The actors playing mr bronson and danny kendall were good friends in real life apparently, you wouldnt think so looking at these scenes lol. Some top class acting on display from them both.
Russell Thompson It's because it was so realistic. It's something everybody does in their life - go to school. So everybody can relate to it. That's the appeal.
Grange hill challenged some real disturbing issues in society no other programme dared to talk about, least of all for a childrens show, thats why it was so groundbreaking in its day. Sadly this was the last great era for me before it went downhill and became too safe and PC.
My years at Langtree high school from 1985-1990 GH had some similarities to life at a comprehensive school during the 80s! How times have now since changed! 35 years ago only feels like it was a few days ago n I'm 50 years old now!
Bronson was such a great part of GH. He was so at odds with the liberal approach of the school system, so you always got a bit of tension when he was involved in a scene, whether with other teachers or pupils. It was also good how they redeemed over time him somewhat, after the death of Danny Kendall.
Bronson was never as strict as he was with Kendall, going to extremes to hound the poor boy for his impertinence. And when Kendall died, Bronson felt such remorse... :(
The late great Michael Sheard. Played Himmler in at least 2 films about Hitler’s last days in the Bunker, played Hitler himself in Indiana Jones: The Last Crusade and of course Admiral Ozzel in Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back.
There was a lad at our school who thought his family name would strike terror into anyone's heart. One day he got into a slanging match with Mr. Kibblewhite, who stood at a strapping 6'6". The lad - whose name I totally forget now - threatened to get his dad and brothers in to the school... Kibblewhite stood up from his desk, looked the boy straight in the eye, and said, "Bring it on!" True story, that... You'd never see something like that these days, where teachers are all afraid of their charges... Thank you, Mr. Kibblewhite. Blessèd be /|\
@@craigmullen9046 Only that's not what happened. First off, there have been problems for centuries - look up the Scuttlers for example, and the Mods and Rockers. Second, there is discipline available - it's just that people from a background of using violence (or it being used against them), such as spanking / smacking, often don't understand how to discipline without it. And finally, whilst there is need for discipline at times, most kids are inherently good - the important thing is to get them to understand why something is wrong. Two examples: I volunteered in a primary school When the kids misbehaved, I asked them how they would feel if I did that to them. They answered "sad". I asked them so how do they think I feel? And they stopped. I saw kids smashing bottles on the floor. I get it, it's fun, the feel and the sound. But I warned them that what they were doing could hurt cats who might walk on the glass. The one who heard me shouted to his friend about it and they both stopped. It's obviously illegal to hit them but in none of those cases did I feel the need to or think it would be good if I could use violence. Are there extreme cases where it might be necessary, such as to save someone? Sure. Should it be used routinely? No.
Michael Sheard: Mr Bronson, Adolf Hitler and Admiral Ozzel. Michael Sheard was a great guy and fascinating to talk to. He was from quite near to me and met him many times at conventions and local events. I once spoke to him for over two hours at a small role-playing event. He told me he would happily speak to me all day, provided I bought his book, so I pretty much held him to it. 😁I still have the signed copy of the book that I bought. He even, very generously, gave me the opportunity to take the role of Darth Vader while he re-created the death of Admiral Ozzel on stage at a convention. He used to carry his Star Wars Admiral Ozzel collectible card with a message from George Lucas written on it. The message was something like "to the worst Admiral in the imperial fleet", a message that he was clearly very proud of. Mr Sheard told me a great story: he was attending a screening (premiere?) of The Empire Strikes back in the UK, and when Admiral Ozzel first appeared on screen, someone in the audience yelled "f*ck me, it's Mr Bronson", such was the power of the character. A great guy and sadly missed.
Bronson's problem was he was too old fashioned and didn't realise kids in the late eighties were rather different to ones from 20 or 30 years earlier. I think he did hound Danny too much and had a vendetta against Ant Jones and was lucky not to lose his job.
