FAB Facts: Space 1999 Almost Had a Season Finale
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 เม.ย. 2023
- Space:1999 almost had an episode that would've given some kind of closure to the story of the show - but this was soon halted by Fred Freiberger.
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And of course we did get ‘Message from Moonbase Alpha’ with Zienia to give us some resolution to everything
We did. I'm trying to find it again and it seems to have vanished but for a photo only edit.
@@PhilDrury I have it on DVD. It was in the extra’s of most of the Network releases. I’ll make an effort to upload it
@@mcal27 Much appreciated.
@@PhilDrury th-cam.com/video/VJqm3Zcguf4/w-d-xo.html
@@PhilDrury OK it's up. TH-cam removed the link I replied to you with. search for Space 1999 fanfilm: Message from Moonbase Alpha. I've had to mute the music too to stop a content copyright claim
OK I might be getting old, however, when the Space:1999 email list was the only way us Alphans communicated back in the day (late 90s through early 2Ks) and Johnny Byrne was a regular contributor, I swear he did upload a copy of the script. If someone somewhere has the mailing list archived, there may be hidden treasure.....
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Loved space 1999 as a kid and the Eagle is still one of the best ever space craft created.
Don't forget that when production on S2 finished, pre-production prep for season 3 was under way during the hiatus, and was finally cancelled at late stage. IIRC, the funds were snatched to allow Lew Grade to go into film production - of which the most memorable (for all the wrong reasons) was "Raise the Titanic!"
I quite liked "Raise The Titanic", espesh the music score by good ol' John Barry.
But as Raise the Titanic's production costs soared it did give us one of Lew Grades' finest quips: ""It would have been cheaper to lower the Atlantic." 🤣
@@eddiebrennan6714 Yeah, I've heard that quote before but it IS a good one, isn't it? 😉
I wonder whether the inspiration for 'Children of the Gods' was Arra's speech in 'Collision Course':
: "You shall continue.. Your odyssey shall know no end. You will prosper and increase in new worlds, new galaxies. You will populate the deepest reaches of space."
Good show, QuackVideo--you beat me to it.
That sounds kind of depressing in a way, tho loved Arra.
Why has 1999 and UFO not been rebooted?
Nobody wants to see Cgi Eagle ,including me , the power of the series lies buried with it in the 70s.
At the end of the day Space 1999 was doomed the day day FF got involved. What puzzles me is how this guy managed to consistently distance himself from the damage he caused.
It was doomed BEFORE he got involved. It was HE who convinced ITC to revive it for S2 after they initially cancelled it.
cool idea, too bad Fred had to do his Fred-thing. O_o honestly, I always wanted to see Alpha return to Earth. Like- they reach a point where they have to put everyone in stasis (ala Captain Zantor's stasis boxes) because they've finally run out of supplies.. then the Moon passes thru a spacewarp, or they encounter the black sun again and - they wake up finding themselves back in Earth orbit, hundreds or thousands of years later.. and it's unpopulated, green, the cities overgrown, and they finally realize the purpose of their survival- to repopulate the planet- but a little wiser, a little more carefully. -something like that ^_^
My subtitle generator renders "The Dorcons" and "The Dawkins" !
Fred Frieburger-the kiss of death of sci fi shows everywhere and patron saint of "crap alien of the week" episodes
I did some research and it is also a bit of lew Grade's fault. Because the first season wasn't successful they made sure the second one HAD to be different from the first. at least according to Fred's Wikipedia page which seemed to assume that Lew was the reason why it was so different
@@APAMVs doesn't explain him doing the same for Star Trek. The infamous kirk being ridden by a dwarf and the truly horrendous *Spoks brain" are all Frieburger
@@viv-i-vangoesforth...I would have liked to have seen Shatner's face as he read the storyline and script where he's ridden by Alexander ( the dwarf). I wonder how many takes it took for them to film Bill whinnying like a horse.
For myself, the best thing which should have happened in season 2 would have been Fred Freiberger having nothing to do with it all - it still bugs me to this day that he had anything to do with season 2.
This sounds like a perfect season 1 episode and a great way of ending the show, such a pity it never got made. I mean ultimately you knew the Alphans would succeed as with most time travel related stories if they'd failed the children wouldn't have been around to be taken in the first place to test the Alphans, so the fact that they were available shows that the test successful and ...oh I've now got a headache...either way it sounds brilliant to me.
