We're Leading a Division that featured the Powerhouse 9ers and Rams for the past 5 years. It's in our best interests to chill, and see if this new coaching staff continues to develop. We're actually in a good place
I'm 100% certain that if the o-line could block anyone his offence would be killer... they can't block worth crap and it makes Geno have to make up for it which is why he has so many picks, he's been sacked 40 times this season, it's crazy
People need to stop blaming Ryan Grubb for the offense not clicking. The truth is, the O-line has been a mess. A weak line makes it almost impossible to run plays the way they’re designed. Grubb can’t control that, so it’s unfair to put the blame on him when the real issue is up front.
I totally agree. Though, that being said. No matter the o-line. In 7 plays grub should 100% be able to go a single yard for a TD. But no I agree that we can’t truly evaluate him until our o-line is fixed
Did you read the article and look at the stats? I assume you didn’t. Also how the hell did Waldron get the offense do better with this same trashy oline and most of the same players last year? Think about it for a sec. 😓
Well, good point here. Although I think, if he's willing, Mike could take advantage of this situation of him being brand new to head coach & everyone else being a new crew. It is clear that we're vastly improving in defense, so are the sides taking turns improving? Doesn't make sense. We have great talent on the offense, but terrible action☹️
@josephmiller5843 I suppose that's true too. Don't wanna turn into the Bears or Jets or something. Definitely important to have stability. I just hope we can get more going. At least the defense is getting better.
Sorry brenden i just cant agree with you on this one I think grubb inherited this offense with limited time to make his own roster adjustments. i would give this one 2 years. Say what you want but hes unlocked jsn which waldron couldnt do and dk before his injury was also having a career year. Our run game is the only thing lacking and I believe thats our oline personally
They were the first team to go undefeated in the pac-12 and you have to say that? Really? Leading the country in passing wasn't good enough for you? The Huskies defense wasn't that good it wasn't the offense obviously
Our pass blocking and run blocking were better in 2022 and 2023 because we had the benefit of a great TE corp. The Seahawks ran 3 TE sets more than any other team in 2022. Now we rely on a bad interior o line.
He’s a first year nfl coach who only got his first big coaching job with the Huskies in 2022. Give him a year to mold into the NFL role jeez. NFL is completely different ball, and it’s not like he’s coming from the SEC. It’s not Grubbs fault you all have horribly unrealistic expectations constantly
I remember asking after we hired Grubb as our OC if it concerned anyone that we were hiring a guy to run a system that Michigan players were calling out the plays of before the snaps. "No bro, you need to learn football. We super bowl bound. 20-0 incoming. Geno MVP incoming." 😂
Waldron didn't run mostly Shotgun plays. That's why our running game sucks. We're not under center nearly enough, so K9 has to anticipate where the hole will be instead of hitting it. We need to be a more under center offense.
That’s why we’ve been under center way more often now than at the start of the season. we’re making adjustments but we’re not making enough of them to have meaningful impact
Might be an unpopular opinion but I honestly really like Grubb so far. O-Line needs major work but his play calls are pretty solid for what he’s working with. think he deserves at least one more year.
I haven't seen anything from Grub I like this year. Air raid offense is NOT the style we need in Seattle. Are we allergic to QB sneaks? I realize we suck on the Oline but damn!
I did not expect you to convince me when this video started but damn your right ! We have to ask the question Grubb ? Vs potentially much better OC. Have to choose what’s best for the team.
I can't defend Ryan Grubb when he's in a shot gun at the half yard line or throwing slant passes at the half yard line which gave me serious Malcolm Butler vibes. You at least try a QB sneak and live with it. Also go for the three points if you can't get a yard guy? Wtf are we doing giving away points...
I dont think we should get rid of Grubb just yet. Its his first year in the NFL, the struggle and the mistakes are expected. I think he will improve significantly in the upcoming games/seasons
The problem with replacing Grubb with someone like McDaniel or Stefanski is that, unless you believe this team can win a Super Bowl with Geno or a rookie/second year QB by 2025-2026, you're sacrificing long-term potential and offensive continuity for a short term boost - one that might win them a few more games in the regular season, but won't be enough to win a championship. Then, once they inevitably get offered another NFL or college HC job, we're back to square one. If the plan was to make some kind of blockbuster trade for a quarterback and lure someone like McDaniel in afterwards, it'd be a different story. At least then we'd have a couple years to push for a Super Bowl before having to find another OC.
Stefanski, McDaniel and Taylor, and Daboll aren’t getting fired and even if they did they’d get head coaching jobs elsewhere. Strong no on pretty much everyone else you named. Id rather let Grubb progress with a better Oline than fire him for Doug Pedersen or Chip Kelly! We struggle running the ball because we got 3rd stringers playing guard and center. Njigba and Metcalf have looked awesome with the current scheme, just need Schneider to prioritize the Oline, and Walker will start doing his thing again! Way too quick to jump ship in the midst of a rebuild
This guy list all the great things these current coaches have done. What he doesn't mention is that all these coaches had years of experience in the NFL prior to them being coaches. Even current OC's from other teams, they have years of experience coaching in the league, either being positional assistants, then coordinators. Grubb came straight from college, speed in the NFL, especially on D is far different than college, we all know that. Look at Kingsbury, got some experience in Arizona, granted didn't go that well, but look at what he's doing in DC and with McDaniels at QB, because he had league experience before. Letting go of Grubb would be stupid, like most people here, give him him another year, and I think the O will be much better next year with better additions to the line.
