The only conclusion I can come with the incident @8:30 is the driver of the black Fiesta is actually the same person as the the man seen running away and had travelled back in time from the future to prevent himself being arrested. Happy Christmas Ash!
Thanks for including my clip - I was the driver of the black car who was hit by the HGV, as many of you have guessed, it was a left hand drive vehicle, I didn't pick up this until he got out, though. In hindsight I would have done many things different, as Ashley rightly pointed out in his analysis. At the time I saw that he was alongside me and I was about to slow and let him in, but he also slowed so I decided to carry on (which created the gap to the car in front), assuming he has seen me and was going to filter in behind me. But in the end it was all sorted out peacefully and we both carried on with our day.
Whenever I’m next to a lorry on a motorway, whether I’m overtaking it or sitting in traffic, I’ve always got one eye on its position and behaviour in its lane to check it’s not coming across.
Every vehicle I come across I will look at the numberplate when possible, as that’ll give me a clue of what hand drive it’ll be. If it has a EU plate I give it more leeway and room when doing their manoeuvres. Also in the situations similar to your clip I will always allow the HGV ahead, just for my own safety more than anything.
A thing I want to add to the incident at 6:14, I noticed the lorry had a sign "Angles Morts" on its door, which indicates to me that it came from the mainland. A quick google of the company confirms it's based in the Benelux. So the truck driver might have had an even more obstructed viewpoint for their merge.
Appropriate, since "angles morts" can be translated as "blind corners". French drivers put that on to alert others they have blind spots, especially on lorries.
@@edwardpurkis1084 Don't always take that as an almost certain. Many of our trucks at work have curbside mirrors on both sides (probably for more view in these situations, admittedly) so a mirror on the door looking down is less of a guarantee than most might think.
it was an european left hand drive, the clue was the downward mirror on top of the door. that is always opposite to the driver. still, lorry driver's fault on this, merging without making sure the lane was clear,but the car driver really did not help at all....
Yes. Google finds this "As of January 1, 2021, it is a legal requirement in France that all vehicles and trailers weighing at least 3.5 tons must have an "Angles Morts" sticker."
2:15 i recall reading, probably in the highway code way back, that if you're crossing straight then u have priority over the one opposite indicating right, irrespective of say who arrived at the give way lines first. Nonetheless i would anticipate a noggin not adhering to that, and in fact I've never encountered it, somewhat backing up my recollection of the rules
Yes, the way I was taught in Luxembourg is that when the two cars get out of the same priority roads, it's the one sitting on the right (i.e. changing lanes) that needs to give way to the one heading straight.
In the Netherlands, that is one of the two basic rules in traffic. Drivers coming from the right have priority, traffic that goes straight ahead has priority. Drivers is everyone excluding pedestrians (so including bicycles for example) and traffic means everyone (including pedestrians).
important to note that the truck at 6:20 is left hand drive. you can tell this by the curb mirror pointing down above the side window. this is always on the opposite side to the driver.
It was very clear for a very long time what was about to happen on that first one. The silver one was very poor but it should have been seen and sorted bt the camera car every day of the week
10:25 I probably wouldn't have thought of this if I were in that situation, but in hindsight, it would have been safer to maintain speed and drift left into that red area until I could see if the Range Rover was committed to overtaking or not
I have been surprised by your comment on the clip at 2:10 that there is no specific right or way in such a case. I thought that if I turn right at such a crossing like the Toyota SUV, I would HAVE to give right of way to the on-coming car (which is filming) because by turning right I would cross his path and he has precedence.
Regarding the second clip around @2:00 this surprises me. I'm pretty sure that when I passed my UK driving test back in 1992 the highway code said that the priority would have been giving to the car going straight ahead. You had to give way if you wished to cross somebody's path (eg the car turning right). Has this rule changed now?
I was taught that the road user with the greater involvement with the main carriageway had priority. So a person joining has priority over some passing. Naturally a person in the main road has overall priority. The logic is sound and hasn't caught me out yet.
Not going to lie, i'm more annoyed with the silver car lane skipping, If he didnt cross the white lines, im wondering if the accident would of even happened, since they would of had to go straight more.
@1:54 i am a little baffled. when 2 vehicles with no right of way meet, the one going forward should take priority. or at least that;s how i was taught,not uk driving school tho. what rulles apply when you want to turn right? don;t you have to give way to oncoming traffic?
At around 5:00 with the car getting its mirror clipped. This is exactly why on any narrow stretch of road, I generally fold in my driver's side door mirror. I've mentioned this before on Ashley's channel and received some criticism for it, re I then don't have a proper view behind me to my right. Given that it's a narrow road, this isn't too much of a temporary hardship versus losing the mirror altogether. As soon as I'm on a wider stretch of road, I unfold my mirror again.
@@SpeccyMan You are absolutely correct and I have now gone back and edited it. Interestingly, my Mum who is a retired teacher is always on the lookout for that. She might have given me a gentle roasting over my error today!
I must admit, the first time I watched the clip with the collision at the roundabout (1:31), I was focussed on the black car aggressively tailgating and missed the signs that the silver car was going to do something silly.
really ? well I was also watching the cars right up front but the indicator blinking caught my eye straightaway :) guess it pays off for me to have eyes all over my head when driving :D especially in the UK
I am a little surprised at your admission but it does demonstrate how easy it is to focus our attention on one thing and fail to notice another right in front of us. I saw the silver car indicate early and couldn't understand why the cammer just seemed to plough on regardless, but yes it only takes a moment for your attention to be elsewhere for you to miss something crucial.
Regarding the second clip, at the intersection, I'm amazed that in the UK straight ahead vehicles are not given priority over right turning vehicles. That is certainly the case here in New Zealand.
It's a bit of an odd one - some people treat it as ahead has priority over right turners, but others treat is as first come, first served. From memory, the Highway Code doesn't really seem to say anything about the situation, so it's best to just assume no one has priority. Not the only situation on the roads where the UK is almost unique in having no formal rules about it!
This is specifically regarding situations where both vehicles are emerging from give way lines. Straight ahead traffic on a through road definitely has priority over right turners. Unsignalised crossroads are actually very uncommon on UK roads so the rules aren't 100% clear.
@@JayAmber I spent 20 plus years driving in the UK. I had picked up on the give way line, but after many years driving under a different set of road rules, it is still surprising when these decisions are not guided by the highway code.
Surprised me too! All other European countries that I have driven in always have traffic turning left (equal to right in UK) as the least prioritised, if on equally prioritised roads. Which is the scenario here.
Turning right means crossing the centre line of the road, meaning changing lanes, meaning give way. The vehicles going ahead stay on their lane, so they don't have to give way to vehicles turning right, unless the signs or traffic lights say otherwise.
The clip starting at 1:52: in the UK there's no rule that traffic going straight has priority in that situation? Here in the Netherlands, traffic going straight on always has priority over vehicles turning across their path from the same road. It also seems like the logical thing to do to me (as you said). The final clip shows why I'm hesitant to change speed when somebody is overtaking, even if I think there's not enough room for them to complete the overtake.
I never brake when someone is overtaking me, but I always let off the accelerator or disable the Cruise Control, if I see the overtake is too close for comfort, may do an emergency bake if I thought it's going for a collision, but that's when the car overtaking is in front of me already, as in in my line of view, not just spotted in the mirror.
1:13. 100% agree with you, both drivers fault. Both. Grey car, for being in the wrong lane for turning right. And the viewer, seen the indicator you slow down. And DON’T pass the car. Don’t. You slow down, you see the indicator. Learn from it, make you a better driver
@2:40 Maybe the car held back to get a better view of traffic to the left. Van driver pulled forwards after giving way to gain a couple of car lengths? Junctions was still not clear.
Black Ford seems to measure their speed around the bend as if looking for someone, then line up and accelerate - I suspect more going on behind that one - I saw similar once and it was a dispute between some girl's ex and her boyfriend which ended up with them repeatedly ramming each others vehicles at low speed.
I've had a very similar situation to the last one, but thankfully no collision, just a very angry driver. There were differences though: we were moving faster, the 'overtaker' was already tailgating, and she was part-way alongside me when she panicked, coinciding with me braking to prevent the head-on with the car that had just come into view. Apparently, according to the lady in the Alpha, it was all my fault - at least that's what her violent gestures seemed to indicate.
I also had the same situation with a much faster and dangerous driver. There was no collision because I didn't drastically misread the situation and slam on the brakes with the car right behind me.
Ashley would have far fewer clips to share if people stopped using roundabouts as an opportunity to overtake, and kept in a staggered formation. Roundabouts - especially on fast, busy roads - have a big potential to lead to collisions, yet so many people fail to give them the wary respect they deserve.
There were several failures in the clip shown. The silver car had driven over three ahead only arrows for a start and its driver ought to have made proper observation instead of signalling and hoping for the best. It was obtuse of the cam car driver to drive into a vehicle that had been signalling so long. I don’t agree with making another rule for everything. I do agree with making space for others to make mistakes at all times, as they inevitably will but it took me 20 years using the same roundabout before I experienced a near miss like this. I see lack of respect for roundabout lane markings as a broader problem and because this incident may have involved blind spot issues, I suggest there is value to all of us in getting the best possible field from our door mirror at all times.
