ive read "what is property","mutual aid","conquest of bread",and "anarchsyndicalism" and a few others and this is by far the most articulate classic anarchist literature ive come across.
thank you, useful information, it can be hard sorting out what to listen,I have listened to most of what you have and that is good praise indeed for this book
Me as well. It was during the pandemic that I was alone and had time to reflect on society as a whole. This lead me to the realisation that hierarchical coercion is not only unnecessary for but a hindrance to the flourishing of the human race.
@Adolf Stalin Best way to think of Trump was that, if he wasn't a fascist, he certainly functioned like one, courted their interests, invited them, and stoked their sentiments. Regardless of whether he was, he should be approached as such functionally.
@Adolf Stalin You seem to be defining fascism as being somewhat liberal and anti-semitic.. and that's not how it works. You were right about the nationalism and authoritarianism parts. Authoritarian in character, though it might sell itself as the opposite. There's always some class(es) that get(s) scapegoated, but there's nothing necessitating that they're Jewish. You could say it's more a sort of intense ideological and rhetorical approach to politics: A bold and charismatic leader speaks to the anxiety of a selective populous, citing a conspiratorial threat eroding and perverting their culture (and/or heritage/race).. calling for a rebirth of renewed strong national identity. Much like an abusive relationship, they will begin to create wedges in who is pure and can be trusted and who can't. Enemies will rhetorically be paradoxically deemed too weak of mind/body/character/will/constitution to be worthy, yet too strong and capable to not treat with outright hostility. There is an encouraged and practically cult level of esteem for heroism, tradition, and action, or simply, "might makes right." Likewise, they will be anti-intellectual, and fiercely opposed to any institution capable of understanding or demonstrating if the movement is wrong about something... the news, the colleges, the previous party's military, etc. I'll share some links that further elaborate if you're interested. The first two are videos which explain precisely where Trump/MAGA falls into the dynamic. th-cam.com/video/5Luu1Beb8ng/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/X4G7asMHqZ4/w-d-xo.html For more resources on fascism in general: www-personal.umich.edu/~rsc/Editorials/fascism.html www.openculture.com/2016/11/umberto-eco-makes-a-list-of-the-14-common-features-of-fascism.html www.britannica.com/topic/fascism en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palingenetic_ultranationalism
@@simoncollins6529 The US government keeps tabs on people who consume left-wing media and speak in left-wing circled, it's a known fact. They're bringing this into the real world right now by blackbagging protestors in Portland. They blackbag them, take their prints and IDs, then dump them in the street. Nothing I've said is conspiracy theory, nothing I've said is speculation. These are facts which have been widely reported and recorded. Whether THIS specific audio book is enough to land someone on a watch list is questionable, but extended consumption of left-wing news, entertainment and literature will absolutely get an agent looking into you, at least briefly. This is why it's important for left-wingers to understand encryption, VPNs, data destruction, et cetera. This country has prosecuted and persecuted the left before and they're likely to do it again. This is not even to mention the unknown percentage of leftists who have actual plans for insurrection which the state wouldn't even need to change anything to prosecute.
Yeah they really seem to care so much when Antifa commits Arson, vandalism, assaults civilians and political dissidents, grow up the FBI only ever care about trump supporters and “HUwhiTe sUpreMacisTs”
"Communism" and "anarchy" are the same goal- a state of people without need for authority, where each gets what they need equally. If you read Marx, and most of the early socialists, you will realize that the ultimate goals of true communists and of anarchists is the same- for the workers to win the class struggle and abolish the state and the class society. It was on the tactics to get to this state that Marx and Bakunin disagreed. The true communism is not a centralized state, but an anarchist society of federated communities.
WRONG. Anarchists are about each individual being free to live their lives as they choose, as long as they cause no harm> Anarchism and Communism may seem similar, but they are exact opposites.
In a communist state you need a STRONG state to impose it, which is completely contrary to anarchy ideology. While communists and socialists wants communitarianism the anarchists want individualism.
Classic Max in order to implement communist ideas, you have to define a ruler, almost nobody wants to work to give the benefit to others and the way to distribute or eliminate private property is by coercion as it was in the communist tries of sovient union, Mao's China, Cuba or similar countries. By definition communism have no state, but the idea cannot be implemented without a ruler.
Either you are an Anarchist or you are not. AnCaps for example are capitalists/Plutocrats. Does anybody actually study or understand Anarchy these days? Keep learning, and stop redefining what you don't understand.
