Why EVERY NBA Team Runs 5-Out Offense
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What we really need in this league is two big men in the post and crowded 15 ft midrange missed two-point set shots smh
Post ups for big men who have no post game >>>
The cavs ran something like that but their bigs are not post players
I remember watching highlights of the 2004 NBA Finals and seeing Slava Medvedenko taking catch and shoot 18ft 2-point jumpers.
I wanted to kill myself.
@@JeyDub08 Ah, the "Get Kendrick Perkins Engaged" play that Doc Rivers ran at the start of every game.
thats ineffective nowadays
I like the way the game has changed. An older coach was lamenting the decline of the post game. I said, "well coach, not all of us are blessed to have two 6'8" post players every year. The modern style is a lot more translatable to the typical team at lower levels. Much easier to develop guards instead of being lucky enough to get those big tall players year in and year out.
plus its an easier system. Thou I would prefer a blend, i think the spurs offense dynasty was that perfect blend I'm talking about. Its not postionless, its kinda five out and there is good spacing but its optimal spacing and they still played smart basketball.
Its really the illegal defence rule that made post play so effective. Helping from the weakside was not allowed
@@maartenvz yes and now its better. The post would often stagnate the offense
@@maartenvz Excellent point!
This is so facts too many coaches are too ignorant to change to modern basketball because old school is what worked for them back in 2005😂😂 then they go ruin a kid career by having him be a post player at 6'3-5 because he tall, he develop no guard skills, and leaves highschool not being able to offer shit for nobody😂 seen it happen way to much
The type of content where if the majority of the fanbase watched. 70% of the hot takes would end. So many possessions end in 5 out. Understanding this definitely made me understand modern nba offense as a bucks fan
it also would defeat a lot of the complaints of "no one plays defense.' Today's game teams still play defense, the rule and the way rules are enforce definitely makes it a lot harder, but the offensive intricacies of today's games makes it hard as well, plus today's game is less one on one defense and more of team defense has to constantly be on top of their game all of the time. The number of rotations, and space players have to cover is something past generations didn't have to do but it's rarely these guys aren't playing defense, it's just defense is different as offenses are different. Like you said, content like this explores that and helps illuminates what is actually going on.
@@jamesmarshall6619well said! Its really great to see team defences operate. On the other hand i feel the offensive players get away with too much contact on drives which makes it very tough to properly defend drives to the basket. I find it hard to enjoy guys like Zion or giannis barreling into their defender and getting the call
@@maartenvz I agree. I like the physical play but at the same time it's only one way, offensive players can simply bulldoze over defensive players while defensive players get called for a foul if they stand their ground physically. It's why that even though I don't really like flopping, I completely understand it because as Raja Bell once put it if he bumped Kobe back when Kobe put his should into him, Bell would get a foul called so he would flop in the hopes of getting a call on him because there isn't much else Bell can do.
@@jamesmarshall6619But that's kind of the problem isn't it? It doesn't make this style of play better, it just shows that the rules heavily favor offenses and that defenses have to get creative. Even still, defenses still get called for bullshit fouls while we hype up overrated offenses who put up loads of points and act like today's NBA is so much better.
I love how you always give credit to coaches who innovate things. This is the first time I've heard Mike Budenholzer credited with so much of what today's NBA offense looks like (I admittedly do not watch many videos like this so maybe it's a more popular school of thought than I'm familiar with).
This kinda proves most NBA fan bases are clueless.
excellent analysis and breakdown
Fantastic breakdown! Very informative. I started watching the nba in the 90s and understand the nostalgia some people my age and older have but the evolution of the offense (and the ditching of illegal defence!) have changed the game so much in a positive way. There is so much more going on that its sometimes hard to process how intelligent everything has gotten. These videos really help to highlight those depths
A post up team will always beat a 3 point team.
@@JimBrave-ri1oci dont understand this statement. How does a post up team win if the defence keeps overloading the strong side/doubling the post? Post up teams have a far better chance with the illegal defence rule, but thats a thing of the past
@JimBrave-ri1oc you know GSW won like 4 titles in the past decade right
@@frenzynevermore Warriors are a Post up team with 2 Great Three Point shooters. Big difference with a 5 out team like Orlando Magic.