Roundabout lane discipline is dreadful and mirror checks on roundabouts is non existent for lots of car drivers. One thing all sorts of drivers are guilty of is correct signalling on roundabouts. Proper signals help flow and reduce tailbacks but when most cannot be bothered to signal intent, tailbacks are the result.
clip at 6:14 - Make sure you can see the lorry driver in one or more of their mirrors. If you can't or the driver doesn't look at you make space. Realistically there wasn't the space to make sure that the Volvo didn't end up moving into the space that was needed by the viewer to get in front of the lorry.
That last clip is a collision scenario that I don't think I have seen before on a dashcam clip. That's another one to keep in the mental hazard perception catalogue.
That second clip at around 2:18. I've had to negotiate a similar cross roads but with a very blind view of the main road to my right...and I'm turning right. I've then had a car come along the main road from left to right and wanting to turn right into the side road that I'm waiting to turn right out of. The main road car then holds back to let me make my blind right turn turn onto the main road. They might even flash me. But either way, I've had to guard against feeling pressured to emerge quickly or to think that their flash was to give me the all clear to pull out. I still have to edge out very cautiously due to the blind view to my right. This is also where it helps to wind down your window and turn down your radio.
1:52 I keep finding statements similar to this if you Google cross road priority "In the United Kingdom, there are two primary principles for determining who has right of way: Drivers on major roads receive priority over those on minor roads. Priority is given to vehicles travelling straight ahead or turning left." But you said no one has priority at that type of cross road. The problem is I can find nothing in the highway code to support either view. Hypothetically, if that junction had traffic lights then the cammer would have priority, why would it not be the same without traffic lights? Without priority, the risk is neither makes a move and then both change their mind and go at the same time making is more dangerous than saying those turning left or going straight on have priority.
I love watching these videos, they confirm a lot of ways I drive is the correct way, the amount of times I have been tooted at for stopping or slowing right down on a narrow road is unreal, Harlech is notorious, I had a wing mirror clipped (luckily no damage) by a lorry who ploughed right through, I had come to an almost stop, car behind wasn't too happy though. I just wish we could teach stupid, Alas the people who watch these types of videos are the ones who want to improve, not the ones who need to!
Just wanna wish you a Merry Christmas Ashley and that I've just recently passed my driving test first time with two minors. I strongly believe that its a combination of a good instructor and your videos which have made me read the roads and the behaviour of other users. I'd love to visit Liverpool and maybe see if I can do anything to continue improving and learning with you.
For the clip at 4:50 in regards to collision in narrow gaps or roads. I am going to contribute what was taught to me by my previous employer when I was been trained to be one of their Driver Trainers on vans... In this scenario we were always told to make sure we were driving slow enough to bring the van to a safe stop before the point of a collision... Because the way it was viewed by my previous employers insurance company is the party that stopped in time was the one driving at a safe enough speed to avoid a collision and they then can't be at fault for being a stationary vehicle... all emphasis of liability would be on the party who hit a stationary vehicle. If both were moving at point of collision, even if it was a slow speed scrape... Then it is seen as both were going to fast or been to impatient for the situation and liability is split 50/50.... I thought this over and theoretically applied it to other scenarios it does make a lot of sense over all.
Crossroad priority when emerging…I have a simple rule which is the same as yours, don’t cross paths with anyone. If you are both turning right then make eye contact with the driver opposite. Once that happens it becomes clear if one is happy for the other to go first and I try to make the eye contact long before a gap appears in the traffic. If you can’t make eye contact (the other driver doesn’t look at you for example) then take it as they haven’t seen you and are going to go regardless 👍
In the US, it's pretty simple. Those turning left give way to those going straight. In the second example (assuming we were in the US using STOP signs, the car turning across us would have his signal on, and would wait (if we had both arrived at the same time), otherwise, it's First There First Go.
I usually slow right down on approach, holding back from the give-way line, suggesting to the driver opposite that I'm in no hurry, implicitly inviting them to execute their turn before I get there.
@@jaycee330 and correspondingly, if it is a crossroads (which is the most common junction here) then two left turning cars will be expected to turn tighter to pass without crossing paths, rather than going around each other as if it was a mini roundabout.
@@jaycee330 - same here, if you swap right for left. All things being equal the vehicle proceeding straight ahead always has priority over a vehicle that is turning. It is as with navigation and aviation. If they are both turning right there is no conflict when passing left side to left side, as it should be. I've said it before, the junction priority laws and conventions in the UK are an utter mess.
@@nuntius1933 "the vehicle proceeding straight ahead always has priority over a vehicle that is turning." I have always thought this was correct but Ashley states " No vehicle has priority"
The mirror clip, looks linke that bridge might benefit from traffic lights or at least some priority signage with perhaps further road narrowing at each end.
if you are about to be overtaken but there is an oncoming vehicle then it is hard to know what to do. Do you brake to give them more time to get ahead? Or do you continue and hope that they abort their overtake? Either way it seems to be just a matter of luck whether or not you make the best decision.
Firstly you maintain your speed, the overtaking vehicle is making its judgment on how you have been driving beforehand. Then you keep an eye on the overtaking vehicle (to monitor its progress, keep looking ahead as well), if they get 50% passed you then start to think about slowing down as most likely they are committing to overtake, if they start to back out, possibly be ready to speed up to give them more space to brake. The worst thing to do is brake suddenly as they have no braking zone as they are too close while on the wrong side of the road. I drive a van and sometimes i ease off the throttle when a vehicle commits to overtake me even when its clear and safe for them to overtake, just to give them that space when they move back over in front as sometimes they cut back in which leaves me with small braking zone if they decide to emergency stop after the overtake. But it's important to be observant of the overtaker and what feels like doing the opposite of what they do, ease off if they commit to overtake, speed up if they abandon it until they have a braking zone then go back to the speed you want to be at.
It's probably best to meet the situation in the middle. Don't hit the brakes but do slow down and move left. That way if they abort, there is less of a chance of a rear end impact like in this clip. Or if they commit to the overtake, moving left will give them more room, especially if the oncoming car moves over too.
At 6:15 I would have held back to allow the car and lorry to merge rather than bunch up for a one in one along merge. Easier for both parties to see each other then That is me though and everyone is different and completely understand the move up and close the gap to the vehicle in front…just be careful of the lorry on the sliproad doing the same if they haven’t already seen you
Yes there were two options open, hold back for the lorry or accelerate in front of it, sticking by the side of a lorry for longer than absolutely necessary is never a good idea.
coming up a slip road, I try to drive as though everyone on the road is oblivious to me. on the road coming to a slip road, I try to drive as though the motorist coming up the slip road is incompetent at merging.
6:14 to say the cammer is in truckers blind spot it absolute rubbish. The position of the cammer at 6.14 is exactly what the side view convex mirror is there to see. Not forgetting the cam vehicle is much much longer than the camera lenz.
The clip with the merging lorry at around 6:36 I am also wondering if the cam car had the opportunity to see if the HGV was British registered or otherwise. This of course would have had a bearing as to the likelihood of it being left hand drive, with an even more pronounced blind spot. Either way, as per Ashley, the cam car could have moved up to the Volvo to be out of the HGV's potential blind spot and once that was achieved, drop back a bit from the Volvo. Better to have followed the Volvo a bit close very briefly than risk being side swiped by an HGV. Alternatively, switch to Lane 2 on approach to a busy "on" slip road.
The white truck has a curb mirror above the right hand door, which means it is very highly likely to be left-hand drive. So spotting the car would’ve been now impossible, at the last moment, but a good awareness of surroundings as they came down the slip road would have helped a lot to avoid this.
8:43 the clip I suspect drunk or on the phone. The other week I was following a car that left the road fully then come back on. They had been weaving for the last 5 miles in thier lane. I decided as they had fully left the road I had seen enough. It was time to get them stopped so phoned the police to stop them . As I was following . I had no idea if drunk or on phone or if had fallen asleep. All I knew is they needed stopping
2:06 huh. thats interesting. here in australia im pretty sure the person going ahead has priority over the person turning, im surprised that wouldnt be a thing over there
Nice as it is of the Mercedes van driver at 2:35 to indicate to the cammer that they can proceed, can we please avoid implying to others that it's save for them to go - I was just (less than ½ an hour ago) almost hit as a pedestrian when a vehicle decided to flash his lights for another turning into the side road I was half way across.
Not sure about anyone else but with that 2nd one I was taught to give way to traffic from the opposite direction if you're turning right. Just goes to show, not all changes are better.
They still seem to be teaching that, eg "What is the main rule for right of way? In the UK, there are a couple of main principles for working out who has right of way: Drivers on a main road have priority over drivers on a minor road Vehicles travelling straight on or turning left have priority. That means that drivers turning right will have to wait for a gap in the traffic before making their turn"
One of the biggest problems is lack of spacial awareness. It's so common. I can sit in my bedroom window and watch nearly every car driving past position themselves in the centre of the road to overtake parked cars, but once they have passed the stationary vehicle, instead of moving back over,they stay exactly where they are - despite cars coming in the opposite direction , forcing cars in to the kerb. It's not even a certain demographic. It's everyone. Men, women, young and old.The best part is, my road is wide enough for people to pass each other despite parked cars. Another is when they pull around my parked car hesitantly knowing there's a car coming in the opposite direction, then promptly stop dead at the side of my car creating a hazard, instead of stopping behind it if they're unsure. Or else people just drive on the right because they can judge how close they are to cars parked on that side of the road better than they can to their left. The amount of stationary cars on this road getting hit is unbelievable , despite how damn wide it is ! And even when they do hit the parked cars, they NEVER stop and police just aren't interested.
