Woe. Just really starting to catch up for the weekend. I don't even know what t1o think. I've got some documents to read. As always, thank you. Listening again😂
@@commercialzone4141 Wasn't this the same date that WSU spotted Mr Kohbergers car by the 2 cops within an hour or so of one another.... But of course Payne knew nothing of this..(yeah right)... That's a lie on the stand... And its also the same date that all the cars outside 1122 were removed by LE & placed on another lot. Strange these 3 important things all happened on exactly that date...🤨🤔🤷♀️
Othram didn’t provide any matches. Idaho state lab found the sample and created the profile. After running through CODIS and finding nothing they sent the profile to Othram, a contracted partner of the state of Idaho, to perform IGG. Before they did the investigation the FBI stepped in and and took over the IGG themselves. They completed the IGG. Idaho state lab was responsible for both the familial match of M. Kohberger as the father of the sample on the sheet and the direct match of BKs buckle swab and the sample on the sheath.
There was confirmation RE feds doing work on the sample first paragraph of that long Judge Judge Oct 2023 order compelling state to turn over some of the IGG/DNA evidence. JJ says right there feds told MPD to look at BK.
If there was a 100% confirmation the Elantra was the right car, they coulfd have arrested Bryan in Washington without the IGG scam. Or his trip to Pennsylvania.
I’m so glad someone recognizes that the whole PA raid at his parents house was totally unnecessary and a sham to convince the public he had to have done something wrong otherwise LE wouldn’t have went through all that. They will. It’s not their money being used to do these things. Of course they will go to whatever lengths they want. It’s unfortunate that people blindly trust our government. Most people forget that the US literally has a Constitution that protects citizens from THEM lol
If he was seperating his garbage, why did they have to match his dad first? Why didnt they just test what he seperated? They knew where he lived, where he worked and what he drove, they were following him, they couldnt have gotten his dna somehow before he went to Pennsylvania? OR did they get it from rhe trip and it was mixed with his dads, so they had to include his dad somehow? And wouldn't it be interesting if out of the 2 other male dna found, one of those was mixed dna from Kohberger and his dad?
The same way they managed to get dna samples from trash flown all over the US from PA to ID to TX in 24 hours. Which is insane bc the last report I found from 2010 had the quickest turnover times for labs in Idaho was 45-60 days. I don’t think it’s dropped to 24 hours since then. I could be wrong but I don’t think I am lol It’s crazy people believe whatever lies LE tell them.
They didn't match his dad. They plucked trash to get a DNA sample from any family member. All family members share similar DNA, so it wouldn't matter if it was dad, mom or sister, and DNA is invisible to the naked eye, so they cannot look at a piece of trash and tell whose DNA would be on it, they just need his or a family member's DNA. They could not test what he separated because they needed an arrest warrant first. The arrest warrant was already signed by a judge by the time they noticed him separating it. No arrest warrant means no entering the house to even know he was separating it. Other two male DNA is pointless because there is no other evidence pointing to those males.
I believe it is secreted bcause every legal team in this case , including the defense knows it was a drug rtaliation hit. I believe the federal authorities even referred to omerta in some of thier responses .The prosecution wants to save the reputation of the university at all cost , by any means . Some how , some way the police on the scene of the crime made a determination within hours of their being called to the scene that there was no longer a danger of another attack . How did they know this ? I believe there was a message or sign left at the scene telling the police their protective witness program was not so protective .
That's a possibility. It's also interesting that Justice Stegner resigned his position not long after Bryan was arrested. Stegner was the one that setup the Latah County drug court, which the police, attorneys, and judges have been twisting for years for profit. We know the police were continually being protected by the Judges and attorney for misconducting themselves for several cases that were getting public exposure the past few years. Not long before the event, former deputy city attorney Elizabeth Warner was fired or resigned her position due to the sticker gate case or similiar.
The police told the public there was no sign of danger as they initially thought it was a crime of passion and jealous bf that is why Jack Decouer was under so much heat. Everything else you say is guessing.
Notably JD is the only person whose full name is disclosed in the PCA. Ethan’s medical examiner’s name and that of the private driver are both redacted. The DD driver’s name is not given at all. Not even his/her gender is disclosed. The surviving roommates are referenced to by initials. I’ve always been curious why JD’s name was given in full.