The talent level on the Seahawks defense is significantly better than that of their offense at every level (Williams, Murphy, Reed, Mafe, Ernest Jones, Love, Woolen, Witherspoon, etc.). And when it was going poorly for the Seahawks on D, they made moves ASAP to improve by bringing in Ernest Jones and Robertson-Harris and moving on from the opening day linebackers. The offense does not appear to legitimately have anyone in the class of Williams and Witherspoon at their respective positions (you could maybe add Ernest Jones and Julian Love into that conversation as well). And what personnel changes have they made to improve the offense? None up to this point, and that is likely due to the fact their biggest problem is Oline and upgrades there are hard to come by in the middle of the season. That being said, Kenny Walker needs to be a one cut and go running back the rest of the way, because this Seahawks Oline will rarely reward his attempts at being patient and waiting for a running lane to open up. Metcalf needs to continue to improve his hands (his drops are sometimes drive killers). Geno seems to have even less time to throw than he did earlier in the year when Metcalf was able to get deep on occasion. And Geno still struggles to just throw the ball away rather than take a bad sack or force a bad throw. Also, if Geno would just take off and run a little more, it would make the opposing defense have to account for that and potentially slow down the pass rush. I do feel this offense would benefit from another speedy receiver who could be a deep threat and using the backs in the passing game a little more. But let's be honest, if the Oline cannot get push in the running game or hold up in pass protection, the offense's ability to consistently move the ball down the field is going to be extremely hampered no matter who is calling plays. You can try to dink and dunk the ball down the field (rather than get chunk plays mixed in), but one tackle for a loss, one dropped/missed pass and/or one penalty will make it very hard to be consistently successful playing that way. If Grubb is the problem on offense (not that he cannot continue to learn, grow, adjust, adapt and improve), then who was the problem on run defense before wholesale changes were made at linebacker via the trade for Ernest Jones, etc (apparently the powers that be thought it was a personnel issue). The defense has a lot of good to very good pieces (dare I say Witherspoon and Williams are elite right now), and the offense needs to find several more in order to level up. Just my opinion.
Have patience with Grubb. I do like the idea of bringing in an additional consultant to ground him a bit more, but not on the hot seat at least for me. You may be right in the end, but it is just too early to make a move like that imo. Now if you want someone’s head, how about Jay Harbaugh? I’m honestly shocked we didn’t axe him at halftime last week.
It’s exactly what I’ve been thinking, you could also add that we don’t have time with grubb if you think about it realistically geni isn’t gonna be able to keep his play up long enough for us to install a new system
I actually respect brendon for saying what ive been saying waldron was doing better with this offensive personal.im not saying we didnt make the right decision letting him go but the facts are the facts. People got there uw blinders on
I am a Huskies fan and I was disappointed when I first heard that Seahawks were interested in hiring Grubb. Huskies' offense had the same issue last year. It's not the offensive line. It's the play caller. Scheme.
In the last few games, I really watched the run game closely; there is a huge problem in my mind with creativity in the run game. With a poor o line, you have to get creative; you are not gonna win those plays that are my guys against your guy's heads up. And I watched the Hawks try that way too much. if you keep Grubb, maybe keep him to run the passing game, but they need a run game specialist as his assistant.
Solid Ryan Grubb fan. Its not his fault the WR's drop passes. Not his fault John let some fine TE's go. Waldron never played his gifted TE's that's a problem and thank god we have Ryan Grubb. It's been a hectic season for coach's and players.
People say grubb is a bad oc the Seahawks in 2023 had a record of 6 and 7 and that after losing to niners that was embarrassing. This team is 7 and 5, beat the niners and is in first place. Grass isnt always greener and lets pretend that debofraud decides to go to the seahawks. His scheme is the same one everyone is complaining about and now its a second college oc in a roll. It the same scheme who will need to get oline help and yes grubb is at fault but in my mind Schneider built that oline. So if grubb should get fired so should Schneider. Grubb can only do so much and giving him one more year to figure it out is better than getting way more worse or getting a retread, or pretending the miami dolphins coach, cleveland etc will suddenly get fired and not get rehired somewhere else.
@@JohnCena-nx4of say no to drugs, JS wouldn't be spending draft picks trading for defensive players every 3rd week if he did a good job drafting. The guy literally traded away all the picks (2nd to 4th rounders) that would usually be where you pick up offensive line..
I wanna see at least 1 more year of grubb with a competent o-line. I feel like he’s calling plays he usually wouldn’t (ex multiple pass plays on the half yard vs jets) because he doesn’t trust his oline with easy jobs like blocking for a yard to convert
If there's a legit chance to bring in one of these guys, that's the exception. But I want to see Grubb have a legit chance with a better OL, staying in Seattle
This past Sunday against the Jets is hard to really pin on the offense (outside of that one trip to the goal line which was awful) because of the fumbles on special teams.
Defense has sucked for years while the offense was good. Now its the Offense's turn to suck now while the Defense is doing good finally. That makes sense i guess
Mcdonald doesn't want a finesse pass happy offense, I didn't understand this hire from the start. They need to find a coordinator that fits the head coaches philosophy.
If, as I highly suspect is the case, Ryan Grubb and Mike Macdonald just aren't on the same page at all when it comes to what kind of an offense they want to run and how it works with the defense, then giving Grubb 1 or 2 more years like a lot of comments are advocating for isn't going to ever fix that and it's better to just move on to someone more aligned with Macdonald ASAP.
Mac has clearly stated he wants a strong run game. Grubb calls the most pass heavy attack in the league. Those two things don't go together. If he can't cook the given order he needs to get out of the kitchen.
