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- Focal has managed to strike the balance between ANC, sound quality and price!
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www.tech360.tv/focal-bathys-r...
Producer - Cheryl Tan
Camera - Bryan Tan
Video Editor - Diana Hermogenes
To know more about the Bathys
www.focal.com/en/Bathys
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Thanks for a great review!
I think you are spot on describing the features and sound quality.
Personally, I find the low-end performance 'better' through the Focal Bathys - deeper, tighter and more articulate , but more 'fun' and 'inflated' through the B&W Px8 - they are both great-sounding headphones well worth a listen.
Regarding the sound bites, I don't think the 3Dio FS microphone setup is good enough to portray how the headphones actually sound - not even for comparison. Maybe the the more pricier 3Dio Pro II with DPA 4060 lav mics will perform better.
It is possible to 3D print outer ears and ear canals, and add two high quality microphones at a lower price than the 3Dio Pro II. And couple them with a good stereo recorder.
Anyway, I'm just thinking out loud because it's a cool idea to 'record' the sound stage of different headphones and speaker systems (plus room acoustics). You just need high-quality microphones and a generic design of the outer ear that 'works'.
All the best
Frederick
Immersive Sound Tech
excellent review. Please compare Master and Dynamic MW75 with B&W PX8 and Focal Bathys too please
I actually got to try these on and compared to the momentum 4, Sony XM 5 and bowers and Wilkins Px2, the focal sound was so much more enveloping and dynamic. The Sony's also were very good but the DAC mode sold me on the focal's.
Great review, thanks. Wonder what you would think of the Edifier S3 Stax. There is no ANC, but the sound quality IMO one of the best in Bluetooth segment, for a far more reasonable price comparing to Bathys, 5909 or Solitaire T.
Can you use the Bathys with the Ifi IDSD Signature?
From your binaural test presented here, I much prefer the Bathys sound signature. I do find the PX8 quite muffled, if that's the correct word.
By the way, the correct pronunciation in French is [Batys]. Thanks for your review, I think I will get the Bathys.
Hey, I really enjoyed the sound demo... Great comparison. ( it's a shame you didn't find the record of the Maks Levinson)
Hi
Which of them can you recommend for watching movies! I guess both sound really good, so my main question is which one got better Soundstage /surround and which one can play the loudest?
Thanks
The soundstage is better on the Bathys for me! Unfortunately, volume is slightly lower, but not a problem to just bump it up slightly
thanks for the review anotehr amazing viode from you. this headphone is insane for sure.. just i tried before other models my head is big and my ears burning out hot :D so i gave up. but headphones definitely 100 times better than earphone in term of sound quality
Some ppl are saying 5909 is much better
What are the differences ?
Is that headphone loud? I try xm4 xm5 momentum 3 all of them very weak volume for me. Looking loud overear bt headphone
These here are the loudest, believe me, my friend 😮
Thank you my friend.
Thanks as always for the support!
yay finally hahaha, have been waiting for this review XD, first comment
Bathys or H95?
Wow the vocals on Bathys
Focal Bathys sound great, but I find the earcups not very comfortable, that's why I'll to sell them again. I'm not using them anyway in the warmer season.
from the soundtest, i think the Bathys has a little bit more Bass, but the px8 are much clearer, better soundstage, thanks for the video
Thanks for watching!
excellent review as always. I have they Bathys for just that reasons the mids and vocals. I demoed all 3 and chose the Focal. As you clearly state all are great with just differing focus. Not a bad choice in the lot if you want to spend the money.
Thanks Christi, glad you like them!
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Ive listened both and , for me, Bathys is the better headphone . PX 8 is narrow compared to them, and the bite and speed of Focal is already legendary . Though Px8 is much more fashion looking , And this is very important too , for many people .
Breakin is always required for headphones. Takes a little time for them to loosen up...I have the Bathys and Clear MG..both needed breakin period..
this is very depending what are you looking for. I had both of them and after hours of testing decided to keep PX8's over Bathys. This is really subjective and we can not say which are better and which worse. PX8 giving me more "fun" while listening kind of music I like, while Bathys sounds really wide and opened but flat in the same time. So I would say for POP, Dance, Hip-Hop, Electronic, Rock, etc where you need presence of deep bass - PX8 is better, for rest - Bathys.