@@commercialzone4141 Jack Decouer's name was put out there before the PCA was available. Everyone knew him as Kaylee's bf already. I guess it was hard to pinpoint this on Maddie's bf as he lived way in Boise as well as Dylan's bf. The private driver has been id'd already. He spoke to the media several times. Can't remember his name right now. I think the DD was a fake imposter and is the actual perp as to be let in in case the doors were locked shut. It claims that she received a DD at 4 am and the murders happened at 4 am too, so I surmise it was him. I've never done DD before, so how would LE know the exact time she received a DD if it wasn't the perp? I also heard somewhere early on that Ethan had tremendous wounds/injuries probably from fighting the killer off. HIs ME was probably the same as the other bodies.
@@Pllm30 Why do you think the Gs defend JD with a vengeance??.. Almost OTT in my opinion when most folk know the perp is almost always someone close to the victim... The Gs themselves have referred the driver to... An uber.. Private driver.. Family friend..🤔 I hear you on the interview that was allegedly given by an Eric Gower, then name changed to Grower in PCA I think... I believe that interview is fake & many have claimed it's none other than JLR... We know how close he is to the Gs, pics taken with them etc & I absolutely wouldn't be surprised if he's giving the Gs false info. We can't forget his own crime background either...J I'm talking about. But as for the 'private' driver & DDD, it's very likely one in the same person...a female...🤷♀️
Realizing that there has been a “gag order” (of sorts) in this case…, it is surprising that no person (i.e., a “deep throat” type leaker), has surfaced… Another great report, with very valid and reasonable questions, Thank you Kathy.
@@greggb1416 I agree . So strange that absolutely no real news of any kind has come out of this town in 2 years. I feel like if it were the frats, there is no way they would be able to keep it secret. Honestly, I'm not sure what to think anymore.
There’s that too. One imagines if these horrible crimes had happened virtually anywhere else in the US, the students would have been all over social media the day of. People would have been interviewed. Citizens would have been at LE press conferences demanding answers. Very little to none of this has happened here.
I think what is going on here is his attorney is stalling and requesting a lot of this sealed because it incriminates her client. I did a bit of Google research and asked why the cost of a trial is hidden from the public, this is what Google AI came up with; 1. Calculating a trial can be complex since so many factors weigh in that it is difficult to get an accurate cost at any given time since things change such as witnesses, court/atty's fees and the general time consuming nature of a high profile trial etc. 2.. Attorneys use court cost as leverage for plea bargaining. To disclose full court costs weakens a plea bargain position. 3. Many courts do not have resources to accurate tabulate to 100% accuracy the full total court costs. 4. Disclosing high trial costs influences public opinion.
Both sides however have requested information remain under seal. The one reason that is puzzling is when they say to release documents could endanger the life or safety of individuals. Suggesting possibly someone on the outside would be able to exact revenge. Usually LE will release something before or at the time of arrest. Such as 911 call or at least a transcript. A photo of the car they’re seeking or image of a suspect. MPD released nothing. Then the gag order immediately went into effect… compare to all the information and press conferences LE began immediately having RE the attack on the CEO in NYC.
@@commercialzone4141 I supposed the Prosecution wants his information under seal to protect his case and chances of getting a conviction or plea deal. The defense wants it sealed to prevent incriminating evidence getting out to the public. It was said early on by a Judge or someone of that nature in WA that they did not originally want the contents of his WA apt search released because they feared for the safety of others. I distinctly remember that. I believe now that it is just generic court talk or an excuse to keep something sealed. As we now know releasing his apt contents did not cause any harm to anyone. When we say usually the police will release this or that largely depends on the district as we know different counties, districts, States operate differently in how they release information to the public. A lot of this evidence probably directly points to Bryan that is why they don't want it out because he can't get a fair trial if too much direct evidence is released against him before trial. The gag order was put into place shortly after Steve Goncalves kept going to the public releasing information calling the cops cowards and threatening to do his own investigation, so many people thought it was because of him. Once he was deemed a motor mouth saying Kaylee was the target, Bryan connected to her wifi, there was a connection via social media, then recanting what he said soon a gag order was put in place. The case in NYC is different from Bryan's because not only do people see Luigi's case as a martyr or Robinhood something like that, but they see him as doing it for a cause. In Bryan's case was a senseless murder, which makes if quite different in different people's eyes.