The problem is the oline and health. We tried to make moves with fant and Williams but that didn’t pan out. We focused our draft of the defense. As stands our line isn’t doing going in rushing and just now giving time in the pass rush. Give it time we can’t balance pass and run game because of the line but grub does great utilizing the screen game with jsn in lieu of the run game. Just give it another off season. Y’all don’t remember the years after replacing Mike holmgrem and how ugly it was then
I dont know why we are so quick to give up on Grubb when it took Mcdonald up until we got Ernest Jones and put Knight as the other starting LB in to get the defense going. To then say Grubb needs to go after we complained about McDonalds playcalling for over half the season makes zero sense. Grubb has not been able to call a consistent offense when the oline has been this poor, I am not saying he has been perfect or hasnt had issues with his playcalling, but to say we can do better than Grubb doesn't track. We should at the very least give Grubb another season AND at least get us an average oline to give Grubb a fair evaluation. I also dont think Shane actualy did a better job at all, go look at when Seattle played good defenses last year.. we scored an average of 17.25 points over 8 games against good defenses (Bengals, Steelers, Titans, 49ers x2, Rams x2, Browns) and we didnt really do well in the division. This year 22.7 ppg vs last year 21.4.
some of his plays are way more creative than what we ever have had, still missing a lot. too much shotgun, redzone/short gain, no DK sweeps, repetitive play calls when not working (running up the gut).
There are scheme issues with the Ryan Grubb scheme. You hope that he learns on the job to correct those things. Maybe he will. I hope so. He does some things good. He's eliminated probably 50 potential sacks by having Geno get the ball out after two reads. He's basically mitigated a lot of the deficiencies in the o-line. Now he needs to modify the college route tree, modify the college blocking scheme, and modify his college running scheme to work with the strengths of the personnel we have and NFL fields of play which are different from college.
Grubbs big issue is confidence, notice the offense got a bit better when he wasn't allowed to punt, he'll if geno was slightly more accurate they convert on the 2nd and goal grubb has nothing when it comes to red zone offense because the oline gets bullied so badly, he can't run a 3rd and 1 because they lose yards
The offensive line is a part of the overall offense. Which a unit under the offensive coordinator. Grubb doesn’t understand the needs and weakness of that line and is not providing the players and it shows.
What I worry is holding out on your special plays. Playoffs everything changes. I feel like San Francisco messed up their nutrition record. The season is longer. Run game is coming back. And covid messed up the draft for awhile. I think things will change. We have a winning record. I'd like to see them move the pocket. Geno run or throw away instead of throw a pick or take a huge sack. I think we are holding out for the games that matter. This season is weird.
Let’s not pretend like out line is trash and it’s a new system. We shouldn’t be calling for this guys job after one season. Let’s draft some oline talent and see where it goes next season
Why are people blaming grubb? The same people who said we can’t evaluate Geno currently because of the o line well same can be said for grubb. He inherited this bum ass o line give him time to try and fix it.
i would say give grubb another year improve the line in the off season and maybe a new rungame coordinator but mostly we dont run is cuz the line simply cant block shit i feel like the passing offense looks so much better compared to waldron last season how he activated jsn
Give Grubb time, when Mike McDonalds inherited this team. He already had solid defensive players, as for Grubb to inherit a below average offensive line. The play call and offensive scheme that GRUBB runs. Waldron took 2yrs to get offense going
I blame the GM. They were able to rebuild the Linebacking core. Why no o-line love? John Schneider has no idea how to build o-lines. Even the 13-14 team Oline was just average and I’d kill to be average right now.
Grubb definitely needs to be more creative running I formation with a FB would help with DK/JSN with a tight end on the field might be the answer but this oline is the reason and the one built is John Schneider.
I wrote a long drawn out message, but I am just going to boil it down to I really disagree. I don't think it's fair to evaluate Grubb given this bullshit offensive line he has been handed. Just this last game vs. the Jets I watched several run plays that would have worked if 1) Laken Tomlinson could block in space, 2) Cross could block anyone who runs a sub 5 40, 3) Kenneth Walker trusted blocks (can't blame him there, but he does cut back way too much). I mean Jesus, we have to run max protect just to get a play off. The one thing I will fault him on is creativity in the red zone. It don't matter though, if he and head coach don't see eye to eye he has to go.
Grubb is calling plays for a team he doesn’t have. Week 1, it was long developing pass plays that resulted in almost THREE SAFETIES IN A HALF. A month later, it was a combined 7 rushing attempts for our two running backs while Geno was averaging 40-50 dropbacks a week with the worst o-line in the league. Now we can’t pick up a yard on any 3rd or 4th & 1. He’s 100% on the hot seat. With the defense playing the way it is. With the division wide open. If his playcalling costs us a chance to win the division, I want him gone in the offseason. It shouldn’t take this long to adjust to the team you have. I know the o line sucks. It’s been bad for damn near a decade. He should’ve known that coming in and had a plan ready. Instead he’s in shotgun no matter the situation. Rain, sunshine, 2nd & 1, 4th & inches at the goal line. 3 shotgun snaps went over Geno’s head on a rainy day in Seattle? Fuck it, let’s go shotgun again.
I believe grubb has both arms are behind his back a bad oline,players who don't fit the scheme, no run game. If its someone to advise him than that fine. It totally stupid to blaming grubb for problems that is Schneider fault. I believe that grubb needs a oline especially up the middle and slowly i see improvement especially in the run game But blaming grubb for problems with a lack of running game, and worst oline is beyond ludicrous. When did waldron beat the niners, falcons etc. This is a college oc that needs time and if your so dang difficult on it. Let me know who will be better than stupid retreads. These guys listed will not help seattle offense with no oline. Who would be successful with a crap oline and a qb who throws a interception in each game. Reich isnt better than grubb once he learns the nfl. Patience is needed more than go for the grass is greener. Why in the heck would debofraud come to Washington when he in Alabama. It making me frustrated because guys who failed or will become head coach if fired.
He just told you in the video….Shane Waldron. The stats backed that up. The offense did much better last season with the same trashy oline and almost the same players…the offense literally carried defense last season.