@@frenzynevermoreThat's one. Who else ya got? That's kind of the point. That worked for GSW.......it hasn't worked for many other teams. They are the exception, not the rule.
Great video. Really helped me understand what I'm watching and how teams get creative adding their own touch to these actions.
Solid content
I want to see an NBA team march down the court in a military V formation. Have one of the middle flank guys control the ball and the other 4 form a 360 degree barrier. Ive never seen it tried but if it's good enough for the Marines it should be good enough for the NBA
That’s actually a fair point. It would be ugly, but affective!
I like the term turn action. I have heard it being call twist aswell but since that is an different action aswell, I from now on will also call it "turning screen", turn or turn action
This is great content
Great Video!
Just another example of how little fans understand about sports at the professional level
shows you how advanced the game is nowadays compared to the 90's. Players back then could have learnt these systems and plays but no necessarily have the skills to run them the way they do now. Back then it was about specialisation to certain areas (shooting, rebounding, post play, defense). Nowadays as a player you gotta have a little of everything or being S tier in a few areas.
FACTS
Shit sucks, bring real basketball back
@@jeffereyfapenstein4796 like the 80s pistons that at any moment could have 4 players on the paint? You think that was good basketball? Even the lakers when they weren't running fast breaks was awful to watch. Kareem and worthy bailed them out on offense, magic hot sagged off hard and didnt shoot a single long shot. Lakers x celtics is awful when both pgs are trying to feed the post from inside the 3, but both magic and dj just let each other shoot because they were both terrible shooters
@@eduardobranco8349no magic shot the ball he just didnt find it necessary to shoot a 3 in transition id say people are less skilled now cause players can only shoot 3s and layups and thats it they have no post up game no iq bigs have no idea how to box out thats why European players are dominant theyre fundamental im ok with it changing but basketball has definitely gotten lazy and the problem is not everyone can shoot the ball and not everyone should be shooting the ball a 7 foot center shouldn't be shooting a 3 every chance he gets jokic is the best balance in my opinion
My guy, if players in the 90s grew up playing like how the players now do, they would be the same. Sports evolve, the players just follow
What you called “Chicago” is what i call zoom lol. Great vid though mate
I am a fan of 3&D bigs like Brook Lopez. Centers who can rim protect + stretch the floor to bring the opposing Center out of the paint so that it’s easier for his team to attack the basket.
That’s why the Bucks are such a completed team. To have Giannis attacking without a Big to defend him because the opposing big is glued to Brook Lopez who’s shooting at a high Percentage from three. AND with both Giannis and Brook as your front court , you’re bound for elite level rim protection💯💯💯
As a Clippers Fan , if I could have 2 players on our team to replace those we have at that position. I’d want Lonzo Ball as our point Guard. He’s a 6’6 lockdown point Guard who can rebound , pass at an elite level , get Blocks , stretch the floor and let his team play without the ball in his hands , Great 3 point catch and shooter who can make plays and create shots. Perfect fit for our Defense along side Paul George and Kawhi. And he’s a perfect point guard on the offensive end as well.
And I’d like to have a Brook Lopez , Or Steven Adams. Brook for obvious reasons. But make no mistake. You don’t have to be a five out team to win a ring. Steven Adams is a Great Center. Let’s Go Clippers ☺️
I’m pretty sure panathanikos in the euro league was one of the first teams to play 5 out
The Return.
dpoys from the 80s and 90s would be lost in today's NBA. Way harder to defend.
“Smaller and smaller” is somewhat of an oversimplification. Yes, in totality, teams are getting smaller. But specifically, teams are targeting versatile players that can defend multiple positions and score in multiple areas. So while traditional SF, PFs, and Cs tend to get “smaller” to allow more spacing and allow them to switch and defend the perimeter-the average size of point guards and shooting is actually getting bigger! 6’4-6-7 guards are becoming much more popular in the league. While 6’5-6’7 forwards are also becoming more popular.
Euroleague Play Style > NBA Play Style
Harden, Paul George, Powell, Leonard, Tucker 🙏
Long live the post game
For everyone saying Gilbert got "exposed " really need to watch this because you will see what he meant yes he hilarious and don't care how he comes off but this video supports his claim
what did he say
Spacing
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Handball is looking more and more like basketball these days 🤣
Handball is more fun. Watching people jack 3s from far all game is corny.
