SEIKO 8L35 Teardown - READING Your Comments And ANSWERING Questions
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ธ.ค. 2021
- In this video I'm responding to viewer comments on my 8L35 teardown video. As the comments section was pretty lively, I thought I'd do a live video covering them again and going to some more depth.
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Thanks for all the movement info all in one video Adrian. Rare to find an expert giving so much knowledge.
No worries.
Solid value-add video … thanks for what you’re doing. 👏
Thanks!
Great to see and listen to your insights Adrian! Salutari din Romania! ;)
Bine bine multsumesc!
O…and awesome video. Appreciate all the insight!
cheers for the video, Adrian.
Just for clarification, it may come off to some viewers that I've gone off SEIKO totally as a brand. Simply not true. As I repeated multiple times in the video I just think the 8L35 is poor value for money when presented with the logistics of the total cost of ownership of an 8L35 based watch. My goal was to have a balanced view of the cost vs. performance vs. repairability nexus.
What’s your opinion on the Seiko 5106 movement? It’s complicated and seems so well thought out, but no movement doesn’t have its weaknesses.
nothing wrong with callin it as you see it mate. FWIW with a bit of tweaking on the lever I've managed to get my 4R36 to be -8 sec a day ... which I'm comfortable with. I'll leave it for a few more weeks and see if it drifts. Even if it stays at -8sec a day that's quite sufficient
nice work on your channel ... thanks!
Hi Adrian, totally agree with you mate. Great videos.
I wish you did more videos, I really enjoy your content.
Thanks, working on it, hopefully more this year. I was pretty time poor for most of last year.
Great to see a new video from your channel, Adrian.
I completely agree with you on the value proposition of modern Seiko (and many other watch brands for that matter). I do believe that once you purchase something, it belongs to you and you should be able to get it serviced yourself or take it to whomever you trust to do the job.
Is this behavior from manufacturers merly a result of them wanting to make the most profit?
I'm into vintage HiFi, and it always amazes me to find full schematics and technical manuals out there for equipment much more complex than modern mechanical watches. Why can't it be like thst anymore?
Anyway, looking forward to the release of the KS buckles, I'll definitely need a couple of those.
It's just because the brands want to control the product from the cradle to grave and extract the most amount of money from you. There's no reason why, for example, the 8L series or the current Rolex and Omega movements cannot be serviced by any competent watchmaker.
Thank you you just saved me a grip of money and headache i personally dont want to send my watch across the ocean for repairs or service. Part of the enjoyment of ownership is the relationship you have with your local trusted repair shop. Would you buy a toyota if you had to send it to Japan for repairs. I think not. I will be sticking with my Seiko willard spb153. A little over priced but i absolutely love it.
Thanks will stick with my King Turtle no MM300 for me
With positional adjustment at night within a second for three weeks at 700aud for the Japan version
From a mechanics point of view all your points are spot on. But this is a hobby of passion and with that some practicality goes out the window. Car people know Alfa Romeos are terrible cars but that doesn’t stop people from lusting after them. Or fantasizing about driving them on a sunny day in south of France. You accept some inconvenience in order to have some things you want. Is that ideal? No. But how many things in life are perfect?
Here is a question. If you could service/repair it and you had full OEM support would you charge the same price for a 7s and it’s derivatives as you would for an 8l35? Based on everything you said it shouldn’t be much different. It’s simple with less parts. I don’t think you would. I think you would ride the “premium” train a charge more.
I do agree with you that due to a lot of ignorance there is some major overblown hype on these. At the current +\-$3k price these are at in 2024 they are much more expensive then they used to be, but so is everything else. A Sub is $9500, in that light an sbdx017 or whatever for $2500 street price is way less. Not as good but 8/10s there. Certainly a great deal for me because it ticks all the other boxes. And if I have to send it to Japan once every 7 years. So what. It’s not a car that needs a service every few months.
I charge a fixed rate for 3 hander and 3 hander chronometer, so it would be 3 hand chronometer rate if OEM parts were available.
You do you, if you don't mind sending it to Japan every service cycle, then cool.
My main point is what you get for your money. The marketing around these movements pushes them as something mythical, and they simply aren't.
That aside, I have a real problem with OEM manufacturers trying to control your watch from the cradle to the grave. SEIKO isn't alone in this, several of the other big brands do it as well. It significantly reduces the freedom you have to do what you want with your property, for no other reason that straight up profits for the OEM.
Some people know I'm part of the Right to repair movement and strongly believe you should be able to choose your repairer. Without technical information and parts available, the OEM can choose to kill your product at any time they like. It may be within 10 years, may be 20, who knows. Also, without the parts out there, the aftermarket will not be able to fix your watch when that happens. It's a very nasty problem waiting to happen. There will be no vintage scene for these watches.
I got the SLA043, beautiful watch. Great to learn about the movement inside. Crazy how Seiko dont offer parts for service in Australia.
I have the 043 as well. Does the watch send ro Japan for service?
@@randallk2556 yes sent to japan
@@sandsoftime3248 thanks bro
Love your channel by the way ❤
Very informative. I take your point about the servicing and the regulators may bring in some reforms. Talking about value proposition that is why some people say the GS Spring Drive technology is great value because you rarely have to have these watches serviced (because it uses the quartz crystal to control the balance spring and has less parts). What are thoughts on this? Cheers.
You'll still be up for 5-7 year services with a spring drive because the oils do dry out or are consumed, just like in your car.
That said, with the quartz oscillator, in theory, you should have less drift on the regulation. I don't have one and don't get them through here so have no bench experience or observations on them. I wouldn't be able to take them because SEIKO don't make parts available unfortunately.
