After eight videos, I am about through with the series on the Apache but am likely going to do a Q&A style video. If you have any questions you would like me to respond to in the video about the Apache or any of the stories in the video, post them here and I will do my best to add them to the list or respond in the comments. Thank you for watching.
Some of this gets covered throughout your other videos, but I'd like to know how the colonists' conflict with the Native Americans differed from the Native American tribes' conflicts with one another. How were motives/relations different? My question comes more from an attempt to understand how much natural violent tendencies among humans were a factor versus the influences of cultural differences between colonists and natives.
Great series man! You say several times through your vids that Mexicans/Anericans taking an aggressive approach to the apache was a mistake. Question - was there another approach that could have ensured they could have lived alongside one another in relative peace? Feels to me as though conflict was likely inevitable as soon as each government had decided to settle the land
Great series man! You say several times through your vids that Mexicans/Anericans taking an aggressive approach to the apache was a mistake. Question - was there another approach that could have ensured they could have lived alongside one another in relative peace? Feels to me as though conflict was likely inevitable as soon as each government had decided to settle the land
I am a descendant from Mangus. From his daughter Nah k ds. She had a son Samuel haozous, who had a son Cecil, who had a daughter Rachel who had a daughter Pamela who was my mom. Great job telling the life of Mangus. I am a San Carlos Apache.
Thank you for your ancestor's legacy,and beeing aware of it at least. We live in evil times,when even the people with strongest of roots often forget how deep they are burried in the ground,so they often denounce them not knowing what power such legacy carries with itself. Best regards!
Dagot’ee 🪶 what an honor to be a descendent of Mangus Coloradas Red Sleeves. I am part Chircahua Apache of Chihuahua, our clan was brutally murdered by Mexicans and my great great grandmother was sold as a slave. All our relatives went through so much pain & sorrow. I pray the descendants of the men that did this to our people have non stop diseases & their offspring do not make it.
Dates and Dead Guys will blow up someday. It is one of the best history channels on YT. Love the story telling aspect of it, rather than just a boring lecture.
In the 70s when I was a kid, 12" Action figures were all the rage - in particular a line of Lone Ranger figures. I only ever had one of them, not being particularly well off, but the one I did have was an Apache named Red Sleeves. I never new who the namesake was, until now.
I am part Chiricahua Apache of Chihuahua & Gila, our relatives were from the same territory where my grandmother has land in the Magnus Coloradas territory. And her grandma hid in the Mogollon ruins from the U.S and Mexico. She was captured during one of the raids, she was taken from the rio grande river and kind 12 and then sold to a Mexican as a slave then adopted her eventually because his daughter had passed. We honor her so much & all the survivors of the genocide.
After watching this and the Apaches vs the Mexican video, I think someone needs to make this into a show, maybe Mexican and American studios could collaborate because this hole thing is epic, but also incredibly personal you could have multiple perspectives from the Apaches, Mexicans and Americans over years or generations it would be incredible.
Very true! What is interesting to me is why the Mexican people of that time period never referred to themselves as “Indians”? I have met a bunch of Mexican people and quite a few of them disregard their European heritage. But the Mexicans of 19th and 20th century obviously felt different. Would love more context
I like how you give a neutral and fair prospective on the Native American Wars and history, too much ideology and romanticism is involved when covering the topic, you handle the topic with nuance. Very good job!
Despite thinking I was going deef. I really enjoyed the details you laid out of the time line and chronological ancestry of the Apache. Much appreciated Hoss 🐎🏜️
@@datesanddeadguys It's all good teach. Minor difficulties. Just made me pay better attention. I highly appreciate all the leg work you put out. And your delivery is spot on. Thanks, your captive audience 🤠
Can you make a video on the Northern California Indian wars?Pretty interesting and relatively recent. Other than the Seminole the Hupa/Hoopa are the only other tribe to never have signed a peace treaty with the US. Outstanding video as always man, exactly the stuff I wanna see. Thank you for taking the time to do this!
Excellent viewing. Exactly what I've been missing for years. The history we were taught in our public schools was so far off target , lacking in any verifiable truth, that we would have been better off left ignorant than to be fed a pack of lies that many have gone to their graves believing.