One other point with the cross roads clip at around 2:18. For removing doubt and when no one is quite sure whether to go next, I find it useful to just do an initial very slow creep forward to show intent but also easy to abandon.
In the first clip at 1:32, the road markings are quite confusing, the left lane is not marked as a left turn only, there is a path to continue to the next junction. If the left lane doesn't continue, why is it there?
I had exactly the same as the last one but, fortunately without a collision, with a motorbike. This motorbike had been behind a while and I was approaching a junction to turn right, checked my mirrors and saw the motorbike was behind a nice distance away so I indicated, started to move across and, at that exact same second, the motorbike rider decided to go for an overtake. I braked and they had to brake firm. Not a clue why they would stay behind for ages then go for an overtake near a junction.
That last one. Had a close moment when I aborted a multi-car over-take on the bike and went to drop into a big gap. Driver in front possibly thought that braking might have helped me hop him too. Instead it made me test the brand new bike ABS at 60mph. Woke me up, but there was plenty of margin.
I'm curious about one of the points made here for the priority (see timestamp at around 1:53). As far as I was aware, at a crossroads, when emerging from sideroads you have priority if you're turning left or going straight over traffic emerging from the opposite lane is turning right; equal priority if both are turning right. However, Ashley says "at a crossroad like this" - is there something different here? What am I missing? Can anyone help with this point?
The first clip. Ash is right about the silver car, but the cammer, if taking the first exit should have been in the left lane. Would have made the bad positioning of the silver car a non event.
The first clip had already happened to me but I didn't crash, even with the other driver not using blinkers, I was able to observe through the wheels and notice that he didn't change direction, with that information I braked as much as I could and avoided an accident. In this clip I don't understand how the driver didn't react in time, because I only had 0.5s to react and he had more than 4s and still didn't do anything to avoid it.
With regards to the crossroads in clip two, i was always under the impression that order of priority was for vehicles turning left, then vehicles going straight on, and lastly vehicles turning right. Is this wrong?
If it keeps you safe then go with it, but that might hold flow up if you keep giving way to lots of vehicles going straight over when its busy. But there might come a point where you just need to communicate with a driver opposite that you are now going to be assertive and go when its safe to do so.
@nuntius1933 and I think that's where my understanding of that order of priority comes from; its only those turning right who cross the path of another vehicle. Maybe its one of those old rules like giving way to traffic coming uphill, which I'm not even sure was ever a rule at all.
That first clip, how are the rules about that in the UK? In Sweden it would be the fault of the cammer since he changed lanes when it wasn't clear (and basically makes a left turn from the right lane (in sweden it would be right from left lane). If there were arrows or signs it would be 50/50 since then both would be in the wrong. I'm surprised that in the UK its allowed to exit from right lane like that without looking.
If you’re going to stop and let someone overtake move over and open the road up for them more, that allows space for the person behind to overtake you and if they abort or do what that melt did in the last clip, they have a greater chance of missing you. A classic case of big car small brain moment 😂
If you're going to abort an overtake, leave more of a gap, instead of tailgating, that way you don't run the risk of hitting the back of the vehicle you tried to overtake 😅 To me that's just common sense.
@@FROOB202 just slow down more than you'd have to just get back behind them, plus finish the braking process before you get back in the first place, granted, for all this you need enough time to do all that in the first place, so it all comes down to leaving at least some room for error when just initiating the maneuver in the first place.
About that last one, I like to put on a left indicator if im giving way to an overtaking vehicle. Just to make it more obvious what im doing, doesnt work if theres a junction up ahead but on a plain stretch of road ive noticed its picked up by the following vehicle easily enough
I've done that if there was a reason I was going to be going below the normal pace of traffic. turn signal, crowd to the shoulder, and flash the brake lights..
6:26 is a double whammy HGVs have massive blind spots to make matters worse, take a look at the trucks' door - there's an Angles sticker there. most HGVs from, say the Netherlands will have this sticker or it'll be printed into the graphics on their trailer somewhere. You might ask - "Why's that important?" Well - A lot of the EU drive on the right. France, Benelux, Germany and Italy are examples of that. - This means that the HGV is left-hand drive. This would have worsened the HGV's problems merging as the opposite side to the driver has an even bigger blind spot below the door than the driver's side does... and where was the cammer? yep. Below the passenger side door of the HGV (would be drivers' if it was a RHD vehicle)... Right where there was next to no chance of being seen unless the HGV had full blind-spot coverage from cameras...
The bridge/ mirror clip incident at around 5:00. It might help if the authorities put a centre dotted "warning line" down the middle. I know that they often leave out centre markings if the road is particularly narrow but I feel it would help here in giving drivers a reference point to stay on their own side of the road.
The reason why there's no centre line is because the carriageway isn't wide enough to allow two vehicles of the maximum width permitted by the Construction and Use Regulations to pass each other. If centre line markings were applied to all carriageways, drivers would assume there's space to pass on coming vehicles - a centre line down the middle of a singletrack road? See also Traffic Signs Manual Chapter 5 2.2.6 "Drivers might also expect a road marked with a centre line to be wide enough for opposing lanes of traffic to pass. In these circumstances the centre line should be omitted, but it is recommended that edge of carriageway markings would be helpful."
had a fellow, a couple years ago, suffer a drop in blood sugar and take a corner too tight, clipping the mirror on my daily. after my initial irritation, I just paid the cost of a new mirror, fortunately, they aren't too expensive.
First thoughts on first viewing of the first clip (but not the first comment 😉) was A-pillar blind spot but then realised the angles weren’t right for that
In the first clip: If the insurance company see the shot at 1:32 then it will be your viewers insurance picking up the tab. The silver car is following the marked lane at that point, your viewer is crossing that lane.
Incorrect. The lane markings before the roundabout clearly show the right line is for going straight or right, whereas the left lane is for going straight only. And the roundabout sign at the very start of the clip shows the straight ahead road at 12 o'clock
The clip at around 3:15, good point that if you stop to let someone else out but subsequently change your mind, you have to be very careful. One technique with this would be to initially start moving again with a very slow creep after changing your mind. This shows intent as well as easy to stop again out of harms way in case the other road user decides to take up your offer after all.
where i work we have the same problem as with the silver car turning right in the inside lane even though the other lane says you can go straight on a accident waiting to happen especially when the near side lane driver thinks everyone should use esp and get out of his way anyway i have been doing as ash said two lanes merging into one there was a load of space so i took it up and ended in front of the other car the driver tooted his or here horn as though i shouldnt have done that i pulled away as my lane was clear they kept on hooting and making hand gestures so ash ash says make it a non event i didnt rise to the occassion and they eventually stopped thanks ash 😊
8:21 this roundabout is in great yarmouth and its very busy during the day with cars pulling out in front of each other all the time. But it shouldn't happen at night. At least the runner left his beanie hat as evidence.
Whenever someone runs away from a collision, they're either in a stolen car or on the run from the rozzers. Either that, or they're not insured and will later claim the car had been nicked and it wasn't them driving.
At 2:25 I think the cammer has seen the white van gesture and after this is solely looking left, waiting for a gap in the traffic. Yes, they should have looked back to the right, but it's easy to see how this happened.
6:23 First thing when you have to deal with a lorry is figure out which side the driver is sitting. If this was a right hand drive vehicle, the driver would probably have seen him out of the side window. I'd still have tucked up close to the black car for a few seconds, though.
On 1:32 I have to say the lines on the road suggest both lanes could carry on around the roundabout. This may not be allowed but I can see how the silver car could be confused. As a general rule, don't make assumptions and drive in staggered formation and give people the benefit of the doubt until they commit is my way.
That last clip. Must be infuriating to be crashed into by someone determined to make an overtake, abandon it and then crash into the back of you. In a similar vein, I've almost been crashed into the back of when I'm in Lane 1 of a motorway doing around 70 mph, approaching a slip road and someone coming up in Lane 2 does a swooping last moment exit behind me, almost crashing into the back of me at high speed. When I saw that happen, I floored the accelerator to get out of the way but in top gear, accelerating from 70 mph in a 1.6 litre petrol Ford Focus is never going to be rapid. Still, every little bit helps.
For many, the reflex reaction to a dangerous situation is to hit the brakes. You did well to do the opposite. Even in an auto, it would have taken time for kickdown to react.
The analysis is great. Almost akin to aviation incident investigation, something that also interests me greatly and the attitudes and mentality are the right way to go about prevention. You might find channels like Mentor Pilot quite interesting and potentially further develop how you look at these incidents, Ash. obviously the way you currently do it is great but you strike me as someone who is always seeking to achieve mastery in your field. I am definitely not as knowledgeable or experienced as you, just thought it may be of some interest
On the first clip, i think the road markings on roundabouts should be clearer to prevent confusion as to where or where not drivers think they can go. I would have continued to go round on the left lane with my right signal when the lane continues as it does , and not blocked off with the appropriate road markings .