I really hope the fools who blame the oline constantly instead of questioning Ryan Grubb’s scheme and play calls see this article. I really hope so. Also the fools who think Grubb is doing a better job than Waldron with the same awful oline…please go read this article, you fools! And I was not even Waldron’s fan…😒
Grubb is not getting fired after one year. That is what disfunctional organizations do. The o line is worse than last year. We had Damien Lewis last year now we have Tomlinson. Center and right guard are just as bad as last year. Grubb just needs to make adjustments when we actually have the personnel to run more play action and run the ball. Until we get a good offense line its impossible to fully evaluate Grubb or even Geno for that matter.
I've stated this WELL before the season. I wasn't a fan of the Grubb or Huff hires at all. I told numerous people the issues we'll see consistently is gonna be with Grubb and Huff, and I was right.
I think we have the worst Oline in the league. That’s the man problem. Can Grubb call better plays to decrease the number of plays where Kenneth Walker gets stuffed behind the line of scrimmage? Yes he can. Stop running the slow developing running plays. Go to more quick hitting running plays because the Oline aren’t holding there blocks very long. More basic blocking schemes.
So let me get this straight your idea is getting a 1 year OC because the names you’ve mentioned that you would “jump on” are gonna be here 1 year as you stated then get a HC job somewhere else the following year? How does that make any sense to the stability of the team? Be great 1 year then go back to mediocrity the next year because they have to learn ANOTHER offense. That sounds like something the giants would do. No thank you I’m more inclined to give grubb time when we honestly don’t know what we have with him. We’ve seen some cool concepts at the beginning of the year and I think we’ve yet to see his ceiling yet give him TIME.
Seahawks are 2nd in passing offense. Because they can't run the ball because their offensive line sucks. So they're getting the job done through the air. It's hard to try to establish the run when your offensive line is bad and you fall behind more than half of the games this year? With that said?They're in 1st place.. considering where this team was a month ago? this is incredible.. and you want to take pot shots? There's too many variables that play into this right now you are too far over your skis on this one.
All of these are overqualified to coach under such an inexperienced NFL head coach. Egos and human relationships can make these hires potentially very bad. I don’t think we can hire a former successful head coach until Macdonald has established himself as one.
Defense has been great,offense not so much,for people saying give him some time how much time do y’all want 😂season is almost over, I know our oline is trash
I gotta be honest man, I usually enjoy your content, but IMO you’re waaay off on this one. Saying Shane Waldron is better is complete BS. Shane waldrons play designs were completely bland, zero creativity, no clue how to use his weapons. I’m not advocating for grubb in this, but I just think your assessment is way off. Frankly I do think grub needs another season to figure things out, Ben Johnson wasn’t spectacular either his first go. Despite being 9-8. Seattle is on track to be 10-7 looking at the remaining schedule. McDaniel surely will not be fired. That’s just outta the question. Waldron is absolutely lost. You can’t make gold outta garbage, the Seattle coaching staff hasn’t even had one season, to say grubb is a problem is ridiculous. I guarantee one more season, coaching staff synergy, rework the roster, you’ll see a completely different team next season. I think you’re gonna eat crow on this man.
The O-line is terrible. What are you to do When you can't run the ball? You need to take a step back because they're in 1st. place? What first place isn't good enough for you? Grub hasn't throwing 12 INTs up to this point? A first-year head coach a first-year OC and they're in 1st place and you want a nitpick? You can say well the defense is playing better but you know what? You still have to score more points than the other team. You know we have struggled here and there all year and you find ourselves in first place.. and you want to start this? Be a Debbie Downer when it's called for. And stop speculating like another offensive coordinator would do better you don't know that?
I like Grubb and i think he'll figure it out. He's a smart guy. We shall see.
The game against Detroit our offense had flashes of straight brilliance
We're Leading a Division that featured the Powerhouse 9ers and Rams for the past 5 years. It's in our best interests to chill, and see if this new coaching staff continues to develop. We're actually in a good place
I'm 100% certain that if the o-line could block anyone his offence would be killer... they can't block worth crap and it makes Geno have to make up for it which is why he has so many picks, he's been sacked 40 times this season, it's crazy
People need to stop blaming Ryan Grubb for the offense not clicking. The truth is, the O-line has been a mess. A weak line makes it almost impossible to run plays the way they’re designed. Grubb can’t control that, so it’s unfair to put the blame on him when the real issue is up front.
I totally agree. Though, that being said. No matter the o-line. In 7 plays grub should 100% be able to go a single yard for a TD.
But no I agree that we can’t truly evaluate him until our o-line is fixed
I think we have had weaker OLs the past 2 years like cmon we started uncle Peters for games and the offense was able to generate more than right now
Did you read the article and look at the stats? I assume you didn’t. Also how the hell did Waldron get the offense do better with this same trashy oline and most of the same players last year? Think about it for a sec. 😓
i agree but you have to call a qb sneak when you are half a yard away and you have 7 tries
So he doesn't know what kind of o-line he's dealing with and can't plan accordingly? Oops
Grubb doesn’t use K9 well at all. It’s tragic
He runs up the middle way too much. K9 is designed to be outside, whether on screens or off tackle runs.
@@TheEliteFoxsend Charbonnet up the middle!
I dont like changing the OC so much. Makes the job undesirable. Too soon to move on from Grub
Well, good point here. Although I think, if he's willing, Mike could take advantage of this situation of him being brand new to head coach & everyone else being a new crew. It is clear that we're vastly improving in defense, so are the sides taking turns improving? Doesn't make sense. We have great talent on the offense, but terrible action☹️
@gohawks3571 OLine is young for the most part. Need some stability so they can grow. Keep changing systems and they'll never reach their potential
@josephmiller5843 I suppose that's true too. Don't wanna turn into the Bears or Jets or something. Definitely important to have stability. I just hope we can get more going. At least the defense is getting better.
