Credo Mutwa: The Truth About Piet Retief, Dingana & Shaka Zulu Pt.1

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  • We bring you Part 1 of a great story by Credo Mutwa narrated by Bonolo X.
    Bab' Mutwa paints a beautiful picture of African History as it happened many years ago with detailed clarity.
    We learn the truth about Dingana, Shaka Zulu, Queen Nandi and the death of Piet Retief
    "Lend us the ears of your impartial souls."
    Here is the link to PART 2: • Credo Mutwa: The Truth...
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  • @siphumelelezibi4487
    @siphumelelezibi4487 2 ปีที่แล้ว +61

    Now I feel more excited to be a Hlubi tribe. This is so powerful. Anc is useless they were supposed to honour this guy properly. Thank you Bawo Credo Mutwa may your soul rest in peace.

    • @khanyileisfedesofudu1880
      @khanyileisfedesofudu1880 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Bhungane oMakhulukhulu ngyathaba nangabe bekhina abantu abafana nawe abazqhenya ngobuHlubi bekhabo 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

    • @mandisambane2716
      @mandisambane2716 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      My exact sentiment they never honored this great giant while still alive even in his grave they still don't useless leadership. This man was not only a fountain of wisdom being a Sanusi is a big thing in most countries..

  • @ronmcgregor6331
    @ronmcgregor6331 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Historians, although they do their best, will inevitably get some things right and some things wrong. This is a very good example.

    • @ndlavini
      @ndlavini 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      You are not saying anything , what is right or wrong in this case ?

  • @lilianhaggland2031
    @lilianhaggland2031 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Thank you really enjoyed this as a patriotic South African.I love this country and all its people

    • @AudioBookMasters
      @AudioBookMasters  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Keep on sharing the stories to help others awaken.

    • @oceanlondon9721
      @oceanlondon9721 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@AudioBookMasters such an interesting story, thanks a lot. On part two please add Mkabayi kaJama on your story because in the Zulu nation history it is believed that you cannot talk about the history of the Zulu nation and it kings without mentioning Mkabayi KaJama. Moreover, please also remember to highlight all the sacrifices she made for the Zulu nation for your story to have a weight and also point out the love she gave king Shaka, Princess Nandi and the whole nation at large. However, I know that in most cases she has been portrayed as somebody who's heartless and a murderer but believe you there's a good side of her and without her all the Zulu kings you've mentioned had no chance to live. Nevertheless, I do admit that she played a major role on the death of King Shaka, but as researchers i think we should search the gist of that story and find out why she was part of that plan because Mkabayi kaJama loved king Shaka so much.

  • @sydwellsedibe5901
    @sydwellsedibe5901 3 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    "We all allow our emotions to blind us to the bright sun of truth
    Any man ruled by the love of the woman he has chosen for a wife sees nothing but beauty in her, even though she may be a shameless adulteresses
    Any man blinded by his hatred for another man refuses to see anything good in him"
    Too true.

    • @AudioBookMasters
      @AudioBookMasters  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      a deep lesson to learn...wise words...we need to think more critically.

    • @JohnDoe-ts9wr
      @JohnDoe-ts9wr 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      What is the truth?

  • @SP-rx4tb
    @SP-rx4tb 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Thank you for sharing . This was a great book. Mutwa said in an interview those that are from royal blood that comes from the chitauara no matter color no matter what part of the world -are the rulers that become the most ruthless chiefs and kings. I believe Color now is blurred we have white Africans and black Englishman . Still a very small few rebuke their alien ways to help mankind but those don’t write or make history. They feed off your fears and it is all coming to an end now mankind is remembering its history and seeing the lies and it’s time to unite and live a new life with truth

    • @sunchildofsirius2462
      @sunchildofsirius2462 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      THERE ARE NO WHITE AFRICANS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      only lucky exploitative whites living on african soil at the expense of africans.