The most be with the collision silver car and black fiesta, the oncoming silver car j believe has full beam on and dazzles the driver of the fiesta, and I think the fiesta drive probably just panics because he couldn’t see, so instead of slowing and pulling to the right the go straight forward.
0:48 look at the arrows. Right lane is for going right. Depending on where you are in the UK, roundabout markings can differ a bit. Almost all roundabouts in the midlands for example, have spiral markings which have much more obvious lane markings. If you go a bit further north, spiral roundabouts used to be less common, not sure if this is still the case.
The clip on the bridge @5.00 (Sprotbrough falls)... usually what happens, because of the road being so narrow the oncoming vehicles will wait where you see the blue car @5.04 or in the case of the cammers direction they will wait and the bend before going onto the bridge.. There is no right of way and it is very narrow - I ride a scooter and still give way to the oncoming traffic there. You say that the driver of the white car is doing the right thing, but that is not how it works there.. Everyone knows its too narrow and holds back until the bridge is clear (the bridge is nearly always clear).
I get frustrated when people drive massively under the limit, but i wait until its safe to overtake then just carry on, brake checking and slowing down on purpose to punish makes you no better than the person under the speed limit. Could be an older driver who feels unsafe, the last thing you want to do is panic them, might end up with a free back bumper remodel
In that clip, the lead car was only below 25 when it was negotiating parked cars. He could have been driving a bit more slowly because of the car tailgating. After the parked cars, the lead car was doing about 26-27, which was probably 30 on their speedometer. Anyone who finds it frustrating to follow a vehicle simply obeying the limit has a problem themself.
Interestingly I had a scenario very similar to the first clip a good number of years ago when I was much much younger, two-lane roundabout - I was in the right lane taking the second exit (to stay in the right lane) guy was in the left lane taking the third exit was side by side and bumped into the side of me. Insurance settled 50/50 because he was indicating and I should have let it happen.
In clip #1 the silver car had some justification because the cam car had to change lanes to make the collision happen. You must ensure a lane is clear before trying to occupy it.
@@zerocool278 No, I don’t think so. I think they should’ve entered the roundabout from the right lane. Besides, they take the exit from the right lane even though the markings indicate it is for continuing round the roundabout.
@@zerocool278 Nae, nae, nae! I would enter from the right lane. Notice then enter from the middle one. On watching the video again I realised the road markings seem incorrect.
in the first clip, the best thing you can do to prevent that is not go for the overtake in a roundabout. and my next question, had I been the uinsurer for the silver car would be, was the blue car showing an indicator. because it looked like the silver car did everything to inform people what they were doing, and got off the brake and proceeded when they thought it was safe.which means they either thought the blue car wasn't going to go for the overtake, or they thought the blue car was going to proceed instead of exiting.
Rather heartwarming to hear in the very first clip, Ashley saying one of his favourite expressions. Namely "There's no way in the world..." at around 1:07.
Might be useful to do a deep dive on roundabouts similar to the first one, looking at it from all perspectives, going ahead and turning. Looking at the comments there seems to be different interpretations on what the correct lane position should be for each car. The approach to the roundabout shows the left lane is for ahead only and the right lane is for going either straight ahead or turning right. From what I can see these are the only clear indications of what the correct lane positioning should be. But it looks like some commenting think that the way the lane markings are on the actual roundabout, this means the left lane can turn right. My understanding is unless there is a physical right turn arrow in the left lane, you can't turn right from a the left lane. In this case there isn't any right turn arrow in the left lane, so no one should be turning right from the left lane. If there was an exit on the left, then people entering from the roundabout going ahead could use the left lane to go what would be straight on for them, but people turning right from the direct of the cammer and silver car, would still need to be in the right lane, at least until they pass the exit for going ahead. As for the collision itself, if my understanding above is right, I think the crash is 50-50. The silver car is in the wrong lane, it is their responsibility to either find a safe gap, or accept their fate and go the wrong way, which might be the safest thing to do. The cammer, even if they weren't in the wrong lane, the risk was visible and they had enough time to react to the danger, but assumed priority, because they weren't the ones in the wrong lane, or just didn't react to the danger. There was a clip in another video on this channel, but where both parties averted an accident by either taking the wrong exit, or looping around the roundabout. Regardless of who is in the right or wrong and what the correct lanes should be, both drivers could have done the same.
I'm wondering if the scally who ran off thought that the car that hit him was an unmarked police vehicle. Either that or he already knew he was being followed.
Have to say I would've done exactly the same as the camera car in the last clip. If someone overtakes you, ease off and let them go, don't get caught up in their accident. Just a shame the overtaker panicked and swerved in, has to be 100% blame on them really. As usual, another pointless accident caused by the impatience of one person...
In the first clip I agree with all that is said, but there is a further way that the camcar driver could have potentially helped and that would have been to have indicated left to demonstrate his intention to exit at that point. I can't hear an indicator, but I am deaf! If the silver car driver (despite all his other faults) had looked at the camcar the lack of indication might suggest to the silver car that the camcar could going to circulate further round the roundabout.
In the first one I think there is a problem with the signals on the road as well. Getting into the roundabout, it's clear the right lane should be able to go straight, but the road markings should indicate the same, which they don't. The line that separate the lanes should continue ahead and not going in circles with the roundabout, as many others do. In this case, the line suggests that the outer lane can continue going in the roundabout, but it can't.
@@thomasdalton1508 What I mean is that if the left lane is only to get the exit (so you can't continue in the roundabout), the line that separates the lanes should continue towards the exit, not continuing the roundabout. In this example, even if the right lane should be good to continue straight, the car needs to "cross" the left lane in order to exit. I've seen other roundabout where that is much clearer, just looking at the lines, even if you missed the arrows before the roundabout (sometimes because the traffic is stopped, other times the arrows are faded, etc.). I think they should redesign the lanes in this case.
@@javiTests What you are describing is a spiral roundabout, isn't it? That's where the lane leaves the roundabout and you go with it rather than having to deliberately exit.
@@thomasdalton1508 Well, yes and no. Sometimes they are spiral roundabouts, like this case could be, but some others I've seen mixed lines on the ground for example if there was an entry/exit on the left, so at 9 o'clock. In that case, people getting into the roundabout could use outer lane to continue straight (so entering from 9 and exiting at 3), so it wouldn't be a proper spiral one. In any case, my point is that the arrows and lines in this specific case are confusing, so if someone doesn't pay attention, these crashes can occur.
I really want to send some clips in but I can't get my 500MB dashcam footage down to a size that I can actually submit to you. Any advice? I would once have used Windows Movie Maker but alas, it is gone.
03:10 Have had a car driver change his mind as I was pulling out. He stopped to let my bicycle out from a side road with traffic ahead of him stopped at lights, the van behind him honked his horn in anger. The driver immediataly moved off in response to the horn, nealry causing an accident thanks to the bully in the van.
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The only conclusion I can come with the incident @8:30 is the driver of the black Fiesta is actually the same person as the the man seen running away and had travelled back in time from the future to prevent himself being arrested. Happy Christmas Ash!
Thanks for including my clip - I was the driver of the black car who was hit by the HGV, as many of you have guessed, it was a left hand drive vehicle, I didn't pick up this until he got out, though. In hindsight I would have done many things different, as Ashley rightly pointed out in his analysis. At the time I saw that he was alongside me and I was about to slow and let him in, but he also slowed so I decided to carry on (which created the gap to the car in front), assuming he has seen me and was going to filter in behind me. But in the end it was all sorted out peacefully and we both carried on with our day.
Thanks for sending in!
Full respect for sending the clip in and for your comment.
I can't say I'm surprised it was a left hand drive lorry to be honest
Whenever I’m next to a lorry on a motorway, whether I’m overtaking it or sitting in traffic, I’ve always got one eye on its position and behaviour in its lane to check it’s not coming across.
Every vehicle I come across I will look at the numberplate when possible, as that’ll give me a clue of what hand drive it’ll be. If it has a EU plate I give it more leeway and room when doing their manoeuvres. Also in the situations similar to your clip I will always allow the HGV ahead, just for my own safety more than anything.
A thing I want to add to the incident at 6:14, I noticed the lorry had a sign "Angles Morts" on its door, which indicates to me that it came from the mainland. A quick google of the company confirms it's based in the Benelux. So the truck driver might have had an even more obstructed viewpoint for their merge.
Appropriate, since "angles morts" can be translated as "blind corners". French drivers put that on to alert others they have blind spots, especially on lorries.
The white truck also has a curb mirror above the right-hand door, indicating it is almost certainly left-hand drive.
@@edwardpurkis1084 Don't always take that as an almost certain. Many of our trucks at work have curbside mirrors on both sides (probably for more view in these situations, admittedly) so a mirror on the door looking down is less of a guarantee than most might think.
it was an european left hand drive, the clue was the downward mirror on top of the door. that is always opposite to the driver. still, lorry driver's fault on this, merging without making sure the lane was clear,but the car driver really did not help at all....
