this one. Some of the shit Jamar says at times can be real ignorant.
Michael Jackson was a co-composer of "Off The Wall" and "Rock With You" with Rod Temperton who was a keyboardist and leader or co-leader of the late 1970s group, Heatwave, and was a white man born in Cleethorpes, England. However, I still totally get Lord Jamar's points with respect to the 2 M.J. albums discussed.
At first I thought Off The Wall was better.... but I had to look back at not only the impact of Thriller, but the innovative sonic sounds of thriller, to the dance moves it incorporates to the music videos. There's no way Off The Wall is better than Thriller. Billie Jean is like one of the greatest songs of all time! To me ( and to Rolling Stones Magazine😉) Off The Wall is still a classical disco/ funk album! But Thriller sorry :)
Man these people are ignorant. "Rock With You", "Off the Wall", "Burn This Disco Out", "Baby Be Mine", "The Lady in My Life", "Thriller" all written by a white guy.
Idk why people still talk about mj skin color like it’s not a known fact he had a skin condition. Vlad speaking on it casually gives a false narrative. The coroner confirmed it... Stacey Dash came out recently and said sh was an addict for many years and had a lot of self loathing. So she should be given grace for the things she’s said.
"Why would I want a white kid playing me? I am a black man. A proud black man"
-Michael Jackson
one sided loyalty is for suckas ...What are you talking about?
Explain how we "hate the image" of ourselves.
You say that as if all black men are getting with non-black women.
Even then, I'm certain that most of the time it isn't about how their kids will look. People like who they like. Simple.
You are not making sense.
Aww, look at you throwing insults now that you're losing the argument!
How adorable.
And no, you are not making sense.
Side question: What is your ethnicity?
@@idontknow4319 what's yours?
" I Can't Help It" it is one of the most sampled songs by Hip Hop artist and one of the best songs on Off The Wall
Written By Stevie Wonder & Susanne Greene
One of the best songs on the album
Love that song
@@jakegargiulo5101 the best imo
Song is incredible
1.Dangerous is my personal favorite and I feel was him at his creative peak
2. Off The Wall may be his best all around album... Definitely his best produced album
3. Thriller is his most versatile and every song was damn near a hit
4. Bad was his peak as a solo pop star
5. History was his deepest and heaviest album... Very lyrical too
6. Invincible was great vocally... He was singing like crazy on that album
Marc NY Michael was at his peak in Thriller not Bad😑😑😑😑😑😑😑. Michael Mania took control by 1984.
@@eph_loves_80s74 Mike's Bad Tour was the highest grossing tour he ever did and we really got to see Mike take it a step further with his singing and dancing during the Bad era. Just look at his dancing skills in the Smooth Criminal video and his all around singing on the Bad album. Also, the Bad era was the era when he got labeled the King of Pop. He solidified himself big time in the music industry in that era.
Pepsta Lynn Michael was called king before the Bad era even arrived. Thriller is when he was on top of the world. 1983 the whole world already knew him before the Bad album even came out. He was everywhere in 1983. MTV,Friday Night Videos, BET, Video Soul, Rock and Soul Magazine, Billboard Magazine, JET Magazine etc. Michael Mania came. And don’t say Michael mania was in America in 84. Michael Mania was around the world in 84. Americans got tired of Thriller in 85 which is another reason why he didn’t win an American Music Award in 85 but every other countries still went on about Thriller. People outside of America rode high on Thriller longer than Americans.
Moonlight Princess Nope Thriller is when everyone already knew who Jackson was before the Bad album even came along
@@eph_loves_80s74 If he got labeled King of Pop during the Thriller era then it must've not have been said globally like it was when the Bad era came into play. Mike even said himself in the 93 Oprah Winfrey interview that King of Pop was first said by Elizabeth Taylor at an awards show in 1989.
Off The Wall was Spectacular but Thriller pushed Michael Jackson's creativity to another level.
In terms of making songs and film-like music videos, MJ did it on a different level.
Lord Jamar speaks nothing but truth in this.