@@commercialzone4141 I surmise Prosecution wants it sealed to protect their case and/or plea deals. Defense wants it sealed due to being incriminating. Stating that something is a danger to public safety if released might just be generic court talk as an excuse to seal something. I remember the same thing was said in WA when they wanted to release the contents of his apt search, and we all know no one was harmed when it was finally released. The NYC case is different from this case in many ways.
Hey Kathy - just fyi - your screen is completely black. It’s been like this lately. I’m not seeing anything. Maybe it’s supposed to be this way. Not sure
I'm an old school podcaster at heart so the screen is black with the exception of the cover page. I'm thinking about adding some slides/video content in the New Year. If I can figure it out :). Thank you for the feedback, much appreciated.
"SUBSTANTIAL" probable cause warranting the PA arrest is a key phrase covering the matter and sealing of so much info, IMO. SWAT arrest requires the "substantial" designation; may or may not be extremely sensitive or secret, up to and including national security issues, etc. The secrecy will follow all the way through this case. It's a very rare situation, but LE must show (at least with PA warrants) SUBSTANTIAL PROBABLE CAUSE to make all the crazy circumstances cognizable to a trial jury and get to a point of thinking about beyond reasonable doubt.
@@commercialzone4141 I too find it odd that there is allegedly no body cam. Maybe LE is holding off publicly displaying any SWAT raid/arrest body cam footage until trial to protect defendant's substantial right to a fairness without prejudgement of incriminating circumstances; maybe Albrightsville PD is not well regulated enough to posses the technology; maybe FBI holds the footage and is playing hard to get to, like with other aspects of discovery such as IGG.
Woe. Just really starting to catch up for the weekend. I don't even know what t1o think. I've got some documents to read. As always, thank you. Listening again😂
Thank you K. How much did Idaho pay Othram for the "right match"??
The Fixler article includes a copy of the invoice. Dated November 29, 2022, the total billed amount was $9,500
Thanks so much. Merry Christmas to you and yours.
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Wasn't this the same date that WSU spotted Mr Kohbergers car by the 2 cops within an hour or so of one another....
But of course Payne knew nothing of this..(yeah right)...
That's a lie on the stand...
And its also the same date that all the cars outside 1122 were removed by LE & placed on another lot.
Strange these 3 important things all happened on exactly that date...🤨🤔🤷♀️
Othram didn’t provide any matches. Idaho state lab found the sample and created the profile. After running through CODIS and finding nothing they sent the profile to Othram, a contracted partner of the state of Idaho, to perform IGG. Before they did the investigation the FBI stepped in and and took over the IGG themselves. They completed the IGG. Idaho state lab was responsible for both the familial match of M. Kohberger as the father of the sample on the sheet and the direct match of BKs buckle swab and the sample on the sheath.
There was confirmation RE feds doing work on the sample first paragraph of that long Judge Judge Oct 2023 order compelling state to turn over some of the IGG/DNA evidence. JJ says right there feds told MPD to look at BK.
Every new bit of info is more insane than the last. What is really going on here.???
Thanks. I enjoy your videos. Keep posting.
If there was a 100% confirmation the Elantra was the right car, they coulfd have arrested Bryan in Washington without the IGG scam. Or his trip to Pennsylvania.
I’m so glad someone recognizes that the whole PA raid at his parents house was totally unnecessary and a sham to convince the public he had to have done something wrong otherwise LE wouldn’t have went through all that. They will. It’s not their money being used to do these things. Of course they will go to whatever lengths they want.
It’s unfortunate that people blindly trust our government. Most people forget that the US literally has a Constitution that protects citizens from THEM lol
They cannot arrest him off of a car. They need DNA to arrest him with as many people drive Elantra's.
They can't arrest anyone off of a car alone, they need DNA evidence.
They are not allowed to get dna illegaly. @@Pllm30
If he was seperating his garbage, why did they have to match his dad first? Why didnt they just test what he seperated? They knew where he lived, where he worked and what he drove, they were following him, they couldnt have gotten his dna somehow before he went to Pennsylvania? OR did they get it from rhe trip and it was mixed with his dads, so they had to include his dad somehow? And wouldn't it be interesting if out of the 2 other male dna found, one of those was mixed dna from Kohberger and his dad?