Agree! Personal taste in sound profile plays a significant role in choosing headphones.
The Bathys may be suited for those who prefer a wide and open soundstage, even if it feels flat to some listeners. While Px8 wins for ANC or comfort.
So which one is better for Rock (like Guns N Roses) & Metal (Metallica) and Techno music?
Bose QC Ultra is my vote. I have the Sony XM5 too. Bass is more energetic on the Bose.
Which of these are the Best Sounding Bluetooth Wireless Headphones 🎧 for playing Hiphop and Reggae music (bass heavy)?
1)Mark Levinson No. 5909
2)FOCAL - Bathy’s Headphones
3) T+A Solitaire T Wireless
4)Master and Dynamics MW75
5)Dali IO-12
The mic sounded okay but are they better than the Airpod Pro Max? Been on the lookout for headphones with great mics for calls/MS Teams (cos i keep getting interrupted on my earbuds!).
In terms of sound quality? The Bathys are certainly better hahah. If you're just looking for something to take work calls though, I'd recommend possibly looking at headsets meant for calls instead. Maybe something from Jabra's office line? Alternatively, you can get a good mic like the Blue Yeti if you take a lot of calls on your computer/laptop
@@Audiofied I know what you mean! I have a Jabra Engage 75 but it needs to be docked. Don't have a fixed desk either. So was wondering if the Focal Bathys might be great as a "multitasker" - great for music + work calls.
@@heatherchua6319 Ahhh, in that case, I'd say the Bathys definitely are great for music. Calls not so much, your voice will be a bit thin, and there might be a bit of background noise leakage if you're in a noisy area!
@@Audiofied got it. Thanks for replying too, appreciate it! Was considering the AirPod pro max for music + calls too but honestly the bathys sound so good….
@Audiofied I got these in the end and i'm on cloud nine.
Love these reviews. Am considering the Bathys and have been able to demo them recently. They sounded superb. Wasn't able to compare to the PX8 however, I was able to listen to the PX7 s2. They sounded really good too. The price has just decreased on PX7s to £300 GBP so they now represent superb value with the Bathys £400 more.
Ah that seems like a much more acceptable price for the Px7 S2! For absolute sound quality though, I think the Bathys still win out hahah
I’ve had the Bathys for a month now. Amazing headphone. My favourite feature is DAC mode for hi fidelity listening with an iPhone. This is something the other headphones lack. If you want to spend money on hi audio headphones then don’t use Bluetooth. This takes away the need for a separate headphone amp.
It draws power from your phone so it’s not a great portable on the go feature to be honest. I use this feature on Sennheiser momentum 3 directly connected to windows pc with Qobuz app using wasapi exclusive mode driver
I tried the Focal bathys Sennheiser Momentum 4 Drop Panda and Sony XM5 and had to make a tough decision... to get all 4
Win in my book!
Next, sell half and get mojo 2 poly with ath-wp900.
@18yearsoldnot sold em all and splurged for a susvara. Bro you have to try those cans or the HE1000. Mind blowing!
@@brothatwasepic I’d love to. Have you ever managed to compare them to lcd-x? I personally returned the lcd-x because I thought they weren’t dynamic enough and I thought maybe that’s the way planars are, but I could be wrong! I saw your vid on the Dave, I live in uk and got a second hand Hugo tt which I believe is like a baby Dave with at least the tuning aspect, and yeah with even my hd6xx it sounds blissfully good
@18yearsoldnot for sure I tried them with the LCD-X and LCD GX and overall the HE1000SE, Ananda and susvara sound a bit more revealing and open at least compared to the LCD's that I did get to try. I believe that is because Audeze generally was intentionally tuning a bit of a darker sound compared to hifiman. Have fun man the journey is as fun as the endgame
Wonderful review! I extensively auditioned these vs the PX8 and concluded the same thing. The mid presentation is a Focal trait, which is totally what I prefer. Billie Eilish is indeed great on these. The Bathys is a great proposition vs the PX8 and ML5909. I also count the Apple AirPods Max to this group, due to their best-in-class ANC and software integration on iOS.
