People commenting he should have landed on the road probobly aren't pilots. There are several reasons not to land on a road when you have a field to choose from. A few being, cars, telephone poles and wires. A Kit Fox stall airspeed is around 28 kts or 32 mph so if he 's landing into the wind his ground speed is even less. He knows he's propably going flip over but who cares at that low speed. Once your plane is a glider it belongs to the insurance company and your goal is to protect yourself and others on the ground. Great decision making skills!
Fields are good in the summer, but roads are better in the winter. Most pilots, myself included, would go for a road all day long if at all possible. It's going to be much harder to get assistance or rescue in the middle of a snowy field. Flipping, even at that speed, can easily knock you unconscious or cause concussions or injury. Help will come much faster if you're on the road, regardless of whether or not you're injured. In addition, roads are usually cleared of snow and landing is much safer. Like you said, the Kit Fox can land slow and short enough that just a small section of straight road will be sufficient. Cars will move. Yeah, watch out for power lines but just find a road without them. If you can't at least try to land as close to the road as possible.
@@Ezonial nothing is without risks but I'd rather risk getting hit by a car than flipping in a field in winter conditions where my rescue is going to be much harder.
@Moon Rambo ...not for the ride. Well, unlike cars we have very limited space to carry things around, but I always check and double check the weather report. If there's even the slightest chance that I may encounter bad weather then I grab extra gear. True for being on foot too.
Exactly - I always tell my kids, dress like you're going to be outdoors for at least an hour. Then if you crash and are unconscious you won't die of hyperthermia before you awake. Tennis shoes and jeans won't cut it in any remote area.
One of my best flight lessons didn’t involve an airplane. It was a road trip to various places that we had flown over previously and even did approaches on… what often looks like a good place to land isn’t always the best choice.
I nearly landed a glider on a 30° sideward slope. It looked perfect from above. By chance, this „field“ was next to the road I used to use to get to the airfield, so I knew it was a hill not a field. Seldom you have the chance to see a field before you have to use it. It might be a good idea, though, to check the fields around your airfield.
We did this when Paragliding, on the way to the flying site we would check out possible emergency landing areas. Checking for power lines or trees that might cause rotor.
All things considered, I'd say rather fortunate. The important things went well, and the pilot walked away, hopefully without frostbite. Well done, pilot! I assume the appearent radio silence was due to being edited out.
@@jonascarlsson1290 no, this nincompoop made no radio calls. He also apparently expected to just drop down onto fresh, deep snow without skis. Admittedly I've never done it, but I've heard of bush pilots "skimming" the surface on something between a low approach and a touch n' go. Not a full touch, but a light skim while keeping enough energy to keep the wing flying and get back in the air expeditiously.
@@ParadigmUnkn0wn You can clearly see him talking on the radio when the audio cuts out. I also don't think he expected to put it down in the snow, but that was his list of options.
I feel for you. Been there done that! See lots of TH-camrs playing in the snow. It's not worth it. When the snow grabs you there's no reaction fast enough or plane powerful enough to get out of the situation.
Props for the immediate switch off on the electrics. Really happy you were not badly injured ( at all? ) Little plane is robust and appeared to protect you well. Cold though! Hope you didn't have to wait long for assistance.
Thanks for sharing. Curious what size tires you had on. Sometimes, if able, it helps to overfly first with power and speed to tap your mains on the surface and feel how soft it is. You can also get an idea of how deep it is too. Good job.
@@abovesummit5116 Glad to hear!!! I’m always watching Trent Palmer with his Kit Fix. Did you have bush tires which probably wouldn’t have mattered?? Safe flying again!!!!
Difficult to tell your exact altitude from the snow if there's nothing to see for reference, just looks like an endless sea of white which might be 10 feet or only 2 feet away. On a sunny day you might be able to see your shadow if your flying the right way of course. Not saying this is what happened here, just pointing something out.
@@mattpierson6206 yet he tried to land in the snow, obviously. it's snow with a frozen crusty top layer that is what gets you. the moment the wheels break through that layer it's going to grab and flip you. best thing you can do is do a full stall landing, minimum possible airspeed before touching the snow, carry as little energy as you can when breaking through that crusty layer. Always assume there is a crusty layer.
@@neilis2405 Not necessarily. Snow can be worse than trees, depending upon the snow type, what's below the snow, and what kind of trees we're talking about. I fly in some of the most heavily forested and cold snowy regions in the US. Even guys trying to land on snow intentionally here (snow skies, packed snow runways, ice runways, etc.) have flipped their planes on landing.
Great job young man, snow is a unknown landing point, you have know idea how deep it is or what's under it, just glad you lived to fly again! Some don't.
it's snow with a frozen crusty top layer that is what really gets you. the moment the wheels break through that layer it's going to grab and flip you. And snow hides stuff.
Looked as good as it could get to me. I enjoy seeing these guys do a good job. For the guys that always have 14 better ideas it’s a different feeling when something goes wrong at anything over about 40’ AGL than it may seem. I know this from experience not just watching. You start thinking and breathing differently really really quick. Takes a lot of will to stick with what is right and make it out of even a minor emergency. Great job
Snow + wheels is bad combo. Depending on snow consistency (wet, hard, soft) as little as 2” can flip a plane or you could getaway with as much as 6”. Skis are a hoot! Get yourself some skis!!! Glad it appears no physical injury!