Sorry brenden i just cant agree with you on this one I think grubb inherited this offense with limited time to make his own roster adjustments. i would give this one 2 years. Say what you want but hes unlocked jsn which waldron couldnt do and dk before his injury was also having a career year. Our run game is the only thing lacking and I believe thats our oline personally
Last season the Huskies struggled to move the ball against some teams that they should have been owning with all of the talent that they had.
They were the first team to go undefeated in the pac-12 and you have to say that? Really? Leading the country in passing wasn't good enough for you? The Huskies defense wasn't that good it wasn't the offense obviously
I think it was 5 plays at the one yard line with no points to show. That's disgusting
5 plays? They had like 9 downs all together including with the flags to get the touchdown at the yard line…
Wasn't it like 7 or 8
Either amount is unacceptable
It was 7. 3 downs, pi, 4 downs.
These 7 playcalls on the 1 yard line of the Jets game should‘ve cost him the job
I like to think this young OL has room to grow next year and that Grubb and Huff can be good at helping to make that growth happen. Patience :)
I rather have grubb than waldron
I rather have none of them both
Our pass blocking and run blocking were better in 2022 and 2023 because we had the benefit of a great TE corp. The Seahawks ran 3 TE sets more than any other team in 2022. Now we rely on a bad interior o line.
He’s a first year nfl coach who only got his first big coaching job with the Huskies in 2022. Give him a year to mold into the NFL role jeez. NFL is completely different ball, and it’s not like he’s coming from the SEC. It’s not Grubbs fault you all have horribly unrealistic expectations constantly
None of that matters if Schneider doesn't invest in the OLine. I dont want any of those guys
yup Seahawks spend the least amount of money on it than any other team in the league under Schneider it’s crazy how he’s still in Seattle.
I remember asking after we hired Grubb as our OC if it concerned anyone that we were hiring a guy to run a system that Michigan players were calling out the plays of before the snaps. "No bro, you need to learn football. We super bowl bound. 20-0 incoming. Geno MVP incoming." 😂
most of these hawks fans were like 'we gonna win 13 games because of superior coaching outscheming everybody' lol!
Waldron didn't run mostly Shotgun plays. That's why our running game sucks. We're not under center nearly enough, so K9 has to anticipate where the hole will be instead of hitting it.
We need to be a more under center offense.
You would think by now they would have more variety. I'm tired of being patient 😔
That’s why we’ve been under center way more often now than at the start of the season. we’re making adjustments but we’re not making enough of them to have meaningful impact
Might be an unpopular opinion but I honestly really like Grubb so far. O-Line needs major work but his play calls are pretty solid for what he’s working with. think he deserves at least one more year.
I haven't seen anything from Grub I like this year. Air raid offense is NOT the style we need in Seattle. Are we allergic to QB sneaks? I realize we suck on the Oline but damn!
I did not expect you to convince me when this video started but damn your right ! We have to ask the question Grubb ? Vs potentially much better OC. Have to choose what’s best for the team.
I’m starting to get more and more annoyed by this narrative give the man a chance Ryan grubb is fine let’s have a little patience
I can't defend Ryan Grubb when he's in a shot gun at the half yard line or throwing slant passes at the half yard line which gave me serious Malcolm Butler vibes. You at least try a QB sneak and live with it. Also go for the three points if you can't get a yard guy? Wtf are we doing giving away points...
Seahawks need a Fullback lol
I dont think we should get rid of Grubb just yet. Its his first year in the NFL, the struggle and the mistakes are expected. I think he will improve significantly in the upcoming games/seasons
First year in nfl with a trash o line cut him some slack
The problem with replacing Grubb with someone like McDaniel or Stefanski is that, unless you believe this team can win a Super Bowl with Geno or a rookie/second year QB by 2025-2026, you're sacrificing long-term potential and offensive continuity for a short term boost - one that might win them a few more games in the regular season, but won't be enough to win a championship. Then, once they inevitably get offered another NFL or college HC job, we're back to square one.
If the plan was to make some kind of blockbuster trade for a quarterback and lure someone like McDaniel in afterwards, it'd be a different story. At least then we'd have a couple years to push for a Super Bowl before having to find another OC.
I swear this fan base dont have patience and if pedersen comes in over grubb i will not watch. Their is a reason why jags suck
Yeah, was surprised at that name 😵💫
Some of this fan base but thankfully not majority of us
Stefanski, McDaniel and Taylor, and Daboll aren’t getting fired and even if they did they’d get head coaching jobs elsewhere. Strong no on pretty much everyone else you named. Id rather let Grubb progress with a better Oline than fire him for Doug Pedersen or Chip Kelly! We struggle running the ball because we got 3rd stringers playing guard and center. Njigba and Metcalf have looked awesome with the current scheme, just need Schneider to prioritize the Oline, and Walker will start doing his thing again! Way too quick to jump ship in the midst of a rebuild
of those 4 i think only stefanski would get HC offers. imagine a gm doing a press conference after hiring daboll off a likely 2-15 season
This guy list all the great things these current coaches have done. What he doesn't mention is that all these coaches had years of experience in the NFL prior to them being coaches. Even current OC's from other teams, they have years of experience coaching in the league, either being positional assistants, then coordinators. Grubb came straight from college, speed in the NFL, especially on D is far different than college, we all know that. Look at Kingsbury, got some experience in Arizona, granted didn't go that well, but look at what he's doing in DC and with McDaniels at QB, because he had league experience before. Letting go of Grubb would be stupid, like most people here, give him him another year, and I think the O will be much better next year with better additions to the line.
The talent level on the Seahawks defense is significantly better than that of their offense at every level (Williams, Murphy, Reed, Mafe, Ernest Jones, Love, Woolen, Witherspoon, etc.). And when it was going poorly for the Seahawks on D, they made moves ASAP to improve by bringing in Ernest Jones and Robertson-Harris and moving on from the opening day linebackers.