And strangely enough those two Johnny Byrne stories that were produced are IMO the most watchable of the second season - as in, they're the only episodes I can take even vaguely seriously (the Immunity Syndrome not only shares a name with a Star Trek TOS episode but I think it also feels like it could have fit into TOS). The Children of the Gods definitely sounds a lot more like a first season episode than a second season one though.
I agree with you 100 percent …
the second season was mostly bad remakes of the first
Frieburger obviously didn't hear the one that says, "If it's not broken don't fix it".
Well that's 1999 Season 2 alright - mental and physical torture with no clear purpose! I think Time Lash was a great candidate to wrap up UFO. The aliens try one last scheme to defeat SHADO, they fail, but leave Straker a hollow shell.
Land Of The Lost by Sid&Marty Kroft had a proper finale at the end of the first season - then they decided to keep the show going, so the Marshalls who left the Land were replaced by temporal duplicates who became the new main characters.
"We've brought your moon back. Sorry about the condition."
None of Gerry Anderson’s shows had a final episode that wrapped up the storylines. We never know if Spectrum won the “war of nerves” with the Mysterons, or if SHADO stopped the alien invasion. We don’t know if Fireball XL5 is still out exploring the galaxy. And we never found out if the Alphans found a new planet, but it was at least implied that they did in the episode “Collision Course.”
Very cool. For the next FAB Facts, can we have 10 reasons why Fred Freiberger should have never been allowed to touch Space 1999? Thanks ;)
Trek too.who will forget spocks brain no wonder nimoy was a hard sell to return for the
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There is a surprising amount of Doctor Who references in this Space 1999 chat. Fantastic.
I'm just glad that Space:1999 didn't end with a flashback episode, given the differences between Series 1 and 2! #FabFacts
Zienia Merton once threw such a hysterical wobbly when told a tarantula was going to crawl up her arm that Gerry Anderson asked if she was pregnant. The scene was dropped.
This show was a head of its time
Funnily enough I was never completely happy with the vacuum that space 1999 ended. By now i made my own little story in my head.
I definitely enjoy this kind of meta twist in stories, I think the way to go with something like that would be to hint at the identity of the future civilisation rather than outright state it, so that the viewers have the realisation of what it means.
Damn you Frieberger! Sadly the closest thing we'll ever see to a final episode was Zienie Merton in "Message from Moonbase Alpha."
Good fab fact, good read the Maybe there the lost stories of Space 1999, would to love read / see the original cut of ep 1 (2hrs) look forward to podcast 253
How I wish the original cut of Breakaway could be found too! I don’t care if it’s slow paced!! :)
There were talks of a Season 3 or a Maya-centered spin-off so I don't think they have an early idea that the show would be cancelled. Everything seemed to be on track until Lord Lew Grade withheld the budget to finance the Titanic movie that sadly did not do good business
Freddie fckn Frieburger strikes again.
This would have made a beautiful episode and I've got the novel...just haven't read it yet! Great po-cast, thanks for sharing!!!
The print is so small, you need the Hubble to read it.
I read a shorter season 3 was proposed along with a Maya spin off show, both being 13 episodes so the budget of one season of S99 would cover both.
Tonight they're going to party like it's 1999.
Wish there was a season 3 but like season 1 with Victor Bergman and a more serious tone.
Turns out Johnny wrote more than that: not just a finale after CHILDREN but a whole idea that might be a new series: Alphans settled down on a planet but the Moon leaves and returns; some want to leave; some do not; some do and find a MUF on the base and I believe it takes off again into space. In the meantime, I believe BLAM also had an idea that family members and friends of the Alphans having met the aliens from EARTHBOUND, knowing now that their loved ones are alive, set off on a mission to find Alpha and encounter the planets that Alpha passed until they find the Moon and land there or find the planet they have settled down on. Moon goes off again.
Hey George we need some stuff for the commander's desk. Go grab a couple of the biggest glass bongs you can find and a couple of blue flanges. We'll put them together, it'll look great!
Good overview and like other commenters I had heard about this episode. Great shame it was never made.
Btw the subtitle for The Dorcons reads as The Dawkins which made me laugh- imagine Richard Dawkins attacking Alpha….
Remember a fan fiction a long time ago I think was called "Moon over Bajor" Was interesting using Deep Space Nine with Space 1999 to tie thing up for 1999.
the last episode.. is that they managed to find a habitable planet and established a new human colony on the other side of the galaxy.. I like to think so
There is person on you tube called Alpha86. Edited space1999 fan edit. I like the way he link the 1st and 2rd. Season together Also. Testament of art Kara is last episode in production order.