This ended exactly as expected while trying to land in a snowy field. Easy to say from here, but why did he choose to land in snow? Of course he will flip over.
@@headdown1 he probably didn't have enough airspeed and altitude to make a tight turn to the left/right to line up, and even then he could have probably come in on an angle and slid off the road. also, trees
@@abandonedaccount123 He was at a reasonably high altitude when he crossed the highway, and had plenty of time to turn right or left to line up on it. If he is capable of landing on a runway without coming in on an angle then the highway should be no different. But it is very easy to be an armchair pilot and speculate like I am doing. He may have had good reasons for doing what he did. They just aren't clear to me.
Maybe your thinking you could have done things differently…. But many things went right. You didn’t stall high. You flew it all the way to the ground. You put shoulder harnesses in your airplane. Good job captain.
It actually seemed like he was fighting a cross wind. That close to the ground should have told him his wind was wrong without a wind sock or flag. Going around once or twice to see when neutral rudders were good, then flat into the wind before touchdown and allowing for a last 5secs full flaps with harder nose down, and an incredibly low-Speed into soft snow, might have saved plane and pilot damage.
Glad you made it unscathed from that one. Would not dare to comment on the event as I-m sure you will have plenty of details that are unseen… best of luck getting it up and flying ASAP.
My instructor once told me any landing i can walk away from is a good landing , any landing i can use the plane again is an excellent landing. Looks like a good landing to me
Great job man, very scary. Where did this take place? Not to armchair quarterback but to ask your opinion, was there anything different you would have done? I saw a road as soon as your engine lost power but it happened so fast were you just looking for a nice open area to put her down? Would really help everyone else to understand your thinking incase this were to ever happen to any of us. Perhaps another video walk through of what your thinking through the flight. Again, awesome job, it all happens so fast. You have way less than time than I think we always think we have.
Excellent way to ask this. Most likely he just wanted to assure he wouldn’t hit any cars and when your mind is racing it’s probably practical to put it i back big field, you are still right tho
Good job getting it down as good as you did. This can happen in summer too when landing in crop land. Sometimes the ground is much softer than expected and has same effect.
Glad you were ok! You definitely had a great sense to power everything down, then get out. What do you think the cause was - snow deeper or crustier than expected, or rate of descent? I've never landed in snow, so I'm trying to understand the conditions. Could have been much worse, so hopefully the kit fox will be flying again!
It was hard to tell from video… but lighting conditions were(looked) poor, no definition between snow…drift or powder or hard pack. Looked like tire dug into softer drift or deep snow…. That’s all it takes. Even going across a lake on a snowmobile it’s hard to tell conditions with these lighting conditions
@@grandenauto3214 as someone from Alaska, snow blindness is a real thing. Been snowmaching up in the mountains and its sometimes hard to tell the difference between a small 1ft bump and a 15ft wall.
Did you slip the plane prior to touch down? I assume that might caused the flip over when the wheels made contact with the snow as they were not straight to your flying direction
it's snow with a frozen crusty top layer that is what gets you. the moment the wheels break through that layer it's going to grab and flip you. best thing you can do is do a full stall landing, minimum possible airspeed before touching the snow, carry as little energy as you can when breaking through that crusty layer. Always assume there is a crusty layer.
Not enough info to judge but assuming you were on skis and just planned to land in that open field you need some training. You can't just land in a featureless snow covered field like that, you have zero depth perception and no idea of the snow condition. It's the same as a glassy water landing on floats, you need a reference. Carry some pine tree branches or colored rags and drop them along your intended landing spot then make a second pass with power and test the snow by dragging the skis which gives you a further visual reference. You never just go into a field like that and land straight off. Even doing it right there is still a chance you'll get stuck and not be able to take off again. Like I said, get some training, read some books.
@@williammickelson403 Flying airplanes is a really easy way to die if one doesn’t exercise good judgement. If this was not an emergency, there’s a lot of questions needing answering. As a pilot myself, I agree with pi.
Not sure if you were on wheels or skis, but the flat light is what got you into this situation I think.....really hard to make out ground contours in flat light. Glad you got out safely!
@@troyjollimore4100 - Apparently not. It seems that the uploader stated that the engine was performing correctly and that this was not a forced landing.
it's snow with a frozen crusty top layer that is what gets you. the moment the wheels break through that layer it's going to grab and flip you. best thing you can do is do a full stall landing, minimum possible airspeed before touching the snow, carry as little energy as you can when breaking through that crusty layer. Always assume there is a crusty layer.
What strikes me about this most is not the crash, but the importance of knowing completely the terrain you are flying over--and then still not really knowing. I looked at this and wondered, is that snow all on land and not lakes or water? What is under the snow? How thick is the snow? From any height shown it was impossible to answer those questions. There was no "land" or even unused streets visible. Awful situation. Glad it was over so quickly and without apparent injury. Imagine if that had tumbled into pond or something!
Pilots always talk about the bad depth perception with water, especially at night. But I never heard the topic of depth perception being brought up with snow... Is that a legitimate concern? I'm not a pilot, but I would imagine it to be tricky.... I'm glad he didn't crash into that ground vehicle at 1:49 - maybe he used that as a reference point for depth perception, because it looked like he aimed straight for that vehicle at the end - might have been just a (scary) coincidence though....