Watching every video Adrian
Any idea what the amplitude should be on a 8L35 should be? I have a piece with 0 beat rate error and lift rate angle of 52. Watch is running 40 seconds fast
Tudor MT5612 versus Seiko 8L35B what are your thoughts?
Seiko 8L35 is a good movement (diver), doesn’t need a lot of adjustments, just under a chronometer grade, just treat it kindly, it’ll be +/- 10-15 ... if you want more, go Pelagos, or Grand Seiko, Omega, Rolex. I always figure I’m also buying the service network too, therefore Rolex is the tops in the US. I hear a lot of “stuff” about Seiko, so I just bought one; hell, let Hodinkee & others haggle on the phone. Until Seiko refines it’s service section, I’ll go Swiss (Rolex) anyday!
Agree, it's a good movement. My only criticism is the lack of spares and technical information being available to independent repairers like myself. There is nothing magic about the movement or anything that requires special handling. it's simply an effort to control the product from cradle to grave.
I have a 8L55....i guess its better than 8L35....runs to +15 seconds per day......painful.What do you think about it???Regards.....
I didn't see an 8L35 anywhere in his room during this video. 😕
Hello there! You serviced a 1968 5126 based Seiko 5 of mine a couple of years back. Excellent work.
Good to know that you are able to work on some of the newer movements. I have a SARB 017 that is due here in a few months that I would consider sending your way, if you were so obliged.
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Any of the 7S derived movements are no problems parts wise. 8L I can do if there's nothing wrong with it.
Many thanks for the presentation. I must say I was brainwashed by seiko fanboys into believing that the 8L35 to be better than rolex/omega movements. I think the truth is that a lot of people cannot afford to buy a rolex so they buy the Seiko and brag that the MM300 is a better watch than Rolex Submariner... this is a bit pathetic and sad i must admit. You also opened my eyes on Seiko's strategy, it markets itself as a value per dollar watch but in the end it's the Japanese who are the best at marketing not the Swiss lol
Geday, All of that is a fair statement. The 8L35 is a good, mid-range movement but it's not comparable to a Rolex or Omega movement. The level of finish on a Rolex or Omega is higher. Both the Rolex and Omega have free sprung balances with better regulation systems, so the comparison really drops dead right there. The flat hairspring with a regulator arm does drift, regulation wise, simply because through vibration and shock, it's very common for the regulator arm to move slightly. Also the free sprung (or Breguet style balance) is better because it oscillates more evenly than a flat balance spring, which will tilt up and down slightly during compression and expansion. So we just have to call it for what it is "A solid, workhorse mid range movement". Again the TCO is screwed up on all 3 due to lack of spare parts availability.
Emmmm, dont take this as an offence but how the hell you believed 8l35 is better than movements from Omega or Rolex. I paid $2200 for used mm300 and i love the watch but theres no single guy on the planet to convince me that is better than Omega or Rolex. I just wanted something different because i already have a watch with 2824 movement and all other offers in that price range were watches with a same old 2824.
@@aurelianobuendia5360 yep, paying 2200 USD for a used 8L35 when you could buy a preowned Omega 8500/8900, seriously I’m tired of Seiko fanboys like you, jog on mate
@@Aztec1050 Lmao how the hell im fanboy when i already said that nobody can convince me that 8l35 is better than omega not even mentioning rolex. Btw where can i buy omega with 8900 for 2k
@@Aztec1050 Plus dont be that mad for being potato to believe 8l35 is better than Omega :DDD
One thing to perhaps help make the value-prop point more black and white, is to give some $$ insight to what the two paths would look like for a ‘nothing broken’ full service. One path back to Seiko, the other a reputable repair shop. If anyone has an invoice for back-to-base service, could you share the bottom line? The right to repair path may need to factor in sourcing the star driver and rotor tool, but otherwise, time, cleaning chemicals and lube seems run of the mill?
SEIKO service costs are fairly competitive. They have a calculator here - www.seikoserviceusa.com/pages/serviceprice/
That said, with most vintage stuff, they either do a half arse job and send it back or send it back saying they can't repair it. Which is where myself and a few others come in. I prefer to respond to quotes on a case by case basis as there are a lot of variables with case/cosmetic parts, but I have a fixed rate on the movement depending on the type. As I adjust them every so often with inflation, I don't advertise it unless you contact me otherwise you could see a price from 5 years ago.
On modern calibers, they usually just do a movement swap which keeps the price down.
The result you get from the SEIKO service centers, from what I've seen, is variable, as in somewhere between really good or terrible.
Great content. I appreciate your views about this movement, but my love for this watch remains unaltered (maybe I am more a Corolla man after all). Your criticism of Seiko's policy to not sell parts is spot on, and many brands are guilty as well (Stowa is a company that deserves praise for its opposite approach to customer service). As for serviceability of the 8l35 in the (very) long term, it is reassuring to know that it is a rather ordinary movement without any exotic material. In the future, I sincerely hope that independent watchmakers like you will be able to remanufacture parts that are not available or sold by the manufacturer. (Another unanswered question would be about why Seiko uses the 8l35 mainly for dive watches. This is also part of the myth.)
I have the opportunity to buy an sagq007 bright phoenix. Pickung up information (i haven't been into seiko at all) i found these informations about service problems, lack of availability in parts. I love the watch for the looks but i don't want to get in trouble with it. It was made in 2010 and hasent been opened yet as far as i know.
Thanks for any helpfull informations and opinions.
more than zero
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