One of my jobs is being an MJ Tribute artist and really do look like MJ from the Off The Wall era and sometimes the Thriller Era. In my line of work, most MJ tribute artists are white. I'm literally one of the few Black MJ tribute artists.
The fact I look like young MJ actually makes me more successful than the rest. If it wasn't for me being proud of my race and not surgically enhancing myself to look more like the less black looking MJ's out there, I wouldn't be as successful as I am.
Embrace your culture people. Black is Beautiful.
Thriller jus more mainstream more
You look nothing like Michael 💀your not that guy pal
@@ilovejesuschrist9793 Nah Thriller isnt just barbecue cookout music like off the wall is
off the wall was like that awesome scene in movies when the hero first discovers his super power (montage) and thriller is the scene when he fights the villian
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Sounds right I’ll give cred where it’s due
it's funny how they could have a white actor play Michael Jackson but white people go crazy when Idris Alba wants to play James Bond smfh
That is right. Let's not forget the difference is James Bond is a FICTIONAL CHARACTER. Michael Jackson, on the other hand, is a REAL fucking human being. White folks have no respect.
Parrish Aytch EXACTLY
Damn I just heard a pin drop after that one...
@@MusicMatic707 nah white people wouldnt be quiet after that, theyd pull up with the same usual thing saying stuff like ''why do you always make it about race? my neighbor is black''
MJ wanted to be perceived as a white man. That is why he bleached his skin, married a white woman and adopted white kids. Lets respect his wishes.
"thriller wasnt black enough for me" lmao jamar is ridiculous
Hahaha I think he was saying off the wall appeals more to black people and I think that's the case
I’m late, I know. But are you really that surprised? Jamar’s pro-black as fuck. He’s almost “soft-militant” about it.
I definitely prefer Thriller but Vlad needs to get off that "it's the greatest selling record" shit every time he debates the albums. Sales have no place in a better album talk. Go on about how every song was a jam, how it's mostly flawless aside from The Girl Is Mine, how adventurous it was with the reinventions of genres, how it took the Off the Wall prototype and perfected it. Who cares which album sold more? Thriller is the better album because it's more consistently great track by track. But Lord Jamar is right in saying that there'd be no Thriller without Off the Wall.
Exactly, when I debate about something such as albums, video games, or movies I don’t give a fuck about the success it made I care about the actual quality
Off The Wall is leaps and bounds better than Thriller. Thriller was more pop which translates to mainstream. Off The Wall was more soulful, which translates to urban. MJ himself stated that creatively, he was more comfortable with Off The Wall. But I fuck with both.
I'm not on either side lol. They're both buggin'. Burn this Disco Out is one of the livest songs on Off the Wall and one of my favorite closing tracks of any album. And Lord Jamar dismissing Billie Jean as just "iight"? Nah.
I agree burn this disco out is hitting though
Burn this Disco out was ight but On The Floor was the livest track off the entire album
Off The Wall artistically, was a much BETTER (and soulful) album than Thriller.
hands down
YES! And it's still fresh today! Playing thriller today will get you laughed at...
Dat_BA06_Guy No Thriller has he visuals no other album in history has. It’s more exciting and dancable
Human Nature alone beats any song from Off The Wall
Jaylin Taylor Yesssss
C'mon Jamar..."I Can't Help It" is the gem on "Off The Wall" album written by Stevie Wonder...and you were humming the break to "Blame It On The Boogie"
Lol yea I peeped that too. He didn’t know it 😂
I mean it's not like Thriller was a flop,blk folks loved Billie Jean. I mean what blk man can't relate to a woman trying to put a baby on em lmao. MJ was timeless
+Billy Jenkins Stupid comment
Zocky It would be if you're too stupid to get the context
+Billy Jenkins You mean like "what blk man can't relate to a woman trying to put a baby on em" ... that's supposed to be funny?