Yup! Plus in these overcast conditions, he would have had flat light. Ain't no way in heck you'd ever be able to accurately judge it. Some people I fly with will carry bags of colored chalk or smoke bombs or something and drop them over the landing area to provide that depth perception.
was that a rudder control fail that swung the tail abruptly towards the crash landing? Glad you made it okay and even your bird is probably okay minus some repair.
it's snow with a frozen crusty top layer that is what gets you. the moment the wheels break through that layer it's going to grab and flip you. best thing you can do is do a full stall landing, minimum possible airspeed before touching the snow, carry as little energy as you can when breaking through that crusty layer. Always assume there is a crusty layer.
Okay. Totally goofy question coming from me: From this angle, I can basically see no superstructure connecting the left wing to the right. It's as though the base of each wing just connects to the outerside shell of the cockpit (skin?) and that's good enough. Somehow, even though it obviously works, it just doesn't seem strong enough. I'd have expected to see lightweight I-beam type structures running straight through the ceiling of the cockpit, going on out to and through the core of each wing. But, nope! How can planes do looping maneuvers with the wings just connected to the skin surface of the plane? Mind blown.
It doesn’t need to be extremely strong as the NE speed (never exceed) on these planes is fairly low. I’m not totally sure what the structure is called on these. But, aerobatic planes usually have different structures, you get monocoque, semi monocoque and some others I can’t remember but all the loads are calculated and monocoque designs have all the weight transferred into the skin surrounding the plane so it’s not as harsh as you would think!
Okay, unless it’s a cantilevered wing, such as the Cessna 210, or Cardinal, whose wing spar travels through the top of the fuselage, virtually all high wing airplanes are built this way. The load is shared with the wing strut, and the triangular brace is extremely strong.
Theres no spar carry thru because the wings are strutted. On a cantilever wing, the centre section has to transfer all of the lifting load to the fuselage, plus the bending force of the wing. In a strutted design the lifting force is split between the wing struts and the wing root attach.. and the bending force is just compression at the top (the one sideways tube at the front and one that the camera is probably mounted on at the back) and tension on the struts (which is far greater) that passes through the floor structure. It makes for a lot lighter structure compared to cantilever, but at the expense of drag. The rest of the tubes in the ceiling are to keep it true.
@@calvinnickel9995 can these do outside loops? Especially carrying through at the lower end of the outside loop? Admittedly an extremely example. But, I am trying to change the direction of tension on that setup. In order to see how strong that is, I guess.
Keep your chin up. There’s only 2 kinds of pilots… those that play off airport and know shit happens and those who sit online and tell everyone what an expert they are and how they’ve never bent a plane… flying off a 5,000 ft runway on perfect days. Learn something and move on. The best pilots in history have wrecked planes.
Amazing work, considering the situation you found yourself in. Not only was the ground covered in snow, but the sky was as white as the ground. This makes putting the nose as the correct attitude almost impossible. As for people commenting, he should have ditched on the road. That would be a terrible idea. Roads surprising as this might seem make terrible runaways for ditching aircraft. Far to many obsticles and steep turns. This guy made the right choice and chose to ditch in a nice open field with plenty of soft snow i cushion the impact.
What was the context if I may ask? Was this just a bush landing or forced landing? I thought they were going to clip the last fence line. Which made me think forced landing short...
it's snow with a frozen crusty top layer that is what gets you. the moment the wheels break through that layer it's going to grab and flip you. best thing you can do is do a full stall landing, minimum possible airspeed before touching the snow, carry as little energy as you can when breaking through that crusty layer. Always assume there is a crusty layer.
Great controlled landing, I got concerned with the approaching treeline, but you judged it spot on... Most important thing is you are ok, the plane can fix... I fly over water most times, so my ending ent never going to be a happy one..
Terrible landing. He choose a snowy field, with predictable results. Why not land on the highway if it is an emergency? And why land with without skies on snow if there is an alternative? Or did he have skis? I don't understand his decision making. Good job on shutdown after crash. Glad he is okay and will fly again.
@headdown1 You answered your question.....We obviously don't know all the facts and we all know putting a plane down on snow is problematic, therefore we just need to celebrate his survival, wish that we can be as lucky and move on...
@@carlosasher-leon4879 I think I did say that I was glad he survived and would fly again. Maybe you missed that part. As for me "moving on", I think I had done that, had I not? What is your point exactly? I am a private pilot and I naturally speculate about why he did what he did, like any other pilot watching this video. I guess I will "move on" now. Again.
Everyone seems to assume this was a forced landing caused by engine trouble. Could OP please confirm that this wasn’t just a mishap on a (badly) planned off-field landing attempt?
All i see is a terrible unstable approach, hitting the ground while banking left and sideslipping - not even a proper flare. But yes...he did great on power everything off before exited the airplane!
Was this a forced landing?? If not.. I would encourage you to get some more instruction prior to going back up. After something like that, there are always learning points. Plus, it will help you to regain your confidence.
crusty snow. I keep telling people, the moment you break through the top crust, it's going over. Got to touch down with minimal airspeed (full stall touchdown) to minimize the energy you carry into it. You did about as good as you can hope for.
