Looks about normal for this age, I am not a Tesla fan, but I would not criticise it for this level of rust, the electronics will send it to the crusher before the rust. Let's see how the Chinese MGs etc perform.
@@sarcasticundertones3513 Only the one spot in the front left wheel well isn't looking too good. The rest is about normal state for a daily driven car in northern Europe I'd say.
A four year old car, already starting to have underbody rust, behind the panels, that should be made to prevent exactly this? Nahh, it's not fine. Not even close to being fine.
In 2018 I purchased a new Ford F-150 pickup truck. I live in Alberta, Canada where we use very little salt on our roads and I drive very little as I am retired. I had more rust on the underside of my vehicle after two years than yuo have on your Tesla. Some areas on the underside of the Ford had little to no primer or paint protection. The black paint in some places was so thin that you could almost see through it. After four years there was a noticable amount of rust on the underside of the truck and it was visible around the front wheel wells. The rear looked good as I installed plastic wheel liners. I sold it after four years, but if I bought another one that I intended to keep for a long time I would get it rustproofed at time of purchase.
I have a model 3 with 70,000 miles. I'm a mechanical engineer and have spent lots of time in, around and under cars and do a lot of my own maintenance on our 5 cars (I have four teenagers). I haven't seen any noticeable rust. The Tesla has been a fantastic car with zero maintenance required. We love it so much we sold a 2016 Ford Explorer after recall #11 (yes, it's true, 11 recalls!) and bought my wife a Model Y.
it depends strongly on the number of times the car had contact with salt or brine. After a cold winter with lots of snow an salty roads, corrosion sets in quite rapidly, even on non coated aluminum parts
Nothing to worry about. I think you are forgetting just how rapidly 1970s/1980s Alfas, Fiats, Datsuns, Toyotas, Fords, Volkswagens, Ladas and FSOs dissolved in water and salt. You’d be flaking strips of paint off underneath by now.
In early 2022, German car magazine "auto motor und sport" ran an article about a different Tesla rust spot: Apparently they use foamed plastic for sound deadening inside the A-pillar. It traps moisture that makes a great basis for rust. Basically, they recommended having the car properly rustproofed by experts right after taking delivery.
What would be interesting is to look at the fixings where the cast aluminium rear chassis is bolted onto the mild steel body, and what measures are taken to mitigate electro-chemical corrosion. If they use steel bolts it would be good to take a bolt out and see if the aluminium is starting to corrode. This is a common problem on motorcycles where the exhaust is attached to aluminium cylinders, the aluminium eventually corrodes and crumbles away so that it has to be repaired with a helicoil insert.
This is nothing. This will more or less happen to any car in our climate. Those ‘rust spots’ you’re showing are some slight surface rust and at one point it seems like a dent where the rust has started, so not the cars fault. If you really have experienced an Alfa Romeo Alfasud, you would know that they were virtually rotted through from the factory.
I agree. The AlfaSud was a legend for all the wrong reasons! Not many people seem to remember that 1970's Toyota Corollas, and some other models, also had a massive rust problem.
A yearly "Lanoguard" treatment will keep your car 100% - I use it for all mine and it keeps a new car new - but you need to make sure the underbody and wheel arches are jet washed (low pressure) or hosed down everytime your car is washed (if you are able to do this of course).
VW use mild steel coated in the thinnest paint for the battery tray on their ID3. They rust and water gets past the thin rubber seal. You know what happens next.
Hi, rust is a big problem in Scandinavia due to a moisty/humid climate often with snow and thus salt on the roads. All cars rust here, if not given a undercarriage antirust treatment as well as in sills. the minimal caulking and joining of plates in Tesla is cutting corners- It is bad build quality, but Tesla is cheaper than many German EV (th-cam.com/video/oy9SqT3CYgI/w-d-xo.html) 2:53.
I found all the ground connections, there was a little rust on some in my Model 3, sprayed then with a product called Rustcure. In my Y did the spray when it was new. Rust on ground connections is a bad thing.
Nice explanation of how and where corrosion typically begins on a car. I love the presentation and details. I wonder how much more it would cost manufacturers to design for corrosion prevention. If it added $500-1,000 to a vehicle's cost, wouldn't that be worth it?
I don't like Teslas and I think they were built with planned obsolescence in mind, but I don't think this is a fair comparison. Alfasuds, while far more enjoyable to drive, were literally biodegradable and started to rust from inside out. You would have seen holes instead of surface rust. After 6 Swedish winters my 2011 Volvo V70 was looking far worse than this Tesla and now the car is 13 years old, still looking like that. It's all surface rust and will not eat through. Even at 200,000 km I didn't need to change bushings, only the front stabilisers have been changed which are a €25 part and 10 minutes work.
Is this a joke? That car is 2 years old and looks brand new underneath. Come look at a car that operates in the northern United States after two years. Hell, try this with a Jeep or Ford F150, they come new from the dealer with rusted parts underneath. I'd say this Tesla is doing just fine.
If you actually want to learn about corrosion in automotive applications you need to spend time in the Midwestern US. What you're looking at is absolutely trivial. Not a single person anywhere in the US would bat an eye at this.
Pay attention! Aluminum oxidizes and becomes prone to cracks and inter-granular corrosion, with salt or brine acting like an accelerator. So it's smart to also treat the aluminum parts with the protective wax.
@@pinecedar180indeed, because the gigapress parts are also allowed to be repaired, leaving quite some cars stranded as economic total losses even after minor accidents.
Cmon guys, it looks all good for 2 year old car. The paint scratch is 5 min job to repair. Please compare any other 2 years old car. The insufficient undercoat protection (or lack at all!) Is general problem for all makers these days.
it depends strongly on the number of times the car had contact with salt or brine. After a cold winter with lots of snow an salty roads, corrosion sets in quite rapidly, even on non coated aluminum parts.
I have a 2008 and a 2011 BMW X3, both with about 250,000 km on the clock All these kilometres on middle Swedish salty winter roads. There isn't very much rust underneath the car either. At least the body will last for another 15 years!
Thats not rust, had a 2014 Subaru Outback, brand new the first day I had it there was 10x the rust of my 2 year old Model Y. Buy year 7 the Subaru Rust Back was a rusting nightmare underneath. In Canada we use tons of salt, everything rusts.
The very obvious, hose out all the nooks and crannys with a hose. Part of washing a car. The rust under the paint will get worse. Clean and paint properly. Finish under there is actually poor. The seam sealer is enough for 2 cars!
2:00 This is what happens when a technology company takes on the mantle of an auto designer/manufacturer without having the requisite decades of experience.
You're 100% wrong. 1) Tesla is not a technology company. Apple is a technology company. 2) No company starts out with "Decades of experience". They can however hire experienced engineers and designers, which Tesla has done. 3) No car company can build a car that doesn't have at least a few design flaws, no matter the amount of experience they have. Doing so means building something that is perfect, which I think everyone will agree is not possible. 4) Dirt/Debris stuck in fender liners is a common problem for all cars.
@@starpawsy keep up with the delusions on your behalf. If EVs were more of a fire risk than ICE then it would show up in terms of insurance premiums. Companies run fleets of these things, they might have noticed also. The only vehicles I’ve ever seen on fire were regular ICE types. I’m not saying they don’t catch fire at all, or that some models aren’t more prone than others, but that it’s less likely than in conventional vehicles as (1) there are less moving parts to break and (2) no tank full of inflammable liquid to ignite.