@Sean Hollibaugh So you disagree with Malatesta's definition? No Ancap would describe themselves as being plutocrats... so that's just a strawman. They would argue that a capitalist system would actually decrease oppressive hierarchies by forcing firms to compete with other firms to provide the best service at the cheapest price... which would only benefit the most oppressed and most lowest income people in a given society.
@@vaderx2000Rand was for individual liberty.. What's so bad about that? .. i think there should be a safety net for those who need it but even in very early history free people had to go out hunting and gathering just to eat, these days we work and exchange skills for capital to buy the food modern day "capitalism" is very controlled to boost the elites and keep down normal people, so it's not true free market economy like Rand wanted, where everyone has a fair chance to build the lives they want to without interference from others or the State etc
Great outline and an in-depth summary of what anarchy means as well as explains the difference thank you for the upload. Also govern means to rule ment means the mind so rule the mind equals government and as the say cut off the head and the body will follow! Welcome to Zombie apocalypse zombie apocalypse is in theaters near you! The show is about to begin and hell have no fury on the wickedness of this world for it will be destroyed and many will perish and so it is and so it goes get your popcorn you zombies
@51:00 it sums up my experience of this book. I paraphrase slightly - "IF/Should people claim ownership of the tools (factories, land, inventory, capital equipment, etc.) of their trade (from the company that officially owns them and provided them on the condition that said ownership is respected) ... IF/should people rise up in solidarity against those whose "economic privilege" is the background condition that allowed them to provide those tools ... IF/Should people refuse to participate in wars between nations and national boundaries ... then once we have abolished property and the government that defends property rights, must disappear. " Those are both some tremendous "IFs" - If people suddenly agreed on so much and at the same time that they void the idea of property on which our society is built - somehow... and - if people then agreed about who gets to use every resource in existence, all the time without conflict, and without the idea of property rights to resolve disputes about who gets to use what, when (because there is no conflict of interest around anything...) - somehow... THEN, anarchism without property will work. This is a mind bogglingly utopian vision of human beings, and the "somehow"s involved are beyond staggering. It is like trying to understand how many stars there are in the universe, or suggesting that if all the atoms in my hands and a wall lined up at the same time, I could pass my hand through the wall without touching it. It is very different than private police/security/courts resolving property disputes outside of government.
"The man who puts all the guns and all the decision making power into the hands of government and then says, 'Limit Yourself'; it is he who is truly the impractical utopian." -Murray N. Rothbard
@@MoonChildMedia ”We are not anarchists, and those who call us anarchists are not on firm etymological ground, and are being completely unhistorical because all anarchists have socialistic elements in their doctrines and possess socialistic economic doctrines in common.” - Murray Rothbard
This book should be a must read in school, that is a school for over men. In a school of slaves this is blasphemy. A man is good if he bends over to others, offers the other cheek, and tolerating injustice perpetrated by bullies all awhile standing by doing nothing. A good boy stands aside and holds his tongue. The bullies always ruled. The weak always bend. Rules of natural selection.
The criticisms of the structure I feel are a fair argument, but I anarchy does not define itself enough to say how it could benefit society. It’s based on a premise that there is no greed or bad in people while the evidence is abundant that there is. Anarchy would lead to tribal societies that will probably be at constant conflict. A peaceful community with no governing body is impossible. I believe a government is necessary but only to be a buffer for society. As for culture and communities, that is up to the collective people to decide. The government should be enforcing protections of individual rights. Although our government has issues, without it, our society would ultimately collapse. Do I think government needs to be bond? Yes and by the consent of the people, not corporations. I do not believe in plutocracy. I do believe in a free and fair market but there should be laws to keep money out of the government. Will that happen? Probably not but one can hope. I believe in a free market within a democratic republic not a democratic republic within a free market.
This idea that humans are not greedy or evil is simply untrue and theres literally no evidence to back it up. This video (th-cam.com/video/e27RVFxNOcc/w-d-xo.html) does a good job explaining we have this distorted view and what human nature could mean, if it does mean anything.
Anarchy is defined as without government. It can be leftist or right, centrist or democratic. Just like communism defines itself in many ways like the difference between maoist china and the Soviet union. Anarchy branches in this fashion but over a broader spectrum. This book only narrows to a leftist form of anarchy and not much further. I think this books is to leftist anarchy as mao tse-tungs on contradiction is to maoist china. It's a sort of base platform, not meant to be overbearing or super specific except in regards to certain ideas necessary for the construction of this type of social structure.