Ok, Im no pilot....Once I realized your attempting to land in a snow covered field, my instant thought was "wonder how deep that snow is?".....Why would you try to land without knowing the "conditions"?
I’m glad you’re okay, but if I may ask, why did you choose to land on a field without knowing how deep the snow was? I could understand if it was an emergency landing, but it looked and sounded like the engine was running fine.
Even upside down in the snow, you nailed the shutoff procedure instinctively! Good pilot right there.
People commenting he should have landed on the road probobly aren't pilots. There are several reasons not to land on a road when you have a field to choose from. A few being, cars, telephone poles and wires. A Kit Fox stall airspeed is around 28 kts or 32 mph so if he 's landing into the wind his ground speed is even less. He knows he's propably going flip over but who cares at that low speed. Once your plane is a glider it belongs to the insurance company and your goal is to protect yourself and others on the ground. Great decision making skills!
Fields are good in the summer, but roads are better in the winter. Most pilots, myself included, would go for a road all day long if at all possible. It's going to be much harder to get assistance or rescue in the middle of a snowy field. Flipping, even at that speed, can easily knock you unconscious or cause concussions or injury. Help will come much faster if you're on the road, regardless of whether or not you're injured. In addition, roads are usually cleared of snow and landing is much safer. Like you said, the Kit Fox can land slow and short enough that just a small section of straight road will be sufficient. Cars will move. Yeah, watch out for power lines but just find a road without them. If you can't at least try to land as close to the road as possible.
I’m a pilot and I chose a road in winter, like the one in this video, any day.
I’m a veteran pilot.
I’ll always take a road over a field in an emergency situation. At least the road surface is more predictable
A pilot near me chose the road a few days ago and a car ran into the plane during landing... not a good outcome for the pilot...
@@Ezonial nothing is without risks but I'd rather risk getting hit by a car than flipping in a field in winter conditions where my rescue is going to be much harder.
Never leave home without being prepared to be forced into the weather. True in cars and planes. Glad you had an OK landing.
And motorcycles, Dress for the slide..
@Moon Rambo ...not for the ride.
Well, unlike cars we have very limited space to carry things around, but I always check and double check the weather report. If there's even the slightest chance that I may encounter bad weather then I grab extra gear. True for being on foot too.
@@moteroargentino7944 for sure, my survival kit is my passenger. I could land most anywhere and be ok for a week.
Exactly - I always tell my kids, dress like you're going to be outdoors for at least an hour. Then if you crash and are unconscious you won't die of hyperthermia before you awake. Tennis shoes and jeans won't cut it in any remote area.
Gotta love that muscle memory on shutdown sequence! Nice work.
One of my best flight lessons didn’t involve an airplane. It was a road trip to various places that we had flown over previously and even did approaches on… what often looks like a good place to land isn’t always the best choice.
I nearly landed a glider on a 30° sideward slope. It looked perfect from above. By chance, this „field“ was next to the road I used to use to get to the airfield, so I knew it was a hill not a field. Seldom you have the chance to see a field before you have to use it. It might be a good idea, though, to check the fields around your airfield.
Sometimes the ground is best place to land😂
Not a psycho? Beats a hole in the ice.
We did this when Paragliding, on the way to the flying site we would check out possible emergency landing areas. Checking for power lines or trees that might cause rotor.
You really hit the nail on the head there! Had the same kinda journey and couldn’t agree more!
Very unfortunate. Always hard to tell the depth of the snow. Glad you were not seriously injured and I am sure she will fly again!
All things considered, I'd say rather fortunate. The important things went well, and the pilot walked away, hopefully without frostbite. Well done, pilot! I assume the appearent radio silence was due to being edited out.
@@jonascarlsson1290 no, this nincompoop made no radio calls. He also apparently expected to just drop down onto fresh, deep snow without skis. Admittedly I've never done it, but I've heard of bush pilots "skimming" the surface on something between a low approach and a touch n' go. Not a full touch, but a light skim while keeping enough energy to keep the wing flying and get back in the air expeditiously.
@@ParadigmUnkn0wn You can clearly see him talking on the radio when the audio cuts out. I also don't think he expected to put it down in the snow, but that was his list of options.
Naa that's a plane you scrap and never touch again.
@@ParadigmUnkn0wn "Admittedly, I don't know what I'm talking about but I'm going to criticize anyway."
Glad you're OK. Looked like a great approach. Crazy how fast the snow grabbed the plane.
He doesn't care. Sucky landings get more clicks.
Yah Capt, needs skids. 💛🙏🏼
@@JDashRider ah yes, the 300k views will surely turn him a profit.
@@paddington1670 Lol
it's snow with a frozen crusty top layer that is what gets you. the moment the wheels break through that layer it's going to grab and flip you.
I feel for you. Been there done that! See lots of TH-camrs playing in the snow. It's not worth it. When the snow grabs you there's no reaction fast enough or plane powerful enough to get out of the situation.
J.A.T.O. rocket: "hold my beer..."
It’s ok for u man ?
Mike mateys scrappy :) that thing could power out of a stall
@@brady8103 he could hang that thing from the bar 🤣
@@cloudpandarism2627 nah....that would just bury you deeper
Props for the immediate switch off on the electrics. Really happy you were not badly injured ( at all? ) Little plane is robust and appeared to protect you well. Cold though! Hope you didn't have to wait long for assistance.