@@starpawsy a fuel tank also burns well, rusted or non rusted. Your point is? Thermal runaway is only a problem for NMC type cells, not for example with LiFePO4 types, and it is only a problem if the safety systems put in place to prevent it have failed. Just because something can burn doesn’t mean it is guaranteed to happen.
Cars should not have pockets & gaps in seams exposed to possible water ingress or designed allowing collection of silt & grit that will accumulate.I crawl around the underside of my now 10 year old Forester once every year & seems very clean but there is likely no concern for me as salted roads are unknown with the dry climate.
Most of that is surface rust, of no importance whatsoever and that your would see in any car, even more if drove in winter up north were there’s salt on roads, or in cars that live near costal cities. I’m not a Tesla fan but this is minor.
Det er også problemet, at Tesla-ejerne er i tvivl om det. Vi bruger SUVO i Aalborg SV. Hvis du booker der, så indtast autofokus i rabatkoden, så får du 15% rabat @@SilverLine84
Tilføj gerne et screenshot af svar fra tesla af hvor de skriver at garanti m.m. IKKE bortfalder når du får den behandler. Jeg har nemlig set screenshot fra tesla hvor de SKRIVER at garantien osv bortfalder.
How can you compare them to the Alfasud? The Alfasud was a great car to drive with excellent handling and many groundbreaking features. The Tesla is nothing like it.
@@thetruth7633I think it was more about lack of corrosion protection and design issues that left dirt/water traps. In Italy it was fine, put in the U.K. or N Europe where we throw salt onto our roads and it’s all set to corrode. I remember some of my early cars, 8-9 year old Ford Cortina and Austin Mini and 1100, completely rotted away. Even by mid 1990’s my Saab 900T had holes on the door at only 7 years old. Unthinkable with modern cars.
@@steve251157My father owned many Alfa's from that era, he always said "Alfa is a nice weather car, not for rainy climates" . CCCP bought the rights for some Fiat models in exchange for steel.
@@stevehale4712 I agree that they did rust badly, but then so did most cars of the 70's. the technology wasn't there, either in body design or corrosion protection. The Lancia beta was worse than the alfasud, they literally were rusty as they left the dealers forecourt.
I have a VW that I bought as a commuter car 7 years ago (sweden), and I have never taken care of it lol. Its got 280000km on the odometer now, and the only rust that is, is a little around the fuelcap (common on these, cause the car did not have any wheelarches inside..). I maybe wash it, twice a year... On the vehicle inspeciton, he told me my car looked really good on the chassie and body except for that fuelcap. lol :) Meanwhile my Audi that I tried to take care of started to rust. so not sure if its something bad in cleaning for the car, and its better to leave it dirty for longer periods, or if its just luck that my VW do not have rust..
They know the battery is going to send this thing to the yard long before it rusts out. No factory undercoating in the wheel wells on a car that expensive? come on! Rusty suspension components can be replaced, sheet metal corrosion is the only thing that really matters.
Why would the battery be the cause of scraping? Current Tesla NCA batteries are better than those seen years ago, however, even those have boasted a 88% average battery retention after 200k miles (300k km). Current NCA batteries, which are found in longer range higher end products do better than that. Even better, the standard range version of cars are usually equipped with LFP. LFP has a significantly better longevity. Battery issues occur, and lemons happen, and thats why there is a great warranty on them. By the way, you usually repair/replace battery cell segments rather than the whole battery for obvious reasons.
@@sebastianorye2702 but repairing a battery voids all warranty if you leave it some random repairshop, and if something happens, no insurance will cover you. And if you leave it to Tesla to repair outside of warranty, it will be expensive, cause its a lot of work, so the question is if its worth it then. I saw a video from a chinese repairshop and they were angry at BYDs new batterys cause they are really impossible to repair, (the blade battery)
@@sebastianorye2702exactly. There’s already a lot of data on the longevity of Tesla batteries and drive trains, and it’s better, WAY better, than any ICE driven car on the market.
The Alfasud rust started from inside the steel panels which is unusual - also at each end of the cills where welding had burnt through the surface protection.. Glad to see you covering this issue, disappointed by your findings. I am used to buying used but premium makes such as BMW, Volvo etc and they really sorted rustproofing out from about 2005. I had a Porsche 924s made in 1985 and there was no rust due to the use of galvanised steel. This same risk has stopped me even considering Chinese brands for at least the next 10 years and I can only hope that e.g. German brands made in China are constructed to the same standards (BMW). This has not always been the case, I am thinking of the VW Fox which I think was made in Brazil and Argentina but not to German standards. In the end I bought a Renault Zoe since I haven't seen a rusty Renault for a while - here's hoping.
Yes I had an Alfasud back in the 70s. When it was 3 1/2 years old, the front cross member broke loose from the chassis rails. When I investigated, I found that the rails had been filled with polyurethane foam which absorbed water. Very sadly I had to scrap it - it was by far the most fun car I've ever had.
The fear of rust is the main reason why I don‘t want to buy a Model 3 or Y. Both models are made of steal with some parts of aluminium. My first choise is the Model X, because it‘s made of aluminium, a very big SUV and it has falcon wing doors. As a 5 seat version it‘s the perfect car to go camping or on very long roadtrips.
@@autofokusDanmark OK 😊 Jeg læste egentlig dit facebook opslag som “man skal ikke undervognsbehandle”, men nu jeg ser videoen tænker jeg egentlig det er en god idé at undervognsbehandle.
Tesla is still relatively new. They take on feedback quite well, possibly better than any other auto manufacturer. These rust causing conditions don’t affect the majority of their market, but I do hope the cars are improved rapidly.
Can you do a comparison video with, say, VW Golf, of the same age and mileage from the same area so that we can reach a conclusion as to whether or not you are showing is an issue or not? Where is all the sand coming from, is the car being run along roads right next to the sea? Is your purpose to do a hit-job on Tesla? It looks like it because you provide no context about the mileage and the area in which the car is used.
He says he's in Denmark and like most countries that have winter a lot of road salt is used throughout winter along with toad grit. The salt also has a tendency to loosen up dirt in the road surface. The roads can also be wet for weeks on end and that's how you get grime build up like that. Now, legacy car manufacturers are well aware of this and usually design their cars to have as few grime (rust) traps as possible, but they also fuck up sometimes.
The car is not two years old yet. The other car manufactures have been through this leaning regarding rust many years ago, the hard way! I do believe thay have protecols to follow when designing the chassis, so rust is being prevented through a good design. However, no matter how good the design is, rust protection is still nessesary in my opinion. Regarding Tesla, I think they will be facing some angry costumers the next couple of years, when they discover rust is starting to grow, on the relativily new car. /Simon
Because this is what has been trapped between the plastic liners and the metal body thr material is the scale of what can actually get in, dust and sand, not gravel and pebbles.