The offense does not appear to legitimately have anyone in the class of Williams and Witherspoon at their respective positions (you could maybe add Ernest Jones and Julian Love into that conversation as well). And what personnel changes have they made to improve the offense? None up to this point, and that is likely due to the fact their biggest problem is Oline and upgrades there are hard to come by in the middle of the season.
That being said, Kenny Walker needs to be a one cut and go running back the rest of the way, because this Seahawks Oline will rarely reward his attempts at being patient and waiting for a running lane to open up. Metcalf needs to continue to improve his hands (his drops are sometimes drive killers). Geno seems to have even less time to throw than he did earlier in the year when Metcalf was able to get deep on occasion. And Geno still struggles to just throw the ball away rather than take a bad sack or force a bad throw. Also, if Geno would just take off and run a little more, it would make the opposing defense have to account for that and potentially slow down the pass rush. I do feel this offense would benefit from another speedy receiver who could be a deep threat and using the backs in the passing game a little more.
But let's be honest, if the Oline cannot get push in the running game or hold up in pass protection, the offense's ability to consistently move the ball down the field is going to be extremely hampered no matter who is calling plays. You can try to dink and dunk the ball down the field (rather than get chunk plays mixed in), but one tackle for a loss, one dropped/missed pass and/or one penalty will make it very hard to be consistently successful playing that way.
If Grubb is the problem on offense (not that he cannot continue to learn, grow, adjust, adapt and improve), then who was the problem on run defense before wholesale changes were made at linebacker via the trade for Ernest Jones, etc (apparently the powers that be thought it was a personnel issue). The defense has a lot of good to very good pieces (dare I say Witherspoon and Williams are elite right now), and the offense needs to find several more in order to level up. Just my opinion.
Have patience with Grubb. I do like the idea of bringing in an additional consultant to ground him a bit more, but not on the hot seat at least for me. You may be right in the end, but it is just too early to make a move like that imo.
Now if you want someone’s head, how about Jay Harbaugh? I’m honestly shocked we didn’t axe him at halftime last week.
It’s exactly what I’ve been thinking, you could also add that we don’t have time with grubb if you think about it realistically geni isn’t gonna be able to keep his play up long enough for us to install a new system
I actually respect brendon for saying what ive been saying waldron was doing better with this offensive personal.im not saying we didnt make the right decision letting him go but the facts are the facts. People got there uw blinders on
I am a Huskies fan and I was disappointed when I first heard that Seahawks were interested in hiring Grubb. Huskies' offense had the same issue last year. It's not the offensive line. It's the play caller. Scheme.
In the last few games, I really watched the run game closely; there is a huge problem in my mind with creativity in the run game. With a poor o line, you have to get creative; you are not gonna win those plays that are my guys against your guy's heads up. And I watched the Hawks try that way too much. if you keep Grubb, maybe keep him to run the passing game, but they need a run game specialist as his assistant.
Before we move on from Grubb i want to see what he can do with an improved O-Line(Please John. I beg you).
Yeah bro you didnt cook with this one
Solid Ryan Grubb fan. Its not his fault the WR's drop passes. Not his fault John let some fine TE's go. Waldron never played his gifted TE's that's a problem and thank god we have Ryan Grubb. It's been a hectic season for coach's and players.
Grubbs and this o-line are brought to you by John Schneider. When he goes, the offense will get better.
People say grubb is a bad oc the Seahawks in 2023 had a record of 6 and 7 and that after losing to niners that was embarrassing. This team is 7 and 5, beat the niners and is in first place. Grass isnt always greener and lets pretend that debofraud decides to go to the seahawks. His scheme is the same one everyone is complaining about and now its a second college oc in a roll. It the same scheme who will need to get oline help and yes grubb is at fault but in my mind Schneider built that oline. So if grubb should get fired so should Schneider. Grubb can only do so much and giving him one more year to figure it out is better than getting way more worse or getting a retread, or pretending the miami dolphins coach, cleveland etc will suddenly get fired and not get rehired somewhere else.
Schneider is one of the best gms in the draft ever besides oline
@@JohnCena-nx4of say no to drugs, JS wouldn't be spending draft picks trading for defensive players every 3rd week if he did a good job drafting. The guy literally traded away all the picks (2nd to 4th rounders) that would usually be where you pick up offensive line..
Not sure the ‘c’ is pronounced in “chutzpah”.
I think I'm still with Grubb for at least another season. Gotta give the staff another year to develop imo.
Shotgun is terrible every time
I hated the hire from the beginning. My first choice would be Frank Reich as well but honestly I would be happy if anyone of those guys got the job.
Good coaching makes a HELLUHVA difference
the offence NEVER WAS alive, but we STILL can beat anyone....sometimes
Grubb is not ready for prime time he needs to go back to college ball
I wanna see at least 1 more year of grubb with a competent o-line. I feel like he’s calling plays he usually wouldn’t (ex multiple pass plays on the half yard vs jets) because he doesn’t trust his oline with easy jobs like blocking for a yard to convert
If there's a legit chance to bring in one of these guys, that's the exception. But I want to see Grubb have a legit chance with a better OL, staying in Seattle
This past Sunday against the Jets is hard to really pin on the offense (outside of that one trip to the goal line which was awful) because of the fumbles on special teams.
Defense has sucked for years while the offense was good. Now its the Offense's turn to suck now while the Defense is doing good finally. That makes sense i guess
We have to give Ryan grubb more time
Mcdonald doesn't want a finesse pass happy offense, I didn't understand this hire from the start. They need to find a coordinator that fits the head coaches philosophy.
Lewis way better than the guard trash this year
Don’t fire Grubb yet
If the saints doesn’t retain Klint Kubiak when they hire a new coach Seattle should try to get him
If, as I highly suspect is the case, Ryan Grubb and Mike Macdonald just aren't on the same page at all when it comes to what kind of an offense they want to run and how it works with the defense, then giving Grubb 1 or 2 more years like a lot of comments are advocating for isn't going to ever fix that and it's better to just move on to someone more aligned with Macdonald ASAP.