  • @kufakubonwamagwaza7875
    @kufakubonwamagwaza7875 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    The author of this book presents King Dingiswayo as a man of peace who wouldn't kill a fly. He omits to mention that Dingiswayo became a refuge. There are three conflicting accounts. One account is that he wanted to kill his father, Jobe, who was the King of Mthethwa and his father picked that up and asked his leutenants to go get him and he ran away to exile hence his name Dingiswayo meaning a wanderer. He came back when his father has just died and his twin brother had just assumed kingship. He killed his brother and took over the kingship of the Mthethwa nation. Is that peace? Whatever the versions, the turth of the matter is that he took the power by force through murder. To praise Dingane is to praise mediocrity. He says Shaka was homosexual. The truth that he does not know is that King Cetshwayo was actually King Shaka's son but Nandi did not want this to be shared with Shaka because even though he slept with girls, becuase of his age and his understanding of how power can divide the nation like it happened with his ascenstion, he didnt want anyone thinking that they were inheritors of his throne particulalry while he was still alive.So, the girl he had impregnated told Queen Nandi, Shaka's mother about the pregnancy but Nandi knowing her son's thought about kids, especially boys, advised the girl to keep this under wraps and in the meantime go and sleep with another of Shaka's brother, Mpande, who later became a King himself after Dingane had been killed by the Swazi's. So,when Kind Cetshwayo was born, his father was Mpande but Nandi and some few elders within the royal Zulu family knew that Cetshwayo's biological father was King Shaka. This would later become the source of the conflict which formented the war of Ndondakusuka which divived the Zulu nation in the middle as King Mpande annointed his elder son Mbuyazi to be the King and Cetshwayo, feeling that he was the direct decendent and living son of King Shaka, he was a rightful heir. Despite King Mpande insistence, Cetshayo persistent in his demand that he was the rightful heir to the throne, even saying that "Ilanga lingawa licoshwe izinkukhu" which literally means the day Mbuyazi becomes the King of the Zulus, the son will fall from the sky and it will be eaten by the chickens. An English translation of this is simply that "Over my dead body will I allow Mbuyazi to be the King of the Zulus". Unlike Cetshwayo who had a big belly and a giant frame, Mbuyazi had a tall body frame with a big phsysique often likened to that of King Shaka, it is said. It is said that Cetshwayo then said how can a person with such a body become a King to which Mpande replied : "Nondana inkosi ayibekwa ngamkhaba" a saying that is still popular in Zulu folklore today and it means "when it comes to anointing a King of the nation size does not matter my son".So, the history that is being told in this book is extremely blasphemious and extreme distortion of history of the Zulu nation, Nandi, Mkabayi, Dingane, King Dingiswayo, the role each one played towards the rise and fall of King Shaka and what followed after his assassination. It is a completely emotionally charged rendition that devoid of historical facts and it is more about the bitterness of the writer who is trying so hard to elevate anything and everything that is against and blasphemious towards Shaka. He is even trying to blame him for not fighting colonisers but forgets to commend him for doing so. Dingane fought them prematurely and that was the begining of the end of the Zulu Kingdom as King Shaka had built it. Mzilikazi was not a King but a chief of the Mntungwas/Khumalos. Shaka sent him on a mission to capture Nguni cattles from certain small tribes but he never returned and Shaka began to hunt him down. As Mzilikazi was running away from Shaka he was conquering other smaller tribes along the way until he arrived at what is now known as Union Buildings where he found AmaNdebele, fought, defeated them and putthem under his control. He crossed the Limpopo river towards what is now Zimbabwe where he eventually settled and built his own KwaBulawayo, a name derived from King Shaka's main palace situated next to Mandeni/Eshowe.

    • @lwandilekhwezi8778
      @lwandilekhwezi8778 ปีที่แล้ว

      ulwazi olungaka singalutholaphi mfo? especially the part of king cetshwayo being the son ilembe - I thought those were rumors qha

    • @Eddymaf
      @Eddymaf ปีที่แล้ว

      The story has distortions in terms of dates relations and occurances it is not accurately ochestrated.Wrong version again.