The problems you see here are pretty universal and found on most cars to some degree. Some do better, others do worse. Most cars these days use steel subframes and suspension arms which are painted with ED-paint; it's cheap, cause low VOC-emissions and is regarded as "good enough". You might be able to find some cars which have hot dip galvanized steel parts or some high end vehicles with aluminum components but that is generally not the norm. With salt on the roads you will soon see signs of rust on these components and in 10+ years a suspension arm or link might need replacement due to rust. Sand, dirt and water will find its way underneath the plastic shields used in the wheel wells and under the car. Usually these are designed so that larger quantities of water can be drained to the ground and with some distance to the sheet metal body so that dirt between the shield and the body doesn't damage the paint. In the end though, you usually suffer from some paint damage somewhere which will cause rust. Wet dirt also creates very good conditions for rust. Unfortunately, modern cars usually don't have a PVC underbody coating in the wheel wells underneath the plastic liners. Infact, they usually lack even a paint clearcoat and often also the base color coat. Instead the corrosion protection depends on galvanized steel (galvanized at the steel mill), phosphating (makes paint stick to the galvanized steel) and a layer of ED-paint (the whole body is dipped in this paint with an electric charge added to the body). This paint is very good at filling all the voids, but it is thin and can be damaged by stone chips. Fortunately galvanized steel have some self healing properties.
My only car is an EV. I love it, and I am unlikely to ever own another ICE vehicle... so I am not rushing to defend ICE vehicles. However, I am curious where your "60x" claim came from? The other thing to keep in mind is that there are almost NO EV's that are more than fourteen years old; there are a huge number of older ICE vehicles, which must increase their risk of fires.
And I'm sure I can find statistics that claim the opposite. 🥱 Claims like these are meaningless when you ignore methodology, data quality, sample size. It's just a way to sound credible without being so.
it's the same for Tesla made in Berlin and in the US, Tesla is notorious for skimping on any rust protection whatsoever, even the most basic ones like sealing the borders of the stamped steel parts.
Yep , Teslas were and are a poorly built car where all the money has gone into the electronics and nothing into the body . You only have to look how cheap the interior is and how the body panels fit to see that . Regardless of salt on the road or not no car should start rotting like this after only 2 years . My car is a 20 year old pickup truck and it has less rust than the 4 year old Tesla shown .
Guys, any car have some rust on those components even brand new ones from any manufacturer, this is nothing to be worried about, most of the parts are replaceable especial tie rods and push rods, the rest can be sealed from day one when you receive a car and you will have no rust for ever and this is applicable to any car, so don’t over value those little findings.
@@DBGE001Teslas battery warranty is 8 years and mileage is from 100k-150k depending of model. If you only do dc/fast charging you might need battery change around 150-200k miles. But if you charge mostly at home with ac charging battery should last double that. Model Y was best selling car of anykind in 2023. It would not have been if it was so bad as you think it is.
The people that run Tesla's corrosion program are directly from Detroit. People think Tesla hired brand new inexperienced people, that's not the case at all.
@@autofokusDanmarkTo be honest Europeans seem to have an addiction to buying unreliable vehicles so I wouldn't single out Teslas. It's normal to go 500k km with nothing but scheduled maintenance with vehicles Europeans tend to not buy (like a Corolla) but a European friend will claim his VW Golf is perfectly reliable while telling me about all the things he had to get fixed. 😂
Where there is snow equals salted roads and any vehicle will rust and in Australia there is little snow and good quality vehicles don't rust my 27 year old Toyota Hilux has some surface rust but passes its yearly rego check that is for cars over 5 years cars but vehicles used to rust l am wondering if Tesla's will rust in 5 years when in N.S.W Australia when they have there first rego check that sort of structural rust would be a fail and there so your Tesla would be virtually a write off because the cost of rust repairs would be more than the Tesla is worth in five years time and we all know how EVs depreciate
Obviously you shouldn't be driving a Tesla in winter when there's salt on the road! Or anywhere with sea spray! So.... stay away from the coast and keep the dang thing in the garage November to April. Fixed it for yah!
I live in Sweden (next to denmark) and here they spray the roads with salt for like 4-5 months a year, so its hard to not get salt on the car. I guess Denmark is a bit more warm in winters, so they might not do that?
I wish you had also showed some of those areas after the wash was complete. At 2:35 you show a build up of sand, and suggest water can enter the car there because it is spot-welded. You do not remove the sand to show us whether there is missing sealant. Spot-welds in areas like that have sealant applied before the weld is done. Overall, I think your video is biased, and ovestates how bad the condition of this car is.
That little bit of "rust" is of ZERO consequence. I would worry more about suspension control arm failures of those cast aluminum parts and showing up on various Tesla models. Additionally, early battery failures are also becoming a big as well as costly concern. Then there are those expensive special tire failures.
How are early battery failures a "costly" problem? They are pretty much all still under warranty, maybe a few with very high miles on them aren't but otherwise, it is warranty. Also what tire failures? All that is known till this day are the suspension control arms and underused braking rotors.
Pretty sure most manufacturers are still making the same mistakes today. It would be nice if all underbodies were designed to prevent corrosion. Seems like it would be a good selling point.
All cars rust. Invest in an undercoating and make sure weep holes don’t get plugged up. Better yet, drive over a newly tarred road a few times and clear out weep holes afterwards.
Den ser da rigtig god ud ? ikke meget at komme efter. Hvis man har bilen i fx 4-5 år så er der ingen grund til at behandle den. Beholder du den i 8 år.. så ja måske. Men den ser rigtig pæn ud ! Grunden til du anbefaler behandlinger jo også at du lever af det. Det vil jo være dumt at sige at man ikke behøver behandle den når du jo lever af det 👍 Hvor meget har den kørt ? 40000-50000km ? 😂
@@autofokusDanmark fair nok. Der skulle ikke ha stået du men de. Men du går jo alligevel rundt på værkstedet med deres lampe osv og kommentere på tingene som du har forstand på det ?? Eller er blevet instrueret i det. Og så tilbyder du også en rabatkode ? Så en eller anden form for “samarbejde” har du jo med dem. Så igen.. det er klart du vil anbefale det når nu du har det her samarbejde med dem. Prøv kør bilen til fdm og få deres vurdering. Hvor langt har din søsters bil kørt ?
Ved ikke lige helt hvor mit svar er blever af… måske slettet. Nå men skal se om jeg kan huske det hele jeg skrev. Men du har ret der skulle ikke stå du men de. Men du må jo ha en eller anden form for samarbejde med dem da du jo går rundt på deres værksted med deres lampe osv og kommentere på tingene som du har forstand på det eller er blevet instrueret i det. Plus du tilbyder jo også en rabatkode så en eller anden form for samarbejde tænker jeg du har med dem. Derfor du også anbefaler at få den behandlet jo. Prøv kør den til fdm og hør hvad de siger til den ? Og hvor langt har din søsters bil kørt ?
Rust prevention center? We are too stupid here in Massachusetts to have one. I would 500 bucks a year to have my vehicle put on a lift for a deep clean and protected.
“Hello Rusty Jones, goodbye rusty cars….!” How did that work out? The so-called protection clogged drainage holes, trapped water in bad places and generally made it worse, and this sort of product stopped being bought. I’m from MA and was there for the “make it worse, faster” rust show.
The build quality on Tesla is in general low. People are just blind and Tesla owners think its the best car in the world. I still laugh when a model 3 drivers by creaking from the front suspension😂 its a rather expencive car but omg 😂
Yes, our friends have a Tesla 3. The front end creaks when they reverse out of our driveway. What is that noise? It’s not a worn out CV sound, it’s something I can’t identify.
Is it really that expensive? I could have had a Model 3 for less money than my Kia Niro EV. I bought the Niro because there are two dealerships, with service near me, while the nearest Tesla dealer is four hours drive away. BTW; the fit and finish on the Kia is flawless!