My grandparents were related through Mangas Coloradas, my grandmother came from Carl Mangas and grandfather came from Seth Mooda. Barely found this out after building a complete family tree. In 2002 we took a medicine man out south of Hurley, NM to the military outpost location on a ranch where Mangas Coloradas, was murdered. He blessed our family, the ranch and my great great great grandfather's spirit with prayers, and song. My grandmother passed on 4 years after this took place RIP she was 92 years old and the last Warm Springs Chiricahua Apache born as a prisoner of war in Ft Sill Oklahoma in 1912.
Thank you for your ancestor's legacy,and beeing aware of it at least. We live in evil times,when even the people with strongest of roots often forget how deep they are burried in the ground,so they often denounce them not knowing what power such legacy carries with itself. Apache heroes such as Red Sleeves,Geronimo,Victoria ect. have signed themselves in to the world history of heroes,and by that their people as well. You will be always known amongst the good people of this Earth as the ones who stood in defiance of tirany and oppresionist colonial boot. Apaches in particular have paid dearly for that,so i wish you all good fortune in years to come,and rejuvenation to your people in every possible sense. Best of regards from the last standing indigenous village of old European continent (Serbia). We shall prevail!
It's amazing how little is known about these past events amongst the general public. I'm truly grateful for you and others like you who are bringing it to light. 👍 keep it up.
Very interesting channel. Especially seen from the EU, where this kind of subject isn't often covered. Wonderful painted illustrations too. Would it be possible to have the names of these illustrators, please ?
Thanks for the update of more information of Mangas Coloradas. You do a very good intense job of more information about Mangas Coloradas. Keep up the good work and info of the Native Americans.
Your videos are again awesome. As a Shoshone Bannock tribal member in Idaho. Id like more Great Basin if you do... FYI the mic was low this time. Had speakers and video up high and still hard to hear a bit
gripping. i put this video on as something to listen too while i get ready to go to the store. The end of the video and I still don't have my shoes on.
You really do a deep dive into this history. It's fascinating. The Apache wars are interesting topic of history. Please do some research on the Yaqui. That's an interesting story as well. I would like to see a video on their conflicts with the Spanish & Mexico.
Since you asked for q and a style comment I’m curious about how the southern Athabaskan people separated. If the Navajo and Apache were once the same people, then separated at one point. If so why and how. If not how’d 2 different Athabaskan people end up neighbours. I’m Canadian and am familiar with the dene. I was very surprised to find out southern American indigenous people were related, and also so warfare oriented. Dene up north have a reputation of actually being quite peaceful. Little fights with Cree and Inuit, but nothing on the Apache level violence.
Enjoyed 2 videos so far and have learned a lot. May I be so bold as to suggest that you spend more time on maps outlining territories and geography because many times I had to stop the video to get oriented by googling the names of mountains and towns, rivers etc. Many thanks.
Rough, tough, amazing people. My god. Took a bullet, in the chest, over 70, transported on horseback for hundreds of miles to a doctor in the 19th century, and lived. Come on, now. What the hell even is that?
.............VOLUME............. Another excellent video. I am a bit of a history buff and have only recently heard about poison arrows and even poison bullets used by North American tribes. Namely the Blackfeet , but I am assuming if they used them, (1820s) that other tribes used them also. Yet , I have heard very little mention of its actual use. Have you run across it's use in your research ?
Never heard of Coloradas thank you for this information sadness though is that although he seeked for peace the whole purpose of those who refuse it was to eliminate them as a people
I grew up in S. AZ, in Sonoita and in Dragoon on our cattle ranches. I fought Cochise, Geronimo, and many other brave Apache Warriors with my trusty Daisy lever action BB gun as a kid. It was good times back then. Had my horse Old Yeller who I could always find in the pasture and jump on and give a little kick and he'd head to the barn- effectively rescuing me from being left with less hair. I'm almost 40 now, and I miss those fights. Much respect to the real Warriors.
God gives life. He saw much good in that you He needed( needs/ Wants) you to walk this earth. People love is stronger than evil… God continue to bless this world with you AND BLESS YOU GREATLY
i get feeling deceived but how can the apache call the sneak attack on them an atrocity considering every attack or raid by them is done in the style of an ambush or sneak attack with no early warning whatsoever? you even describe one directly after the ambush made against them. must only be okay when its them doing the sneaking
Betraying the indicator of flag of surrender/emissary is a war crime seen as sick to even soldiers. They're not the only ones throughout history to think so.