Yes. Google finds this "As of January 1, 2021, it is a legal requirement in France that all vehicles and trailers weighing at least 3.5 tons must have an "Angles Morts" sticker."
2:15 i recall reading, probably in the highway code way back, that if you're crossing straight then u have priority over the one opposite indicating right, irrespective of say who arrived at the give way lines first.
Nonetheless i would anticipate a noggin not adhering to that, and in fact I've never encountered it, somewhat backing up my recollection of the rules
Yes, the way I was taught in Luxembourg is that when the two cars get out of the same priority roads, it's the one sitting on the right (i.e. changing lanes) that needs to give way to the one heading straight.
In the Netherlands, that is one of the two basic rules in traffic.
Drivers coming from the right have priority, traffic that goes straight ahead has priority. Drivers is everyone excluding pedestrians (so including bicycles for example) and traffic means everyone (including pedestrians).
important to note that the truck at 6:20 is left hand drive. you can tell this by the curb mirror pointing down above the side window. this is always on the opposite side to the driver.
It was very clear for a very long time what was about to happen on that first one. The silver one was very poor but it should have been seen and sorted bt the camera car every day of the week
10:25 I probably wouldn't have thought of this if I were in that situation, but in hindsight, it would have been safer to maintain speed and drift left into that red area until I could see if the Range Rover was committed to overtaking or not
I have been surprised by your comment on the clip at 2:10 that there is no specific right or way in such a case.
I thought that if I turn right at such a crossing like the Toyota SUV, I would HAVE to give right of way to the on-coming car (which is filming) because by turning right I would cross his path and he has precedence.
Oddly, the Highway Code is silent on this scenario. It seems an obvious one to have a rule on...
Same here.
Regarding the second clip around @2:00 this surprises me. I'm pretty sure that when I passed my UK driving test back in 1992 the highway code said that the priority would have been giving to the car going straight ahead. You had to give way if you wished to cross somebody's path (eg the car turning right).
Has this rule changed now?
I was taught that the road user with the greater involvement with the main carriageway had priority. So a person joining has priority over some passing. Naturally a person in the main road has overall priority. The logic is sound and hasn't caught me out yet.
Not going to lie, i'm more annoyed with the silver car lane skipping, If he didnt cross the white lines, im wondering if the accident would of even happened, since they would of had to go straight more.
I saw a driving instruction video recently that said the saw thing. Priority to those going straight across.
8:44 is mighty suspicious, its like he called a friend to come do that so he could escape....
@1:54 i am a little baffled. when 2 vehicles with no right of way meet, the one going forward should take priority. or at least that;s how i was taught,not uk driving school tho. what rulles apply when you want to turn right? don;t you have to give way to oncoming traffic?
I have been driving 39 years and have always followed that rule.
At around 5:00 with the car getting its mirror clipped. This is exactly why on any narrow stretch of road, I generally fold in my driver's side door mirror. I've mentioned this before on Ashley's channel and received some criticism for it, re I then don't have a proper view behind me to my right. Given that it's a narrow road, this isn't too much of a temporary hardship versus losing the mirror altogether. As soon as I'm on a wider stretch of road, I unfold my mirror again.
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@@SpeccyMan You are absolutely correct and I have now gone back and edited it. Interestingly, my Mum who is a retired teacher is always on the lookout for that. She might have given me a gentle roasting over my error today!
8:45 is a different take on hit-and-run for once.
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I must admit, the first time I watched the clip with the collision at the roundabout (1:31), I was focussed on the black car aggressively tailgating and missed the signs that the silver car was going to do something silly.
really ? well I was also watching the cars right up front but the indicator blinking caught my eye straightaway :) guess it pays off for me to have eyes all over my head when driving :D especially in the UK
I am a little surprised at your admission but it does demonstrate how easy it is to focus our attention on one thing and fail to notice another right in front of us. I saw the silver car indicate early and couldn't understand why the cammer just seemed to plough on regardless, but yes it only takes a moment for your attention to be elsewhere for you to miss something crucial.
Regarding the second clip, at the intersection, I'm amazed that in the UK straight ahead vehicles are not given priority over right turning vehicles. That is certainly the case here in New Zealand.
It's a bit of an odd one - some people treat it as ahead has priority over right turners, but others treat is as first come, first served. From memory, the Highway Code doesn't really seem to say anything about the situation, so it's best to just assume no one has priority. Not the only situation on the roads where the UK is almost unique in having no formal rules about it!
This is specifically regarding situations where both vehicles are emerging from give way lines. Straight ahead traffic on a through road definitely has priority over right turners. Unsignalised crossroads are actually very uncommon on UK roads so the rules aren't 100% clear.
@@JayAmber I spent 20 plus years driving in the UK. I had picked up on the give way line, but after many years driving under a different set of road rules, it is still surprising when these decisions are not guided by the highway code.
Surprised me too! All other European countries that I have driven in always have traffic turning left (equal to right in UK) as the least prioritised, if on equally prioritised roads. Which is the scenario here.
Turning right means crossing the centre line of the road, meaning changing lanes, meaning give way. The vehicles going ahead stay on their lane, so they don't have to give way to vehicles turning right, unless the signs or traffic lights say otherwise.
The clip starting at 1:52: in the UK there's no rule that traffic going straight has priority in that situation? Here in the Netherlands, traffic going straight on always has priority over vehicles turning across their path from the same road. It also seems like the logical thing to do to me (as you said).
The final clip shows why I'm hesitant to change speed when somebody is overtaking, even if I think there's not enough room for them to complete the overtake.
I never brake when someone is overtaking me, but I always let off the accelerator or disable the Cruise Control, if I see the overtake is too close for comfort, may do an emergency bake if I thought it's going for a collision, but that's when the car overtaking is in front of me already, as in in my line of view, not just spotted in the mirror.
1:13.
100% agree with you, both drivers fault. Both.
Grey car, for being in the wrong lane for turning right. And the viewer, seen the indicator you slow down. And DON’T pass the car. Don’t. You slow down, you see the indicator. Learn from it, make you a better driver
Even if you don't see the indicator just slowing that little bit to give yourself a chance if they do something odd is good sense.
@2:40 Maybe the car held back to get a better view of traffic to the left. Van driver pulled forwards after giving way to gain a couple of car lengths? Junctions was still not clear.
My only guesses were that Black Ford driver was on the phone and the Golf was stolen. You're right Ash, that was a weird one lol.
Black Ford seems to measure their speed around the bend as if looking for someone, then line up and accelerate - I suspect more going on behind that one - I saw similar once and it was a dispute between some girl's ex and her boyfriend which ended up with them repeatedly ramming each others vehicles at low speed.
I've had a very similar situation to the last one, but thankfully no collision, just a very angry driver. There were differences though: we were moving faster, the 'overtaker' was already tailgating, and she was part-way alongside me when she panicked, coinciding with me braking to prevent the head-on with the car that had just come into view. Apparently, according to the lady in the Alpha, it was all my fault - at least that's what her violent gestures seemed to indicate.
yes, the driver who braked to speed the overtake cannot be accused of malice in that incident.
I also had the same situation with a much faster and dangerous driver. There was no collision because I didn't drastically misread the situation and slam on the brakes with the car right behind me.
Ashley would have far fewer clips to share if people stopped using roundabouts as an opportunity to overtake, and kept in a staggered formation.
Roundabouts - especially on fast, busy roads - have a big potential to lead to collisions, yet so many people fail to give them the wary respect they deserve.
There were several failures in the clip shown. The silver car had driven over three ahead only arrows for a start and its driver ought to have made proper observation instead of signalling and hoping for the best. It was obtuse of the cam car driver to drive into a vehicle that had been signalling so long. I don’t agree with making another rule for everything. I do agree with making space for others to make mistakes at all times, as they inevitably will but it took me 20 years using the same roundabout before I experienced a near miss like this. I see lack of respect for roundabout lane markings as a broader problem and because this incident may have involved blind spot issues, I suggest there is value to all of us in getting the best possible field from our door mirror at all times.
Roundabout lane discipline is dreadful and mirror checks on roundabouts is non existent for lots of car drivers.
One thing all sorts of drivers are guilty of is correct signalling on roundabouts. Proper signals help flow and reduce tailbacks but when most cannot be bothered to signal intent, tailbacks are the result.
clip at 6:14 - Make sure you can see the lorry driver in one or more of their mirrors. If you can't or the driver doesn't look at you make space. Realistically there wasn't the space to make sure that the Volvo didn't end up moving into the space that was needed by the viewer to get in front of the lorry.
That last clip is a collision scenario that I don't think I have seen before on a dashcam clip. That's another one to keep in the mental hazard perception catalogue.
That second clip at around 2:18. I've had to negotiate a similar cross roads but with a very blind view of the main road to my right...and I'm turning right. I've then had a car come along the main road from left to right and wanting to turn right into the side road that I'm waiting to turn right out of. The main road car then holds back to let me make my blind right turn turn onto the main road. They might even flash me. But either way, I've had to guard against feeling pressured to emerge quickly or to think that their flash was to give me the all clear to pull out. I still have to edge out very cautiously due to the blind view to my right. This is also where it helps to wind down your window and turn down your radio.