@@kennyhudson9201 let's not get carried away here; handball is cancer as a sport, that's why we don't want basketball to look like it, but I gotcha🤣
@@j.s.t.6515 LOL. True. I just don't like 3 jacking even if it makes mathematical sense. It's a corny game without the driving and pullups and dunks. Basketball was ruined by Steph Curry.
@kennyhudson9201 as opposed to watching bench players brick 15ft middies and slow footed big men with no post up game posting up?
Now take away the three point line
This is the worst period in nba history. However a few teams are using big men more effectively in the post. But every offense plays the same, blitzing the paint then back to the perimeter. There is ZERO defense anymore, hence each game is a combined 240 pts. I loved how GSW used to play but they have ruined this sport.
i feel like if golden state warriors fail to win it all this year, the nba will change a lot.
Past their prime. Nobody outside of California expects them to win a championship this year.
Too short.
Is this why team usa gets kicked by European teams, having no post bigs, who also crush the glass a lot more.
This new basketball is bullshit
Yes, the boards! That's what this 5-out game plan is neglecting. Duncan's Spurs were the best game style, GSW just assembled a freakish crop of long range shooters that nobody else will ever compete with.
pardon me but i think the duncan spurs were still considered 5 out, however their version of the 5 out has optimal spacing and players would be more into the long two mid ranges rather than beyond the three point line. @@ucheopara6309
NBA was down for a few years (Duncan, Nowitzki, Kawhi injury, Parker, Kobe, Gasol, Garnett, and many others all retiring) and the league really did loosen the rims a lot for shooters those years but they saw the ratings fall so they tightened them back to near 90's specifications. Curry on these new rims and 90's rims will only shoot 37%. @@ucheopara6309 While a POST UP player will shoot 60% and get 500 FT's per season at 80%.
We didn’t get kicked last olypics. Every time we play our 15 best players or close to so. We win dominantly
"Promosm"
There is absolutely no spacing of offense if everyone is far from the hoop. To have true spacing for rebounds or plays you have to have 2 players near the rim. Cause there is a lot of space there. You have to fill that space for REBOUNDS! and too keep the opponents honest. Teams can just sit on the three point line and guard the three point line and not the inside and beat a low percentage long shot team.
so how can we have a 5 out offense with 2 players near the rim
why do you want a 5 out with no one by the rim to post up or rebound. @@jmgonzales7701
Thats a whole lot of words for saying nothing.
If teams defend by "sitting at the three point line", the lane is wild open for a drive and dunk.
So why don't they?
cause you're dumb@@oMaJoJ
All you need is one BIG DUDE with elite post moves and this 5out will disappear, it drives me crazy
Not quite but sure thing chief
How will it disappear? 5 out is an offensive concept spacing the defense out. A BIG DUDE will still have to play defense against 5 out offense. Even if a player is big and great at post, he will still get abused on defense if he isn't mobile enough. And now with teams shooting more 3s than ever, being a big dude that can post is only get you so far.
Nikola Jokic is that BIG DUDE with elite post moves, whose team runs a lot 5 out offense as well. You don't win with only post-ups and poor spacing in today's league. The more balanced offense will excel.
I think we already have that with Jokic. It’s just that Jokic also has an insane passing ability that benefits with that king of offense too.
I hate it, and it’s super boring to watch
Might be why it's becoming trash no offense. Lol Go back to set plays and that will expose skill-sets.
Every team except the Clippers. That's why we suck
the change of 5 small is becoz it is legal to TRAVEL.
u only need one dribble to go into the paint, so defender has to crouch down to defence. that makes 3pt a viable and efficient option.
on the other hand if u hava a slow lopez in the paint. lopez has option to go in or out.
everything has changed due to the rules.
NBA should change their name to travel ball
This is often not talk about. NBA rules are very different from standard basketball rules. This is also not help when players can move 5 steps with the ball up.
this is exactly why people like me respect bball of the past more. I've been coaching for the past 12 yrs and apply 5 out also, much easier to score than in the past. absolutely no spacing back then and 2 bigs in the paint ALWAYS.