In my experience art teachers were always the best looking. Probably because of their open-minded creative philosophy. One of my art teachers had that whole late New Romantic look and very nicely resembled Kim Wilde :)
Sheard actually played Hitler five times: Rogue Male (1976), The Tomorrow People (1978), The Dirty Dozen: Next Mission (1985), Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade (1989) and Secret History: Hitler of the Andes (2003). He also portrayed Heinrich Himmler three times: The Death of Adolf Hitler (1973), The Bunker (1981) and Space (1985).
A major problem with Danny Kendall was quite simply that he didn't always do what was expected of him. So he just disappeared from class, wandered around the school building, didn't take the teachers' orders seriously, even disobeyed the teachers' orders, such as when Mrs. Reagan ordered him to go to Mr. Baxter and proved in Mr. Bronson's eyes to be unreliable and like someone who only did what pleased him in this situation. Such students are considered difficult cases and this has not changed compared to the past. With such difficult students, the teacher or school administration quickly seeks a one-on-one conversation and/or a conversation with the parents to make it clear what is expected of the pupil in question.
@Glenn1967ful I remember reading about Micheal Sheard saying that when he took the part it would be under the premise that he would never strike a child (I could stand corrected but am pretty sure that was the gist of it)....however, I remember one scene when N1 were 4th yrs, and the merger with RB and Brookdale just occurred, where Mr Bronson threatened Annette Firman with the cane, to which she replied along the lines that she would get her Dad down here quick smart!!!
i would agree kendall was a pain in the arse. but there are ways of dealing with difficult kids like that. i do love the realism though of this storyline
Bronson used to play a good nazi in war films ,he also played a nazi officer in the hiding place ,also he played a german site manager in Auf Weidersehen pet too.
Reminds me of our head of year 4 (what would now be year 10) who only had to shout 'you in the green' and you'd all freeze. She was a 'proper miss' who seemed to hate boys especially and would go up to them and grab them by by the shoulders and shake them 😄
The paradox of teachers like Mr Bronson, they hate kids but work with them. Discipline is one thing but being a bully is another. I crossed paths teachers similar to Bronson 35 years ago whilst at school. One of them loved to humiliate kids.
The paradox of Mr Bronson specifically is easy to understand. He's only working at Grange Hill because of wider changes to school structures in the area rather than setting out to teach there. He arrived when Grange Hill merged with Rodney Bennett and Brookdale. From the little we saw of Rodney Bennett in the early years it seemed to be a once grammar school that still maintained the ethos after the 11 plus was abolished whilst Grange Hill would presumably have been a secondary modern before comprehensivisation. Bronson had been a Latin master at RB and doubtless a staunch supporter of continuing the traditions. Then the two schools merge (along with another) and his subject was abolished. He was of an age where teachers (a term he probably hated; traditionally in grammar schools it was "masters") are generally looking towards their last internal promotions rather than changing schools so there would have been little prospect of finding another school to be a senior Latin master at. He may also have been tied to the Northam area living with his sister and mother. So in his later years he found himself teaching a subject he doesn't have much time for in a type of school he hates (he would no doubt vigorously agree with the Peter Hitchens view that a comprehensive school is a secondary modern by another name) and deeply frustrated with the difficulties of getting the pupils to take it on board. "Old school" in a literal sense.
in my opinion ok bronson was one of these very stricked old school teachers and danny kendall was a difficult boy to handle. but in my opinion bronson behaved totally unprofessionally and in my opinion hounded him into an early grave what do others think? but hey all in all great acting from michael sheared and everyone involved
Bronson himself most likely had a very regimented, very strict and very orderly upbringing and his own parents most likely always reminded him of the "rebellious delinquents" that were popular at his school, while he was most likely a loner. So then as an adult headteacher he sees somebody like Danny and it reminds him of the very same rebels he knew at his own school.