Amazing that he remember to turn it off before exiting
Seems like he somehow killed the Elt too though.
If I remember correctly and its been 15 yrs since my last flight, but the master switch and fuel should be turned off before ditching,
@@robertgary3561 i think he cut off mic recording
@@richarddixon146 that sounded like the sweep of an Elt that stopped.
Thanks for sharing. Curious what size tires you had on. Sometimes, if able, it helps to overfly first with power and speed to tap your mains on the surface and feel how soft it is. You can also get an idea of how deep it is too. Good job.
Glad you're ok 🙌 hope the Kitfox can be repaired and the engine is ok 🙏
Engine is fine. The fox has been rebuilt. I an the process of assembly now. Thank you.
@@abovesummit5116 Great news. That which does not kill us ... ... ... ^v^
@@taproom113 does not apply to strokes and cancer...
@@sigbauer9782 Enduring CHF, TIA'a and BHP ... tell me about it ! ;-) ^v^
@@abovesummit5116 Glad to hear!!! I’m always watching Trent Palmer with his Kit Fix. Did you have bush tires which probably wouldn’t have mattered?? Safe flying again!!!!
Difficult to tell your exact altitude from the snow if there's nothing to see for reference, just looks like an endless sea of white which might be 10 feet or only 2 feet away. On a sunny day you might be able to see your shadow if your flying the right way of course. Not saying this is what happened here, just pointing something out.
For winter flying in snow areas, seems that skis may be cheaper than repairs .
Ski's are for snow though, right?
i dont think he was planning on landing on the snow lol
@@mattpierson6206 yet he tried to land in the snow, obviously.
it's snow with a frozen crusty top layer that is what gets you. the moment the wheels break through that layer it's going to grab and flip you.
best thing you can do is do a full stall landing, minimum possible airspeed before touching the snow, carry as little energy as you can when breaking through that crusty layer. Always assume there is a crusty layer.
@@SoloRenegade He tried landing on the snow because he had engine trouble and the plane was coming down SOMEWHERE. The snow is better than the trees.
@@neilis2405 Not necessarily. Snow can be worse than trees, depending upon the snow type, what's below the snow, and what kind of trees we're talking about. I fly in some of the most heavily forested and cold snowy regions in the US. Even guys trying to land on snow intentionally here (snow skies, packed snow runways, ice runways, etc.) have flipped their planes on landing.
Great job young man, snow is a unknown landing point, you have know idea how deep it is or what's under it, just glad you lived to fly again! Some don't.
it's snow with a frozen crusty top layer that is what really gets you. the moment the wheels break through that layer it's going to grab and flip you. And snow hides stuff.
Looked as good as it could get to me. I enjoy seeing these guys do a good job. For the guys that always have 14 better ideas it’s a different feeling when something goes wrong at anything over about 40’ AGL than it may seem. I know this from experience not just watching. You start thinking and breathing differently really really quick. Takes a lot of will to stick with what is right and make it out of even a minor emergency. Great job
Well .... you survived it .... that's all that matters at the end of the day. You stayed calm and made a good landing considering the circumstances!
Glad your Ok, great slip to land, nothing you could do about the depth of the snow causing the flip. Hope you get her back in the air soon.
Snow + wheels is bad combo. Depending on snow consistency (wet, hard, soft) as little as 2” can flip a plane or you could getaway with as much as 6”. Skis are a hoot! Get yourself some skis!!! Glad it appears no physical injury!
That's why I always have my winter boots with me when I fly in winter.... gonna be a tough slog wearing those shoes!
1:55 "Post-crash checklist complete."
The same thing happened to me in a Bellanca Scout. I chose to land on the road, not the snow covered field. No damage to my plane.
This ended exactly as expected while trying to land in a snowy field. Easy to say from here, but why did he choose to land in snow? Of course he will flip over.
@@headdown1 he probably didn't have enough airspeed and altitude to make a tight turn to the left/right to line up, and even then he could have probably come in on an angle and slid off the road. also, trees
@@abandonedaccount123 He was at a reasonably high altitude when he crossed the highway, and had plenty of time to turn right or left to line up on it. If he is capable of landing on a runway without coming in on an angle then the highway should be no different.
But it is very easy to be an armchair pilot and speculate like I am doing. He may have had good reasons for doing what he did. They just aren't clear to me.
Maybe your thinking you could have done things differently…. But many things went right. You didn’t stall high. You flew it all the way to the ground. You put shoulder harnesses in your airplane. Good job captain.
I had a forced landing in a Kitfox as well. Broken left landing gear and left wingtip damage. Very lucky indeed!
Credit where its due.........
Not jumping out when miles up!
lel... could have ditched it with parachute and fire extinguishers strapped to his calfs... no? 🤣
He couldn't jump out, he'd forgotten to strap on the fire extinguishers and only had one GoPro.
@@ColinWatters you right. my bad. what was i thinking... ugh. only 1 gopro. what a noob
Glad you're safe! Looks like a terrifying experience. Out of curiosity, why didn't you choose the plowed road?
probably possible powerlines, wouldve been much worse
@@sethking5421 Easier to clip a tree as well. It looks super narrow.