@@alarjak The upper & lower ball joints are sealed units, can't be greased and I think they're possibly integral with the hub assembly. The car has only done 12000 km (7400 miles) and at the moment it's an 800 km round trip to the nearest Tesla facility while an authorised service setup is being established in our town. I'm a former mechanic and I offered to put the car up on my mates hoist just for a good look but they're worried about voiding the warranty. The car has otherwise had no other issues so far. I'm stunned at the irregular door gaps on such an expensive car but I've not mentioned it to our friends.
Good question. I bet the oil and ice pushers were pretty happy with this amateur hour of five minutes. The thumb alone: is Tesla Alfasud? No, Tesla is a company in 2024 and alfasud is a small car from 1971. You could just as well ask if this channel was the pope.
Maybe read the description? This is observations, at a rust prevention center, in Denmark. In Norway, there are companies, making aftermarket underneath body panels, because the Tesla's are overall very badly protected against underbody rust. The paint, is so thin some places, that it's nearly non-existent. th-cam.com/video/oy9SqT3CYgI/w-d-xo.html
In the 70ies every car rusted away in a year or two. Rust in the middle of the hood on an Audi on delivery, Fiat rusting on the roof. Citroens, Peugeots and Renaults dead after 3 years. Mercedes made allmost 10 years. Why is rust a topic again?
@@N4CR In Germany public services like fire departments etc. usually buy cars, trucks to have a life span of 25 years or more. They get a Dinitrol treatment. Horrible stuff to work under the car when covered in that crap but it works very well.
It will be interesting to see how the Aluminium cast parts on a steel shell fare. I had a Tesla 3 and it was horrible. The build quality is horrendous, with mis-aligned body panels, Also, its very efficient, but at cost. I found it increasingly difficult to get in and out, it is very low to the ground,. It is certainly a young guys car.
You're just getting old, haven't maintained your physical fitness and don't want to admit it. The entrance ergonomics into a Model 3 are identical to every other sedan on the market. If you wanted an SUV or a crossover that's what you should have purchased.
A number of those issues can be attributed to bad engineering and poor design. As much effort needs to be put into the design of the "mundane parts" as it is for the user interface and software. A sotware update will never be able to compensate for poor engineering and design. Pretty poor coming from a manufacturer that has a person that claims to know more about manufacturing than anyone else alive !!!!
Looks about normal for this age, I am not a Tesla fan, but I would not criticise it for this level of rust, the electronics will send it to the crusher before the rust. Let's see how the Chinese MGs etc perform.
Right? Seems like a normal amount of surface rust.
@@sarcasticundertones3513 Only the one spot in the front left wheel well isn't looking too good. The rest is about normal state for a daily driven car in northern Europe I'd say.
Everyone seems to say this is terrible, sure looks fine to me, for the most part. Certainly a little room for improvement, but held up well enough.
A four year old car, already starting to have underbody rust, behind the panels, that should be made to prevent exactly this? Nahh, it's not fine. Not even close to being fine.
@@IncoG8 two years old
In 2018 I purchased a new Ford F-150 pickup truck. I live in Alberta, Canada where we use very little salt on our roads and I drive very little as I am retired. I had more rust on the underside of my vehicle after two years than yuo have on your Tesla. Some areas on the underside of the Ford had little to no primer or paint protection. The black paint in some places was so thin that you could almost see through it. After four years there was a noticable amount of rust on the underside of the truck and it was visible around the front wheel wells. The rear looked good as I installed plastic wheel liners. I sold it after four years, but if I bought another one that I intended to keep for a long time I would get it rustproofed at time of purchase.
Thanks for your comment! Not well made the F150😂
Designed to last 5 years. Perfect!
I believe a little more☺️. With a good rust protection it will last many years.
/Simon
I have a model 3 with 70,000 miles. I'm a mechanical engineer and have spent lots of time in, around and under cars and do a lot of my own maintenance on our 5 cars (I have four teenagers). I haven't seen any noticeable rust. The Tesla has been a fantastic car with zero maintenance required. We love it so much we sold a 2016 Ford Explorer after recall #11 (yes, it's true, 11 recalls!) and bought my wife a Model Y.
But, do you live in an environment where road salt is used regularly, which likely happens where Mr. Autofocus lives?
@@greeneyesms Yes. The Rocky Mountains near a ski resort.
it depends strongly on the number of times the car had contact with salt or brine. After a cold winter with lots of snow an salty roads, corrosion sets in quite rapidly, even on non coated aluminum parts
@@TrendyStone Interesting. I wonder why there is a difference between your experience and that of the video creator.
@@greeneyesms Anecdotes. Our 2016 Ford Explorer had 11 recalls. Total nightmare. But…perhaps I was just unlucky.
Nothing to worry about. I think you are forgetting just how rapidly 1970s/1980s Alfas, Fiats, Datsuns, Toyotas, Fords, Volkswagens, Ladas and FSOs dissolved in water and salt. You’d be flaking strips of paint off underneath by now.
We are in the 2020s now, rust protection technology has progressed a lot in those 50 years...
@@meltdown6165 and yet people act as if the modern cars were less resistant to corrosion.
@@meltdown6165 Thinks Mark 1 Ford Ka. Absolutely no rust protection whatsoever.
@@meltdown6165money greed by car manufacturers have progressed too
In early 2022, German car magazine "auto motor und sport" ran an article about a different Tesla rust spot:
Apparently they use foamed plastic for sound deadening inside the A-pillar. It traps moisture that makes a great basis for rust.
Basically, they recommended having the car properly rustproofed by experts right after taking delivery.
Interesting knowledge! Thanks for sharing👍
What would be interesting is to look at the fixings where the cast aluminium rear chassis is bolted onto the mild steel body, and what measures are taken to mitigate electro-chemical corrosion. If they use steel bolts it would be good to take a bolt out and see if the aluminium is starting to corrode. This is a common problem on motorcycles where the exhaust is attached to aluminium cylinders, the aluminium eventually corrodes and crumbles away so that it has to be repaired with a helicoil insert.
Good point , you see the same reaction on Land Rovers where the steel frame meets the aluminium body panels .
Thank you! This is helpful to know where to apply some extra flushing to remove buildup, especially in the outside corner behind the front wheel.
So apart from very slight scab at the front at about 1.50 that looks like impact damage. This car is better than average for deterioration.
1 coat of fluid film under the liners will last for 5 years plus. 8 us$ for one can 10 minutes of work after the liners are off.
This is nothing. This will more or less happen to any car in our climate. Those ‘rust spots’ you’re showing are some slight surface rust and at one point it seems like a dent where the rust has started, so not the cars fault. If you really have experienced an Alfa Romeo Alfasud, you would know that they were virtually rotted through from the factory.
I agree. The AlfaSud was a legend for all the wrong reasons! Not many people seem to remember that 1970's Toyota Corollas, and some other models, also had a massive rust problem.
We recently sold a 2004 BMW Z4 driven in the U.K. with salted roads, it had less rust than this 2 year old Tesla. That’s the expectation in Europe.
A yearly "Lanoguard" treatment will keep your car 100% - I use it for all mine and it keeps a new car new - but you need to make sure the underbody and wheel arches are jet washed (low pressure) or hosed down everytime your car is washed (if you are able to do this of course).
I use it, too. I wished I had known earlier, especially in Scotland! Brilliant stuff!
I wouldn't worry much about it. By the time the rust becomes serious, the car will be in the scrapyard for other reasons.
thats indeed a strong possibility, Tesla's don't last very long, plagued by battery and motor/electronics faults.