    • @Eddymaf
      @Eddymaf ปีที่แล้ว

      Now Shaka had a sister who was born after him by senzangakhona.Clan names relations .Why are the so many people who keep on distorting Zulu history and the wayit is ochestrated in this story.And the icwa was not large it was small the shield was enlarged.This version is a lie sies man.So many distortions

    • @oudneynaluube605
      @oudneynaluube605 ปีที่แล้ว

      Interesting.

    • @giovannimaria
      @giovannimaria 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@Eddymaf0

  • @elsabadenhorst9746
    @elsabadenhorst9746 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I grew up in KZN and respect the Zulu. The Zulu showed me the way in life. Today i am old and still respect the Zulu way.

  • @beecher127
    @beecher127 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Excellent presentation of history!

  • @stefwessels955
    @stefwessels955 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Such an eye opener..beautifully told. Well done.

    • @Eddymaf
      @Eddymaf ปีที่แล้ว

      distorted version

  • @poor_fellow2549
    @poor_fellow2549 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wow!
    What a masterpiece!

  • @seanobrien1640
    @seanobrien1640 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Tanks you very much for this

  • @andredavison3808
    @andredavison3808 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow! I love ourstory! I never heard these teachings of Shaka. Thank you Babba Mutwa. His life is our gift.

  • @sbahleshabalala9699
    @sbahleshabalala9699 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I really enjoyed this Syaboonga....I can't wait for more...

  • @pietercoetzee8690
    @pietercoetzee8690 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Lovely calming voice to listen to. Really enjoyed with background music.....

  • @belindaphezisa4751
    @belindaphezisa4751 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Interesting, I enjoyed listening this narrative

    • @AudioBookMasters
      @AudioBookMasters  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      If you enjoyed this. You will definitely enjoy the full audio book!

  • @RobertJones-gq3jq
    @RobertJones-gq3jq 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The story of Shaka is a reminder that “A child that is not embraced by the village will burn it down to feel its warmth.” This book is full of example of how the "minorities" of the Bantu culture (disabled, queer and some women) were abused and framed as evil. Its a reminder that we must do better.

  • @felinecaninenation6513
    @felinecaninenation6513 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Kudos👏👏👏

  • @Econ-man2060
    @Econ-man2060 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This video was awesome nice info

  • @JaneDoe76664
    @JaneDoe76664 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank You😢