+Zocky It was funny to me, I wasn't seeking nobody's approval. My point was Jamar said "Thriller" was relatable to black folks as if MJ didn't tackle real subjects, and I don't know about you or where you're from but what I've seen in my life are some lying ass Billie Jeans who will put a baby on a man that's not his. Trust me it happens
+Billy Jenkins Well u act as if that stuff only happens with black women. I think that we as a people have to be more careful about airing our dirty linen in public... making these kinds of comments because there are others who take these comments and use them against you to try to bring you down and promote certain stereotypes... maybe it's more of a ghetto thing than a black thing but i think a comment like that is degrading to black women
Off the Wall is more soulful. The reason why Thriller and Bad were well received because fans also connected with Michael Jackson's art. The artistic videos and dance took those songs to another level. It gave the songs a little more life and interpretation with the videos. For example Beat It and Bad on face value are just average crossover songs. The video is a different story. The first time we all saw Billie Jean when Michael walked on the glowing sidewalks. Legendary.
Off the wall is WAY better than Thriller. Thriller is michael jackson crossing over into pop
Darrien Johnson Thriller is better than Off The Wall. It’s more exciting and has the visuals no other album in history. Thriller is more groovy and fun
Ephraim Nana Antwi okay that’s their opinion tho lol
Yess Tito said he believes thriller was I said hell naw off the wall is
@Corey Ortiz Off The Wall is one of the best selling albums, first off. Also, sales or popularity don’t make an artist and/or album objectively good. Sales are defined by budget, marketing, management, content matter, genre, etc.
Bad is better than the two.
So bc he lightened his skin and changed his face, that changed his genetics?LOL He was still the person he was born, regardless of his appearance. He WAS born black. Omg are ppl stupid?
Exactly. Smh MJ had Vitiligo (i have the same thing) a skin condition, that in no way shape or form changes genetics. Idk wtf Vlad talking bout but he sounds stupid for that shit. & its even worse cause there is a White Actor getting ready to Star as Michael Jackson in a movie smh. The ignorance is real
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+Phvkin Dope It does make sense for the scenes later on in his life I guess (if its about his whole life). But surely a black actor plays the majority of the movie because Vitiligo didn't kick into full gear until much later.
VERY STUPID!!
Agreed.. just throwing that out there.
They're both great... but Thriller had everything... rock, pop, soul, quiet storm, funk... and there is nothing as electrifying as Billie Jean... however, there's also nothing as poignant and vulnerable as She's Out of My Life... both are great on their own terms... let's just leave it at that.
wise words ....both was dope
Thank you
Stevie Wonder wrote I can't help it!!!
Show Stoppaz my favorite MJ song
Show Stoppaz and Susaye green wrote the song with Stevie
I love Jamar, but he didn't even remember that song! W o w. He thought it was Blame It On the Boogie (peep him singing it back)
Correct.
Off the Wall was most cohesive but Thriller is flawlesss.
........"The Lady In My Life" is one of the greatest songs I've ever heard
Yes! Agree 💯
Girlfriend is one of the best songs on Off the Wall
+DeAndrae Seeden That's a horrible song probably because McCartney was involved.
I dont think so...and there's nothing you can do to convince me otherwise..i love the lyrics the melody the message in the song..i dont think you've really listend to the song recently
classic
***** I personally love the whole album
+DeAndrae Seeden that song has one of the smoothest melodies I've ever heard and the way he sang it made it even better.
black people like soulful music and at some award show all michael won was soul awards and he said he wanted to win awards in other categories
People so like to disregard MJ's music after off the wall or thriller.
Like thats when the dude was just getting started, Dangerous and History were more personal albums especially History after he went through all the media bullshit. It wasn't a commercial album more personal even though it was marketed as one because its MJ. If you're talking about pure pop gold Michael Jackson then Off the wall and Thriller is as far as you'll go
But I feel MJ was more than that imo Stranger In Moscow is his best ever song, like thats actually him as an artist saying what he's going through, Who is it and They done care about us are criminally underrated but because its not the classic afro perfect pop black michael jackson everyone wants to disregard him.