Mac has clearly stated he wants a strong run game. Grubb calls the most pass heavy attack in the league. Those two things don't go together. If he can't cook the given order he needs to get out of the kitchen.
yeah this convinced me we could do worlds much better than grub this offseason our oline aint even worse in the league rn 😂
The problem is the oline and health. We tried to make moves with fant and Williams but that didn’t pan out. We focused our draft of the defense. As stands our line isn’t doing going in rushing and just now giving time in the pass rush. Give it time we can’t balance pass and run game because of the line but grub does great utilizing the screen game with jsn in lieu of the run game. Just give it another off season. Y’all don’t remember the years after replacing Mike holmgrem and how ugly it was then
I dont know why we are so quick to give up on Grubb when it took Mcdonald up until we got Ernest Jones and put Knight as the other starting LB in to get the defense going. To then say Grubb needs to go after we complained about McDonalds playcalling for over half the season makes zero sense. Grubb has not been able to call a consistent offense when the oline has been this poor, I am not saying he has been perfect or hasnt had issues with his playcalling, but to say we can do better than Grubb doesn't track. We should at the very least give Grubb another season AND at least get us an average oline to give Grubb a fair evaluation. I also dont think Shane actualy did a better job at all, go look at when Seattle played good defenses last year.. we scored an average of 17.25 points over 8 games against good defenses (Bengals, Steelers, Titans, 49ers x2, Rams x2, Browns) and we didnt really do well in the division. This year 22.7 ppg vs last year 21.4.
some of his plays are way more creative than what we ever have had, still missing a lot. too much shotgun, redzone/short gain, no DK sweeps, repetitive play calls when not working (running up the gut).
NFL HEEBIE-JEEBIES, CAN'T HANDLE THE JUMP FROM COLLEGE TO PROS?
Outta your mind losing Grubb. Not enough tools on the OL. Coming together as the season goes on, but we need an OL draft
There are scheme issues with the Ryan Grubb scheme. You hope that he learns on the job to correct those things. Maybe he will. I hope so. He does some things good. He's eliminated probably 50 potential sacks by having Geno get the ball out after two reads. He's basically mitigated a lot of the deficiencies in the o-line. Now he needs to modify the college route tree, modify the college blocking scheme, and modify his college running scheme to work with the strengths of the personnel we have and NFL fields of play which are different from college.
Grubbs big issue is confidence, notice the offense got a bit better when he wasn't allowed to punt, he'll if geno was slightly more accurate they convert on the 2nd and goal grubb has nothing when it comes to red zone offense because the oline gets bullied so badly, he can't run a 3rd and 1 because they lose yards
The offensive line is a part of the overall offense. Which a unit under the offensive coordinator. Grubb doesn’t understand the needs and weakness of that line and is not providing the players and it shows.
What I worry is holding out on your special plays. Playoffs everything changes. I feel like San Francisco messed up their nutrition record. The season is longer. Run game is coming back. And covid messed up the draft for awhile. I think things will change. We have a winning record. I'd like to see them move the pocket. Geno run or throw away instead of throw a pick or take a huge sack. I think we are holding out for the games that matter. This season is weird.
Let’s not pretend like out line is trash and it’s a new system. We shouldn’t be calling for this guys job after one season. Let’s draft some oline talent and see where it goes next season
Why are people blaming grubb? The same people who said we can’t evaluate Geno currently because of the o line well same can be said for grubb. He inherited this bum ass o line give him time to try and fix it.
i would say give grubb another year improve the line in the off season and maybe a new rungame coordinator but mostly we dont run is cuz the line simply cant block shit i feel like the passing offense looks so much better compared to waldron last season how he activated jsn
Give Grubb time, when Mike McDonalds inherited this team. He already had solid defensive players, as for Grubb to inherit a below average offensive line. The play call and offensive scheme that GRUBB runs. Waldron took 2yrs to get offense going
Im willing to give it till the end of the season
No way. Grubb is a good coach for us he’s sure as hell better than Shane Waldron
I blame the GM. They were able to rebuild the Linebacking core. Why no o-line love? John Schneider has no idea how to build o-lines. Even the 13-14 team Oline was just average and I’d kill to be average right now.
Let's face it there will be alot of changing in the off season Mike Mac is the boss now and he's not going to put up with just ok
Grubb definitely needs to be more creative running I formation with a FB would help with DK/JSN with a tight end on the field might be the answer but this oline is the reason and the one built is John Schneider.
Timely video. Thanks.
I wrote a long drawn out message, but I am just going to boil it down to I really disagree. I don't think it's fair to evaluate Grubb given this bullshit offensive line he has been handed. Just this last game vs. the Jets I watched several run plays that would have worked if 1) Laken Tomlinson could block in space, 2) Cross could block anyone who runs a sub 5 40, 3) Kenneth Walker trusted blocks (can't blame him there, but he does cut back way too much). I mean Jesus, we have to run max protect just to get a play off. The one thing I will fault him on is creativity in the red zone. It don't matter though, if he and head coach don't see eye to eye he has to go.
Well said & totally agree👏
Let grub get a 3rd season atleast I have a good feeling
Grubb is calling plays for a team he doesn’t have. Week 1, it was long developing pass plays that resulted in almost THREE SAFETIES IN A HALF. A month later, it was a combined 7 rushing attempts for our two running backs while Geno was averaging 40-50 dropbacks a week with the worst o-line in the league. Now we can’t pick up a yard on any 3rd or 4th & 1. He’s 100% on the hot seat. With the defense playing the way it is. With the division wide open. If his playcalling costs us a chance to win the division, I want him gone in the offseason. It shouldn’t take this long to adjust to the team you have. I know the o line sucks. It’s been bad for damn near a decade. He should’ve known that coming in and had a plan ready. Instead he’s in shotgun no matter the situation. Rain, sunshine, 2nd & 1, 4th & inches at the goal line. 3 shotgun snaps went over Geno’s head on a rainy day in Seattle? Fuck it, let’s go shotgun again.