Love your videos. My one criticism is the over editorializing when describing Native American actions that were often just as brutal or ruthless as those of the people trying to 'exterminate' you from your rightful land.
awesome!! wow man i love these stories..what amazes me is how EFFING TOUGH those apaches were.. AND how TOUGH the americans were to face such a fierce and fearsome and brutal opponent head on.. amazing time..makes us today look SOFT as f. thanks for the great story!
Paul Hutton’s the Apache Wars does a great job at detailing the Apache Conflicts with the Americans. Indeh by Eve Ball is great for Apache stories. My video series covers topics from the 1700s through 1937. Eight episodes I hope are worth people’s time.
@@datesanddeadguys I've watched your vids on the Comanche also. What I'm looking for to get me started is a linear chronology of what was going on in the west. This type of chronology was a huge help when I was researching the second world war.
Mangus was Geronimos chief of the Bedonkohe...but Cochise was considered the greatest Apache War chief...both respected Geronimo...and vice versa Mangus son was not very warlike and by the end did not like Geronimo and broke off from his band...
2:33 The Apaches raided and stole things as part of their general economy. I don't understand why people get bent when the Apache are referred to as thieves.
Not long ago I was in Mescalero NM stopping to get gas at the reservation gas station. I went into a separate store there to purchase water and a local tribal officer stared me down as I was paying at the cashier he had 3 hand grenadines attached to his tactical vest. Not much has changed Apache don’t trust strangers don’t blame them I left peacefully. I myself have a small amount of Jicarilla Apache on my dads side of the family.
I think that the fact that he put his life in front of his people means that not only was he their leader,but their true protector as well. It is easy to lead,yet often leaders take us to positions and places we would reathen not find ourselves in. Mangas Coloradas has done pretty much everything he could to stop the war against his people,even though he had many battles behind him,and was very much feared by his enemies,he still chose to walk amongst them unprotected and unguarded even though chances of peace were so small. Yet he knew that even that smallest particle of a chance had to be reached for,even at the cost of his own life. Now we can question centuries later if he chose to do so because he was wise and farseeing,and understood that the ways of the Red man in a wider sense are beeing erradicated as much as the Apaches themselves,or he did so because he was to naive? I chose to believe that that was the ultimate act of leadership,specially for someone who carrried weight of a name such as his. He knew in the end of the day that that things could go south,yet for the sake of his people he was willimg to lay his life even at the price of beeing tortured and humiliated in the worse possible ways. I somehow feel that for that one needs even more bravery,and lack of ego that not many historical leaders are famous for. Best regards from Serbia,the last standing indigenous village of old European continent,much love and respect for natives of both North and South American continents. We shall prevail ❤
I made it through 22 seconds before I gave up. I can barely hear the audio and it's something I would like to know more about. Increase the volume from your mic on all of your videos.
My great Grandma was born into the Apache. She just passed at 103 in January. I do not know the men in my family, but my great grandmother's blood runs through my veins. The women in my family are full of fire and they are not to be messed with. Before my great grandma died, she beat up two people who assaulted her and bloodied them up. I'm proud to be her great grandson.
Great video! So the third-6th generations back for me see “Native American” brides marrying dudes from Scotland/Ireland via what I could best guess was spain. Iberian of some sort for sure. All chiefs too. In context that displays a trend of hostage exchange done with a twist. I scratch your back in this side of the sea and you scratch mine on the other. Why these chiefs were tall like me were probably because they were British/Dutch/Spanish or whatever the hell you call it back then lol For me, this Chattan/Hesse connection of sorts can explain many things in the past where a nation suddenly has a swelling of ranks such as say Xerxes etc.. ottomans etc.. Irish invasions.. etc etc. Like some folk canoed on over to help raze a place and then when the highlands are cleared the clans help out the migrating clans from over the sea. These are specific clans and tribes though I’m speaking of but the foundations of the process may have been just an organic social construct of humans that live nomadic lives. Anyway I’m starting to ramble lol Great work I love your presentation awesome.
As a born bred Scotsman we here laugh at you fools in the USA claiming Clanship your ancestors bottled it and fled mine stayed. You are a Yank deal with it.