I'm not saying Off the wall is not his "best" album it probably is but MJ was still a great artist several albums later whether people wanna ignore it or not.
People be sleeping on Invincible too, the beats on that album went HARD, straight R&B, I feel like that's his most "black" album next to Off the Wall
I LOVE both "Off The Wall" and "Thriller". Anything with Michael Jackson on it I LOVE. He's the King of Pop, for God's sake I can't discriminate!!!
i still be bumping "get on the floor "
Both Albums are Great But Thriller Shook The 80's.
It was one of those perfect storms. A phenomenal album front to back, coupled with one of the most iconic videos of all time and all centered around one of the most popular holidays. It was like a pseudo-revolution.
Off The Wall wasn't 80s don't compare.
All black people feel Off The Wall is better than Thriller.
Hell yeah! the production, musically Yes, Off the Wall is better.
+JaySavageTV I prefer Thriller
+JaySavageTV he's right but to say Beat It was for white people sounds bias,becase Rock N Roll was founded by Black people..it only makes sense that it goes back to its roots.
***** absolutely he did make music for all races. But Thriller was marketed for the masses,although good songs were on it.What Jamar is talking about is how it felt. Michael certainly delivered an Album which was incredible along with Quincy Jones. The impact it had was indelible.Thriller was successful and set up because of that powerful first solo album.
nah
Off the Wall is better. Thriller is whiter. Facts.
Mohammad Sufian Exactly
Emperor Psycho Thriller has the visuals no other album in history has. It’s more exciting.
"Thriller is whiter" tf
Miike Hdr20 Off The Wall is mostly for black people. Thriller is for all races....
Miike Hdr20 True White people do love Off The Wall but I mostly see black people enjoying it. Thriller is an album for all races. Thriller is hear everyone say it’s a great album black, white, mixrace,chines,indian,somalian,asian etc. Thriller is an album that’s for everyone
Off the wall wasn't weak, just raw. The rawness made it authentic. Off the wall was better to me. All of it is just a matter of opinion.
Off The Wall Michael Jackson's best album simple. No question, no debate necessary. Regardless of sales etc. The better album musically OFF THE WALL because the album was off the wall!😅
michael gayle No Thriller is Michael Jackson’s best album it has the visuals no other album in history has and it’s more exciting
MJ's Dangerous is the best album ever IMO!
Heavily slept on album
When He started fusing his sound with hiphop
That was a dope album!
I couldn't listen to the whole album of Dangerous because it wasn't that good there are only 2 good songs on it Remember The Time and Heal The World
The day before a Michael Jackson album would come out I remember seeing people lined up outside the record stores wanting to be the first ones to get a copy. I've never seen that happen with any other artist.
Off the Wall was great but the Thriller album was Magic. No recording artist has ever reached the status Mike did with Thriller. This was Mike at his peak no doubt
Actually his hate made me go back an listen to both albums,Thriller runs laps over off tha wall from start to finish!! Off tha wall still tha chitt both#Classics
Yeah everyone hates Off The Wall
Song for song, THRILLER as a pop album beats OFF THE WALL. As a soulful r&b record that reflected the disco era, jazz, soul and dance it was definitely geared for a certain audience. MJ had goals to reach the world, and to transform popular music. To do that, it took, taking risk and thinking beyond the boundaries of what people called "normal". Beside all the personal things he had going on, if we focus ONLY on his music & his business mind, we see a man that is exceptionally gifted.
He wanted to be #1 and he accomplished it. Period.
Off the wall sold over 8 million, that's his best work to me , everything after was pop oriented
MJ's Thriller will and forever be a classic. and for what they did for up an coming talent changed the way we looked at music videos
+Jessenia Vice Thriller (the album) itself is like a Greatest hits collection!
is and forever will be*
People always hating on off the wall
the difference between the two is that off the wall had more soul and thriller was more of a crossover album to take Mike to the next level
I Can't help It still is my Favorite MJ song.. Fuck what yall saying.. Michael Jackson infact is a Genre I'd say.