Richard Pearson & sharkie12354 (I know that I'm commenting on an old thread but Maurice will always be one of my fave characters so am always keen to join a discussion about him) anyway, (lol), you're right Richard, as to Maurice, Danny was insolent and troublesome who did had to be brought into line....but see how he was with kids like Janet St Claire and Roland Browning, as well with Matthew Pearson in the later years as he would engage in conversation with them and want to see them do well...
@selfselfself I agree...and whilst we're on the subject of fit teachers at GH, I always thought Miss Partridge was okay, and Miss Lexington was as well....and there was an extra that played a science teacher that was probably the most attractive teacher ever at GH (around the time when Zammo and N1 were 2nd years...not Miss Mooney, but another one)
Jones and Danny Kendal should have collected evidence and names of witnesses. But these days he could have recorded it covertly, never mind trhe details, it was the evidence he needed.
W Leon I agree, how can you learn properly if you can't speak up and ask questions now and then? Shut up and read the book in front of you doesn't help anyone.
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Kendall was a horrible kid. Mr Bronson was correct on all counts. "We had a contract" - whiny little gimp. If he was around today he'd defo be a member of insulate Britain
I felt soz for DK wen Bronson relentlessly bullied him! Bronson was like Hitler imo! Danny K seemed like a nice lad v.intelligent and beyond his years it was a shame they killed his charecter off it wuddof Been intresting to see how his charecter wuddof developed years after leavn GH in a spin off tv series like they did with Peter 'tucker" Jenkins!
Had a teacher like Bronson when I was a kid... turned out to be one of the best teachers I ever had!!
Can well believe that!
Totally agree. Never did me any harm.
Let’s get it right…the greatest character the show ever had.
And followed by a close second, Baxter 😊
The actors playing mr bronson and danny kendall were good friends in real life apparently, you wouldnt think so looking at these scenes lol. Some top class acting on display from them both.
I wonder if the actor playing Kendall is a 'Star Wars' fan and might've been enthusiastic about acting with Admiral Ozzel.
It's called acting
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Didn’t the actor who played played Kendal end up working in public relations?
bronson was admiral ozzel in empire strikes back got force choked
70s, 80s, best time to be in school, and best school dramas. Really well written and funny.
Their is something incredibly appealing about Grange Hill.
Russell Thompson It's because it was so realistic. It's something everybody does in their life - go to school. So everybody can relate to it. That's the appeal.
Grange hill challenged some real disturbing issues in society no other programme dared to talk about, least of all for a childrens show, thats why it was so groundbreaking in its day. Sadly this was the last great era for me before it went downhill and became too safe and PC.
My years at Langtree high school from 1985-1990 GH had some similarities to life at a comprehensive school during the 80s! How times have now since changed! 35 years ago only feels like it was a few days ago n I'm 50 years old now!
Watched this growing up in Donegal as a kid.Loved the show.
Great memories from the late 80s ans early 90s near you in the North
Was Bronson the best character on Grange Hill ever?
Undoubtedly.
Bronson was such a great part of GH. He was so at odds with the liberal approach of the school system, so you always got a bit of tension when he was involved in a scene, whether with other teachers or pupils. It was also good how they redeemed over time him somewhat, after the death of Danny Kendall.
Sheard was a great actor but the character made little sense to me
Bronson was never as strict as he was with Kendall, going to extremes to hound the poor boy for his impertinence. And when Kendall died, Bronson felt such remorse... :(
The guy who play Bronson was such a good actor.
The late great Michael Sheard. Played Himmler in at least 2 films about Hitler’s last days in the Bunker, played Hitler himself in Indiana Jones: The Last Crusade and of course Admiral Ozzel in Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back.
He was an amazing man.
Danny's speech starting at 2:35; the "I ain't gonna do it" line made me laugh out loud.
thanks for all these uploads, very much enjoyed by me and family....again thanks
You boy! Come here!
You boy's got a name and why should YOU BOY respect you if you talk to YOU BOY that way? Respect has to be earned or works both ways.