It actually seemed like he was fighting a cross wind. That close to the ground should have told him his wind was wrong without a wind sock or flag. Going around once or twice to see when neutral rudders were good, then flat into the wind before touchdown and allowing for a last 5secs full flaps with harder nose down, and an incredibly low-Speed into soft snow, might have saved plane and pilot damage.
Ouchy! Hope you're alright! Hope your plane is okay. Looking forward to seeing you fly again!🇺🇲
Plane is definitely not ok
Wow, excellent presence of mind to check engine controls and unbuckle for a quick exit. Bummer about the incident.
Glad you made it unscathed from that one. Would not dare to comment on the event as I-m sure you will have plenty of details that are unseen… best of luck getting it up and flying ASAP.
So sorry for you, nice quick reactions to power down and get out. I know it doesn't help but any landing you can walk away from is a good landing.
My instructor once told me any landing i can walk away from is a good landing , any landing i can use the plane again is an excellent landing. Looks like a good landing to me
So true! 👍🏼
I hate that analogy. A good landing is one where you don't crash or damage the airplane, and that landing sucked big time
@@CaptainRon1913 I despise this saying. It's so played out and the fact that people are still saying it is ridiculous.
Well done! Love the speed you switching things off and exited the aircraft!
Great reaction to power everything down before exiting the aircraft, glad you’re okay!
Wrong clothes for winter flying~ Glad to see you jump out so quick. Keep flying~
I'm going to go ahead and assume all the blanks were of colourful language... Glad he lived to share with us this experience.
Great job man, very scary. Where did this take place? Not to armchair quarterback but to ask your opinion, was there anything different you would have done? I saw a road as soon as your engine lost power but it happened so fast were you just looking for a nice open area to put her down? Would really help everyone else to understand your thinking incase this were to ever happen to any of us. Perhaps another video walk through of what your thinking through the flight. Again, awesome job, it all happens so fast. You have way less than time than I think we always think we have.
Excellent way to ask this. Most likely he just wanted to assure he wouldn’t hit any cars and when your mind is racing it’s probably practical to put it i back big field, you are still right tho
He didn't lose power. He was landing. He just stuck his gear in the snow and flipped over.
You are perhaps the nicest guy on TH-cam
@@captaindunsel2806 it does sound like his engine cut out and he was trying to restart it
@@captaindunsel2806 yeah he definitely had power the whole time
Dude. That sucks. I'm so glad you're alive, though.
Good job getting it down as good as you did. This can happen in summer too when landing in crop land. Sometimes the ground is much softer than expected and has same effect.
it's snow with a frozen crusty top layer that is what gets you. the moment the wheels break through that layer it's going to grab and flip you.
@@SoloRenegade even powder can flip a plane if there’s enough of it. Foot and a half and a kitfox wouldn’t stand a chance
Glad you were ok! You definitely had a great sense to power everything down, then get out. What do you think the cause was - snow deeper or crustier than expected, or rate of descent? I've never landed in snow, so I'm trying to understand the conditions. Could have been much worse, so hopefully the kit fox will be flying again!
It was hard to tell from video… but lighting conditions were(looked) poor, no definition between snow…drift or powder or hard pack. Looked like tire dug into softer drift or deep snow…. That’s all it takes. Even going across a lake on a snowmobile it’s hard to tell conditions with these lighting conditions
@@grandenauto3214 as someone from Alaska, snow blindness is a real thing. Been snowmaching up in the mountains and its sometimes hard to tell the difference between a small 1ft bump and a 15ft wall.
@@grandenauto3214 The conditions were visible, especially near touch down when he passed that log, you could see it was soft conditions.
Hey at least you know the ELT works! Glad you’re safe!
Worked for a solid 1.5 seconds!
Did you slip the plane prior to touch down? I assume that might caused the flip over when the wheels made contact with the snow as they were not straight to your flying direction
it's snow with a frozen crusty top layer that is what gets you. the moment the wheels break through that layer it's going to grab and flip you.
best thing you can do is do a full stall landing, minimum possible airspeed before touching the snow, carry as little energy as you can when breaking through that crusty layer. Always assume there is a crusty layer.
Thanks for uploading. Makes me wonder about glass water landings in seaplanes - how you have to set up an attitude and just let her land.
Not enough info to judge but assuming you were on skis and just planned to land in that open field you need some training. You can't just land in a featureless snow covered field like that, you have zero depth perception and no idea of the snow condition. It's the same as a glassy water landing on floats, you need a reference. Carry some pine tree branches or colored rags and drop them along your intended landing spot then make a second pass with power and test the snow by dragging the skis which gives you a further visual reference. You never just go into a field like that and land straight off. Even doing it right there is still a chance you'll get stuck and not be able to take off again. Like I said, get some training, read some books.
Bro just crashed his plane. Chill
@@williammickelson403 Flying airplanes is a really easy way to die if one doesn’t exercise good judgement. If this was not an emergency, there’s a lot of questions needing answering. As a pilot myself, I agree with pi.
@@docholiday7758 not a pilot, but pi mentions "make a second pass with power" when the engine cut off
Wow!! The electrical on that plane could have used a going over. Radios must have been noisy. Did you hear the ELT going off?