Can this be replaced in warranty?
@@JRCarReviews I actually don’t know
VW use mild steel coated in the thinnest paint for the battery tray on their ID3. They rust and water gets past the thin rubber seal. You know what happens next.
Hi. Thanks for your comment. I did not know that!
Rust. A protective coating that forms on steel.
Fed bil ,... vel lige så godt beskyttet mod rust som biler i 1969.
Den bør ihverfald blive sprøjtet i løbet af de første par år.
Interesting but I have no frame of reference. How does this compare to rust on other new cars?
Hi, rust is a big problem in Scandinavia due to a moisty/humid climate often with snow and thus salt on the roads. All cars rust here, if not given a undercarriage antirust treatment as well as in sills. the minimal caulking and joining of plates in Tesla is cutting corners- It is bad build quality, but Tesla is cheaper than many German EV (th-cam.com/video/oy9SqT3CYgI/w-d-xo.html) 2:53.
I found all the ground connections, there was a little rust on some in my Model 3, sprayed then with a product called Rustcure. In my Y did the spray when it was new. Rust on ground connections is a bad thing.
Thanks for writing! Yes, rust on Ground connections is not good!!
As a past owner of 3 Alfasud I concur and this Tesla looks perfect
Nice explanation of how and where corrosion typically begins on a car. I love the presentation and details. I wonder how much more it would cost manufacturers to design for corrosion prevention. If it added $500-1,000 to a vehicle's cost, wouldn't that be worth it?
Thanks for your very nice comment!
As long as it lasts the warranty out, I think they are happy.
But you are right!😊👌
I don't like Teslas and I think they were built with planned obsolescence in mind, but I don't think this is a fair comparison. Alfasuds, while far more enjoyable to drive, were literally biodegradable and started to rust from inside out. You would have seen holes instead of surface rust.
After 6 Swedish winters my 2011 Volvo V70 was looking far worse than this Tesla and now the car is 13 years old, still looking like that. It's all surface rust and will not eat through. Even at 200,000 km I didn't need to change bushings, only the front stabilisers have been changed which are a €25 part and 10 minutes work.
Not looking good in the long term, is it?
You, new to cars?
Is this a joke? That car is 2 years old and looks brand new underneath. Come look at a car that operates in the northern United States after two years. Hell, try this with a Jeep or Ford F150, they come new from the dealer with rusted parts underneath. I'd say this Tesla is doing just fine.
If you actually want to learn about corrosion in automotive applications you need to spend time in the Midwestern US. What you're looking at is absolutely trivial. Not a single person anywhere in the US would bat an eye at this.
Pay attention! Aluminum oxidizes and becomes prone to cracks and inter-granular corrosion, with salt or brine acting like an accelerator. So it's smart to also treat the aluminum parts with the protective wax.
Or just don't buy this car
@@pinecedar180indeed, because the gigapress parts are also allowed to be repaired, leaving quite some cars stranded as economic total losses even after minor accidents.
Cost like porsche but quality like vw?
Actually the prices have been reduced dramatically over the last year. I do reccomend though that it gets rust protected🙂
As a Porsche owner I would say that statement applies to Porsche itself.
so funny people think Tesla is expensive. It's far cheaper than Porsches. Every person with normal salary can afford a Tesla now.
@@HermanWillems What is normal salary?
@@StopTeoriomSpiskowym Median income.
Cmon guys, it looks all good for 2 year old car. The paint scratch is 5 min job to repair. Please compare any other 2 years old car. The insufficient undercoat protection (or lack at all!) Is general problem for all makers these days.
it depends strongly on the number of times the car had contact with salt or brine. After a cold winter with lots of snow an salty roads, corrosion sets in quite rapidly, even on non coated aluminum parts.
I have a 2008 and a 2011 BMW X3, both with about 250,000 km on the clock All these kilometres on middle Swedish salty winter roads. There isn't very much rust underneath the car either. At least the body will last for another 15 years!
Looks better than my gas car in that environment.
Thats not rust, had a 2014 Subaru Outback, brand new the first day I had it there was 10x the rust of my 2 year old Model Y. Buy year 7 the Subaru Rust Back was a rusting nightmare underneath. In Canada we use tons of salt, everything rusts.
Good video, thanks!
Thanks for you greeting🙂
These are the small things that established carmakers figured out already. But they have a time advantage though.
I agree with you!
enemys of established carmakers are not tired to call teslas lead is unassailable by anyone.
The very obvious, hose out all the nooks and crannys with a hose. Part of washing a car. The rust under the paint will get worse. Clean and paint properly. Finish under there is actually poor. The seam sealer is enough for 2 cars!
2:00 This is what happens when a technology company takes on the mantle of an auto designer/manufacturer without having the requisite decades of experience.
You're 100% wrong.
1) Tesla is not a technology company. Apple is a technology company.
2) No company starts out with "Decades of experience". They can however hire experienced engineers and designers, which Tesla has done.
3) No car company can build a car that doesn't have at least a few design flaws, no matter the amount of experience they have. Doing so means building something that is perfect, which I think everyone will agree is not possible.
4) Dirt/Debris stuck in fender liners is a common problem for all cars.
If you are this anal about practically zero corrosion you should apply fluid film to the under carriage
I'm a Bolt euv owner in Canada, and I've not yet seen a rusty Bolt; I'm honestly shocked at the good build quality of mine.
When the battery catches on fire, it will all burn just as well rusted or non-rusted.
When? There’s more chance of an ICE vehicle catching fire than an EV.
@@stevetodd7383 You keep telling yourself that. :P:
@@starpawsy keep up with the delusions on your behalf. If EVs were more of a fire risk than ICE then it would show up in terms of insurance premiums. Companies run fleets of these things, they might have noticed also. The only vehicles I’ve ever seen on fire were regular ICE types. I’m not saying they don’t catch fire at all, or that some models aren’t more prone than others, but that it’s less likely than in conventional vehicles as (1) there are less moving parts to break and (2) no tank full of inflammable liquid to ignite.
@@stevetodd7383 Keep ignoring what a horror is a thermal runaway fire and the incredibly toxic cobalt fumes that it emits.
@@starpawsy a fuel tank also burns well, rusted or non rusted. Your point is?
Thermal runaway is only a problem for NMC type cells, not for example with LiFePO4 types, and it is only a problem if the safety systems put in place to prevent it have failed. Just because something can burn doesn’t mean it is guaranteed to happen.
How do you like Frigus EV tyre? It is very rare and not very well known outside Nordic
I do not know that brand.
@@autofokusDanmark It is literally mounted on the car in your video :D
Cars should not have pockets & gaps in seams exposed to possible water ingress or designed allowing collection of silt & grit that will accumulate.I crawl around the underside of my now 10 year old Forester once every year & seems very clean but there is likely no concern for me as salted roads are unknown with the dry climate.
Mega fedt! Super video!!
Mange mange tak, Rasmus☺️
Most of that is surface rust, of no importance whatsoever and that your would see in any car, even more if drove in winter up north were there’s salt on roads, or in cars that live near costal cities. I’m not a Tesla fan but this is minor.
The model 3 didn't look that great.
Får din søster sprøjtet den til ? Selvom Tesla fraråder det ?
En Tesla må gerne undervognsbehandles, dog må der ikke bores huller i karosseriet.