@@trakeC yes but anarchists defined it further as socialism also. Basically no government and society simply takes care of itself by people living for the interest of the community willingly and without government.
@@PeteCannellasSound my point was you can't just call all anarchists anarchists... Do libertarians define their form of anarchy as socialism? No they don't. The statement you just made dosnt make any sense. Socialism is generally refered to as when the government collects taxes and redistributes the money out to social programs like fire fighter, police, healthcare. Most forms of anarchy are fundamentally opposed to government and would not define anarchy as socialism
@@moytta122 that's a solid link. However I am not sure how that video means humans are not greedy or evil. If anything it lays out how we all have the capacity for those things. So if you were saying "not inherently so" but have the capacity for it; then I agree with you. If you were hard lining saying that humans have to be evil and greedy then you didn't listen to that whole video 🤔
In a communist state you need a STRONG state to impose it, which is completely contrary to anarchy ideology. While communists and socialists wants communitarianism the anarchists want individualism. In order to make socialist/communist machine working high taxes or abusive measures needs to be imposed in order to maintain that kind of governments.
@@laas29 Read. The. Fucking. Literature. You. Blasted. MORON MUH I NEED MUH STATE TO ENFORCE MUH GOMMUNISM 18281817272 DED PEEPOL LOLOLOL WATCH ME LIKE MY OWN COMMENT AND SHOW MY POLITICAL ILLITERACY ON EVEN THE MOST BASIC OF IDEOLOGICAL TOPICS.
@@laas29 Not really. That's Leninism which is a specific kind of communism which most other communists wouldn't accept as a form of communism because it violates the definition of socialism: workers owning the means of production and controlling them democratically.
A plead for humanity and social equality versus the selfish human nature is a contradiction in terms. This age, the age of the masses is proof of what happens when the teacher leaves the class in an emergency, the class turns to anarchy. The bullies take over and enforce hedonism, the more primitive side takes over. The students should continue learning or even elect the smartest student to tutor the rest. But this hardly ever happens.
+Lone Human have you understood the content of this text? Im really confused by your comments. In a book dealing with anarchy as a concept you the word in correctly!
such things they have learnt from their teachers, their parents/carers and the media. Take the democratic schools; such as the one where all the worse behaving students from schools in the are/country go only to become successful and well behaved students, it is in england I think, or that other famous one. There the students have rights and responsibilities. They discuss and vote on school policy. They organise events, they organise their own time and decide what they learn and how they do it, and whom they do it with. Boyinaband has a video on part of it. You say students cannot reach a state of anarchy wherein they respect one another, work together, and discuss things before making decisions affecting them all. It is so, but that is not inevitable, and it is not the fault of the children, but of the authoritarian school system, among other things, which never teaches them that such a state could be., or how it might be made.
هذه عقيدتي السياسية .....الدولة ليست اختراعا تاريخيا اكتمل بنيانه وقواعده مع تطور الزمن .....الدولة ليست ( حادثة accident. ) تاريخية عرضية .....الدولة حتمية ملازمة للوجود البشري منذ لحظته الاولى .....ادم Adam هو اول دولة في التاريخ ....تم ميلاد المعارضة وميلاد اليمين واليسار ....تم ميلاد ذلك كله امام ( الشجرة المحرمة ) منذ ان وقف ادم امامها مفكرا في اختياراته السيادية ........لم يوجد قط شيئ اسمه ( المجتمع الطبيعي ) السابق على وجود المجتمع او سابق على وجود الدولة ....ولن يوجد ابدا مجتمع طبيعي لاحق على وجود الدولة ......يكفي اجتماع ثلاثة او اربعة اشخاص في ظرف زمكاني واحد كي تنبثق ( السلطة ) و تنبثق ( القيادة ) انبثاقا تلقائيا يجسد طبائع هؤلاء الاشخاص الاربعة ويجسد قابليات واستعدادات كل واحد منهم ليكون تابعا او متبوعا ......