Oh that had to hurt some. Glad you are still here
Not sure if you were on wheels or skis, but the flat light is what got you into this situation I think.....really hard to make out ground contours in flat light. Glad you got out safely!
Huh??? Did the lack of engine power not contribute a little bit? ;)
@@troyjollimore4100 - Apparently not. It seems that the uploader stated that the engine was performing correctly and that this was not a forced landing.
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it's snow with a frozen crusty top layer that is what gets you. the moment the wheels break through that layer it's going to grab and flip you.
best thing you can do is do a full stall landing, minimum possible airspeed before touching the snow, carry as little energy as you can when breaking through that crusty layer. Always assume there is a crusty layer.
What strikes me about this most is not the crash, but the importance of knowing completely the terrain you are flying over--and then still not really knowing. I looked at this and wondered, is that snow all on land and not lakes or water? What is under the snow? How thick is the snow? From any height shown it was impossible to answer those questions. There was no "land" or even unused streets visible. Awful situation. Glad it was over so quickly and without apparent injury. Imagine if that had tumbled into pond or something!
Did I see a many mile long paved road? Wires I assume?
Pilots always talk about the bad depth perception with water, especially at night.
But I never heard the topic of depth perception being brought up with snow...
Is that a legitimate concern? I'm not a pilot, but I would imagine it to be tricky....
I'm glad he didn't crash into that ground vehicle at 1:49 - maybe he used that as a reference point for depth perception, because it looked like he aimed straight for that vehicle at the end - might have been just a (scary) coincidence though....
Yup! Plus in these overcast conditions, he would have had flat light. Ain't no way in heck you'd ever be able to accurately judge it. Some people I fly with will carry bags of colored chalk or smoke bombs or something and drop them over the landing area to provide that depth perception.
Was this re uploaded? Could a swore I seen it before. It says Mar 14 2022 though. Kitfox landing in snow flipping over with the loud beeps.
were there skis on the airplane?
was that a rudder control fail that swung the tail abruptly towards the crash landing? Glad you made it okay and even your bird is probably okay minus some repair.
it's snow with a frozen crusty top layer that is what gets you. the moment the wheels break through that layer it's going to grab and flip you.
best thing you can do is do a full stall landing, minimum possible airspeed before touching the snow, carry as little energy as you can when breaking through that crusty layer. Always assume there is a crusty layer.
@@SoloRenegade Thanks for sharing! Makes sense 👍
Okay. Totally goofy question coming from me:
From this angle, I can basically see no superstructure connecting the left wing to the right. It's as though the base of each wing just connects to the outerside shell of the cockpit (skin?) and that's good enough.
Somehow, even though it obviously works, it just doesn't seem strong enough.
I'd have expected to see lightweight I-beam type structures running straight through the ceiling of the cockpit, going on out to and through the core of each wing. But, nope!
How can planes do looping maneuvers with the wings just connected to the skin surface of the plane?
Mind blown.
It doesn’t need to be extremely strong as the NE speed (never exceed) on these planes is fairly low. I’m not totally sure what the structure is called on these.
But, aerobatic planes usually have different structures, you get monocoque, semi monocoque and some others I can’t remember but all the loads are calculated and monocoque designs have all the weight transferred into the skin surrounding the plane so it’s not as harsh as you would think!
@@coben9566 amazing!
Mind blown
Okay, unless it’s a cantilevered wing, such as the Cessna 210, or Cardinal, whose wing spar travels through the top of the fuselage, virtually all high wing airplanes are built this way. The load is shared with the wing strut, and the triangular brace is extremely strong.
Theres no spar carry thru because the wings are strutted.
On a cantilever wing, the centre section has to transfer all of the lifting load to the fuselage, plus the bending force of the wing.
In a strutted design the lifting force is split between the wing struts and the wing root attach.. and the bending force is just compression at the top (the one sideways tube at the front and one that the camera is probably mounted on at the back) and tension on the struts (which is far greater) that passes through the floor structure.
It makes for a lot lighter structure compared to cantilever, but at the expense of drag.
The rest of the tubes in the ceiling are to keep it true.
@@calvinnickel9995 can these do outside loops? Especially carrying through at the lower end of the outside loop?
Admittedly an extremely example. But, I am trying to change the direction of tension on that setup. In order to see how strong that is, I guess.
Were you having engine trouble forcing the landing? Or, was there more snow than you thought causing the plane to flip?
Looks like he tried to wheel land it in the snow. Just like touching down on water with your wheels down in an Anphib... instant trip over!
Were you purposly landing there, or did you loose power? Glad your ok and rebuilding?
Keep your chin up. There’s only 2 kinds of pilots… those that play off airport and know shit happens and those who sit online and tell everyone what an expert they are and how they’ve never bent a plane… flying off a 5,000 ft runway on perfect days. Learn something and move on. The best pilots in history have wrecked planes.
As one behind the online wall, wish to get my ppl one day, I agree.
will you be fitting big fat tyres or preferably skis next time?
Holy crap. Glad you are okay. You came very close to Instrument Face there. I guess the snow was a lot deeper than it looked.