@@autofokusDanmark det er ikke det indtryk man får jvf deres garanti. Men dvs hun får den behandlet ? Hvis ja, ved du hvad det ligger i ?
Det er også problemet, at Tesla-ejerne er i tvivl om det. Vi bruger SUVO i Aalborg SV. Hvis du booker der, så indtast autofokus i rabatkoden, så får du 15% rabat
@@SilverLine84
Tilføj gerne et screenshot af svar fra tesla af hvor de skriver at garanti m.m. IKKE bortfalder når du får den behandler.
Jeg har nemlig set screenshot fra tesla hvor de SKRIVER at garantien osv bortfalder.
@@Juuythljgrrdwq jeg tror faktisk snart, at der kommer en officiel udmelding.
How can you compare them to the Alfasud? The Alfasud was a great car to drive with excellent handling and many groundbreaking features. The Tesla is nothing like it.
The Alfasud had a wonderful engine and was a nice car but it was the worst car of that era with respect to corrosion, the literally rusted away.
@@stevehale4712That was because Fiat bought cheap steel from the CCCP
@@thetruth7633I think it was more about lack of corrosion protection and design issues that left dirt/water traps. In Italy it was fine, put in the U.K. or N Europe where we throw salt onto our roads and it’s all set to corrode. I remember some of my early cars, 8-9 year old Ford Cortina and Austin Mini and 1100, completely rotted away. Even by mid 1990’s my Saab 900T had holes on the door at only 7 years old. Unthinkable with modern cars.
@@steve251157My father owned many Alfa's from that era, he always said "Alfa is a nice weather car, not for rainy climates" . CCCP bought the rights for some Fiat models in exchange for steel.
@@stevehale4712 I agree that they did rust badly, but then so did most cars of the 70's. the technology wasn't there, either in body design or corrosion protection. The Lancia beta was worse than the alfasud, they literally were rusty as they left the dealers forecourt.
I have a VW that I bought as a commuter car 7 years ago (sweden), and I have never taken care of it lol. Its got 280000km on the odometer now, and the only rust that is, is a little around the fuelcap (common on these, cause the car did not have any wheelarches inside..). I maybe wash it, twice a year... On the vehicle inspeciton, he told me my car looked really good on the chassie and body except for that fuelcap. lol :) Meanwhile my Audi that I tried to take care of started to rust. so not sure if its something bad in cleaning for the car, and its better to leave it dirty for longer periods, or if its just luck that my VW do not have rust..
Thanks for your story, just shows that not all vehicles are made equal😇.
Take care.
/Simon😊
Ni borde också kolla en 4-5 år gammal bil..
They know the battery is going to send this thing to the yard long before it rusts out. No factory undercoating in the wheel wells on a car that expensive? come on! Rusty suspension components can be replaced, sheet metal corrosion is the only thing that really matters.
Why would the battery be the cause of scraping? Current Tesla NCA batteries are better than those seen years ago, however, even those have boasted a 88% average battery retention after 200k miles (300k km). Current NCA batteries, which are found in longer range higher end products do better than that. Even better, the standard range version of cars are usually equipped with LFP. LFP has a significantly better longevity.
Battery issues occur, and lemons happen, and thats why there is a great warranty on them.
By the way, you usually repair/replace battery cell segments rather than the whole battery for obvious reasons.
@@sebastianorye2702 but repairing a battery voids all warranty if you leave it some random repairshop, and if something happens, no insurance will cover you. And if you leave it to Tesla to repair outside of warranty, it will be expensive, cause its a lot of work, so the question is if its worth it then. I saw a video from a chinese repairshop and they were angry at BYDs new batterys cause they are really impossible to repair, (the blade battery)
@@AndrewTSq if the car still has warranty, why would you pay to have a third party repair shop do the job when tesla does it for free?
@@sebastianorye2702exactly. There’s already a lot of data on the longevity of Tesla batteries and drive trains, and it’s better, WAY better, than any ICE driven car on the market.
@@kaasmeester5903 Absolutely
Mental note - don’t live in countries with snow and salted roads!
GOOD POINT!!! :)
The Alfasud rust started from inside the steel panels which is unusual - also at each end of the cills where welding had burnt through the surface protection.. Glad to see you covering this issue, disappointed by your findings. I am used to buying used but premium makes such as BMW, Volvo etc and they really sorted rustproofing out from about 2005. I had a Porsche 924s made in 1985 and there was no rust due to the use of galvanised steel. This same risk has stopped me even considering Chinese brands for at least the next 10 years and I can only hope that e.g. German brands made in China are constructed to the same standards (BMW). This has not always been the case, I am thinking of the VW Fox which I think was made in Brazil and Argentina but not to German standards. In the end I bought a Renault Zoe since I haven't seen a rusty Renault for a while - here's hoping.
Yes I had an Alfasud back in the 70s. When it was 3 1/2 years old, the front cross member broke loose from the chassis rails.
When I investigated, I found that the rails had been filled with polyurethane foam which absorbed water.
Very sadly I had to scrap it - it was by far the most fun car I've ever had.
Good thinking!
Which rusts faster an Alfa Sud or a Lancia ? .
The fear of rust is the main reason why I don‘t want to buy a Model 3 or Y. Both models are made of steal with some parts of aluminium. My first choise is the Model X, because it‘s made of aluminium, a very big SUV and it has falcon wing doors. As a 5 seat version it‘s the perfect car to go camping or on very long roadtrips.
Har du lige lavet et facebook opslag om det her ? Synes jeg læste noget, men kan ikke finde det igen 😅
Hejsa. Ja, den er delt på Tesla Model Y owners club Danmark😀
@@autofokusDanmark OK 😊 Jeg læste egentlig dit facebook opslag som “man skal ikke undervognsbehandle”, men nu jeg ser videoen tænker jeg egentlig det er en god idé at undervognsbehandle.
@@tafl-9198 så har du misforstået det😂. Endelig undervognsbehandle, alle biler ruster, dog nogle mere end andre.
@@autofokusDanmark det er modtaget 😊👍
This might be a problem for second hand cars driven in wet/cold environments. I womder if they improved this in later models.
I don’t know😊
Poor rust protection is standard practice for the model 3 and Y.
Tesla is still relatively new. They take on feedback quite well, possibly better than any other auto manufacturer. These rust causing conditions don’t affect the majority of their market, but I do hope the cars are improved rapidly.
Too much salt?
Thank you.
So what you’re saying is that car was near on perfect underneath 😂
Looks great.
Yes it does, but good thing it was rust protected.
Can you do a comparison video with, say, VW Golf, of the same age and mileage from the same area so that we can reach a conclusion as to whether or not you are showing is an issue or not? Where is all the sand coming from, is the car being run along roads right next to the sea? Is your purpose to do a hit-job on Tesla? It looks like it because you provide no context about the mileage and the area in which the car is used.
He says he's in Denmark and like most countries that have winter a lot of road salt is used throughout winter along with toad grit. The salt also has a tendency to loosen up dirt in the road surface. The roads can also be wet for weeks on end and that's how you get grime build up like that. Now, legacy car manufacturers are well aware of this and usually design their cars to have as few grime (rust) traps as possible, but they also fuck up sometimes.
The car is not two years old yet. The other car manufactures have been through this leaning regarding rust many years ago, the hard way! I do believe thay have protecols to follow when designing the chassis, so rust is being prevented through a good design. However, no matter how good the design is, rust protection is still nessesary in my opinion.