  • @nicolewright6562
    @nicolewright6562 2 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    This info it is all twisted. This story is hardly about Piet Retief.
    The description you gave of King Dingana was of Mpande. King Mpande was the one with womenly features, never fought in any wars, weak & feeble NOT Dingana. Nozshada Nzuza who was loyal to Dingana chose to die then to live under the reigne of a feeble King Mpande. Mpande took the throne under the protection of the Europeans after Dinganas death.
    Dingana was treacherous:
    1. He killed Mhlangana his brother to take the throne after King Shaka by drowning him & made it look like an accident. He plotted this with Mkabayi
    2. Brutally killed Nxagwane and worse for Ndlela who help King Mpande escape when he wanted to kill him by giving him a gift so he would come & thank him for it, then kill him.
    3. Dingana killed all his brothers cos he thought they would do what he did to King Shaka. King Mpande remained coz he was feeble & womenly and thought to pose no threat. Mpande also acted a lunatic around Dingana to protect himself from being killed by him. But Dingana was never easy around Mpandle also cos the meaning of his name.
    4. The war at Maqongqo that you mentioned.
    - SGUJANA was not killed by Shaka but he wanted and planned to but was killed by Ngwadi before he could.
    - Dingana killed himself. He said he'd rather die at his hand rather than of the whites. Yes he saw through what the whites were, their intentions to own them in their land and used them to empower themselves to riches also to enforce Christianity. Him and Cetshwayo but this was later on. Shaka was just learning who they were and they portrayed themselves very well to him otherwise they would hv died.
    - Zwide was the ruthless one even Shaka feared him greatly. He would attack other tribes and take the heads of the kings and give them to his Mother, Ntombazi as displays. He was the one who attacked other tribes senselessly. His empire was unimaginably big compared to Shakas. King Shaka didn't stand a chance against him not even in his wildest dreams. So he had to use the tactic to pretend to flee in order to defeat him.
    -King Shaka gave the Europeans LAND in exchange for them to train his warriors on how to MAKE GUNS & BULLETS. The movies hides that part and say its for dying his hair, how far fetch is that and anyone who believed that has a brain the size of a peanut. Dyes were not new anywhere in Africa. Traces of those warriors are tracked to Germany where they were to be trained. (DNA may speak on that one day). They were worned that it would be the biggest mistake to train them coz without guns they can never be defeated. Still today the Europeans fear if the Zulu people could rise again. They were the only ones who ever defeated England, Queen Victoria's army led by King Cetshwayo.
    - Shaka Zulu did not kill his offspring rather he would send those women away with their pragnacies to be raised as other man children but only with ones he trusted with the secrete the most. CETSHWAYO and Mbuyazi were one of them raised by Mpande. When Mpande died he wanted his real son to rule but someone knew about Cetshwayo and had a mark, a sign that will indicate he is the son of the mighty King Shaka Zulu. All these kings that came after him are descendents of Shaka Zulu.
    - Phampatha/ Bhambatha was kept as someone like a wife because she was known to be barren but she fell pregnant & couldn't keep it coz it would be obvious it was his.
    Lastly King Shaka a man single handily forms a mighty nation of amaZulu is weak and a coward, built one of the biggest empires in Africa, worn every war he fought against, conquered all tribes around, known during his reigne all d way up to Malawi, Kenya, Tanzania & the Western Cape. People ran that far from a coward.
    - You said Shaka was a fierce leopard & ruthless like a crocodile that he left his opponents knocked unconsciecous on the ground from the young age then later on said he was a coward.
    - Most importantly the first person who invented the bullet proof according to Trevor Noah.
    He wasnt as ruthless as he was potraiyed since he left the Mathonga people who speak their own language alone who lived very close to Shaka. They will testify 'today' that King Shaka didn't bother anyone who didnt bother him. In his court he defended the weak who couldnt speak for themselves when Mkabayi wanted people to be judged by what is coming out of their mouth to defend themselves.
    I am not disputing that whats on tv or movies may be intended to hide some things, take a side, at all. I myself hv always questioned why they did that for us preserving our history like that for us. The truth is yet to come out.

    • @kobebravo1015
      @kobebravo1015 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Wow

    • @gugublake911
      @gugublake911 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Uy'thathelaphi yonke lento' oy'shoyo?

    • @Eddymaf
      @Eddymaf ปีที่แล้ว

      twisted sick and distorted.I dont think this guy know what he is talking about.I dont know why zulu history keeps on being twisted over the years

    • @ty12t2
      @ty12t2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Okay, so you seem to be one of the few but probably the best person on Zulu history to ask this question... what's with the bisexual claim? and why aren't more people talking about this? I personally can't accept this claim, I know it's been over a year but could you please explain, thank you for your well-laid-out research. The African (black) woman is the greatest gift to the world.

  • @bernardotoole4366
    @bernardotoole4366 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Piet Retief fled the Cape Colony because of debt.. The story of the Matabele and the Zulu nation who moved Southward plundering and taking over the woman and children from lesser tribes.. But the impression that all the indiginuise people were a closely knitted family is as true as the tribes from Europe and Great Britain. No love lost there either. History has changed the dynamic but the time has come to use the past as reason for hatred and division. The modern South Africa must come to terms with their own greed and perception and to come together as One Nation in order to become the South Africa we aught to be. Tis not political or the lessons of the past that divide but a criminal mindset which has no colour or culture boundaries. Time to join hands accept that we differ in language culture experience but mutual respect and honor will be the stuff that is needed to bring our peoples together. Crime and corruption are the enemies as well as those who sow discord division and lawlessness. Time to put the criminal out of the equation and to choose leaders For the people in the greater interest of a wonderful country still untainted by the wokeness of the west.