Thanks for the kind words! The mids on these headphones is truly... /chef's kiss hahah
@@Audiofied ah oui it’s “ze French touch” *chef gesture* xD
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Enjoyed the review, but I personally think these are not worth the money. They cheaped out on the LDAC codec, when 100 dollar units from Anker were able to afford the license. Instead of making them a great closed back headphone that could run in passive mode [and not require the battery to power on! wtf LOL ] they put effort into building bling lights into them, whaat the heck? Reviewers have been too kind to these things. On top of that, the ANC is really poor; for the price they should at least be competing with the leaders Bose, Sony, and Apple, but instead they are closer to the 100-200 dollar market.
edit: And they should have bought into the Aptx lossless codec which is already on the market in some earphones, seriously Focal...
Certainly agree with you on some points! ANC is not as good as the others (and certainly not as good as the price suggests), but I have to say the sound quality is way better than what you get from Bose, Sony and Apple. That's the real saving grace for these I think, simply based on their sound quality. I actually am testing a pair of earbuds that has Snapdragon Sound (aka lossless), but unfortunately, not many phones on the market support it right now.
Btw, you're right, the LEDs were pretty unnecessary LOL
@@Audiofied Yea, I kind of wished Focal had delayed the release and got that new tech for snapdragon sound, but then again they have probably be working on this for years at this point.
They focused on bringing the best sound they could and succeeded. The Bathys sound better on AptX than 95% other BT sets on whatever codec they support. ANC is maybe not the most effective but it's enough to muffle the most of cityscape/train/bus sounds and the only one I heard that doesn't change the tuning. Can't have it all I guess.
@@zdzisawduzy5935 Absolutely, something has to give
From the sound test I liked the PX8 more
They each have their own advantages!
Agree, according this test the sound of PX8 is more detailed than Bathys. The second one just highlights vocal. However "degustigus no disputantum".
You need better music to demo the headphones.
Close miked and compressed pop is not a good example of headphone performance.
A live recording of instruments without compression would be a better sample.
Will take good note of that, thanks!
I first bought the Px8 but within 6 months the leather of the headband started to tier on both sides while using them normal. I send it back and today I got the Focal Bathys. I can't really say that I enjoy the sound better of the Bathys. I would say it is different but to my ears not better or worse.
I also have a remark about this video. Usually I can understand that not everybody is recording the sound of a YT channel in with the utmost detail. However, when you have an audio channel I would give it a bit more attention. It is not (just) the quality of the microphone but much more the way the sound is recorded. It is close to clipping and very harsh sounding.
Bathys for long listening and Px8 is short listening on the go Px8 too sharp after time make your ears tired, bathys for smooth long listening period.
APTX adaptiv brings better results than Ldac. Cause it works more stable and efficient
Having heard them both in real life and consequently buying the Bathys, your audio comparisons are spot on. The PX8 really are so muddy and bloated for a premium headphone, the Bathys tiptoes around them with bags of clarity, air and separation. They're truly sonically fantastic.
Hey Richard, thanks for the kind words and hope you enjoy your Bathys for a long time!
I recently purchased px8 as my old px had broken. The luxury headphone market has elevated to the fashion status from geeky nerdy subculture icon. The luxury headphones are no longer only for the sound but for the design as well as fashion. px8 looks sleek and exquisite than bathys to my eyes. it's subjective and this is just my opinion.
Just want to add something, i have noticed most reviews fail to mention the codecs support. Some of these including Px8 dont support LDAC, which means no high quality sound over bluetooth. What make worst if some of us owners of Samsung newer phones you are in tough luck. You can only stream in 16bits. Samsung phones only have the old classic aptx not HD nor adaptive. They refuse to pay qualcomm royalty. This is really bad. I know you can always go wired but that defeat the purpose of portability. The only choice is Don't use Samsung phones, use any other android snapdragon that support at least aptx HD.
I’ve actually used a Nura Dongle which supports AptX Adaptive and the wireless sound quality on the Bathys jumps up dramatically..
@@shonen84 yes but dont you think that defeat the purpose of the bluetooth mobility to connect wired? Plus bathys already have the built-in dac? Personally I think all these luxury headphones should include all codecs available out there consider their price range, just like those high end wired headphones including high quality cables. They should not expect the buyer to buy any additional extras just to get better quality.