When people mention that Texas was stolen, they are referring to the Mexican government allowing Americans to move and live there but the Americans not following the laws of Mexico or wanting to be apart of Mexico. Mexico lost the Mexican American War so Texas; as well as, the other southwestern states were won fair and square. If Mexico won the war, kept Texas, and kicked the Americans out it would be the same thing and Americans couldn't complain that Texas was stolen from them.
@@SunsetAssassin That's just not correct. Study Mexican independence from Spain and the relationship between Santa Ana and Stephen F Austin. Mexico couldn't handle the Comanches
After eight videos, I am about through with the series on the Apache but am likely going to do a Q&A style video. If you have any questions you would like me to respond to in the video about the Apache or any of the stories in the video, post them here and I will do my best to add them to the list or respond in the comments. Thank you for watching.
Did the Apache have a blood quota?
Some of this gets covered throughout your other videos, but I'd like to know how the colonists' conflict with the Native Americans differed from the Native American tribes' conflicts with one another. How were motives/relations different? My question comes more from an attempt to understand how much natural violent tendencies among humans were a factor versus the influences of cultural differences between colonists and natives.
Great series man! You say several times through your vids that Mexicans/Anericans taking an aggressive approach to the apache was a mistake. Question - was there another approach that could have ensured they could have lived alongside one another in relative peace? Feels to me as though conflict was likely inevitable as soon as each government had decided to settle the land
Great series man! You say several times through your vids that Mexicans/Anericans taking an aggressive approach to the apache was a mistake. Question - was there another approach that could have ensured they could have lived alongside one another in relative peace? Feels to me as though conflict was likely inevitable as soon as each government had decided to settle the land
I am a descendant from Mangus. From his daughter Nah k ds. She had a son Samuel haozous, who had a son Cecil, who had a daughter Rachel who had a daughter Pamela who was my mom. Great job telling the life of Mangus. I am a San Carlos Apache.
Thank you for your ancestor's legacy,and beeing aware of it at least.
We live in evil times,when even the people with strongest of roots often forget how deep they are burried in the ground,so they often denounce them not knowing what power such legacy carries with itself.
Best regards!
Dagot’ee 🪶 what an honor to be a descendent of Mangus Coloradas Red Sleeves. I am part Chircahua Apache of Chihuahua, our clan was brutally murdered by Mexicans and my great great grandmother was sold as a slave. All our relatives went through so much pain & sorrow. I pray the descendants of the men that did this to our people have non stop diseases & their offspring do not make it.
Thanks for sharing!
I cannot express how excited I am to meet you, even if online :')
🙌🏽☀️ Mescalero Apache, still learning my full family tree
@@LaReinaDeMuerte444no one cares about your woo woo magic woman💀.
Dates and Dead Guys will blow up someday. It is one of the best history channels on YT. Love the story telling aspect of it, rather than just a boring lecture.
In the 70s when I was a kid, 12" Action figures were all the rage - in particular a line of Lone Ranger figures. I only ever had one of them, not being particularly well off, but the one I did have was an Apache named Red Sleeves. I never new who the namesake was, until now.
I am part Chiricahua Apache of Chihuahua & Gila, our relatives were from the same territory where my grandmother has land in the Magnus Coloradas territory. And her grandma hid in the Mogollon ruins from the U.S and Mexico. She was captured during one of the raids, she was taken from the rio grande river and kind 12 and then sold to a Mexican as a slave then adopted her eventually because his daughter had passed. We honor her so much & all the survivors of the genocide.
Low volume but very interesting story of the indigenous people
I thought it was on my end. Apparently not.
It was plenty loud enough... maybe get your ears tested.
Not indeginous crossed the bearing straight from Russia
@@sunnyjim1355 🤡
@@sunnyjim1355relax dude even with headphones in this video is much quieter than his other videos , that’s all he’s saying
After watching this and the Apaches vs the Mexican video, I think someone needs to make this into a show, maybe Mexican and American studios could collaborate because this hole thing is epic, but also incredibly personal you could have multiple perspectives from the Apaches, Mexicans and Americans over years or generations it would be incredible.
Writing a script for it now.