My mum and dad loves it
There was a lad at our school who thought his family name would strike terror into anyone's heart. One day he got into a slanging match with Mr. Kibblewhite, who stood at a strapping 6'6". The lad - whose name I totally forget now - threatened to get his dad and brothers in to the school...
Kibblewhite stood up from his desk, looked the boy straight in the eye, and said, "Bring it on!"
True story, that...
You'd never see something like that these days, where teachers are all afraid of their charges...
Thank you, Mr. Kibblewhite.
Blessèd be /|\
Teachers today are too scared to discipline pupils unlike my day when a clip round the ear off a teacher for mucking around was the norm
@@edwardowen9559 Assault is not discipline
@@kpopfan674 well look what's happened now they have took all forms of discipline away. Unruly pupils and anarchy!!!
@@craigmullen9046 Only that's not what happened. First off, there have been problems for centuries - look up the Scuttlers for example, and the Mods and Rockers. Second, there is discipline available - it's just that people from a background of using violence (or it being used against them), such as spanking / smacking, often don't understand how to discipline without it. And finally, whilst there is need for discipline at times, most kids are inherently good - the important thing is to get them to understand why something is wrong.
Two examples: I volunteered in a primary school When the kids misbehaved, I asked them how they would feel if I did that to them. They answered "sad". I asked them so how do they think I feel? And they stopped.
I saw kids smashing bottles on the floor. I get it, it's fun, the feel and the sound. But I warned them that what they were doing could hurt cats who might walk on the glass. The one who heard me shouted to his friend about it and they both stopped.
It's obviously illegal to hit them but in none of those cases did I feel the need to or think it would be good if I could use violence. Are there extreme cases where it might be necessary, such as to save someone? Sure. Should it be used routinely? No.
I went to school with a Danny Kendall. He was my childhood McMurphy. G’day Irving, wherever you are.
Seems quite a few fellow teachers were pretty scared of Mr. Bronson as well as the pupils!
Michael Sheard: Mr Bronson, Adolf Hitler and Admiral Ozzel.
Michael Sheard was a great guy and fascinating to talk to. He was from quite near to me and met him many times at conventions and local events. I once spoke to him for over two hours at a small role-playing event. He told me he would happily speak to me all day, provided I bought his book, so I pretty much held him to it. 😁I still have the signed copy of the book that I bought.
He even, very generously, gave me the opportunity to take the role of Darth Vader while he re-created the death of Admiral Ozzel on stage at a convention. He used to carry his Star Wars Admiral Ozzel collectible card with a message from George Lucas written on it. The message was something like "to the worst Admiral in the imperial fleet", a message that he was clearly very proud of.
Mr Sheard told me a great story: he was attending a screening (premiere?) of The Empire Strikes back in the UK, and when Admiral Ozzel first appeared on screen, someone in the audience yelled "f*ck me, it's Mr Bronson", such was the power of the character.
A great guy and sadly missed.
Bronson's problem was he was too old fashioned and didn't realise kids in the late eighties were rather different to ones from 20 or 30 years earlier. I think he did hound Danny too much and had a vendetta against Ant Jones and was lucky not to lose his job.
So old hat he was a comedic character same with Grantley in Waterloo road
I would have loved to have mr Bronson as a teacher
I had a teacher like mr bronson he was always on my case
The first scene is from 92 Man Utd dressing room when fergie caught Gary Neville skiving gymnastics training .
They should air grange hill again, teach kids more in its fictional classrooms on a tv screen than the actual classrooms today.
First minute a thought is that a flat screen on the wall lol
"You have failed me for the last time, Mr Bronson!"
That's what happens when you come out of hyper-space too near the system!
Mr Bronson is The Terminator!
Was Mr Robson the longest serving teacher in Grange Hill? He must be.... 20 years
Does anybody else think Miss Booth is very attractive? I certainly do and always did.