I find no difference in the codecs. I have pixel 7, s22 ultra(s23 ultra otw) and Asus phone which has adaptive. Sounds the same on all.
@@TM-un8dk you need to try on aptx HD which is 24 bits. I have s22 ultra, and stuck with 16bit aptx with my PX8. But when I tried on my son phone which is oppo x5 pro, using the aptx HD i can hear its much cleaner, brighter and louder. Go to developer options and play around with the codecs. I guess maybe everyone hearing is different. But I'm pretty sure even my wife and son can tell the difference. Dont think they are audiophiles.
You could try the newly released Audio Technica M50x-BT2 which is far cheaper..better treble accuracy, better mid accuracy, more soundstage at just 200 dollars
Or you could get these for a “slight” more bass accuracy (which focal bathys beats audio techinca for 800 dollars )
And if you are into V Shaped sound, Go for Sennheiser Momentum 4
I ended up buying the Px8, even though it has the worst sounding compare to 5909, Bathys, and BO H95. Personally I think Bathys has the best sound, unfortunately both 5909 and Bathys are so big and ugly. Bathys are pale in comparison to their wired Focal siblings, which normally look more premium. Seriously both Mark Levinson and Focal need to get their design team together. They need to know wireless mean portability. So other than sound, looks and slimness also important factor. Among the luxury headphones only the BW and BO achieve the good looks. Unfortunately BO has no value. Focal also need to up their ante on the NC...forget even Sony class, they are absolute crap even compare to sub $300 earbuds. Also the built in dac is a little marketing hype, let's face it even PX8 and the other can also connect and sound better wired. Most of them will have built in DSP processing anyway.
That's interesting, I did exactly the opposite 😂😂. I bought both the focal and PX8 and because of the much worst sound of the PX8 I kept the focal. I'm totally with you, it's ugly and bulky BUT I'm paying the money mainly for the sound. Let's face it: the PX8 is great if it costs 400-450 EUR gros. Any price above 500 Euro is ridiculous in my opinion.
@Karoly Krausz just a thought, IF sound quality is your way to go then you better off go for Focal wired siblings. Even in term of looks I'm disappointed with how far off the bathys compare to the normally high quality built/looks of focal headphones. Bathys is also not cheap either compare to PX8. With how much the bathys selling I can buy celestee and Ifi bluetooth dac with some spare change for a nice dinner with my wife. Oh well anyway don't think we can go wrong with any of those luxury headphones.
Bit late to the party. In the market for a new BT headphones as my Sennheisers broke down. I narrowed it down to PX8 or Bathys. I have the Focal Eligia(closed back)paired with ifi hip dac or dragonfly red to my iPad Pro. Plenty of detail and separation but It just doesn’t do it for me in terms of musical engagement. Would the Bathys deliver a more engageing sound or would I be better off with the PX8. The latter’s price has also dropped down to €450.
a bit late to reply, but focal definitely the best looking and one of the best sounding in the BT HP market
I just bought the Bathys recently purely due to critical listening on the go. But I think the Px8 is a better buy as it hits a balance between premium build quality and sound. And in my opinion as well, the sound of the Px8 is not too far off and is a bit more enjoyable to use (my opinion).
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why not just buy good sounding wired headphones and cheaper wireless anc headphones
I guess it's for still having really good sound quality when you're out and about and if you don't need/want ANC. I personally need strong ANC on planes so I bought the XM4 back in the day even though the sound quality isn't the best
These rather overrated, overhyped headphones were clearly tuned to a very specific sound, and unfortunately it is a veiled, dull sound. It's weird, it sounds airy and at the same time veiled. If you don't know the price of these, and you listen to them blind, you would think these are much cheaper. But hey it looks and feels expensive.
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Never buy The PX 8 , are review are not real but fake . I bought the set on 19/09/2023 after hearing a lot of review . The sound quality is lousy, the bass freq is boomy & not clean , the mid-range is very hold back & the high are bright. I live to regret to buy the PX8 , the noise cancelation seal is very poor ,even the standing fan noise can hear 100% when noise cancelation is on . Dont buy the PX8, im from singapore