  • @johnluke3687
    @johnluke3687 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    TNX You Sir Cheers

  • @spontaneouscorner464
    @spontaneouscorner464 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    What a beautiful narration 🤎

  • @nkosikhonsgumedr-de4mv
    @nkosikhonsgumedr-de4mv 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    King Shaka conquered every tribe he was a warrior he was a man

  • @sh9k_br3nr_26
    @sh9k_br3nr_26 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Such a great thing you're doing. Keep going bru

    • @nicolewright6562
      @nicolewright6562 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      There are a lot of corrections to be made in his narrative though. A lot 😐

  • @madlokovumngadi5159
    @madlokovumngadi5159 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    If King Shaka was a monster as you have described, then who is to blame? You cannot destroy a kid's life and expect to have an angel as an adult. He was a kid who was abused and ill treated because of his parents mistake. His father comes across as nothing but a very cruel person for denying to have impregnated a princess. The parents of the princess comes across as extremely irresponsible for allowing a princess to be on a 3 day foot journey without amabutho to accompany her. Something doesn't add up in this story.

    • @Bongz90
      @Bongz90 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      you must remember that back then intombi xa imithe ingendanga; yayisohlwaya kuba ihlaze uyise. This could be true because her father may have felt insulted by her actions and thereby punished her

    • @mbusomakhathini7985
      @mbusomakhathini7985 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yey unamanga lobaba, ayikho yonke lento ayikhuluma la. Waze walibeka kabi iLembe

    • @RobertJones-gq3jq
      @RobertJones-gq3jq 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      This is the chicken and egg issue. It speak volumes to how his tribe treated him and his mother. Its very much “A child that is not embraced by the village will burn it down to feel its warmth.” We see the same dynamic still playing out, at least in the US.

  • @sikhonamdunge6847
    @sikhonamdunge6847 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Siyabonga! thanks for the AudioBook, would love if you keep the history information coming

  • @polokocollen7072
    @polokocollen7072 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great narration.

  • @dulajohnstone5704
    @dulajohnstone5704 ปีที่แล้ว

    Amazing!! I always thought why
    Shaka was so much glamorished. Yet history tells us of the terrible tyrant and ruthless ruler that he was.

    • @Eddymaf
      @Eddymaf ปีที่แล้ว

      At what point was Shaka glorified because he has always been vilified..People have this tendency of omitting history and it's contradictory.Dates occurances

  • @DrBeeSpeaks
    @DrBeeSpeaks 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I sit here with my 1970s Zulu belt on while listening in 2022.

  • @siyabongamaseko2550
    @siyabongamaseko2550 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Towards the end it talks of Charles Farewell but the guy's name was Francis George Farewell...

    • @ednafourie1248
      @ednafourie1248 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      This story sounds the the one the Zulu woman told. That the boers cut their breast of so that their babies could not drink. The babies then cried and their hiding place were found. Just one thing that exposed that lie. If the boers did that, then the women would have bled to death. Ask any doctor why.

    • @Eddymaf
      @Eddymaf ปีที่แล้ว

      most of the story is wrongly distorted and narrated and in todays history and back then can also be dismissed.

  • @lilianhaggland2031
    @lilianhaggland2031 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Zulu what a beautiful language

  • @siviwerodolo1932
    @siviwerodolo1932 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The land shall come back to my family. Imikonde.

  • @SikhumbuzoMzobe
    @SikhumbuzoMzobe 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    the book was changed by you know who. Listen to baba Vusamazulu Mutwa story of Dingan' interview on reptilian agenda part two(history of south africa), he corrects this story because it was changed by abelumbi.

  • @uZanzolo
    @uZanzolo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    What happened to part two?