YEESSS
Agreed.
mj girlfriend vs Bobby Brown girlfriend?
Off the Wall > Thriller. 1000%
James McClaren Thriller > Off The Wall 10000% Thriller has the visuals no other album in history has. It’s more exciting and he was more cooler there.
Leon S. Kennedy Yeah Black people always would say Off The Wall is better than Thriller
Leon S. Kennedy Off The Wall is more black remember that. Thriller is for everyone. Thriller has more visuals and something that was never seen or heard. Off The Wall is more Disco, Thriller is Pop,R&B, Soul, Dance Pop And Post Disco and Funk.
@@eph_loves_80s74 I'm white and I think off the wall is his best album
@@Videomaker-pz4xm Obviously because you can’t stand Thrillers success. All you MJ fans know about Thriller is sales. Instead of researching what the album did and the visuals it has, instead you all choose to know about sales
Okay y'all are sleeping on Burn This Disco Out , that shit is straight fire
Exactly
Off the wall has better music, but Thriller was the more popular album. Just like Pac's biggest album was All Eyes On me, but Me Against the world was better music.
That's debatable though, I preferred all eyez on me
+Zane Dietlin All eyes on me was better cause it was more gangsta
+RON GZ Me against the world was definitely one of pacs greatest.
I disagree off the wall has sum misses mostly because its a disco genere sum some songs just did not age well. Thriller just has hit after hit after hit.
Quincy Jones went in with the production
this Negus said human nature was soft. that's by far the best production song known to humans
tupac changes?
+Tray Davis u be the judge listen to both of them back to back. then tell me your honest opinion
+Laron Williams If I'm not mistaken Human Nature was given to MJ by the group 80's group Toto. Lord Jamar buggin tho, I cant Help it might be the best song on off the wall, plus It was written by Stevie also. Rod Temperton co wrote some songs on both albums so it kills the whole argument of it being more felt by black people tho. Lady in My Life and Baby be mine are the best songs off Thriller in my opinion but both of those songs could have easily fit on Off the wall
Laron Williams he's one of those Black guy that's afraid of love
"I can't help it" is WAAAAY better
I love Thriller and that album made me a Michael Jackson fanatic but years later after listening to Off The Wall I can say that OTW is better than Thriller musically and sonically.
nomibe2911 No Thriller has the visuals no other album in history has.
@@eph_loves_80s74 STOP BEING A PRICK
@@Videomaker-pz4xm Why are you being rude? Thriller has an artistic achievement. No Beat It or Billie Jean on Thriller. It’s obvious most fans can’t stand Thrillers success because they haven’t made research about the album, it’s not just about sales, it’s about the legacy and the story. All you fans know about Thriller is sales. Which is stupid
Forget Thriller or Off The Wall personally I think Bad was his best album
+Baraka Kaducha LOL😝
I don't know about that. When Bad was released in September of 1987 he was no doubt at his peak, but it certainly doesn't compare to Thriller or Off The Wall for that matter.
100%
URIEL why u say so ? That album was diverse and every song was a hit .
OTW/BAD >>> THRILLER
i just realized dj vlad doesnt know alot of things
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 exactly
1.) Thriller
2.) Bad
3.) Off The Wall
4.) Dangerous
5.) HIStory
6.) Invincible
1. Off the Wall
2. Thriller
3. Dangerous
4. Invincible
5. History
6. Bad
Keenan Taylor: There is no way in hell that Bad was better than Off The Wall.
Why do black people continue to forget that "rock music" started from us! It is black music! Granted Thriller is more mainstream than Off The Wall but it's not any less black because of it. How Jamar gon sit up here and deny the funk, soul and blackness of "PYT", "Wanna Be Startin Something", "Baby Be Mine" and "The Lady In My Life"??? I do prefer Off The Wall but let's not act like Thriller wasn't the shit. Plus I personally believe that Michaels music remained very black throughout his life, no matter what genre he ventured into and dabbled in...there was always still an element of soul and funk either through his vocals or sonically. And why TF do people stay forgetting Bad? I prefer Bad and Off the Wall to Thriller. Bad is the edgier, mainstream cousin to Thriller but with better videos, songwriting, creativity, sonic exploration and hits. The fact that it is so underrated compared to OTW and Thriller makes me love it more
even if black people, white people took it to the next level
+BrahUAware boy bye....