@@vaderx2000 "blind" utopianism, as in imagining a utopia (some sort of anarcho syndicalist workers' bureaucracy in his case lmao) with no actual methodological, political etc consequences
@@tristanreynolds5135 The consequences of his brand of anarcho-syndicalism would be taking privilege away from the enormously wealthy private sector and placing it in the hands of the proletariat, and placing this power in the hands of the proletariat would affect society greatly and help rid society of a wealthy few acting solely in their own interests. Chomsky kinda sucks at explaining this well , but “anarcho-syndicalism: theory and practice” by rudolf rocker would work. I’m not saying “educate yourself!” like upper middle class white girls on twitter do, but Rudolf Rocker would be a lot more educational than chomsky.
ive read "what is property","mutual aid","conquest of bread",and "anarchsyndicalism" and a few others and this is by far the most articulate classic anarchist literature ive come across.
Oh dear God, I bet your fun at a party
@@simoncollins6529 you’re literally on an audiobook for anarchist theory
thank you, useful information, it can be hard sorting out what to listen,I have listened to most of what you have and that is good praise indeed for this book
What about Anarchism and other essays by Emma Goldman. Pretty good and basic too
@@jackr2500 😅😅😅 so very well put
The rise of fascism during this past year of the plague piqued my interest in anarchism
Me as well. It was during the pandemic that I was alone and had time to reflect on society as a whole. This lead me to the realisation that hierarchical coercion is not only unnecessary for but a hindrance to the flourishing of the human race.
@Adolf Stalin He may not have been a fascist, but he certainly used white nationalist rhetoric and kissed up to them.
@Adolf Stalin Best way to think of Trump was that, if he wasn't a fascist, he certainly functioned like one, courted their interests, invited them, and stoked their sentiments. Regardless of whether he was, he should be approached as such functionally.
@Adolf Stalin You seem to be defining fascism as being somewhat liberal and anti-semitic.. and that's not how it works. You were right about the nationalism and authoritarianism parts. Authoritarian in character, though it might sell itself as the opposite. There's always some class(es) that get(s) scapegoated, but there's nothing necessitating that they're Jewish.
You could say it's more a sort of intense ideological and rhetorical approach to politics:
A bold and charismatic leader speaks to the anxiety of a selective populous, citing a conspiratorial threat eroding and perverting their culture (and/or heritage/race).. calling for a rebirth of renewed strong national identity. Much like an abusive relationship, they will begin to create wedges in who is pure and can be trusted and who can't. Enemies will rhetorically be paradoxically deemed too weak of mind/body/character/will/constitution to be worthy, yet too strong and capable to not treat with outright hostility.
There is an encouraged and practically cult level of esteem for heroism, tradition, and action, or simply, "might makes right." Likewise, they will be anti-intellectual, and fiercely opposed to any institution capable of understanding or demonstrating if the movement is wrong about something... the news, the colleges, the previous party's military, etc.
I'll share some links that further elaborate if you're interested.
The first two are videos which explain precisely where Trump/MAGA falls into the dynamic. th-cam.com/video/5Luu1Beb8ng/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/X4G7asMHqZ4/w-d-xo.html
For more resources on fascism in general:
www-personal.umich.edu/~rsc/Editorials/fascism.html
www.openculture.com/2016/11/umberto-eco-makes-a-list-of-the-14-common-features-of-fascism.html
www.britannica.com/topic/fascism
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palingenetic_ultranationalism
i am Canadian but previous to becoming an anarchist a few months ago thanks to a book by Peter Kropotkin called “the conquest of bread”
Awesome upload, thankyou for posting.
I've listened to this . I know know I will be on some sort of watch list , thanks Uncle Sam .
Er.... Nope. I doubt if anyone gives a crap about your playground wanna be revolutionary fantasies
@@simoncollins6529 The US government keeps tabs on people who consume left-wing media and speak in left-wing circled, it's a known fact. They're bringing this into the real world right now by blackbagging protestors in Portland. They blackbag them, take their prints and IDs, then dump them in the street. Nothing I've said is conspiracy theory, nothing I've said is speculation. These are facts which have been widely reported and recorded.
Whether THIS specific audio book is enough to land someone on a watch list is questionable, but extended consumption of left-wing news, entertainment and literature will absolutely get an agent looking into you, at least briefly. This is why it's important for left-wingers to understand encryption, VPNs, data destruction, et cetera. This country has prosecuted and persecuted the left before and they're likely to do it again. This is not even to mention the unknown percentage of leftists who have actual plans for insurrection which the state wouldn't even need to change anything to prosecute.