1:52 I keep finding statements similar to this if you Google cross road priority "In the United Kingdom, there are two primary principles for determining who has right of way: Drivers on major roads receive priority over those on minor roads. Priority is given to vehicles travelling straight ahead or turning left." But you said no one has priority at that type of cross road. The problem is I can find nothing in the highway code to support either view. Hypothetically, if that junction had traffic lights then the cammer would have priority, why would it not be the same without traffic lights? Without priority, the risk is neither makes a move and then both change their mind and go at the same time making is more dangerous than saying those turning left or going straight on have priority.
It's one of the places the Highway Code is silent on, yet getting that wrong crossing a fast main road can be catastrophic.
I love watching these videos, they confirm a lot of ways I drive is the correct way, the amount of times I have been tooted at for stopping or slowing right down on a narrow road is unreal, Harlech is notorious, I had a wing mirror clipped (luckily no damage) by a lorry who ploughed right through, I had come to an almost stop, car behind wasn't too happy though. I just wish we could teach stupid, Alas the people who watch these types of videos are the ones who want to improve, not the ones who need to!
Just wanna wish you a Merry Christmas Ashley and that I've just recently passed my driving test first time with two minors. I strongly believe that its a combination of a good instructor and your videos which have made me read the roads and the behaviour of other users.
I'd love to visit Liverpool and maybe see if I can do anything to continue improving and learning with you.
For the clip at 4:50 in regards to collision in narrow gaps or roads. I am going to contribute what was taught to me by my previous employer when I was been trained to be one of their Driver Trainers on vans... In this scenario we were always told to make sure we were driving slow enough to bring the van to a safe stop before the point of a collision... Because the way it was viewed by my previous employers insurance company is the party that stopped in time was the one driving at a safe enough speed to avoid a collision and they then can't be at fault for being a stationary vehicle... all emphasis of liability would be on the party who hit a stationary vehicle. If both were moving at point of collision, even if it was a slow speed scrape... Then it is seen as both were going to fast or been to impatient for the situation and liability is split 50/50....
I thought this over and theoretically applied it to other scenarios it does make a lot of sense over all.
In the first clip i was in a similar situation. I slowed down then applied the horn when the stupid driver had gone through
Lorry @6:13 is also left hand drive, s shown by the horizontal mirror, so extra caution should be given.
Crossroad priority when emerging…I have a simple rule which is the same as yours, don’t cross paths with anyone.
If you are both turning right then make eye contact with the driver opposite. Once that happens it becomes clear if one is happy for the other to go first and I try to make the eye contact long before a gap appears in the traffic. If you can’t make eye contact (the other driver doesn’t look at you for example) then take it as they haven’t seen you and are going to go regardless 👍
In the US, it's pretty simple. Those turning left give way to those going straight. In the second example (assuming we were in the US using STOP signs, the car turning across us would have his signal on, and would wait (if we had both arrived at the same time), otherwise, it's First There First Go.
I usually slow right down on approach, holding back from the give-way line, suggesting to the driver opposite that I'm in no hurry, implicitly inviting them to execute their turn before I get there.
@@jaycee330 and correspondingly, if it is a crossroads (which is the most common junction here) then two left turning cars will be expected to turn tighter to pass without crossing paths, rather than going around each other as if it was a mini roundabout.
@@jaycee330 - same here, if you swap right for left. All things being equal the vehicle proceeding straight ahead always has priority over a vehicle that is turning. It is as with navigation and aviation. If they are both turning right there is no conflict when passing left side to left side, as it should be. I've said it before, the junction priority laws and conventions in the UK are an utter mess.
@@nuntius1933 "the vehicle proceeding straight ahead always has priority over a vehicle that is turning." I have always thought this was correct but Ashley states " No vehicle has priority"
The mirror clip, looks linke that bridge might benefit from traffic lights or at least some priority signage with perhaps further road narrowing at each end.
if you are about to be overtaken but there is an oncoming vehicle then it is hard to know what to do. Do you brake to give them more time to get ahead? Or do you continue and hope that they abort their overtake? Either way it seems to be just a matter of luck whether or not you make the best decision.
Firstly you maintain your speed, the overtaking vehicle is making its judgment on how you have been driving beforehand. Then you keep an eye on the overtaking vehicle (to monitor its progress, keep looking ahead as well), if they get 50% passed you then start to think about slowing down as most likely they are committing to overtake, if they start to back out, possibly be ready to speed up to give them more space to brake.
The worst thing to do is brake suddenly as they have no braking zone as they are too close while on the wrong side of the road.
I drive a van and sometimes i ease off the throttle when a vehicle commits to overtake me even when its clear and safe for them to overtake, just to give them that space when they move back over in front as sometimes they cut back in which leaves me with small braking zone if they decide to emergency stop after the overtake. But it's important to be observant of the overtaker and what feels like doing the opposite of what they do, ease off if they commit to overtake, speed up if they abandon it until they have a braking zone then go back to the speed you want to be at.
It's probably best to meet the situation in the middle. Don't hit the brakes but do slow down and move left. That way if they abort, there is less of a chance of a rear end impact like in this clip. Or if they commit to the overtake, moving left will give them more room, especially if the oncoming car moves over too.
I think the mistake the cammer made was to brake when the overtaker hadn't even caught up with them yet.
At 6:15 I would have held back to allow the car and lorry to merge rather than bunch up for a one in one along merge. Easier for both parties to see each other then
That is me though and everyone is different and completely understand the move up and close the gap to the vehicle in front…just be careful of the lorry on the sliproad doing the same if they haven’t already seen you
Yes there were two options open, hold back for the lorry or accelerate in front of it, sticking by the side of a lorry for longer than absolutely necessary is never a good idea.
Id most likely do the same. Better be in the lorries mirrors where they can see you than in a blind spot + crash.
coming up a slip road, I try to drive as though everyone on the road is oblivious to me. on the road coming to a slip road, I try to drive as though the motorist coming up the slip road is incompetent at merging.
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Same to you!
7:28 if you want to overtake, then tailgating actually makes it far harder. lol
6:14 to say the cammer is in truckers blind spot it absolute rubbish. The position of the cammer at 6.14 is exactly what the side view convex mirror is there to see. Not forgetting the cam vehicle is much much longer than the camera lenz.
The clip with the merging lorry at around 6:36 I am also wondering if the cam car had the opportunity to see if the HGV was British registered or otherwise. This of course would have had a bearing as to the likelihood of it being left hand drive, with an even more pronounced blind spot. Either way, as per Ashley, the cam car could have moved up to the Volvo to be out of the HGV's potential blind spot and once that was achieved, drop back a bit from the Volvo. Better to have followed the Volvo a bit close very briefly than risk being side swiped by an HGV. Alternatively, switch to Lane 2 on approach to a busy "on" slip road.
The white truck has a curb mirror above the right hand door, which means it is very highly likely to be left-hand drive. So spotting the car would’ve been now impossible, at the last moment, but a good awareness of surroundings as they came down the slip road would have helped a lot to avoid this.
8:43 the clip I suspect drunk or on the phone. The other week I was following a car that left the road fully then come back on. They had been weaving for the last 5 miles in thier lane. I decided as they had fully left the road I had seen enough. It was time to get them stopped so phoned the police to stop them . As I was following . I had no idea if drunk or on phone or if had fallen asleep. All I knew is they needed stopping
As ever, great commentary Ashley, can't argue with any of it 👍
2:06 huh. thats interesting. here in australia im pretty sure the person going ahead has priority over the person turning, im surprised that wouldnt be a thing over there
Nice as it is of the Mercedes van driver at 2:35 to indicate to the cammer that they can proceed, can we please avoid implying to others that it's save for them to go - I was just (less than ½ an hour ago) almost hit as a pedestrian when a vehicle decided to flash his lights for another turning into the side road I was half way across.
Not sure about anyone else but with that 2nd one I was taught to give way to traffic from the opposite direction if you're turning right. Just goes to show, not all changes are better.
They still seem to be teaching that, eg
"What is the main rule for right of way?
In the UK, there are a couple of main principles for working out who has right of way:
Drivers on a main road have priority over drivers on a minor road
Vehicles travelling straight on or turning left have priority. That means that drivers turning right will have to wait for a gap in the traffic before making their turn"
One of the biggest problems is lack of spacial awareness. It's so common. I can sit in my bedroom window and watch nearly every car driving past position themselves in the centre of the road to overtake parked cars, but once they have passed the stationary vehicle, instead of moving back over,they stay exactly where they are - despite cars coming in the opposite direction , forcing cars in to the kerb. It's not even a certain demographic. It's everyone. Men, women, young and old.The best part is, my road is wide enough for people to pass each other despite parked cars. Another is when they pull around my parked car hesitantly knowing there's a car coming in the opposite direction, then promptly stop dead at the side of my car creating a hazard, instead of stopping behind it if they're unsure. Or else people just drive on the right because they can judge how close they are to cars parked on that side of the road better than they can to their left. The amount of stationary cars on this road getting hit is unbelievable , despite how damn wide it is ! And even when they do hit the parked cars, they NEVER stop and police just aren't interested.
One other point with the cross roads clip at around 2:18. For removing doubt and when no one is quite sure whether to go next, I find it useful to just do an initial very slow creep forward to show intent but also easy to abandon.