Thriller is better because it showed that a black artist can do any genre he or she can do. R&B, Funk, Disco, Rock, and Pop. No black artist did all of the above especially in one album. Off the Wall was the Album of the times, but Thriller was an album ahead of its time. It never became dated. Off the Wall unfortunately is a dated album as a whole. Thriller has more iconic, influential and innovative tracks than Off the Wall does. The production is more advanced and complex than Off the Wall. Thriller is the blue print of not just Pop music but pop culture in general. Thriller is a symbol that shows that black artists can do it all. Especially with Rock and Disco being predominantly white at that time. Thriller was both a middle finger to racism and a sledgehammer that broke the racial barrier in the fine arts and pop culture
I can't help it- written by Stevie Wonder... man that shit WENT and STILL goes hard...
Off the wall IS better.... no debate here
WaVy BaBy No Thriller is better. It’s more exciting and has the visuals no other album in history has.
Dnomyar Akunawik No Thriller is better. Off The Wall reached black people, Thriller reached people of all ages and races. And music artists of all genres. But Thriller is Thriller and people can say « forgot Thriller » but its impossible, it’s the album that made him a superstar and the years 1983 and 1984 was just its highest peak. Artistically other albums doesn’t have a song like Billie Jean or Beat It and he wrote a lot of songs during the Thriller sessions. Thriller won the biggest awards and became a basic album that everyone had to have. The album produced three legendary music videos: "Billie Jean," "Beat It" and "Thriller" that helped break color barriers on MTV and broke many more records. Billie Jean is on the 500 Greatest Songs Of All Time by Rolling Stone and on the 500 Singles of our lifetime by Blender, Beat It is on the 500 Greatest Songs Of All Time too, on the 500 Songs That Shaped Rock & Roll and listed on RIAA Songs of the Century. Thriller video is the only music video in music history which is Inducted into the National Film Registry of the Library of Congress and considered as the greatest music video of all time. (The album was also inducted.) Wanna Be Startin’ Somethin’ was one of his most popular and critically acclaimed songs. In addition to Thriller’s impact on music video and MTV, many musicians and performers who followed in the years after have attributed Michael and the Thriller album to be their inspiration and motivation for becoming musical artists. Michael’s vocal style on the album can be heard in the work of others such as, Usher, Justin Timberlake, Chris Brown, Beyonce, Ne-Yo, and many more. In conclusion, this album is so important and changed a lot of things. Thriller was the start of Michael Mania and everyone already knew him since then.
Off the Wall is easily better.
no its not as versatile as thriller and billie jean soldifies thriller as the GOAT album off the wall doesnt have a song close to billie jean
The production on “Off The Wall” is absolute 🔥🔥🔥
Off the Wall is better. More authentic Michael. Thriller was good but it was so popular because it crossed over to a white audience.
Mel Glo Thriller is better. It has the visuals no other album in history has. Off The Wall mostly reached black people while Thriller reached all races.
Ephraim Nana Antwi shut the fuck up
Michael Balfour u stfu
This man said I Can't Help it was "okay" smh.
Jamar knew more songs from Thriller because it was bigger than off the wall. But that doesn't necessarily mean it's better than Off the Wall . Off The Wall is a r&b masterpiece and Thriller is a pop masterpiece. If you like r&b more you'll like off the wall if you like pop more it's probably thriller .
Thriller is R&B too. If not why did it stay 37 weeks in R&B charts
Definitely true, I like both a lot and we easily pinnacles in most regards
Off The Wall is not just R&B it's also Soul, Funk and Disco black people prefer Off The Wall than Thriller because it was the last era when his music was being marketed towards black people after Off The Wall it became about everyone else but Off The Wall is for black people
14:14 Vlad was so passionate about the Thriller album when he hit that high note
😂😂😂 u took the words out my mouf (yes mouf) lol!