Regarding Tesla, I think they will be facing some angry costumers the next couple of years, when they discover rust is starting to grow, on the relativily new car.
/Simon
Because this is what has been trapped between the plastic liners and the metal body thr material is the scale of what can actually get in, dust and sand, not gravel and pebbles.
@@autofokusDanmark Thank you
The problems you see here are pretty universal and found on most cars to some degree. Some do better, others do worse.
Most cars these days use steel subframes and suspension arms which are painted with ED-paint; it's cheap, cause low VOC-emissions and is regarded as "good enough". You might be able to find some cars which have hot dip galvanized steel parts or some high end vehicles with aluminum components but that is generally not the norm. With salt on the roads you will soon see signs of rust on these components and in 10+ years a suspension arm or link might need replacement due to rust.
Sand, dirt and water will find its way underneath the plastic shields used in the wheel wells and under the car. Usually these are designed so that larger quantities of water can be drained to the ground and with some distance to the sheet metal body so that dirt between the shield and the body doesn't damage the paint. In the end though, you usually suffer from some paint damage somewhere which will cause rust. Wet dirt also creates very good conditions for rust.
Unfortunately, modern cars usually don't have a PVC underbody coating in the wheel wells underneath the plastic liners. Infact, they usually lack even a paint clearcoat and often also the base color coat. Instead the corrosion protection depends on galvanized steel (galvanized at the steel mill), phosphating (makes paint stick to the galvanized steel) and a layer of ED-paint (the whole body is dipped in this paint with an electric charge added to the body). This paint is very good at filling all the voids, but it is thin and can be damaged by stone chips. Fortunately galvanized steel have some self healing properties.
I guess it's Toby's from "The Office" Tesla? It's not so bad Toby, not hot, not cold, just lukewarm 😁
Where is rust protection layer?
There's no
Not much at all
Keep in mind that statistically ICE vehicles have 60x more fires than equivalent number of EVs.
EV fires are generally impossible to extinguish.
Weird, in every case they where extinguished quickly. I think you are mixing up a guarding for reignition with an an active burning fire.
My only car is an EV. I love it, and I am unlikely to ever own another ICE vehicle... so I am not rushing to defend ICE vehicles.
However, I am curious where your "60x" claim came from? The other thing to keep in mind is that there are almost NO EV's that are more than fourteen years old; there are a huge number of older ICE vehicles, which must increase their risk of fires.
And I'm sure I can find statistics that claim the opposite. 🥱
Claims like these are meaningless when you ignore methodology, data quality, sample size. It's just a way to sound credible without being so.
I just told my wife the other day that Fords come prerusted. I still think Chrysler products are the worst for rust.
Haha. I had an alfasud that didn’t rust, but the mechanical side was awful, it was always breaking down, unreliable, but, didn’t rust. Weird?
4:04 ah, yes the quality powerhouse signature Made in China
it's the same for Tesla made in Berlin and in the US, Tesla is notorious for skimping on any rust protection whatsoever, even the most basic ones like sealing the borders of the stamped steel parts.
Where's your phone made?
Yep , Teslas were and are a poorly built car where all the money has gone into the electronics and nothing into the body .
You only have to look how cheap the interior is and how the body panels fit to see that .
Regardless of salt on the road or not no car should start rotting like this after only 2 years .
My car is a 20 year old pickup truck and it has less rust than the 4 year old Tesla shown .
Is this Danglish ? ? 🤔🤔🤔😅
These cars are not made to last much more than 5 years anyway..
I'm reliably informed by Tesla that the battery will outlast the car and this video is confirmation!
How’s that? Have you ever looked at the underside of any other manufacturers? This looks great at 4 years!!
Guys, any car have some rust on those components even brand new ones from any manufacturer, this is nothing to be worried about, most of the parts are replaceable especial tie rods and push rods, the rest can be sealed from day one when you receive a car and you will have no rust for ever and this is applicable to any car, so don’t over value those little findings.
@@colinmacdonald5732well, the not so insignificant amount of batteries that need replacement after 4/5/6 years tell another story.
@@DBGE001Teslas battery warranty is 8 years and mileage is from 100k-150k depending of model.
If you only do dc/fast charging you might need battery change around 150-200k miles. But if you charge mostly at home with ac charging battery should last double that.
Model Y was best selling car of anykind in 2023. It would not have been if it was so bad as you think it is.
But the alfa sud was a great drive unlike this milk float.
I think I drove one as a kid, very cool car😅
The Alfa sprint drove even better and I don't like front wheel drive but they were the best fwd going and still are.
@@david-hf3dk that one my neighbour had. Great car and wonderful design.
Until it falls apart in 3 months
My dad had an Alfasud. Oh, it drove well, but it rusted like hell, and it was unreliable.
Old italien cars👍😂😂
Alfasuds were often scrap at 5 to 6 yrs rust would be terminal
Indeed they were, but they drove great while they lasted😂
@@autofokusDanmark the did indeed
Don't expect Californian tech bros to know how to design a car for winter conditions.
No.. but the problem is, that the costumers are paying the price for their learing curve :(
The people that run Tesla's corrosion program are directly from Detroit. People think Tesla hired brand new inexperienced people, that's not the case at all.
@@autofokusDanmarkTo be honest Europeans seem to have an addiction to buying unreliable vehicles so I wouldn't single out Teslas. It's normal to go 500k km with nothing but scheduled maintenance with vehicles Europeans tend to not buy (like a Corolla) but a European friend will claim his VW Golf is perfectly reliable while telling me about all the things he had to get fixed. 😂
I cant belive this is a condition of a 2022 car 😢
In Denmark we spray a lot of salt during the entire winter, so very agressive environment
Am I going crazy or is this essentially perfect? At this rate it literally could run for another half century
Agree, it looks fine… however, without some rust protection I would be sad if it was my car. Five more years and it would not look good.
Where there is snow equals salted roads and any vehicle will rust and in Australia there is little snow and good quality vehicles don't rust my 27 year old Toyota Hilux has some surface rust but passes its yearly rego check that is for cars over 5 years cars but vehicles used to rust l am wondering if Tesla's will rust in 5 years when in N.S.W Australia when they have there first rego check that sort of structural rust would be a fail and there so your Tesla would be virtually a write off because the cost of rust repairs would be more than the Tesla is worth in five years time and we all know how EVs depreciate
There are some examples of lessons, learned long ago, being forgotten.
Yap Tesla is the new Alfasud!!
So its not an issue really
Rust?
What's that we are in California?
Obviously you shouldn't be driving a Tesla in winter when there's salt on the road! Or anywhere with sea spray! So.... stay away from the coast and keep the dang thing in the garage November to April. Fixed it for yah!
I live in Sweden (next to denmark) and here they spray the roads with salt for like 4-5 months a year, so its hard to not get salt on the car. I guess Denmark is a bit more warm in winters, so they might not do that?
I wish you had also showed some of those areas after the wash was complete. At 2:35 you show a build up of sand, and suggest water can enter the car there because it is spot-welded. You do not remove the sand to show us whether there is missing sealant. Spot-welds in areas like that have sealant applied before the weld is done.
Overall, I think your video is biased, and ovestates how bad the condition of this car is.
Try using a gimbal next time. The shaking is unwatchable.
Shocker , who would have guessed ?
That little bit of "rust" is of ZERO consequence. I would worry more about suspension control arm failures of those cast aluminum parts and showing up on various Tesla models. Additionally, early battery failures are also becoming a big as well as costly concern. Then there are those expensive special tire failures.