Very true! What is interesting to me is why the Mexican people of that time period never referred to themselves as “Indians”? I have met a bunch of Mexican people and quite a few of them disregard their European heritage. But the Mexicans of 19th and 20th century obviously felt different. Would love more context
💯 Something like centennial or shogun by james michener
So why should Europeans have anything to do with it?
-COMANCHE NATION
@@LadoEste9most Mexicans from Mexico don’t disregard their European ancestry its just the Mexican Americans that do that
Enjoyed the video. I have never heard of Mangas Coloradas. A great leader trying to help his people in historically tough times.
A result usually when big men go to small men for reason.
I like how you give a neutral and fair prospective on the Native American Wars and history, too much ideology and romanticism is involved when covering the topic, you handle the topic with nuance. Very good job!
This was a GREAT story, thanks for posting.
Despite thinking I was going deef. I really enjoyed the details you laid out of the time line and chronological ancestry of the Apache. Much appreciated Hoss 🐎🏜️
Sorry about the audio. New mic. Clearly have to get it worked out.
@@datesanddeadguys It's all good teach. Minor difficulties. Just made me pay better attention. I highly appreciate all the leg work you put out. And your delivery is spot on. Thanks, your captive audience 🤠
Haven’t heard “deef” since my great-aunt!
@@audreyguilbeaucalhoun5713 and that's why she is your Great aunt.
Can you make a video on the Northern California Indian wars?Pretty interesting and relatively recent. Other than the Seminole the Hupa/Hoopa are the only other tribe to never have signed a peace treaty with the US. Outstanding video as always man, exactly the stuff I wanna see. Thank you for taking the time to do this!
Tough land, tough people.
savages
They worshipped creation rather than our creator . Worshipped nature like morons
@@johnmatthews4717so are we my dude. Dont forget that worst atrocities happened in Europe
@@jackdaniels6536 No one, but no one fails to understand how barbaric Europeans are.
@@johnmatthews4717hell yea we are
Excellent viewing. Exactly what I've been missing for years. The history we were taught in our public schools was so far off target , lacking in any verifiable truth, that we would have been better off left ignorant than to be fed a pack of lies that many have gone to their graves believing.
My grandparents were related through Mangas Coloradas, my grandmother came from Carl Mangas and grandfather came from Seth Mooda. Barely found this out after building a complete family tree. In 2002 we took a medicine man out south of Hurley, NM to the military outpost location on a ranch where Mangas Coloradas, was murdered. He blessed our family, the ranch and my great great great grandfather's spirit with prayers, and song. My grandmother passed on 4 years after this took place RIP she was 92 years old and the last Warm Springs Chiricahua Apache born as a prisoner of war in Ft Sill Oklahoma in 1912.
Thank you for your ancestor's legacy,and beeing aware of it at least.
We live in evil times,when even the people with strongest of roots often forget how deep they are burried in the ground,so they often denounce them not knowing what power such legacy carries with itself.
Apache heroes such as Red Sleeves,Geronimo,Victoria ect. have signed themselves in to the world history of heroes,and by that their people as well.
You will be always known amongst the good people of this Earth as the ones who stood in defiance of tirany and oppresionist colonial boot.
Apaches in particular have paid dearly for that,so i wish you all good fortune in years to come,and rejuvenation to your people in every possible sense.
Best of regards from the last standing indigenous village of old European continent (Serbia).
We shall prevail!
Love the content and delivery! I look forward to more of the channel . Straight to the point with no b.s.
Been subscribed to your channel for a few months now. The illustrations you use for your episodes are excellent.
It's amazing how little is known about these past events amongst the general public. I'm truly grateful for you and others like you who are bringing it to light. 👍 keep it up.
Bro love your channel but I can't hear this one and I got volume all the way up.
Very interesting channel. Especially seen from the EU, where this kind of subject isn't often covered. Wonderful painted illustrations too. Would it be possible to have the names of these illustrators, please ?
This is my new favorite Channel, great story telling brother.
Thanks for the update of more information of Mangas Coloradas. You do a very good intense job of more information about Mangas Coloradas. Keep up the good work and info of the Native Americans.
Your videos are again awesome. As a Shoshone Bannock tribal member in Idaho. Id like more Great Basin if you do... FYI the mic was low this time. Had speakers and video up high and still hard to hear a bit
gripping. i put this video on as something to listen too while i get ready to go to the store. The end of the video and I still don't have my shoes on.