I can't help it was fire tho
Off The Wall without a doubt
I Can't Help It wasn't weak... that's a classic hip hop loop
Bad is Micheal Jacksons best album. Bad >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any album MJ ever put out
First time I highly disagree with Lord Jamar, Off The Wall is a great album from 1-5 and fall off 6-10 except for I Can't Help It. Thriller is great from Wanna Be Startin Somethin to The Lady In My Life. Every song on Thriller could've been a video.
Vlad: "Lord Jamar what do you think slim Jesus's favourite M.J album was"?
Lord Jamar: "Definitely bad cause his beyond white"
13:35 - Lord Jamar needs to explain about black people not wanting to dress up like Michael Jackson during the Thriller album. Once Thriller was released, EVERYONE WORE the Billie Jean, Beat It, or Thriller jacket. EVERYBODY in the States. From black people to white people to latinos to native americans. So, I'm confused when he said "live" brothas weren't feeling MJ during Thriller.
But Thriller is more creative…. He pushed boundaries
He pushed WHITE boundaries 🤣
Off The Wall was his breakthrough album..Thriller was his arrival.
+Mr Unique74 you said it my Brother..Thriller was his arrival..very well said. Thank you for verifying that.
I prefer Bad over off the wall and thriller
Yup!
+MrWARBUCKS24 YES!!!!! Bad over everything, but I love 'em all though. MJJ is the GOAT!!!
bad was the best album
same
+MrWARBUCKS24 You sick man !
The Making of Thriller actually made the Thriller Album popular and biggest selling. The actual footage behind the scenes was bigger than all the songs. Off the wall was hot!
Off the Wall is a great album, but Thriller is Legendary.. Literally an album of #1 hits.
Jammar was bugging about I Can't Help It being merely "aight". That joint was some straight lover, have a baby with your girl type shit. De La Soul turned that joint into a classic.
Breakadawn!
I thought I was the only one!!! Off The Wall is def > Thriller
You're not! As time passes more people realize OTW was and is an adult soul disco masterpiece
Malcolm Hampton Newton No Thriller is better it has the visuals no other album history has and it’s more exciting than Off The Wall.
I agree with Lamar Jamar that Off The Wall was his most acclaimed album. Just as far as the Quincy Jones and Michael Jackson's stamp and Brand.That Album was stupendous for both of them.The Black community embraced it and mainstream as well. It was a progressive in the sense of taking a so called Bull Gum young superstar,and ascending him into adult hood in the music world ,was an indelible transformation musically for his career. Thriller was just complimentary which subsequented the success of that album.Plus the world already started to change once that Album came out.Maybe not in sales,but as far as the musical choices.,made Off The Wall to me one of his greatest efforts. He never sounded like that again. Although Michael made wonderful albums after that,but from A-to Z I LOVED ALL THE SONGS ON Off The Wall.R.I.P MJ
I'm sorry thriller was the shit to
Normalize bringing up BAD in these convos. May not be as timeless as Thriller and OTW but was a masterpiece nonetheless and should get more praise
Bad was classic. Love Bad.
Man Don't Stop Til You Get Enough
Off the Wall and Thriller is kinda the same album. Thriller is Off the Wall amplified....both flavors
I can't lie Thriller & Off the Wall are pretty neck to neck! The Off the wall song from the album is my favorite on that album. It was so soulful I've never heard Michael sing that good like on that album! His vocals were inhumane!
I can see Lord Jamar's point. Off the Wall feels distinctly planted in black culture of the time. The tracks from this album are tracks you could dance to in the club. Thriller saw Michael's transcendence into another realm. You could enjoy Thriller and Beat It and share in the spectacle of both. However, you were really dancing to both of those songs in the same way as the songs from Off the Wall. I see his point. Though, if you listen to both albums side by side one might enjoy Thriller better. Those songs from Thriller feel larger in scope.