@@simoncollins6529 People sure did seem to give a crap when anarchists were rioting during the american BLM protests
@@simoncollins6529 tell that to the black panthers
Yeah they really seem to care so much when Antifa commits Arson, vandalism, assaults civilians and political dissidents, grow up the FBI only ever care about trump supporters and “HUwhiTe sUpreMacisTs”
"Communism" and "anarchy" are the same goal- a state of people without need for authority, where each gets what they need equally. If you read Marx, and most of the early socialists, you will realize that the ultimate goals of true communists and of anarchists is the same- for the workers to win the class struggle and abolish the state and the class society. It was on the tactics to get to this state that Marx and Bakunin disagreed. The true communism is not a centralized state, but an anarchist society of federated communities.
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WRONG. Anarchists are about each individual being free to live their lives as they choose, as long as they cause no harm> Anarchism and Communism may seem similar, but they are exact opposites.
In a communist state you need a STRONG state to impose it, which is completely contrary to anarchy ideology. While communists and socialists wants communitarianism the anarchists want individualism.
That's the problem with Leninism. Lenin just took everything Marx said and was like "fuck this shit, I'll make my own communism"
Classic Max in order to implement communist ideas, you have to define a ruler, almost nobody wants to work to give the benefit to others and the way to distribute or eliminate private property is by coercion as it was in the communist tries of sovient union, Mao's China, Cuba or similar countries. By definition communism have no state, but the idea cannot be implemented without a ruler.
Either you are an Anarchist or you are not. AnCaps for example are capitalists/Plutocrats. Does anybody actually study or understand Anarchy these days? Keep learning, and stop redefining what you don't understand.
anarchist or antichrist or commudragon!
Malatesta says that Anarchy is simply no government. So how exactly are Ancaps for government?
@Sean Hollibaugh So you disagree with Malatesta's definition?
No Ancap would describe themselves as being plutocrats... so that's just a strawman. They would argue that a capitalist system would actually decrease oppressive hierarchies by forcing firms to compete with other firms to provide the best service at the cheapest price... which would only benefit the most oppressed and most lowest income people in a given society.
I find it hilarious that this dude uses Malatesta, an avowed communist anarchist, to argue in defense of AnCapism. The irony is too much for me.
@@thesamsin read beyond the first section
I may not always agree with Anarchists, but I deeply respect them.
can't say the same about maoists :( the us maoist groups i've seen have absolutely sucked
@@caramel7050 wow, that is very sectarian, you do not respect maoists you never met
Sorry, but i can not say same about MLM. I hate statist.
one of my fave books.
8 people are ancaps i suppose.
Imagine thinking you’re gonna get some ancap like Ayn Rand talking about anarchy and you get Malatesta lmaooo.
yeah like, who else would voluntarily click on an audiobook called “anarchy” and dislike it? lmao
@@vaderx2000Rand was for individual liberty.. What's so bad about that? .. i think there should be a safety net for those who need it but even in very early history free people had to go out hunting and gathering just to eat, these days we work and exchange skills for capital to buy the food
modern day "capitalism" is very controlled to boost the elites and keep down normal people, so it's not true free market economy like Rand wanted, where everyone has a fair chance to build the lives they want to without interference from others or the State etc
Written 130 years ago. We don't learn very quickly, do we. Defund the corrupt corporate governments. No TAXATION without REPRESENTATION.
No taxation or representation
Just leaving a bookmark here for myself
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Great outline and an in-depth summary of what anarchy means as well as explains the difference thank you for the upload. Also govern means to rule ment means the mind so rule the mind equals government and as the say cut off the head and the body will follow! Welcome to Zombie apocalypse zombie apocalypse is in theaters near you! The show is about to begin and hell have no fury on the wickedness of this world for it will be destroyed and many will perish and so it is and so it goes get your popcorn you zombies
@51:00 it sums up my experience of this book. I paraphrase slightly - "IF/Should people claim ownership of the tools (factories, land, inventory, capital equipment, etc.) of their trade (from the company that officially owns them and provided them on the condition that said ownership is respected) ... IF/should people rise up in solidarity against those whose "economic privilege" is the background condition that allowed them to provide those tools ... IF/Should people refuse to participate in wars between nations and national boundaries ... then once we have abolished property and the government that defends property rights, must disappear. "
Those are both some tremendous "IFs"
- If people suddenly agreed on so much and at the same time that they void the idea of property on which our society is built - somehow...