You really do a deep dive into this history. It's fascinating. The Apache wars are interesting topic of history. Please do some research on the Yaqui. That's an interesting story as well. I would like to see a video on their conflicts with the Spanish & Mexico.
Another great video! I have always been interested in the so called "Apache Wars". Thanks again!
I appreciate the details you present. Information not heard anywhere else.
Fine analysis, as usual. Thanks !
Your information keeps me glued, leaving me eager for more. Thanks;)
I really enjoy your channel and have shared it with others but for some reason your volume is too low or your mic too far away.
Fr the video is great but the audio is terrible
Since you asked for q and a style comment I’m curious about how the southern Athabaskan people separated. If the Navajo and Apache were once the same people, then separated at one point. If so why and how. If not how’d 2 different Athabaskan people end up neighbours. I’m Canadian and am familiar with the dene. I was very surprised to find out southern American indigenous people were related, and also so warfare oriented. Dene up north have a reputation of actually being quite peaceful. Little fights with Cree and Inuit, but nothing on the Apache level violence.
Enjoyed 2 videos so far and have learned a lot. May I be so bold as to suggest that you spend more time on maps outlining territories and geography because many times I had to stop the video to get oriented by googling the names of mountains and towns, rivers etc. Many thanks.
The volume is too low for me to hear.
Think about it as a good thing. Like when you want to play something for bed time
As always another amazing story told by a great story teller! Your videos rock brother.
Poor Mangas a legend who's spirit never dies ! 🤘🔥
Another great episode...
Only suggestion would be inverse volume or speak a little louder...
Look forward to more episodes...
Rough, tough, amazing people.
My god.
Took a bullet, in the chest, over 70, transported on horseback for hundreds of miles to a doctor in the 19th century, and lived.
Come on, now.
What the hell even is that?
Love your content, just binged all of your videos so waitinggg on your new stuff. Thank you
Unfortunately these things usually take me about 3 weeks. But I’m working on something with the Comanche next
@@datesanddeadguys nooo no rush, these are actual masterpieces man. I just meant I’m anticipating each and everyone lol.
That means a lot. A lot of reading and script work goes into these things. A year from now I hope I can say they are substantially better.
@@datesanddeadguys it’s hard for me to watch any other historians man, no clue what it is, but you got it, so please, keep it going! We love it!!
Love your videos so informative ... but have noticed past few weeks your volume is really reduced.
Great videos but the audio needs work. Some videos are loud other are quiet. Love the stories though!!
I'm glad I found your channel very interesting ,thanks 👍
.............VOLUME.............
Another excellent video.
I am a bit of a history buff and have only recently heard about poison arrows and even poison bullets used by North American tribes.
Namely the Blackfeet , but I am assuming if they used them, (1820s) that other tribes used them also.
Yet , I have heard very little mention of its actual use.
Have you run across it's use in your research ?
Never heard of Coloradas thank you for this information sadness though is that although he seeked for peace the whole purpose of those who refuse it was to eliminate them as a people
Well done as usual 👍
Curiosly the photos of the skull show signs of acromegaly.
The best on you tube, please dont stop 🙏
Truly fascinating, can you do a series on the Seminole Indians?
Magnus coloradas name comes from Red Long John shirt worn under leather shirt.. 2:53
I grew up in S. AZ, in Sonoita and in Dragoon on our cattle ranches. I fought Cochise, Geronimo, and many other brave Apache Warriors with my trusty Daisy lever action BB gun as a kid. It was good times back then. Had my horse Old Yeller who I could always find in the pasture and jump on and give a little kick and he'd head to the barn- effectively rescuing me from being left with less hair.
I'm almost 40 now, and I miss those fights.
Much respect to the real Warriors.
You do a great job of telling the stories always look forward to your videos and now have my son's watching them thank you
These paintings are amazing...maybe you can put links in the description? Or even the artist, that would be awesome.
How did the US civil war affected the war against the Indians?
PS: the sound of ur vid is too low, much lower than the commercials.
Some supposedly joined the forces
Great video but you gotta improve your audio
Love the channel man. I have no problem with learning more history.
Being Apache and Mexican, I am conflicted.