How are early battery failures a "costly" problem?
They are pretty much all still under warranty, maybe a few with very high miles on them aren't but otherwise, it is warranty.
Also what tire failures?
All that is known till this day are the suspension control arms and underused braking rotors.
@@Ismalith You had best do your homework instead of being a cheer leader
@@jdwht2455
So basically all your previous comment was just nonsense from a sad gas head?
Typical mistakes that regular car makers made 20 years back....
Pretty sure most manufacturers are still making the same mistakes today. It would be nice if all underbodies were designed to prevent corrosion. Seems like it would be a good selling point.
I didn't know that it was legal in Denmark to have a car.
Ignorance is bliss…
What? Why wouldn’t it be?
All cars rust. Invest in an undercoating and make sure weep holes don’t get plugged up. Better yet, drive over a newly tarred road a few times and clear out weep holes afterwards.
Rust?………..1971 Mach1……….no rust……corraled in southern Nv.
Well, european manufacturers solved this problerm 30 years ago.
Better quality paint on suspension components would solve. Environmental concerns have eliminated best paints soon grape juice will be used as paint.
Den ser da rigtig god ud ? ikke meget at komme efter.
Hvis man har bilen i fx 4-5 år så er der ingen grund til at behandle den. Beholder du den i 8 år.. så ja måske. Men den ser rigtig pæn ud !
Grunden til du anbefaler behandlinger jo også at du lever af det. Det vil jo være dumt at sige at man ikke behøver behandle den når du jo lever af det 👍
Hvor meget har den kørt ? 40000-50000km ? 😂
Ha ha, nej du, jeg er ingeniør hos Siemens. Jeg ville bare vise rigets tilstand.
@@autofokusDanmark fair nok. Der skulle ikke ha stået du men de. Men du går jo alligevel rundt på værkstedet med deres lampe osv og kommentere på tingene som du har forstand på det ?? Eller er blevet instrueret i det.
Og så tilbyder du også en rabatkode ? Så en eller anden form for “samarbejde” har du jo med dem.
Så igen.. det er klart du vil anbefale det når nu du har det her samarbejde med dem.
Prøv kør bilen til fdm og få deres vurdering.
Hvor langt har din søsters bil kørt ?
Ved ikke lige helt hvor mit svar er blever af… måske slettet.
Nå men skal se om jeg kan huske det hele jeg skrev.
Men du har ret der skulle ikke stå du men de. Men du må jo ha en eller anden form for samarbejde med dem da du jo går rundt på deres værksted med deres lampe osv og kommentere på tingene som du har forstand på det eller er blevet instrueret i det.
Plus du tilbyder jo også en rabatkode så en eller anden form for samarbejde tænker jeg du har med dem.
Derfor du også anbefaler at få den behandlet jo.
Prøv kør den til fdm og hør hvad de siger til den ?
Og hvor langt har din søsters bil kørt ?
You compared it with the Alfa Sud and then in the video it’s not that dramatic.
That’s bad😂😂. Come over to the New England Rust belt. That’s better than most new cars here!
Watch out Elon will maybe sue if he's having a bad day (or maybe even a good day)🤣
Rust prevention center? We are too stupid here in Massachusetts to have one. I would 500 bucks a year to have my vehicle put on a lift for a deep clean and protected.
“Hello Rusty Jones, goodbye rusty cars….!” How did that work out? The so-called protection clogged drainage holes, trapped water in bad places and generally made it worse, and this sort of product stopped being bought. I’m from MA and was there for the “make it worse, faster” rust show.
No underbody coatings! Imagine what under body corrosion will happen on roads that are sprayed with salt!!!
Many are rust buckets. We sold ours low quality
So no real rust issues…….
Some of those potential rust traps just reveal Teslas lack of experience building cars. But the battery will give out long before the rust takes hold.
The build quality on Tesla is in general low.
People are just blind and Tesla owners think its the best car in the world.
I still laugh when a model 3 drivers by creaking from the front suspension😂 its a rather expencive car but omg 😂
Yes, our friends have a Tesla 3. The front end creaks when they reverse out of our driveway. What is that noise? It’s not a worn out CV sound, it’s something I can’t identify.
@@PropanePete Dried grease in balljoint. Easy to fix.
Is it really that expensive? I could have had a Model 3 for less money than my Kia Niro EV. I bought the Niro because there are two dealerships, with service near me, while the nearest Tesla dealer is four hours drive away.
BTW; the fit and finish on the Kia is flawless!
@@alarjak The upper & lower ball joints are sealed units, can't be greased and I think they're possibly integral with the hub assembly. The car has only done 12000 km (7400 miles) and at the moment it's an 800 km round trip to the nearest Tesla facility while an authorised service setup is being established in our town. I'm a former mechanic and I offered to put the car up on my mates hoist just for a good look but they're worried about voiding the warranty. The car has otherwise had no other issues so far. I'm stunned at the irregular door gaps on such an expensive car but I've not mentioned it to our friends.
@@PropanePete I used injection through rubber boot, common problem, Tesla has same suspension parts what Daimler use.
You speak English very well!
Who funds this channel ?
Good question. I bet the oil and ice pushers were pretty happy with this amateur hour of five minutes. The thumb alone: is Tesla Alfasud? No, Tesla is a company in 2024 and alfasud is a small car from 1971. You could just as well ask if this channel was the pope.
Maybe read the description? This is observations, at a rust prevention center, in Denmark. In Norway, there are companies, making aftermarket underneath body panels, because the Tesla's are overall very badly protected against underbody rust. The paint, is so thin some places, that it's nearly non-existent. th-cam.com/video/oy9SqT3CYgI/w-d-xo.html
@@IncoG8Be careful, here come the lunatics from the Tesla religious congregation.
How about nobody lol. Not the only video about bad manufacturing on germany
Can you show me where it hurts?
In the 70ies every car rusted away in a year or two. Rust in the middle of the hood on an Audi on delivery, Fiat rusting on the roof. Citroens, Peugeots and Renaults dead after 3 years. Mercedes made allmost 10 years. Why is rust a topic again?
Leaning because profit
@@thetruth7633Yeah german buddy told me audi takes section cuts of their cars to determine the thinnest possible (2-3 year) rust proofing cover lmao.
@@N4CR In Germany public services like fire departments etc. usually buy cars, trucks to have a life span of 25 years or more. They get a Dinitrol treatment. Horrible stuff to work under the car when covered in that crap but it works very well.
@@N4CR I thought Audi's were galvanised?
⚠️Like most cars today.
Short life and disposable
It will be interesting to see how the Aluminium cast parts on a steel shell fare.
I had a Tesla 3 and it was horrible. The build quality is horrendous, with mis-aligned body panels, Also, its very efficient, but at cost. I found it increasingly difficult to get in and out, it is very low to the ground,. It is certainly a young guys car.
You're just getting old, haven't maintained your physical fitness and don't want to admit it. The entrance ergonomics into a Model 3 are identical to every other sedan on the market. If you wanted an SUV or a crossover that's what you should have purchased.
A number of those issues can be attributed to bad engineering and poor design. As much effort needs to be put into the design of the "mundane parts" as it is for the user interface and software. A sotware update will never be able to compensate for poor engineering and design. Pretty poor coming from a manufacturer that has a person that claims to know more about manufacturing than anyone else alive !!!!