Amazing work, considering the situation you found yourself in. Not only was the ground covered in snow, but the sky was as white as the ground. This makes putting the nose as the correct attitude almost impossible. As for people commenting, he should have ditched on the road. That would be a terrible idea. Roads surprising as this might seem make terrible runaways for ditching aircraft. Far to many obsticles and steep turns. This guy made the right choice and chose to ditch in a nice open field with plenty of soft snow i cushion the impact.
I'm sorry this happened but you are ok , that all that matters . Hope your aircraft is repairable and able to fly again .
What was the context if I may ask? Was this just a bush landing or forced landing? I thought they were going to clip the last fence line. Which made me think forced landing short...
Glad you’re ok!! Would you mind to share what happened?
the way you switch off power at the end -wow
Nice job. Too bad the snow tripped you up. Would have had little or no damage most of the year. Glad you're OK!
it's snow with a frozen crusty top layer that is what gets you. the moment the wheels break through that layer it's going to grab and flip you.
best thing you can do is do a full stall landing, minimum possible airspeed before touching the snow, carry as little energy as you can when breaking through that crusty layer. Always assume there is a crusty layer.
Glad you're alright man. Thank you for sharing
Great controlled landing, I got concerned with the approaching treeline, but you judged it spot on...
Most important thing is you are ok, the plane can fix...
I fly over water most times, so my ending ent never going to be a happy one..
Terrible landing. He choose a snowy field, with predictable results. Why not land on the highway if it is an emergency? And why land with without skies on snow if there is an alternative? Or did he have skis? I don't understand his decision making. Good job on shutdown after crash. Glad he is okay and will fly again.
@@headdown1 theres active traffic??????
@headdown1 You answered your question.....We obviously don't know all the facts and we all know putting a plane down on snow is problematic, therefore we just need to celebrate his survival, wish that we can be as lucky and move on...
@@carlosasher-leon4879 I think I did say that I was glad he survived and would fly again. Maybe you missed that part.
As for me "moving on", I think I had done that, had I not? What is your point exactly?
I am a private pilot and I naturally speculate about why he did what he did, like any other pilot watching this video.
I guess I will "move on" now. Again.
@@devonyt5501 I looked closely at the video again, and the highway looks pretty quiet. Less cars than all of your exclamation points. :)
Good job landing. You got as slow as you could
did the engine quit? or just bad landing? why did it flip over? deep snow? it looked like you were crabbing too
Everyone seems to assume this was a forced landing caused by engine trouble. Could OP please confirm that this wasn’t just a mishap on a (badly) planned off-field landing attempt?
OP states in a reply below that the engine was fine. Not sure the context of the off field landing.
All i see is a terrible unstable approach, hitting the ground while banking left and sideslipping - not even a proper flare. But yes...he did great on power everything off before exited the airplane!
Why'd you slip so much just to barely clear the trees and then failed to hold the plane off the snow in flare?
well at least you didn't immediately bail out at the first sign of trouble lol
Does there really need to be audible alarm that your airplane crashed? I don't think you need an alarm for that...
Not bad, captain. I can think of a LOT of different endings that are not nearly as happy as flipping a 1400 pound airplane in 3 feet of soft snow.
What was the reason for making that emergency landing? Engine was still running!
Good work getting it in. Can’t help what happens next ......
Glad your ok.
Slipping upon landing and skis caught?
Don't know what swear word you used when crash landing, but the minions would say "Pukka!"
Was this a forced landing?? If not.. I would encourage you to get some more instruction prior to going back up. After something like that, there are always learning points. Plus, it will help you to regain your confidence.
Was that some sort of crash alarm at the end?
Can I feature this clip in my project with credit? Thanks!
@flightmode254 what kind of project you have going on?
crusty snow. I keep telling people, the moment you break through the top crust, it's going over. Got to touch down with minimal airspeed (full stall touchdown) to minimize the energy you carry into it.
You did about as good as you can hope for.
Whats up with the on and off sound effects?
hell nice save man youre alive
How bad was the walk?
Better could be impossible, great job keeping the descend with speed, good you are okay!
Did you have skis on the plane?
Glad you're okay! Good job controlling the approach and landing.
Was he yawing right before crashing? Cross wind?
wow! hard to know when your choice of fields can only be those covered in snow. Good job.
Everytime I think about signing up for my ppl for fun I watch one of these videos and save myself 12 grand haha
Glad you're ok! Was this an engine failure?
I guess those roads were unavailable?
Why the hell did you bank left at the last moment? Maybe I'm missing something but it seemed to cause the rollover.
I don’t understand what happened. It didn’t look like a forced landing. Was this a willful attempt at landing in a snow covered field?
dumb question what you think the speed was when he crashes, I say about 60 mph or less?
Ok, Im no pilot....Once I realized your attempting to land in a snow covered field, my instant thought was "wonder how deep that snow is?".....Why would you try to land without knowing the "conditions"?
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could have been worse my friend! i liked how quickly you got out of thered
well done mate you are alive...but i see a lot of mistakes here...anyway you are alive and thats the first thing....
I’m glad you’re okay, but if I may ask, why did you choose to land on a field without knowing how deep the snow was? I could understand if it was an emergency landing, but it looked and sounded like the engine was running fine.
engines can stop producing thrust but will still run
@@devonyt5501 Looks to me like he was making normal throttle adjustments on final approach. It's ambiguous.