  • @clementmhlongo2491
    @clementmhlongo2491 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Syabonga ngaleli qiniso

  • @BabaMakhanya
    @BabaMakhanya ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Credo Mutwa clearly hated being weaker than Shaka Zulu. He knows deep in his heart that even after 200 years since Shaka he still has not done enough to surpass the greatness of Shaka Zulu.
    This is proof that even prophets like Credo Mutwa can lie to mislead the people. Be careful not to obey prophets but to hear and consider what they say but NOT obey them.

    • @evillamar372
      @evillamar372 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      facts Shaka was the greatest Zulu King ever and I believe he could've pushed the English out of Africa while he was at his peak.

  • @xila-man8249
    @xila-man8249 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    So you decided to reserve the other parts for "Members only". I was here a few months back and I enjoyed the other parts as well... But now I was debating a friend and i wanted to send him a link but I can't find the video I'm looking for🤦🏾‍♂️

    • @AudioBookMasters
      @AudioBookMasters  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hi Xila, we are sorry about this. We have decided to make some content exclusive, to cover the production costs that goes into creating the audio books. We hope to get sponsors to provide content for free.

  • @shananajam2726
    @shananajam2726 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    The story is actually very heartbreaking.She may had made a mistake because she was young.But to be disowned by her family was a bit extreme.& to let an innocent child suffer for a mistake his mom made is inhumane.Even the people that she lived with after being disowned by her family.To have no compassion for a pregnant mother & did not help them is very disgracefull..So her family & the people that she went to for help while pregnant had no compassion.It is those people who made him become so monstrous & hateful.

  • @siyabongamaseko2550
    @siyabongamaseko2550 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    There's an error in this story...at around 19:17 it talks about Godongwana aspiring to merge the Bantu in NATAL....but the Natal colony wasn't even in existence by then. The events in question took place prior even to 1820 when the British settlers arrived.

    • @ndlavini
      @ndlavini 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He says nothing about Natal colony but merely refers to area which later became Natal.

    • @siyabongamaseko2550
      @siyabongamaseko2550 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ndlavini Does that include or exclude what would become Zululand...?

    • @ndlavini
      @ndlavini 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@siyabongamaseko2550 Dingiswayo worked closely with Hlubis who lived in the area which became Natal when colonisers took over , i don’t think any part of Zululand was in the equation.

    • @siyabongamaseko2550
      @siyabongamaseko2550 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ndlavini So how could Godongwana have had intentions of uniting people who lived within an area which would later be demarcated as Natal when that very demarcation could not even have existed in his imagination...? If that demarcation strictly coincides with that of the land of the Hlubis then why is he trying to unite the Hlubis when they're presumably already united...?

    • @ndlavini
      @ndlavini 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      One need to remember that the British empire caused havoc in South Africa , the Hlubi nation were particularly targeted in the 19th century .Hlubis lived on the land as early as the 1300 , the colony is just a British concept , there was settlement before colonial takeover.Maybe we need to change the current names to what the land was called.

  • @gideonmosia
    @gideonmosia 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    The great Zulu nation

  • @preferablypages
    @preferablypages ปีที่แล้ว

    Dingaan Piet Retief😳 woah lesrnt something new in the first few minutes

  • @frankfakazatalk307
    @frankfakazatalk307 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I wish to intern for you. Please let me know what i need to do.

    • @AudioBookMasters
      @AudioBookMasters  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

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  • @bigscott175
    @bigscott175 ปีที่แล้ว

    I see people angry at the common section, all I want to say take it as a grain of salt. Information can be given not accepted, I don't believe everything I'm hearing but it's worth a listen. History is what the says , History

  • @jillieflynn3386
    @jillieflynn3386 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Fact or fiction no matter it is a beautifully told alternative perspective and story - I wish to listen to more stories passed down to Africans from their ancestors please

    • @jmala5772
      @jmala5772 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      The truth in the story has no importance to you however factual it is. It is impossible for truth to precede jealousy and hatred of the whiteman of the time

    • @Eddymaf
      @Eddymaf ปีที่แล้ว

      it fails in terms of literature and narrration and common sense it is twisted even in terms of customs or what was happening

  • @quemalo3975
    @quemalo3975 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just had a 180° turn on point of view and an ideology has been shattered

    • @AudioBookMasters
      @AudioBookMasters  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Which ideology?