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In the first clip at 1:32, the road markings are quite confusing, the left lane is not marked as a left turn only, there is a path to continue to the next junction. If the left lane doesn't continue, why is it there?
I had exactly the same as the last one but, fortunately without a collision, with a motorbike. This motorbike had been behind a while and I was approaching a junction to turn right, checked my mirrors and saw the motorbike was behind a nice distance away so I indicated, started to move across and, at that exact same second, the motorbike rider decided to go for an overtake. I braked and they had to brake firm. Not a clue why they would stay behind for ages then go for an overtake near a junction.
That last one. Had a close moment when I aborted a multi-car over-take on the bike and went to drop into a big gap. Driver in front possibly thought that braking might have helped me hop him too. Instead it made me test the brand new bike ABS at 60mph. Woke me up, but there was plenty of margin.
2:06 Is that an SLS??? 🥺
A roadster as well! I just came down to the comments to see if anyone else had spotted it yet
I'm curious about one of the points made here for the priority (see timestamp at around 1:53).
As far as I was aware, at a crossroads, when emerging from sideroads you have priority if you're turning left or going straight over traffic emerging from the opposite lane is turning right; equal priority if both are turning right. However, Ashley says "at a crossroad like this" - is there something different here? What am I missing? Can anyone help with this point?
The first clip. Ash is right about the silver car, but the cammer, if taking the first exit should have been in the left lane. Would have made the bad positioning of the silver car a non event.
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The first clip had already happened to me but I didn't crash, even with the other driver not using blinkers, I was able to observe through the wheels and notice that he didn't change direction, with that information I braked as much as I could and avoided an accident. In this clip I don't understand how the driver didn't react in time, because I only had 0.5s to react and he had more than 4s and still didn't do anything to avoid it.
I can't be the only one thinking that if HGVs have such huge blind spots that everyone else needs to drive accommodating them, they're badly designed?
With regards to the crossroads in clip two, i was always under the impression that order of priority was for vehicles turning left, then vehicles going straight on, and lastly vehicles turning right. Is this wrong?
If it keeps you safe then go with it, but that might hold flow up if you keep giving way to lots of vehicles going straight over when its busy.
But there might come a point where you just need to communicate with a driver opposite that you are now going to be assertive and go when its safe to do so.
If you are proceeding straight ahead, there is never likely to be conflict with oncoming vehicles turning left. Can generally be done simultaneously.
@nuntius1933 and I think that's where my understanding of that order of priority comes from; its only those turning right who cross the path of another vehicle. Maybe its one of those old rules like giving way to traffic coming uphill, which I'm not even sure was ever a rule at all.
That first clip, how are the rules about that in the UK? In Sweden it would be the fault of the cammer since he changed lanes when it wasn't clear (and basically makes a left turn from the right lane (in sweden it would be right from left lane). If there were arrows or signs it would be 50/50 since then both would be in the wrong. I'm surprised that in the UK its allowed to exit from right lane like that without looking.
The arrows and lane markings at 0:06 say it is fine to use lane 2 for the exit
Gr8 vid. I missed the low sun with the mirror clip on the bridge. Merry Christmas
Have a wonderful Christmas Ashley and all the best for the New Year 🎉
Thank you so much. Best wishes to you also!
3:25 sometimes it's a case of do or do not, not perhaps. this was one of them.
If you’re going to stop and let someone overtake move over and open the road up for them more, that allows space for the person behind to overtake you and if they abort or do what that melt did in the last clip, they have a greater chance of missing you. A classic case of big car small brain moment 😂
If you're going to abort an overtake, leave more of a gap, instead of tailgating, that way you don't run the risk of hitting the back of the vehicle you tried to overtake 😅
To me that's just common sense.
@@piciu256 What do you mean leave more of a gap? At some point you have to be alongside the car you are overtaking!! To me that is common sense.
@@FROOB202 just slow down more than you'd have to just get back behind them, plus finish the braking process before you get back in the first place, granted, for all this you need enough time to do all that in the first place, so it all comes down to leaving at least some room for error when just initiating the maneuver in the first place.
About that last one, I like to put on a left indicator if im giving way to an overtaking vehicle. Just to make it more obvious what im doing, doesnt work if theres a junction up ahead but on a plain stretch of road ive noticed its picked up by the following vehicle easily enough
I've done that if there was a reason I was going to be going below the normal pace of traffic. turn signal, crowd to the shoulder, and flash the brake lights..
6:26 is a double whammy
HGVs have massive blind spots
to make matters worse, take a look at the trucks' door - there's an Angles sticker there.
most HGVs from, say the Netherlands will have this sticker or it'll be printed into the graphics on their trailer somewhere.
You might ask - "Why's that important?"
Well - A lot of the EU drive on the right. France, Benelux, Germany and Italy are examples of that. - This means that the HGV is left-hand drive. This would have worsened the HGV's problems merging as the opposite side to the driver has an even bigger blind spot below the door than the driver's side does... and where was the cammer? yep. Below the passenger side door of the HGV (would be drivers' if it was a RHD vehicle)... Right where there was next to no chance of being seen unless the HGV had full blind-spot coverage from cameras...
Have a great Christmas, Ashley.
You too Jon. Hope you are well 👍🎄
I am just chilling, like i always do this time of year with a month off from the nonsense that is driving.😂
Enjoy.
Good video. Merry Christmas, Ashley. 🎅🎅🎅🎅
Thank you! You too!
The bridge/ mirror clip incident at around 5:00. It might help if the authorities put a centre dotted "warning line" down the middle. I know that they often leave out centre markings if the road is particularly narrow but I feel it would help here in giving drivers a reference point to stay on their own side of the road.
The reason why there's no centre line is because the carriageway isn't wide enough to allow two vehicles of the maximum width permitted by the Construction and Use Regulations to pass each other. If centre line markings were applied to all carriageways, drivers would assume there's space to pass on coming vehicles - a centre line down the middle of a singletrack road?
See also Traffic Signs Manual Chapter 5 2.2.6 "Drivers might also expect a road marked with a centre line to be wide enough for opposing lanes of traffic to pass. In these circumstances the centre line should be omitted, but it is recommended that edge of
carriageway markings would be helpful."
had a fellow, a couple years ago, suffer a drop in blood sugar and take a corner too tight, clipping the mirror on my daily. after my initial irritation, I just paid the cost of a new mirror, fortunately, they aren't too expensive.
First thoughts on first viewing of the first clip (but not the first comment 😉) was A-pillar blind spot but then realised the angles weren’t right for that
In the first clip: If the insurance company see the shot at 1:32 then it will be your viewers insurance picking up the tab.
The silver car is following the marked lane at that point, your viewer is crossing that lane.
Incorrect. The lane markings before the roundabout clearly show the right line is for going straight or right, whereas the left lane is for going straight only. And the roundabout sign at the very start of the clip shows the straight ahead road at 12 o'clock
The clip at around 3:15, good point that if you stop to let someone else out but subsequently change your mind, you have to be very careful. One technique with this would be to initially start moving again with a very slow creep after changing your mind. This shows intent as well as easy to stop again out of harms way in case the other road user decides to take up your offer after all.
where i work we have the same problem as with the silver car turning right in the inside lane even though the other lane says you can go straight on a accident waiting to happen especially when the near side lane driver thinks everyone should use esp and get out of his way
anyway i have been doing as ash said two lanes merging into one there was a load of space so i took it up and ended in front of the other car
the driver tooted his or here horn as though i shouldnt have done that i pulled away as my lane was clear they kept on hooting and making hand gestures so ash ash says make it a non event i didnt rise to the occassion and they eventually stopped thanks ash 😊
8:21 this roundabout is in great yarmouth and its very busy during the day with cars pulling out in front of each other all the time. But it shouldn't happen at night. At least the runner left his beanie hat as evidence.
Whenever someone runs away from a collision, they're either in a stolen car or on the run from the rozzers. Either that, or they're not insured and will later claim the car had been nicked and it wasn't them driving.
If anybody finds out whatever happened in that second to last clip, please, fill me in, because that was bizarre! 🧐
At 2:25 I think the cammer has seen the white van gesture and after this is solely looking left, waiting for a gap in the traffic. Yes, they should have looked back to the right, but it's easy to see how this happened.
6:23 First thing when you have to deal with a lorry is figure out which side the driver is sitting. If this was a right hand drive vehicle, the driver would probably have seen him out of the side window. I'd still have tucked up close to the black car for a few seconds, though.
On 1:32 I have to say the lines on the road suggest both lanes could carry on around the roundabout. This may not be allowed but I can see how the silver car could be confused. As a general rule, don't make assumptions and drive in staggered formation and give people the benefit of the doubt until they commit is my way.
That last clip. Must be infuriating to be crashed into by someone determined to make an overtake, abandon it and then crash into the back of you. In a similar vein, I've almost been crashed into the back of when I'm in Lane 1 of a motorway doing around 70 mph, approaching a slip road and someone coming up in Lane 2 does a swooping last moment exit behind me, almost crashing into the back of me at high speed. When I saw that happen, I floored the accelerator to get out of the way but in top gear, accelerating from 70 mph in a 1.6 litre petrol Ford Focus is never going to be rapid. Still, every little bit helps.