I was indeed aware of this story, and I have the novel taken from Johnny's ideas, that were still known of.
3:01 That would create a paradox. 🎵A paradox, a paradox. A most peculiar paradox🎵
Amused to hear Jamie mention the classic bit of 'Doctor Who' techno (or chrono) babble, the 'Blinovitch Limitation Effect'. Almost as popular as 'Reverse the polarity of the neutron flow', I think.
Geez that Fred guy hated this script but didn’t have a problem with that story of an alien entity playing Jesus 😳🙄😆
I was very sad back in the day the way the show faded out and disappeared. Back when we only had a few channels in the uk it didn't even seem to get repeated for a very long time.
Regarding the proposed episode, if these Aliens are so powerful that they can manipulate time and bestow God like powers, are they the slightest bit concerned about what the Alpha's may do?
Scarlet needed a second series or more, definitely a finale. UFO too.
ANOTHER REASON to NOT LIKE Fred Freiberger...🙄
where did the vid about Space 1999's Top 10 Scariest Moments go? video by Chris Dale.
Thunderbirds ( new version ) had a satisfactory ending
I was not. This must be shared.
The concept of *Children of the God* reminds me of *Displaced* from Star Trek: Voyager
There's a bit of "Squire of Gothos" and "Gamesters of Triskelion" in there too it sounds like
New Captain Scarlet was out of order though. "Dominion" SHOULD have been the series finale, but they ended it on "Grey Skulls" which didn't make sense. Thunderbirds are Go! had an excellent and proper two-part finale with "The Long Reach".
So we all got Friebergered in the end - no surprise 😖
The weirdness of it sounds suitably season one to me.
Oh no. He's got a staple gun !
It's always *Fred "Series Killer" Freiberger's Fault*
I remember when they started showing season 2 here in the states back in the 70's... There were several of us in High School who were fan's.... *WERE Fans* I don't remember any of us getting more than 2 or 3 episodes into season 2 before giving up on it. A few of us were fans of Barry Morse / Prof. Victor Bergman and his removal alone was enough to show us where the show was heading.
I've had a U.F.O. / Space 1999 series re-launch idea for decades now... Never had the ear of anyone who mattered though.
Children of the Gods was novelised. I have it. Not had time to read it yet.
Too bad we won't be able to get it - ITV cancelled Powys Media's exclusive contract and since the books were printed to order, the only copies are 3rd party/resale. Hoping the estate can intervene.
Not sure what became of the reboot/sequel series 2099.
It seems that most sci fi series don't have series enders whether they are British or American or even Japanese.
The exception maybe the Star Trek series.
Not enough monsters for good old Fred!!!
Sounds like the Script would have been a good season arc. It would do great with todays 10 episode format.
Children of gods was similar story on Star Trek voyager
Freiberger screwed up Season/Series 2 of Space 1999 just like Season 3 of STAR TREK years earlier. Even James Doohan who played Scotty said Fred had no idea what he was doing. Both ended up as a goofy parody of themselves. If only the right people with resources could remake Space 1999 as Space 2099 ... where Hollow Moon theory would reveal the MOON was a spaceship that brough modern humans to Earth eons ago with a hyperspace hump drive (like in the remake of Battlestar Galactica) inside of it and scientists trigger a oountdown to launch a return to ARKADIA givng them time to stock up on supplies, ships (Eagles and Hawks). Then they would stop off at preprogrammed resupply planets and run into occasional alien ships like in Mission of the Darians. Perhaps even having 2 bases one civilian science/other military and a huge shipyard to build new larger ships/ARKS - some of whom could try and return to Earth.
Testament of Arkadia should have been Space 1999's Season/Series 1 finale instead of The Last Enemy. S1999 Season 2 had its good points (Maya) but they changed it too much. Children of the Gods would have been interesting to see on screen.
If Trelaine had a twin.
For a second I thought this was Star Trek....
I know of one children of the gods
It involved something round that spins
Sounds like a cross between the Star Trek episodes The Squire Of Gothos and Plato's Stepchildren. I think the episode in principal sounds like it would of be a good episode. But look who comes in a Fred appears and does what he is good at killing a show of good ideas
Fred f**king Frieberger, "The Serial Killer".
