Does anyone else see the similarities between Boeing today and MD during its final decline? A constant cycle of aircraft announcements and cancellations. All talk, no delivery. Not having a competitor for the A321xlr could be disastrous for Boeing once the supply chain issues are fixed. Even if the MAX can handle all but single digit requirement for an airline, the fact that they need those A321xlrs could mean that the whole narrow body order goes to the A320 series.
The thing that is absurd to me is, why would you merge with a failing company, and then let their CEO run the show?? I view that is the turning point that has led to Boeing‘s problems today.
The 737 has underwent two evolutions so far. If its not broke don't break it. The 777x will be a great plane if it ever gets certified, the FAA is probably being extra intense on them because all there problems
@@becraftcorey Just imagine, if, as a result of lighter FAA scrutiny, the 777x was already in service. Fleet groundings following failures noticed during routine checks would have been the best possible outcome.
Boeing needs to deal with the problems with what it already has on the table. Once the existing situation is dealt with.... Then Boeing can evaluate what a fully new, competitive airliner looks like to replace the 737, 757/767, or wherever else they see a hole in the mid/late 2030s market. Boeing probably isn't going to be in any position to begin a new program until the end of this decade at the earliest.... Whatever they do between now and then ought to be limited to small scale studies and technology evaluations towards having a menu of possible options available when the time does come to actually engineer the next airliner.
I love Ortberg's logic here. Onlookers: "Don't you need a new plane?". Ortberg": "We don't have any money for that. Therefore we do not, in fact, need it.".
look even if they build the 797, it still won't do a damn thing to improve boeing's reputation which is constantly viewed by the public, the reasons why i don't see this concept being built is because of financial strain and lack of interest from the public. its the same reasons that killed the boeing 2707, the money went out and nobody wanted to fly on it anyway
This Boeing cannot execute- let them get back to some decent level of delivering. New planes will wait if at all. And live with one third share vs half the goal.
Boeing can't even build it's present upgraded range successfully and on time a new model is at least 15-20 years ago, in the meantime Airbus forge ahead .
Once BOEING GET THEIR QUALITY CONTROL TOGETHER ON THEIR EXISTING AIRCRAFT THEN CONCERN THEMSELVES WITH A NEW AIRCRAFT TYPES. 737 MAX OVERALL HAS DONE A GOOD JOB TRANPORTING PASSENGER S. SHOULD HAVE BUILT A WIDER STRONGER 757 TO COMPETE WITH THE A321. BUILD IT RIGHT, QUALITY CONTROL AN THEY WILL BE BACK IN GAME.
If Boeing can get the 737-7/10 and 777-8/9 certified, it will free up resources to consider a new aircraft, but they are facing a new year 2025 and more delays. Boeing can’t seem to get out of its way to ruin current and future plans. The strike has caused layoffs from its white collar workforce. Hopefully they are redundant useless employees instead of productive engineers. Boeing often over hires useless employees. They need a leaner engineering workforce. Upper and middle management don’t know how to actually manage.
Does anyone else see the similarities between Boeing today and MD during its final decline?
A constant cycle of aircraft announcements and cancellations.
All talk, no delivery.
Not having a competitor for the A321xlr could be disastrous for Boeing once the supply chain issues are fixed.
Even if the MAX can handle all but single digit requirement for an airline, the fact that they need those A321xlrs could mean that the whole narrow body order goes to the A320 series.
The thing that is absurd to me is, why would you merge with a failing company, and then let their CEO run the show?? I view that is the turning point that has led to Boeing‘s problems today.
@VMac822 The power of persuasion!
So, the 737 will be 60 years old. The 777X is 13 years in the making. The 777 normal is 30 years old. What are they doing besides NOTHING?
The 737 has underwent two evolutions so far.
If its not broke don't break it.
The 777x will be a great plane if it ever gets certified, the FAA is probably being extra intense on them because all there problems
@@becraftcorey Just imagine, if, as a result of lighter FAA scrutiny, the 777x was already in service. Fleet groundings following failures noticed during routine checks would have been the best possible outcome.
Thanks Dj!!
737 Supermax. Wings similar to the 787 but smaller with same GE9x engine. Stretched to the length of the 757.
That would be a soupmax I wouldn't want to fly with whatsoever.
Boeing needs to deal with the problems with what it already has on the table. Once the existing situation is dealt with.... Then Boeing can evaluate what a fully new, competitive airliner looks like to replace the 737, 757/767, or wherever else they see a hole in the mid/late 2030s market. Boeing probably isn't going to be in any position to begin a new program until the end of this decade at the earliest.... Whatever they do between now and then ought to be limited to small scale studies and technology evaluations towards having a menu of possible options available when the time does come to actually engineer the next airliner.
I wonder how many parts will fall off this thing?
Bolts, washers or door plugs, the usual stuff.
I love Ortberg's logic here. Onlookers: "Don't you need a new plane?". Ortberg": "We don't have any money for that. Therefore we do not, in fact, need it.".
He actually has a point. One he didn't mention. Boeing doesn't have the necessary engineers either.
The B787-10 would be a massive seller but for airliners looking for an ultra long haul wide body but design flaws didn’t allow that to happen
Boeing is not rebuilding its operations, it is resizing its operations
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look even if they build the 797, it still won't do a damn thing to improve boeing's reputation which is constantly viewed by the public, the reasons why i don't see this concept being built is because of financial strain and lack of interest from the public. its the same reasons that killed the boeing 2707, the money went out and nobody wanted to fly on it anyway
First thing to do is sack most of the management.
This Boeing cannot execute- let them get back to some decent level of delivering. New planes will wait if at all. And live with one third share vs half the goal.
All I hear is trying to stop the bleeding. Innovation and building appear to be years away.
Oh no, Boeing can definitely continue to cruise on 1960s designs, they don't need to waste any money attempting to innovate.
Boeing can't even build it's present upgraded range successfully and on time a new model is at least 15-20 years ago, in the meantime Airbus forge ahead .
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Or 7-17
Once BOEING GET THEIR QUALITY CONTROL TOGETHER ON THEIR EXISTING AIRCRAFT THEN CONCERN THEMSELVES WITH A NEW AIRCRAFT TYPES. 737 MAX OVERALL HAS DONE A GOOD JOB TRANPORTING PASSENGER S. SHOULD HAVE BUILT A WIDER STRONGER 757 TO COMPETE WITH THE A321. BUILD IT RIGHT, QUALITY CONTROL AN THEY WILL BE BACK IN GAME.
If Boeing can get the 737-7/10 and 777-8/9 certified, it will free up resources to consider a new aircraft, but they are facing a new year 2025 and more delays. Boeing can’t seem to get out of its way to ruin current and future plans. The strike has caused layoffs from its white collar workforce. Hopefully they are redundant useless employees instead of productive engineers. Boeing often over hires useless employees. They need a leaner engineering workforce. Upper and middle management don’t know how to actually manage.
797
Yes it needs a new plane, but it is up to it's eyeballs in debt. So no new aircraft. (satire)
Your comment isn't really satirical...it's more of a metaphor..just saying.
797