Same man, my mom is mexican from Tepatitlan jalisco and my pops is part mescalero apache and Spaniard from chama new mexico.
God gives life. He saw much good in that you He needed( needs/ Wants) you to walk this earth. People love is stronger than evil… God continue to bless this world with you AND BLESS YOU GREATLY
Great video, but you need to turn up your mike. I have my volume cranked and it is hard to hear you, thanks.
i get feeling deceived but how can the apache call the sneak attack on them an atrocity considering every attack or raid by them is done in the style of an ambush or sneak attack with no early warning whatsoever? you even describe one directly after the ambush made against them. must only be okay when its them doing the sneaking
Betraying the indicator of flag of surrender/emissary is a war crime seen as sick to even soldiers. They're not the only ones throughout history to think so.
If you’re going diving with Dates & Dead Guys; take an extra tank, because Homeboy goes deep!
Love your videos. My one criticism is the over editorializing when describing Native American actions that were often just as brutal or ruthless as those of the people trying to 'exterminate' you from your rightful land.
I feel he’s pretty even handed, he doesn’t pull punches about the actions of either side
Every time i watch these videos i re-read blood meriden
audio is almost undistinguishable... unfortunate as I look forward to your new uploads
awesome!! wow man i love these stories..what amazes me is how EFFING TOUGH those apaches were.. AND how TOUGH the americans were to face such a fierce and fearsome and brutal opponent head on.. amazing time..makes us today look SOFT as f.
thanks for the great story!
We are so weak now days , hell people cry over videos and words lol .. to many social justice warriors now days and activist .
I've been bitten by the learning bug. Does there exist a chronological list of events, dates, places, and people of this era?
Paul Hutton’s the Apache Wars does a great job at detailing the Apache Conflicts with the Americans. Indeh by Eve Ball is great for Apache stories. My video series covers topics from the 1700s through 1937. Eight episodes I hope are worth people’s time.
@@datesanddeadguys I've watched your vids on the Comanche also. What I'm looking for to get me started is a linear chronology of what was going on in the west. This type of chronology was a huge help when I was researching the second world war.
Mangus was Geronimos chief of the Bedonkohe...but Cochise was considered the greatest Apache War chief...both respected Geronimo...and vice versa
Mangus son was not very warlike and by the end did not like Geronimo and broke off from his band...
Your volume is a little low my man. Good vid
Yeah. I tested out a new mic. Didn’t go great. Sorry. I’ll work it out for the next one.
First story I've heard on This ch. Good stuff salute to you
2:33 The Apaches raided and stole things as part of their general economy. I don't understand why people get bent when the Apache are referred to as thieves.
Wouldn't raiders or pillagers be a more apt description though?
@@serderpiticus9180 would you call a home invasion robbery an act of pillaging?
Is it only me or is Dates and Dead Guys' videos really quiet? I love the vids but I always have to pump my volume up to like 200%
Thanks for another episode, good stuff!!!
great video! the audio seemed a bit low though~
Not long ago I was in Mescalero NM stopping to get gas at the reservation gas station. I went into a separate store there to purchase water and a local tribal officer stared me down as I was paying at the cashier he had 3 hand grenadines attached to his tactical vest. Not much has changed Apache don’t trust strangers don’t blame them I left peacefully. I myself have a small amount of Jicarilla Apache on my dads side of the family.
Great story, bro.... 🙄
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Bunch of racist wife beaters .
I think that the fact that he put his life in front of his people means that not only was he their leader,but their true protector as well.
It is easy to lead,yet often leaders take us to positions and places we would reathen not find ourselves in.
Mangas Coloradas has done pretty much everything he could to stop the war against his people,even though he had many battles behind him,and was very much feared by his enemies,he still chose to walk amongst them unprotected and unguarded even though chances of peace were so small.
Yet he knew that even that smallest particle of a chance had to be reached for,even at the cost of his own life.
Now we can question centuries later if he chose to do so because he was wise and farseeing,and understood that the ways of the Red man in a wider sense are beeing erradicated as much as the Apaches themselves,or he did so because he was to naive?
I chose to believe that that was the ultimate act of leadership,specially for someone who carrried weight of a name such as his.
He knew in the end of the day that that things could go south,yet for the sake of his people he was willimg to lay his life even at the price of beeing tortured and humiliated in the worse possible ways.