In my experience art teachers were always the best looking. Probably because of their open-minded creative philosophy. One of my art teachers had that whole late New Romantic look and very nicely resembled Kim Wilde :)
Schools today could do with more teachers like Bronson.
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I like the way Danny labelled the other pupils as sheep lol. That's the same as society!
Mrs Mclusky was a great actor.
Gwyneth Powell - who had since died.
Danny Kendall was my childhood hero.
Kendal was very difficult to work out. Very bright but very difficult to fathom
These days, they would probably say Danny was on the scale and be completely mollycoddled
Sheard actually played Hitler five times: Rogue Male (1976), The Tomorrow People (1978), The Dirty Dozen: Next Mission (1985), Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade (1989) and Secret History: Hitler of the Andes (2003).
He also portrayed Heinrich Himmler three times: The Death of Adolf Hitler (1973), The Bunker (1981) and Space (1985).
What exactly was Bronson's problem especially with Kendal?
A major problem with Danny Kendall was quite simply that he didn't always do what was expected of him. So he just disappeared from class, wandered around the school building, didn't take the teachers' orders seriously, even disobeyed the teachers' orders, such as when Mrs. Reagan ordered him to go to Mr. Baxter and proved in Mr. Bronson's eyes to be unreliable and like someone who only did what pleased him in this situation. Such students are considered difficult cases and this has not changed compared to the past. With such difficult students, the teacher or school administration quickly seeks a one-on-one conversation and/or a conversation with the parents to make it clear what is expected of the pupil in question.
@Glenn1967ful
I remember reading about Micheal Sheard saying that when he took the part it would be under the premise that he would never strike a child (I could stand corrected but am pretty sure that was the gist of it)....however, I remember one scene when N1 were 4th yrs, and the merger with RB and Brookdale just occurred, where Mr Bronson threatened Annette Firman with the cane, to which she replied along the lines that she would get her Dad down here quick smart!!!
Kendall seemed like a very mature and reasonable kid. He could see school for the childish nonsense it is.
I bet Bronson would have loved to have used that cane, but by the time this was made it had been banned.
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Always thought he would have made a good Davros of the Daleks
He had appeared in Doctor Who a few times.
i would agree kendall was a pain in the arse. but there are ways of dealing with difficult kids like that. i do love the realism though of this storyline
Bronson used to play a good nazi in war films ,he also played a nazi officer in the hiding place ,also he played a german site manager in Auf Weidersehen pet too.
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If only Bronson had done the RLSS Life saving course….
Pretty sure that slide at the end was from one of the times Michael Heard played Hitler.
@randomdave30 Shows he was well played by Michael Sheard!!
Reminds me of our head of year 4 (what would now be year 10) who only had to shout 'you in the green' and you'd all freeze. She was a 'proper miss' who seemed to hate boys especially and would go up to them and grab them by by the shoulders and shake them 😄
Bronson would no way get to treat any pupil from todays generation that way .Schools have changed a lot.
Leon Watson teachers are pussys these days
Leon Watson we need more teachers like bronson kids are little shits and don't respect anyone
No, kids no nothing of respect these days, whilst *demanding* it of everyone they run into...
Danny detention in my office after school
He was only 44/45 in auf wiedersen pet!
The paradox of teachers like Mr Bronson, they hate kids but work with them. Discipline is one thing but being a bully is another. I crossed paths teachers similar to Bronson 35 years ago whilst at school. One of them loved to humiliate kids.
The paradox of Mr Bronson specifically is easy to understand. He's only working at Grange Hill because of wider changes to school structures in the area rather than setting out to teach there. He arrived when Grange Hill merged with Rodney Bennett and Brookdale. From the little we saw of Rodney Bennett in the early years it seemed to be a once grammar school that still maintained the ethos after the 11 plus was abolished whilst Grange Hill would presumably have been a secondary modern before comprehensivisation. Bronson had been a Latin master at RB and doubtless a staunch supporter of continuing the traditions.