And these coaches who will be fired will more than likely be rehired including mcdaniel, stefanski, and taylor
I believe grubb has both arms are behind his back a bad oline,players who don't fit the scheme, no run game. If its someone to advise him than that fine. It totally stupid to blaming grubb for problems that is Schneider fault. I believe that grubb needs a oline especially up the middle and slowly i see improvement especially in the run game But blaming grubb for problems with a lack of running game, and worst oline is beyond ludicrous. When did waldron beat the niners, falcons etc. This is a college oc that needs time and if your so dang difficult on it. Let me know who will be better than stupid retreads. These guys listed will not help seattle offense with no oline. Who would be successful with a crap oline and a qb who throws a interception in each game. Reich isnt better than grubb once he learns the nfl. Patience is needed more than go for the grass is greener. Why in the heck would debofraud come to Washington when he in Alabama. It making me frustrated because guys who failed or will become head coach if fired.
He just told you in the video….Shane Waldron. The stats backed that up. The offense did much better last season with the same trashy oline and almost the same players…the offense literally carried defense last season.
I really hope the fools who blame the oline constantly instead of questioning Ryan Grubb’s scheme and play calls see this article. I really hope so. Also the fools who think Grubb is doing a better job than Waldron with the same awful oline…please go read this article, you fools! And I was not even Waldron’s fan…😒
I mean Waldron didn’t have to deal with old fart Tomlinson who gets blown up every play and can’t get to the second level because of how slow he is
Nervous fan energy.
Mike McCarthy or Mike McDowell to pair up with Mike MacDonald hahaha
Grubb is not getting fired after one year. That is what disfunctional organizations do. The o line is worse than last year. We had Damien Lewis last year now we have Tomlinson. Center and right guard are just as bad as last year. Grubb just needs to make adjustments when we actually have the personnel to run more play action and run the ball. Until we get a good offense line its impossible to fully evaluate Grubb or even Geno for that matter.
We have a trash O-Line, no coach could fix that. They just need better players, looking elsewhere is a bit short sighted.
I've stated this WELL before the season. I wasn't a fan of the Grubb or Huff hires at all. I told numerous people the issues we'll see consistently is gonna be with Grubb and Huff, and I was right.
I would love McDaniel as OC, no commentator would ever get either of their names right. 😂 MacDonald and McDaniel. He's so fun.
I think we have the worst Oline in the league. That’s the man problem. Can Grubb call better plays to decrease the number of plays where Kenneth Walker gets stuffed behind the line of scrimmage? Yes he can. Stop running the slow developing running plays. Go to more quick hitting running plays because the Oline aren’t holding there blocks very long. More basic blocking schemes.
Scott Huff fired. Ryan Grubb mired.
So let me get this straight your idea is getting a 1 year OC because the names you’ve mentioned that you would “jump on” are gonna be here 1 year as you stated then get a HC job somewhere else the following year? How does that make any sense to the stability of the team? Be great 1 year then go back to mediocrity the next year because they have to learn ANOTHER offense. That sounds like something the giants would do. No thank you I’m more inclined to give grubb time when we honestly don’t know what we have with him. We’ve seen some cool concepts at the beginning of the year and I think we’ve yet to see his ceiling yet give him TIME.
💯 THE TRUTH!!!
Ohh brother, first time NFL OC has struggles in his first season 😆😆😆 Totally not expected
not to mention the piss poor line play and a looking issues with injuries….
@@NotlikeByron and Geno playing like trash
Why talk,about grub when our oline is,garbo
Seahawks are 2nd in passing offense. Because they can't run the ball because their offensive line sucks. So they're getting the job done through the air. It's hard to try to establish the run when your offensive line is bad and you fall behind more than half of the games this year? With that said?They're in 1st place.. considering where this team was a month ago? this is incredible.. and you want to take pot shots? There's too many variables that play into this right now you are too far over your skis on this one.
All of these are overqualified to coach under such an inexperienced NFL head coach. Egos and human relationships can make these hires potentially very bad. I don’t think we can hire a former successful head coach until Macdonald has established himself as one.
Defense has been great,offense not so much,for people saying give him some time how much time do y’all want 😂season is almost over, I know our oline is trash
I gotta be honest man, I usually enjoy your content, but IMO you’re waaay off on this one. Saying Shane Waldron is better is complete BS. Shane waldrons play designs were completely bland, zero creativity, no clue how to use his weapons. I’m not advocating for grubb in this, but I just think your assessment is way off. Frankly I do think grub needs another season to figure things out, Ben Johnson wasn’t spectacular either his first go. Despite being 9-8. Seattle is on track to be 10-7 looking at the remaining schedule. McDaniel surely will not be fired. That’s just outta the question. Waldron is absolutely lost. You can’t make gold outta garbage, the Seattle coaching staff hasn’t even had one season, to say grubb is a problem is ridiculous. I guarantee one more season, coaching staff synergy, rework the roster, you’ll see a completely different team next season. I think you’re gonna eat crow on this man.
The O-line is terrible. What are you to do When you can't run the ball? You need to take a step back because they're in 1st. place? What first place isn't good enough for you? Grub hasn't throwing 12 INTs up to this point? A first-year head coach a first-year OC and they're in 1st place and you want a nitpick? You can say well the defense is playing better but you know what? You still have to score more points than the other team. You know we have struggled here and there all year and you find ourselves in first place.. and you want to start this? Be a Debbie Downer when it's called for. And stop speculating like another offensive coordinator would do better you don't know that?