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- if people then agreed about who gets to use every resource in existence, all the time without conflict, and without the idea of property rights to resolve disputes about who gets to use what, when (because there is no conflict of interest around anything...) - somehow...
THEN, anarchism without property will work.
This is a mind bogglingly utopian vision of human beings, and the "somehow"s involved are beyond staggering. It is like trying to understand how many stars there are in the universe, or suggesting that if all the atoms in my hands and a wall lined up at the same time, I could pass my hand through the wall without touching it.
It is very different than private police/security/courts resolving property disputes outside of government.
"The man who puts all the guns and all the decision making power into the hands of government and then says, 'Limit Yourself'; it is he who is truly the impractical utopian." -Murray N. Rothbard
@@MoonChildMedia ”We are not anarchists, and those who call us anarchists are not on firm etymological ground, and are being completely unhistorical because all anarchists have socialistic elements in their doctrines and possess socialistic economic doctrines in common.” - Murray Rothbard
it doesn't take _everyone_ agreeing, just some proportion of people
Very informative thank you !
i guess i should be thanking chumbawamba for introducing me to malatesta
Their album "English Rebel Songs" has some inspirational stuff on it.
harmoni utav intressen låter fint .
thank you zoe baker
Marvellous reading, is that a Dutch accent?
This book should be a must read in school, that is a school for over men.
In a school of slaves this is blasphemy. A man is good if he bends over to others, offers the other cheek, and tolerating injustice perpetrated by bullies all awhile standing by doing nothing. A good boy stands aside and holds his tongue. The bullies always ruled. The weak always bend. Rules of natural selection.
right on brother (sister)
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Funny, every sheeple is mis-using this word and yet only 73 have actually read or commented on this book....
Anarchism is Order ;3
Actually it's "Anarchy is order without power" (proudhon)
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The criticisms of the structure I feel are a fair argument, but I anarchy does not define itself enough to say how it could benefit society. It’s based on a premise that there is no greed or bad in people while the evidence is abundant that there is. Anarchy would lead to tribal societies that will probably be at constant conflict. A peaceful community with no governing body is impossible. I believe a government is necessary but only to be a buffer for society. As for culture and communities, that is up to the collective people to decide. The government should be enforcing protections of individual rights. Although our government has issues, without it, our society would ultimately collapse. Do I think government needs to be bond? Yes and by the consent of the people, not corporations. I do not believe in plutocracy. I do believe in a free and fair market but there should be laws to keep money out of the government. Will that happen? Probably not but one can hope. I believe in a free market within a democratic republic not a democratic republic within a free market.
This idea that humans are not greedy or evil is simply untrue and theres literally no evidence to back it up. This video (th-cam.com/video/e27RVFxNOcc/w-d-xo.html) does a good job explaining we have this distorted view and what human nature could mean, if it does mean anything.
Anarchy is defined as without government. It can be leftist or right, centrist or democratic. Just like communism defines itself in many ways like the difference between maoist china and the Soviet union. Anarchy branches in this fashion but over a broader spectrum. This book only narrows to a leftist form of anarchy and not much further. I think this books is to leftist anarchy as mao tse-tungs on contradiction is to maoist china. It's a sort of base platform, not meant to be overbearing or super specific except in regards to certain ideas necessary for the construction of this type of social structure.
@@trakeC yes but anarchists defined it further as socialism also. Basically no government and society simply takes care of itself by people living for the interest of the community willingly and without government.
@@PeteCannellasSound my point was you can't just call all anarchists anarchists... Do libertarians define their form of anarchy as socialism? No they don't. The statement you just made dosnt make any sense. Socialism is generally refered to as when the government collects taxes and redistributes the money out to social programs like fire fighter, police, healthcare. Most forms of anarchy are fundamentally opposed to government and would not define anarchy as socialism
@@moytta122 that's a solid link. However I am not sure how that video means humans are not greedy or evil. If anything it lays out how we all have the capacity for those things. So if you were saying "not inherently so" but have the capacity for it; then I agree with you. If you were hard lining saying that humans have to be evil and greedy then you didn't listen to that whole video 🤔
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can anybody here explain communism to me? I've heard a lot of different versions and the more reading I do I think the more confused I get
Before understanding Anarchism. Should consider reading Socialism and Communism first to understand more what anarchy is.
I don't know why Socialism or Communism would even be mentioned with Anarchy....complete opposite philosophy.
Connie Criscitello Really? What makes you say that?