Thriller and Off the wall were both instant classics.
the white guy came outta vlad when he said "he's a singer" lol
''STOP WITH THE BULLSHIT CRITERIA VLAD!!'' LMAOOOOOOOOOOO
Vlad: "I can't help it"
Jamar: *SINGS BLAME IT ON THE BOOGIE*
Off the Wall and 1981's Triumph with the Jackson's are the 2 greatest MJ albums of all time!
17:58
“A lot of the songs off Thriller weren’t singles.” You sure about that? 7 of the 9 songs on Thriller were released on singles.
In a way he's not lying. I love the Thriller album, but recently when I first heard all of the songs on the Off the Wall album I fell in love with it. So I love Thriller but I LOVE Off the Wall even more.
off the wall had more SOUL
IT PROVES WHO likes it
Off The Wall is my favorite MJ project, Thriller just sold more
Its hard to compare Off the wall with Thriller just for the fact that it was two seperate decades, Michael Jackson has always been original, so to label his later music white isnt really accurate, Jamar says the industry pushed the songs on to the people, but it was the people that chose to accept the music, and to buy the album, 80s pop was bigger than alot of other genres, for record sales, its fair to say that Michael Jackson went pop more than soul, but pop music had both black and white at the time.
I love fucking Thriller and it was a great album, but off the wall knocks it out of the water. I can listen to that album straight and fall in love with each song over and over again. People didn't want to be like thriller michael jackson??? Bullfuckingshit! My older bro, who's an 80s baby can tell me countless stories of kids wanting thriller jackets, moonwalking and shit. Hell even BAD was legendary back then.
And beat it was a great fucking song. Lord jamar is fucking tripping on this one. Some of the shit Jamar says at times can be real ignorant.
This dude just said he could only name thriller from the thriller album....that's fuckin insane
Michael Jackson was a co-composer of "Off The Wall" and "Rock With You" with Rod Temperton who was a keyboardist and leader or co-leader of the late 1970s group, Heatwave, and was a white man born in Cleethorpes, England. However, I still totally get Lord Jamar's points with respect to the 2 M.J. albums discussed.
At first I thought Off The Wall was better.... but I had to look back at not only the impact of Thriller, but the innovative sonic sounds of thriller, to the dance moves it incorporates to the music videos. There's no way Off The Wall is better than Thriller. Billie Jean is like one of the greatest songs of all time! To me ( and to Rolling Stones Magazine😉) Off The Wall is still a classical disco/ funk album! But Thriller sorry :)
Abigial Rosser thriller vs don't be cruel Bobby Brown?
Jarrel Ely thriller...
Abigial Rosser where do you rank don't be cruel from 1 to 10?
Jarrel Ely I don't know i never listened to the album.
Abigial Rosser never listened lol were you under a rock
The kid me preferred "Thriller" the adult me prefers "OTW"
This particular Lord Jamar interview is HILARIOUS.
I know all the songs off "Thriller & Off The Wall"
Paul McCartney wrote "The Girl Is Mine"
He also wrote girlfriend
Gabe-bri-elle Union? Nigga gab-rielle. What the fuck lol
Man these people are ignorant. "Rock With You", "Off the Wall", "Burn This Disco Out", "Baby Be Mine", "The Lady in My Life", "Thriller" all written by a white guy.
Rod Temperton is who you are speaking of. He was keyboardist for the funk outfit Heatwave.
DJ Vlad "So Lord Jamar, Slim Jesus or Michael Jackson"
Lord Jamar "This is why Blacks are still slaves"
DJ Vlad "Ahhh Slim Jesus"
Idk why people still talk about mj skin color like it’s not a known fact he had a skin condition. Vlad speaking on it casually gives a false narrative. The coroner confirmed it... Stacey Dash came out recently and said sh was an addict for many years and had a lot of self loathing. So she should be given grace for the things she’s said.
I think this is my favorite Jamar Interview so far lol Funny as shit listening to these two argue.