    • @TruthbyMean
      @TruthbyMean 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      from just 20mins of narration of a possible opinion hahahaha interesting

  • @sthanazdscafeIVXIII
    @sthanazdscafeIVXIII 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Lendaba iyethusa futhi kayikholeki kodwa ke akuthusi futhi ukungakholeki kwayo izinto ezingamaqinisa kazikholeki ngoba abantu bayaqhela baphinde bathule mazikhulunya. Nalapha kunjalo.

  • @brucemcdonald8529
    @brucemcdonald8529 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    At the time of Shaka etc., could the Zulus and other tribes, not know writing or at least be able to record events for truth and perpetuity? The verbal recollections we hear now can be manipulated to suit a particular agenda. What is true??

  • @spykerhond7008
    @spykerhond7008 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    if Dingane's troops had only more guns at the BOBR. Make a Piet Caster Retief of the matter

  • @bibo5649
    @bibo5649 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    We used to be Zulus.

  • @tshidisopercyvalmoeketsi4055
    @tshidisopercyvalmoeketsi4055 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    "... And purposely allow a particular pregnancy.." who can this be?

    • @fuhrerrotzsche751
      @fuhrerrotzsche751 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      It is believed to have been a Princess from Ngwane land at Pongola. Though Nandi attempted to save another pregnancy but Shaka found out and killed the child

  • @charlesvanonselen6251
    @charlesvanonselen6251 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Seriously big holes in your storyline, by ommision. Why was Piet Retief with Dingane in the first place? Answer - he was there to get land. They had previously come to Dingane and asked how they can get land for themselves (barter/buy) and Dingane had said they must retrieve some cattle that had been stolen and he would give them land. They did this and came back to Dingane to finalize their "reward". That is why, when requested to leave their weapons outside, they did. They even brought with them some young boys as part of their party. They would never have done this if they had not been under the illusion that all was well between the Zulu king and themselves. After their "execution" (massacre), the Zulus then went on a rampage and killed, raped and pillaged any white Trek party or homestead they came across. This eventually lead to the Boers converging together for safety and lead to what became known as the battle of Blood River next to the Ncome? River - later called Blood River. Before the battle the Boers prayed to God and asked for his blessing and help in the upcoming fight. In exchange they promised to remember their vow of the covenant with God for all time (hence the Public holiday we knew as the Day of the Covenant, later called Dingaan's Day and Reconciliation Day). I also did not hear any mention of the Mfecana, which happened before this, due to King Shaka's actions, but I assume you will cover this in your next Part of this story. I enjoyed your explanation of the History regarding Shaka's birth and naming. It was extremely interesting and for me, makes logical sense!

    • @grantbarnado7695
      @grantbarnado7695 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Those that throw truth to the ground run the risk of history repeating itself...and learn nothing gracefully...nothing new under the Sun..

    • @charlesvanonselen6251
      @charlesvanonselen6251 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@grantbarnado7695 what are you trying to say????

    • @grantbarnado7695
      @grantbarnado7695 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@charlesvanonselen6251 I agree with you all I am saying

    • @zabadackakaHansCoche
      @zabadackakaHansCoche 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Dingaan was a treacherous murder. Word of mouth history gets twisted, written down it provides irrefutable history.