In a communist state you need a STRONG state to impose it, which is completely contrary to anarchy ideology. While communists and socialists wants communitarianism the anarchists want individualism. In order to make socialist/communist machine working high taxes or abusive measures needs to be imposed in order to maintain that kind of governments.
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Read. The. Fucking. Literature. You. Blasted. MORON
MUH I NEED MUH STATE TO ENFORCE MUH GOMMUNISM 18281817272 DED PEEPOL LOLOLOL WATCH ME LIKE MY OWN COMMENT AND SHOW MY POLITICAL ILLITERACY ON EVEN THE MOST BASIC OF IDEOLOGICAL TOPICS.
@@laas29 Not really. That's Leninism which is a specific kind of communism which most other communists wouldn't accept as a form of communism because it violates the definition of socialism: workers owning the means of production and controlling them democratically.
A plead for humanity and social equality versus the selfish human nature is a contradiction in terms. This age, the age of the masses is proof of what happens when the teacher leaves the class in an emergency, the class turns to anarchy. The bullies take over and enforce hedonism, the more primitive side takes over. The students should continue learning or even elect the smartest student to tutor the rest. But this hardly ever happens.
+Lone Human have you understood the content of this text? Im really confused by your comments. In a book dealing with anarchy as a concept you the word in correctly!
such things they have learnt from their teachers, their parents/carers and the media. Take the democratic schools; such as the one where all the worse behaving students from schools in the are/country go only to become successful and well behaved students, it is in england I think, or that other famous one. There the students have rights and responsibilities. They discuss and vote on school policy. They organise events, they organise their own time and decide what they learn and how they do it, and whom they do it with. Boyinaband has a video on part of it.
You say students cannot reach a state of anarchy wherein they respect one another, work together, and discuss things before making decisions affecting them all. It is so, but that is not inevitable, and it is not the fault of the children, but of the authoritarian school system, among other things, which never teaches them that such a state could be., or how it might be made.
هذه عقيدتي السياسية .....الدولة ليست اختراعا تاريخيا اكتمل بنيانه وقواعده مع تطور الزمن .....الدولة ليست ( حادثة accident. ) تاريخية عرضية .....الدولة حتمية ملازمة للوجود البشري منذ لحظته الاولى .....ادم Adam هو اول دولة في التاريخ ....تم ميلاد المعارضة وميلاد اليمين واليسار ....تم ميلاد ذلك كله امام ( الشجرة المحرمة ) منذ ان وقف ادم امامها مفكرا في اختياراته السيادية ........لم يوجد قط شيئ اسمه ( المجتمع الطبيعي ) السابق على وجود المجتمع او سابق على وجود الدولة ....ولن يوجد ابدا مجتمع طبيعي لاحق على وجود الدولة ......يكفي اجتماع ثلاثة او اربعة اشخاص في ظرف زمكاني واحد كي تنبثق ( السلطة ) و تنبثق ( القيادة ) انبثاقا تلقائيا يجسد طبائع هؤلاء الاشخاص الاربعة ويجسد قابليات واستعدادات كل واحد منهم ليكون تابعا او متبوعا ......
Sorry But Anarchist hates organised religion and religious people like you.
Too little mention of the non-aggression principle in both the book and the comments.
Because that's not anarchism, it's volantarism
Lol
im an anarchist and i dont like socialism or communism.
+Rebel John Than what do you like?
+Rebel John You're not an anarchist, then.
an-cap? lol
Individualist? Mutualist? Undecided
Hi, Not-An-Anarchist.
The comments below..... The same old boring discussion that were being had 30 years ago.
Anarchy, fantasy, never gonna happen
I mean that's not the point of anarchism, it's not blind utopianism
Unless youre chomsky 😁
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@@vaderx2000 "blind" utopianism, as in imagining a utopia (some sort of anarcho syndicalist workers' bureaucracy in his case lmao) with no actual methodological, political etc consequences
@@tristanreynolds5135 The consequences of his brand of anarcho-syndicalism would be taking privilege away from the enormously wealthy private sector and placing it in the hands of the proletariat, and placing this power in the hands of the proletariat would affect society greatly and help rid society of a wealthy few acting solely in their own interests. Chomsky kinda sucks at explaining this well , but “anarcho-syndicalism: theory and practice” by rudolf rocker would work. I’m not saying “educate yourself!” like upper middle class white girls on twitter do, but Rudolf Rocker would be a lot more educational than chomsky.
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