Please!!! if anyone out there has a copy of the original script for Children of the Gods, can you upload it and share with all of us?
The second season is so bad that ever time I have tried to watch it, I have fallen asleep.
Glad it helped with your insomnia though! 😊
The writing on the series, overall, is probably what doomed it. And Fred Freiberger of course. How many series did he curse in his career?
Fred freiberger had the Medusa touch.
Everything he was involved in went to s***.
I think Abe Mandel is a name that doesn’t come up often but he was head of ITC New York and he was the one who was responsible for dumping UFO after a blip in the ratings in New York and LA and brought that idiot Freiburger to ruin Season 2. No explanation into why the Command Centre lost that beautiful set from Season 1, or why 75% of the cast had disappeared. Like other Anderson shows, maybe Space 1999 would have been better lasting for one season only.
@@rtc9063 The thing about the dip in ratings for UFO on WPIX 11 in NYC and KNXT 2 in LA is that it occurred during summer reruns. Both stations ran the series Saturdays at 7pm. Seriously, it's summer, it's warm, there are things to do. By the way, Mandell didn't make that decision, Lew Grade did.
And we all know why Main Mission gave way for Command Center. Don't we?
I may be alone in this, even though I loved SPACE 1999, I couldn't stand the leed....Martin Landau!!!!!
Wasn't there supposed to be a SPACE 2099? It's been in production Hell for year's though I doubt it'll be as good as SPACE1999.
Fred was correct, the US audience probably wouldnt get it - as even today, you have to lead them around by the nose and rub their faces in something before they pick up on it.*
I like to think the UK audience would have gotten it straight away.
*See the US remake of "Ghosts".
I consider Gerry Anderson to be one of the great sci-fi TV pioneers. Oh, how I would have loved to have seen that episode as the finale. I'm sorry, but the Gerry and Sylvia Anderson shows were much better than Star Trek.
Had things turned out differently Space: 1999 would not exist. The next series/season of UFO would have been made with what was turned into Moonbase Alpha after it was canceled mid plannig, being SHADO 's new HQ.. And the Eagles being new SHADO Interceptors. Given the how bad Space: 1999 season 2 was I would have preferred the continuation of UFO to Space: 1999.
And that plot sounds ridiculous.
If you watch Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons (not the remake) in proper order it ends with SPECTRUM wiped out and even Captain Scarlet killed permanently, Or it seems that way. There is a video out there that shows they intended to create a new season with the original Captain Scarlet and Captain Blue voices but new Black since he had died. But they scrapped that idea for a reboot instead. I dont like reboots.
Can I just say that this story is at odds with what I've previously read. That is that a series 3 was being contemplated by ITC (which may or may not have been the Maya-centric spin off show that was supposedly Fred Freiberger's idea) but ultimately it never went into production despite a new theme tune for series 3 being composed and recorded by Johnny Hawksworth and can be found on TH-cam. Whilst I'm not saying what is said here is wrong, it is a different take on why the series never got a proper conclusion during its lifetime. As the show never really took off in the U.S. anyway, ITC decided to cancel series 3 it at the last minute. Fred Freiberger does get a bad rap from both Star Trek and S1999 fans but in his defence he had to produce both final series of these shows with a significantly reduced budget from what went before. I'm not justifying the somewhat stupid stories he vetted being made, just the fact that on both occasions he was hampered by cost cutting from the production companies involved.
The 2nd season command centre sets seemed like they were running out of resources due to continued journey away from earth.(ca n anyone say"budget cuts"??)
Knowing that the Alphans would survive and start a new colony kind of drains any jeopardy from a Series 3.
I never lost in 7tees an episode.Please let me know when Release this Ep…
Thank you.
The Power that may be (Liberal/Crooks/MAGA who have the MONEY NOW) need to bring back Space 1999 to prepare the next generation of the EARTH about the Moon and other Planet. However, Technology and science has improved as well as Management, Music and etc...and therefore should be reflected in the show. PS Nuclear Dump don't blow up into a nuclear explosion...Weapons accident???Weaponization of Space.
Well, if Chariots of the Gods had been made it would have been Freibergerized, so I assume the children would have been made into goofy monsters and Maya would save the day by changing into a rock.
I still hardly recognise Season 2 even though I have it and have watched it tons of times it’s still the weaker series in my book.
This episode sounds like a ripoff of two Trek episodes: Plato's Stepchildren and The Empath.