Then the two schools merge (along with another) and his subject was abolished. He was of an age where teachers (a term he probably hated; traditionally in grammar schools it was "masters") are generally looking towards their last internal promotions rather than changing schools so there would have been little prospect of finding another school to be a senior Latin master at. He may also have been tied to the Northam area living with his sister and mother.
So in his later years he found himself teaching a subject he doesn't have much time for in a type of school he hates (he would no doubt vigorously agree with the Peter Hitchens view that a comprehensive school is a secondary modern by another name) and deeply frustrated with the difficulties of getting the pupils to take it on board. "Old school" in a literal sense.
@Thenicereviewguy Agreed, just like prison.
in my opinion ok bronson was one of these very stricked old school teachers and danny kendall was a difficult boy to handle. but in my opinion bronson behaved totally unprofessionally and in my opinion hounded him into an early grave what do others think? but hey all in all great acting from michael sheared and everyone involved
More like grunge hill amirite
Better put your hat on 7:51
What was his problem with Kendall
he thought that danny was getting special treatment, which made him mad with kendall
He fancied him
Bronson himself most likely had a very regimented, very strict and very orderly upbringing and his own parents most likely always reminded him of the "rebellious delinquents" that were popular at his school, while he was most likely a loner. So then as an adult headteacher he sees somebody like Danny and it reminds him of the very same rebels he knew at his own school.
Richard Pearson & sharkie12354 (I know that I'm commenting on an old thread but Maurice will always be one of my fave characters so am always keen to join a discussion about him) anyway, (lol), you're right Richard, as to Maurice, Danny was insolent and troublesome who did had to be brought into line....but see how he was with kids like Janet St Claire and Roland Browning, as well with Matthew Pearson in the later years as he would engage in conversation with them and want to see them do well...
@selfselfself
I agree...and whilst we're on the subject of fit teachers at GH, I always thought Miss Partridge was okay, and Miss Lexington was as well....and there was an extra that played a science teacher that was probably the most attractive teacher ever at GH (around the time when Zammo and N1 were 2nd years...not Miss Mooney, but another one)
bronson = Arnold Ernst Toht from raiders of the lost ark .......naaazziiiiiiii lol
Wrong! He played Hitler in the last Crusade tho
Ironic comment by the child in the first scene shown, in that Michael Sheard played the part of Hitler in various films and TV programmes.
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then the boy who played kendall watched empire strikes back and saw him force choked by darth vader
Jones and Danny Kendal should have collected evidence and names of witnesses. But these days he could have recorded it covertly, never mind trhe details, it was the evidence he needed.
I absolutely HATED this teacher. Mainly because I had one just like him...only he was a she. She gave me nightmares, literally.
W Leon Yeah we had one too, nobody dared even speak, let alone piss about in her class.
No one can learn under such atmosphere.
W Leon I agree, how can you learn properly if you can't speak up and ask questions now and then? Shut up and read the book in front of you doesn't help anyone.
Oh, it would still carry on if they knew they could get away with it.
W Leon Good job they can't eh?
I hated danny. I was with Bronson. F kendall I say.
Bronson couldn't cry disrespect if he got a smack in the mouth.
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Playing Mr Bronson was great practice for playing Adolf Hitler later in his career.
Kendall was a horrible kid. Mr Bronson was correct on all counts. "We had a contract" - whiny little gimp. If he was around today he'd defo be a member of insulate Britain
You sound tedious to be around
He was abit like Hitler 😂
Adolf Bronson 😒
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Bet Bronsn hated serving under a woman!
I think he did
Bronson’s French was crap
Many teachers are winging it
I felt soz for DK wen Bronson relentlessly bullied him! Bronson was like Hitler imo! Danny K seemed like a nice lad v.intelligent and beyond his years it was a shame they killed his charecter off it wuddof Been intresting to see how his charecter wuddof developed years after leavn GH in a spin off tv series like they did with Peter 'tucker" Jenkins!