The same way they managed to get dna samples from trash flown all over the US from PA to ID to TX in 24 hours.
Which is insane bc the last report I found from 2010 had the quickest turnover times for labs in Idaho was 45-60 days. I don’t think it’s dropped to 24 hours since then. I could be wrong but I don’t think I am lol
It’s crazy people believe whatever lies LE tell them.
They didn't match his dad. They plucked trash to get a DNA sample from any family member. All family members share similar DNA, so it wouldn't matter if it was dad, mom or sister, and DNA is invisible to the naked eye, so they cannot look at a piece of trash and tell whose DNA would be on it, they just need his or a family member's DNA.
They could not test what he separated because they needed an arrest warrant first. The arrest warrant was already signed by a judge by the time they noticed him separating it. No arrest warrant means no entering the house to even know he was separating it. Other two male DNA is pointless because there is no other evidence pointing to those males.
I believe it is secreted bcause every legal team in this case , including the defense knows it was a drug rtaliation hit. I believe the federal authorities even referred to omerta in some of thier responses .The prosecution wants to save the reputation of the university at all cost , by any means . Some how , some way the police on the scene of the crime made a determination within hours of their being called to the scene that there was no longer a danger of another attack . How did they know this ? I believe there was a message or sign left at the scene telling the police their protective witness program was not so protective .
That's a possibility. It's also interesting that Justice Stegner resigned his position not long after Bryan was arrested. Stegner was the one that setup the Latah County drug court, which the police, attorneys, and judges have been twisting for years for profit. We know the police were continually being protected by the Judges and attorney for misconducting themselves for several cases that were getting public exposure the past few years. Not long before the event, former deputy city attorney Elizabeth Warner was fired or resigned her position due to the sticker gate case or similiar.
The police told the public there was no sign of danger as they initially thought it was a crime of passion and jealous bf that is why Jack Decouer was under so much heat. Everything else you say is guessing.
Notably JD is the only person whose full name is disclosed in the PCA. Ethan’s medical examiner’s name and that of the private driver are both redacted. The DD driver’s name is not given at all. Not even his/her gender is disclosed. The surviving roommates are referenced to by initials. I’ve always been curious why JD’s name was given in full.
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Jack Decouer's name was put out there before the PCA was available. Everyone knew him as Kaylee's bf already. I guess it was hard to pinpoint this on Maddie's bf as he lived way in Boise as well as Dylan's bf. The private driver has been id'd already. He spoke to the media several times. Can't remember his name right now.
I think the DD was a fake imposter and is the actual perp as to be let in in case the doors were locked shut. It claims that she received a DD at 4 am and the murders happened at 4 am too, so I surmise it was him. I've never done DD before, so how would LE know the exact time she received a DD if it wasn't the perp?
I also heard somewhere early on that Ethan had tremendous wounds/injuries probably from fighting the killer off. HIs ME was probably the same as the other bodies.
@@Pllm30
Why do you think the Gs defend JD with a vengeance??..
Almost OTT in my opinion when most folk know the perp is almost always someone close to the victim...
The Gs themselves have referred the driver to...
An uber..
Private driver..
Family friend..🤔
I hear you on the interview that was allegedly given by an Eric Gower, then name changed to Grower in PCA I think...
I believe that interview is fake & many have claimed it's none other than JLR...
We know how close he is to the Gs, pics taken with them etc & I absolutely wouldn't be surprised if he's giving the Gs false info.
We can't forget his own crime background either...J I'm talking about.
But as for the 'private' driver & DDD, it's very likely one in the same person...a female...🤷♀️
Realizing that there has been a “gag order” (of sorts) in this case…, it is surprising that no person (i.e., a “deep throat” type leaker), has surfaced…
Another great report, with very valid and reasonable questions,
Thank you Kathy.
@@greggb1416 I agree . So strange that absolutely no real news of any kind has come out of this town in 2 years. I feel like if it were the frats, there is no way they would be able to keep it secret. Honestly, I'm not sure what to think anymore.
There’s that too. One imagines if these horrible crimes had happened virtually anywhere else in the US, the students would have been all over social media the day of. People would have been interviewed. Citizens would have been at LE press conferences demanding answers. Very little to none of this has happened here.