Lebron isnt the only one scoring at a higher clip as he gets older. steph, KD etc are looking like they're in another prime. not necessarily because they're getting better or beating father time. the game is just easier to play now and add they are literally MEN PLAYING AMONGST BOYS, the league is incredibly young, so that means their IQ is light yrs ahead of theirs. KD and Bron were running off pindown screens and dealing with a clogged 15ft area just 15 yrs ago, totally different. its a free flowing offensive game now similar to pickup. it really gets sad when we have foreign guys like Luka, Giannis, Joker etc saying the NBA is much easier to score in than the euroleague, then american guys going overseas and saying thats more so the "real" bball they remember and grew up on smh.
You'll have no inside defense or rebounding on offense or defense. Also you will have no passing. also it's soft way to play with no physicality.
It's boring af. Pop-a-Shot Basketball. The NBA has never been closer to a shooting practice drill. Most possessions most players don't even cross the 3pt line and park themselves at a spot just watching. Playmakers pass to a spot and get upset if a player isn't there, passing blame (pun intended).
THIS IS SO 2016. COACHES ARE NOW FINDING OUT ALL 3'S DOESN'T WORK AT ALL, IT NEVER WORKED. TEAMS ARE ALL GOING TO THE POST UPS ON BOTH SIDES NOW AND RUNNING OFFENSE THROUGH THE POST WITH BACK CUTS OFF THAT. CAUSE IT ADDS A SCREENER IN THE LANE.
steve kerr ruined this sport
The NBA has gotten a little stagnant with this style of play. Every team runs it.
It’s super boring and it FUNdamentally changes basketball in a way that may be efficient, but not entertaining. Analytics ruined the game.
@@jeffereyfapenstein4796 it wasn’t analytics. It was the scouts, the coaches and ultimately the NBA. What makes the NBA a good product is the storylines. The rivalries. There’s exciting plays, but off-season is just as exciting as the season and that says a lot.
well its smart basketball its whats efficient @@jeffereyfapenstein4796
IT'S LESS EFFICIENT. THE NBA ONLY TRIED IT CAUSE THEY THOUGHT IT WOULD HAVE LESS FIGHTS, THEY SUCCEEDED IN THAT. TEAMS SCORE LESS NOW AND SHOOT A LOWER PERCENTAGE NOW. @@jmgonzales7701
Y’all can call it boring but the. Veiwership is better than ever
The problem with the NBA is it’s no diversity in playstyle. People are not running offenses that aren’t conducive to their personnel. I keep hearing suggestions that coaches want players to shoot more threes, smh. That’s Boston’s problem now. I like how Jokic is the only player that uses his size and takes advantage of mismatches. It’s still a place for the big man and low post moves. Everybody doesn’t have to play with pace, do what benefits your team. That’s why we losing internationally this style of play.
There are only 2 Post up players in the NBA today. Jokic and Gordon. They are the ones that easily beat all those bad low percentage shooting teams. Imagine what Prime Robinson and Prime Duncan would do to the NBA today. 82-0 16-0 in the Playoffs every Season.
@@JimBrave-ri1oc ur definitely a casual
you're the casual. Name one jump shooting team that beat a post up team. @@Redemptionist972
JUST ME A MAN AND LEARN TO POST UP AND STOP CRYING ABOUT SPACING. IF EVERYONE IS IN THE CORNER HOW DO THEY HELP OR GET A REBOUND. HOW DO THEY GET BACK ON DEFENSE EITHER. HOW DO THEY WEAR THEIR OPPONENT DOWN.
This only works because the defensive rules
This is why we are losing on the international level
We lost because they only have a few weeks to learn how to play with each other. The other teams have had years plus we ain’t play our best players and their benefiting from guys who learned how to play ball in AMERICA tell me Germany beats us if they didn’t have our nba players like the wagners and dennis
@@justinholland6132 dude... Trying to read what you wrote.. I think you are a low IQ person.. what are you saying about German players?
@@justinholland6132 German people aren't Americans... What are you talking about?
2016 Olympics Gold, 2021 Olympics Gold. Most NBA players don't care about FIBA. Dennis Schroder is FIBA MVP yet struggles to score 10 points in a playoff game. Wonder why
@@cottonmather8146 it's coming buddy... We will lose our top spot if our domestic coaching and game style doesn't change