For many, the reflex reaction to a dangerous situation is to hit the brakes. You did well to do the opposite. Even in an auto, it would have taken time for kickdown to react.
The analysis is great. Almost akin to aviation incident investigation, something that also interests me greatly and the attitudes and mentality are the right way to go about prevention. You might find channels like Mentor Pilot quite interesting and potentially further develop how you look at these incidents, Ash. obviously the way you currently do it is great but you strike me as someone who is always seeking to achieve mastery in your field. I am definitely not as knowledgeable or experienced as you, just thought it may be of some interest
I think the range rover in the final clip thought they were on a dual carriageway
On the first clip, i think the road markings on roundabouts should be clearer to prevent confusion as to where or where not drivers think they can go. I would have continued to go round on the left lane with my right signal when the lane continues as it does , and not blocked off with the appropriate road markings .
my interpretation of the markings seems to agree with yours. it looked like the silver car was not required to exit.
@@kenbrown2808 I agree, lane markings suggest that !
What was ambiguous about the straight ahead arrow vs the ahead and right arrow in the right lane?
@@Monkeh616 what about a left arrow instead of a straight ahead arrow ?
@@thomaselliot2257 It's not a left turn...
The most be with the collision silver car and black fiesta, the oncoming silver car j believe has full beam on and dazzles the driver of the fiesta, and I think the fiesta drive probably just panics because he couldn’t see, so instead of slowing and pulling to the right the go straight forward.
1:30: isn’t the silver car legally in the right? they were following the lines and the dashcam driver went over the lines (same with the polo)
0:48 look at the arrows. Right lane is for going right. Depending on where you are in the UK, roundabout markings can differ a bit. Almost all roundabouts in the midlands for example, have spiral markings which have much more obvious lane markings. If you go a bit further north, spiral roundabouts used to be less common, not sure if this is still the case.
The clip on the bridge @5.00 (Sprotbrough falls)... usually what happens, because of the road being so narrow the oncoming vehicles will wait where you see the blue car @5.04 or in the case of the cammers direction they will wait and the bend before going onto the bridge.. There is no right of way and it is very narrow - I ride a scooter and still give way to the oncoming traffic there.
You say that the driver of the white car is doing the right thing, but that is not how it works there.. Everyone knows its too narrow and holds back until the bridge is clear (the bridge is nearly always clear).
I get frustrated when people drive massively under the limit, but i wait until its safe to overtake then just carry on, brake checking and slowing down on purpose to punish makes you no better than the person under the speed limit. Could be an older driver who feels unsafe, the last thing you want to do is panic them, might end up with a free back bumper remodel
In that clip, the lead car was only below 25 when it was negotiating parked cars. He could have been driving a bit more slowly because of the car tailgating. After the parked cars, the lead car was doing about 26-27, which was probably 30 on their speedometer. Anyone who finds it frustrating to follow a vehicle simply obeying the limit has a problem themself.
@@TheRip72 its ok to find it frustrating, as long as it doesnt affect your driving.
Interestingly I had a scenario very similar to the first clip a good number of years ago when I was much much younger, two-lane roundabout - I was in the right lane taking the second exit (to stay in the right lane) guy was in the left lane taking the third exit was side by side and bumped into the side of me. Insurance settled 50/50 because he was indicating and I should have let it happen.
In clip #1 the silver car had some justification because the cam car had to change lanes to make the collision happen. You must ensure a lane is clear before trying to occupy it.
8:22 your viewer also seems to exit from the wrong lane. Such an interesting clip!
Cammer was in the right lane look at the markings at the start
@@zerocool278 No, I don’t think so. I think they should’ve entered the roundabout from the right lane. Besides, they take the exit from the right lane even though the markings indicate it is for continuing round the roundabout.
So you would enter from the left and cut across traffic then?
@@zerocool278 Nae, nae, nae! I would enter from the right lane. Notice then enter from the middle one.
On watching the video again I realised the road markings seem incorrect.
in the first clip, the best thing you can do to prevent that is not go for the overtake in a roundabout. and my next question, had I been the uinsurer for the silver car would be, was the blue car showing an indicator. because it looked like the silver car did everything to inform people what they were doing, and got off the brake and proceeded when they thought it was safe.which means they either thought the blue car wasn't going to go for the overtake, or they thought the blue car was going to proceed instead of exiting.
To me the silver car stayed in his/her lane, whereas the cammer didn't !
The cammer wasn't going for the overtake. The silver car slowed down. But the cammer didn't react to what was happening in front of them
Rather heartwarming to hear in the very first clip, Ashley saying one of his favourite expressions. Namely "There's no way in the world..." at around 1:07.
Interesting that 2:10 is equal priority. In Finland the vehicle going straight would have priority.
Might be useful to do a deep dive on roundabouts similar to the first one, looking at it from all perspectives, going ahead and turning. Looking at the comments there seems to be different interpretations on what the correct lane position should be for each car.
The approach to the roundabout shows the left lane is for ahead only and the right lane is for going either straight ahead or turning right. From what I can see these are the only clear indications of what the correct lane positioning should be. But it looks like some commenting think that the way the lane markings are on the actual roundabout, this means the left lane can turn right. My understanding is unless there is a physical right turn arrow in the left lane, you can't turn right from a the left lane. In this case there isn't any right turn arrow in the left lane, so no one should be turning right from the left lane. If there was an exit on the left, then people entering from the roundabout going ahead could use the left lane to go what would be straight on for them, but people turning right from the direct of the cammer and silver car, would still need to be in the right lane, at least until they pass the exit for going ahead.
As for the collision itself, if my understanding above is right, I think the crash is 50-50. The silver car is in the wrong lane, it is their responsibility to either find a safe gap, or accept their fate and go the wrong way, which might be the safest thing to do. The cammer, even if they weren't in the wrong lane, the risk was visible and they had enough time to react to the danger, but assumed priority, because they weren't the ones in the wrong lane, or just didn't react to the danger. There was a clip in another video on this channel, but where both parties averted an accident by either taking the wrong exit, or looping around the roundabout. Regardless of who is in the right or wrong and what the correct lanes should be, both drivers could have done the same.
I prefer the phrase "less space, less pace" 😛
I'm wondering if the scally who ran off thought that the car that hit him was an unmarked police vehicle. Either that or he already knew he was being followed.
Have to say I would've done exactly the same as the camera car in the last clip. If someone overtakes you, ease off and let them go, don't get caught up in their accident. Just a shame the overtaker panicked and swerved in, has to be 100% blame on them really.
As usual, another pointless accident caused by the impatience of one person...
In the first clip I agree with all that is said, but there is a further way that the camcar driver could have potentially helped and that would have been to have indicated left to demonstrate his intention to exit at that point. I can't hear an indicator, but I am deaf! If the silver car driver (despite all his other faults) had looked at the camcar the lack of indication might suggest to the silver car that the camcar could going to circulate further round the roundabout.
Sounds like there isn't an indicator, though to be fair the audio comes on pretty late and could have been masked by other sounds
The truck front corner blind spot clip is a valuable reminder of this under appreciated hazard.
8:10 I'm confused!
In the first one I think there is a problem with the signals on the road as well. Getting into the roundabout, it's clear the right lane should be able to go straight, but the road markings should indicate the same, which they don't. The line that separate the lanes should continue ahead and not going in circles with the roundabout, as many others do. In this case, the line suggests that the outer lane can continue going in the roundabout, but it can't.
You mean it should be a spiral roundabout? Perhaps. Non-spiral roundabouts are the norm, though.
@@thomasdalton1508 What I mean is that if the left lane is only to get the exit (so you can't continue in the roundabout), the line that separates the lanes should continue towards the exit, not continuing the roundabout. In this example, even if the right lane should be good to continue straight, the car needs to "cross" the left lane in order to exit. I've seen other roundabout where that is much clearer, just looking at the lines, even if you missed the arrows before the roundabout (sometimes because the traffic is stopped, other times the arrows are faded, etc.). I think they should redesign the lanes in this case.
@@javiTests What you are describing is a spiral roundabout, isn't it? That's where the lane leaves the roundabout and you go with it rather than having to deliberately exit.
@@thomasdalton1508 Well, yes and no. Sometimes they are spiral roundabouts, like this case could be, but some others I've seen mixed lines on the ground for example if there was an entry/exit on the left, so at 9 o'clock. In that case, people getting into the roundabout could use outer lane to continue straight (so entering from 9 and exiting at 3), so it wouldn't be a proper spiral one. In any case, my point is that the arrows and lines in this specific case are confusing, so if someone doesn't pay attention, these crashes can occur.
I really want to send some clips in but I can't get my 500MB dashcam footage down to a size that I can actually submit to you. Any advice? I would once have used Windows Movie Maker but alas, it is gone.
Upload the footage to Google Drive or similar and then send me a sharing link. This retains the highest resolution also.
@@ashley_neal ah, brilliant. Thanks!
03:10 Have had a car driver change his mind as I was pulling out. He stopped to let my bicycle out from a side road with traffic ahead of him stopped at lights, the van behind him honked his horn in anger. The driver immediataly moved off in response to the horn, nealry causing an accident thanks to the bully in the van.