Thank you Gregg. Great point re no “deep throat” spilling the beans in 2 years.
I think what is going on here is his attorney is stalling and requesting a lot of this sealed because it incriminates her client. I did a bit of Google research and asked why the cost of a trial is hidden from the public, this is what Google AI came up with;
1. Calculating a trial can be complex since so many factors weigh in that it is difficult to get an accurate cost at any given time since things change such as witnesses, court/atty's fees and the general time consuming nature of a high profile trial etc.
2.. Attorneys use court cost as leverage for plea bargaining. To disclose full court costs weakens a plea bargain position.
3. Many courts do not have resources to accurate tabulate to 100% accuracy the full total court costs.
4. Disclosing high trial costs influences public opinion.
Both sides however have requested information remain under seal. The one reason that is puzzling is when they say to release documents could endanger the life or safety of individuals. Suggesting possibly someone on the outside would be able to exact revenge. Usually LE will release something before or at the time of arrest. Such as 911 call or at least a transcript. A photo of the car they’re seeking or image of a suspect. MPD released nothing. Then the gag order immediately went into effect… compare to all the information and press conferences LE began immediately having RE the attack on the CEO in NYC.
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I supposed the Prosecution wants his information under seal to protect his case and chances of getting a conviction or plea deal. The defense wants it sealed to prevent incriminating evidence getting out to the public.
It was said early on by a Judge or someone of that nature in WA that they did not originally want the contents of his WA apt search released because they feared for the safety of others. I distinctly remember that. I believe now that it is just generic court talk or an excuse to keep something sealed. As we now know releasing his apt contents did not cause any harm to anyone.
When we say usually the police will release this or that largely depends on the district as we know different counties, districts, States operate differently in how they release information to the public. A lot of this evidence probably directly points to Bryan that is why they don't want it out because he can't get a fair trial if too much direct evidence is released against him before trial.
The gag order was put into place shortly after Steve Goncalves kept going to the public releasing information calling the cops cowards and threatening to do his own investigation, so many people thought it was because of him. Once he was deemed a motor mouth saying Kaylee was the target, Bryan connected to her wifi, there was a connection via social media, then recanting what he said soon a gag order was put in place.
The case in NYC is different from Bryan's because not only do people see Luigi's case as a martyr or Robinhood something like that, but they see him as doing it for a cause. In Bryan's case was a senseless murder, which makes if quite different in different people's eyes.
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I surmise Prosecution wants it sealed to protect their case and/or plea deals. Defense wants it sealed due to being incriminating.
Stating that something is a danger to public safety if released might just be generic court talk as an excuse to seal something. I remember the same thing was said in WA when they wanted to release the contents of his apt search, and we all know no one was harmed when it was finally released.
The NYC case is different from this case in many ways.
@@Pllm30 Thank you very much for your thoughts on what may be occurring behind the scenes. Your input is appreciated.
Hey Kathy - just fyi - your screen is completely black. It’s been like this lately. I’m not seeing anything. Maybe it’s supposed to be this way. Not sure
I'm an old school podcaster at heart so the screen is black with the exception of the cover page. I'm thinking about adding some slides/video content in the New Year. If I can figure it out :). Thank you for the feedback, much appreciated.
@@commercialzone4141 oh ok gotcha!
"SUBSTANTIAL" probable cause warranting the PA arrest is a key phrase covering the matter and sealing of so much info, IMO. SWAT arrest requires the "substantial" designation; may or may not be extremely sensitive or secret, up to and including national security issues, etc. The secrecy will follow all the way through this case.
It's a very rare situation, but LE must show (at least with PA warrants) SUBSTANTIAL PROBABLE CAUSE to make all the crazy circumstances cognizable to a trial jury and get to a point of thinking about beyond reasonable doubt.
Regarding the PA arrest, I found it odd per State response to discovery that was disclosed they knew of no body cam footage used during the arrest.
@@commercialzone4141 I too find it odd that there is allegedly no body cam.
Maybe LE is holding off publicly displaying any SWAT raid/arrest body cam footage until trial to protect defendant's substantial right to a fairness without prejudgement of incriminating circumstances; maybe Albrightsville PD is not well regulated enough to posses the technology; maybe FBI holds the footage and is playing hard to get to, like with other aspects of discovery such as IGG.