I somehow feel that for that one needs even more bravery,and lack of ego that not many historical leaders are famous for.
Best regards from Serbia,the last standing indigenous village of old European continent,much love and respect for natives of both North and South American continents.
We shall prevail ❤
Really great videos and learned a lot, how about other Indian nations, I am a decendent of the Navajo, they had a leader named Manuelito,
Actually my grandmother Evelyn Martine was 96 years old when she passed in 2006
lol down in San Carlos we still make booze with the corn mash. Taste nasty but it definitely gets the job done.
I love your videos dude.great work
I do hope one day you would do a video on Buffalo hump or Jon Joel Glanton?
Strange how many comments seem to be cut off mid sentence
Enjoyed the video but the sound needs to be turned up. I have s new phone with a loud volume in it but could barely hear this.
Love the stories, but the audio is a bit too low. Can you up the recording volume?
It's funny that the Apache guy's nickname was a spanish word for "strong." Fuerte. 😂
Great series, please fix your audio levels though
Wish the volume was higher because when commercials kick in it becomes super loud :-/
Another great video, sound volume is too low. My volume is full and still can’t hear very well.
audio is hard to hear. need a new microphone. great content ! thank you
I made it through 22 seconds before I gave up. I can barely hear the audio and it's something I would like to know more about. Increase the volume from your mic on all of your videos.
My great Grandma was born into the Apache. She just passed at 103 in January. I do not know the men in my family, but my great grandmother's blood runs through my veins. The women in my family are full of fire and they are not to be messed with. Before my great grandma died, she beat up two people who assaulted her and bloodied them up. I'm proud to be her great grandson.
Im Mexican and Native American Apache mixed. Oka hey. True advisory the igai
Volume needs to be louder I can barely hear this with a new huge speaker turned all the way up
living by the sword caught up to him.
Love the videos
We didn't steal Texas, Anglo and Mexican Texans alike fought for independace from Mexico.
Hi from Germany, this was very interesting. Thank you.
Nobody cares where you're from; so why even state it, unless you think it's something special we'd all appreciate knowing? 🤷♂
Perfect example of how the ones against the Apache could not be trusted! I'd say who they are but ? It would offend
Should've come to us instead of them 🇲🇽
Great video! So the third-6th generations back for me see “Native American” brides marrying dudes from Scotland/Ireland via what I could best guess was spain. Iberian of some sort for sure. All chiefs too.
In context that displays a trend of hostage exchange done with a twist.
I scratch your back in this side of the sea and you scratch mine on the other.
Why these chiefs were tall like me were probably because they were British/Dutch/Spanish or whatever the hell you call it back then lol
For me, this Chattan/Hesse connection of sorts can explain many things in the past where a nation suddenly has a swelling of ranks such as say Xerxes etc.. ottomans etc.. Irish invasions.. etc etc.
Like some folk canoed on over to help raze a place and then when the highlands are cleared the clans help out the migrating clans from over the sea.
These are specific clans and tribes though I’m speaking of but the foundations of the process may have been just an organic social construct of humans that live nomadic lives.
Anyway I’m starting to ramble lol
Great work I love your presentation awesome.
As a born bred Scotsman we here laugh at you fools in the USA claiming Clanship your ancestors bottled it and fled mine stayed. You are a Yank deal with it.
The volume is SUPER LOW for some reason. I can't even hear it.
I have to turn the volume up a lot too
Your microphone needs improvement as every time it goes to an ad, the ad is excruciatingly loud.
Stole Texas? Not exactly
When people mention that Texas was stolen, they are referring to the Mexican government allowing Americans to move and live there but the Americans not following the laws of Mexico or wanting to be apart of Mexico.
Mexico lost the Mexican American War so Texas; as well as, the other southwestern states were won fair and square.
If Mexico won the war, kept Texas, and kicked the Americans out it would be the same thing and Americans couldn't complain that Texas was stolen from them.
@@SunsetAssassin That's just not correct. Study Mexican independence from Spain and the relationship between Santa Ana and Stephen F Austin. Mexico couldn't handle the Comanches
Turn up the volume, please.
9:47 its called tulapai
DID YOU ORDER A 'CODE RED'?!?!
Reckon some old man has mangus' head in a bookcase or such somewhere?