    • @Eddymaf
      @Eddymaf ปีที่แล้ว

      this version is distorted most of it

  • @siphiwesiphiwe4482
    @siphiwesiphiwe4482 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Unamanga wena

  • @andresdeks
    @andresdeks 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I have my family Bible written account on what happened. Two de Klerks died on that day. I do not agree with your account, or other statements you make ie Mzilikazi mother etc

    • @lilianhaggland2031
      @lilianhaggland2031 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I would love to hear the story

    • @tseyazmutseyami1402
      @tseyazmutseyami1402 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Create a channel were you can share your side people might be really interested in what you have to say

    • @tshepomogotsi
      @tshepomogotsi 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Could you share your version if possible?

    • @Eddymaf
      @Eddymaf ปีที่แล้ว

      most of mzilikazi's family where is natal I wonder if he is even aware that mzilikazi was zulu and one of shakas greatest general's the guy is an ammature and I think he is just distorting the versin and he is very poor in literature narration dates and he mixes up dates clans and people and creates members of the zulu nations as tribes.I think Jama was still alive when Shaka was concieved.He mixes up situations and distorts situations.A complete distortion of zulu history

  • @unicornt5670
    @unicornt5670 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    History has many different stories and according to the movie senzangakhona was told by his father to stay away from nandi becauseshe was deemed to be a dangerous women according to a prophecy
    (I know movies don't present the story as it is)

    • @AudioBookMasters
      @AudioBookMasters  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      History shouldn't have many different stories. There's only one historical truth. Not many. But one.

    • @unicornt5670
      @unicornt5670 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AudioBookMasters yes you are right but people would have their own versions

    • @Eddymaf
      @Eddymaf ปีที่แล้ว

      The story is distorted also narrated.

  • @frankmsibi8341
    @frankmsibi8341 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    THIS IS NOT CREDO

    • @siyabongagift4168
      @siyabongagift4168 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      excatly.

    • @AudioBookMasters
      @AudioBookMasters  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      You haven't engaged with his Content enough. Keep reading...

    • @AudioBookMasters
      @AudioBookMasters  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Listen to the Journey to Asazi, The Coming of the Strange Ones... It's all on this channel... You'll be shocked. This is nothing. You were not taught the real history of your Ancestors. It's free. Listen... To the old videos first... This is Shaka's character is nothing really compared to what he talks about in the book.

    • @Eddymaf
      @Eddymaf ปีที่แล้ว

      yep people like lying and using credo's image and name and distorting his version.And how the hell did Mzilikazi's mother end up in Rhodesia.Mzilikazi's family was all left in kzn and by the time of dingaan mzilikazi was still based in southern africa.This guy does not know his story what a humilation

  • @monarengkgomo9307
    @monarengkgomo9307 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I am no historian, but the part that I believe is that Shaka is lionised because he was so accommodating to the white man. In fact I believe he was used as a proxy in some of the battles. Indeed he was bewitched by the white skin like some of us still are.

    • @evillamar372
      @evillamar372 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I believe Shaka still had ulterior motives I think before he was assasinated he was planning on attacking them.

    • @MzwandileCele
      @MzwandileCele 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Wow❤. I never looked at it that way, just like madiba. Shaka to even a greater extent as a ruthless killer against his own people, black people, mfecane...

  • @uniteekandjo9454
    @uniteekandjo9454 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What has brought Piet Retief to the land of the Bantus all the way from the Netherlands to come get killed there by a Bantu,supposedly? Indeed culpable provocation his act would be viewed. How ever much the narrator tried to neutralise the Dingaana/Retief narrative,it all similarly amounts to the earlier existing narratives ever presented to history by the Retief historians of the Dutch extraction.

    • @arindajohnson8306
      @arindajohnson8306 ปีที่แล้ว

      What brought the bantu to the land of the Khoikhoi

  • @jethrontombela9108
    @jethrontombela9108 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Uncle Mcredodo also forgot to disclose that he too was gay, that he had a boyfriend...

    • @smamkelementyisi241
      @smamkelementyisi241 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Carry on,I’m listening. I knew he a little bit of queer in him.

    • @siyashilla6885
      @siyashilla6885 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@smamkelementyisi241 what did you notice

  • @lungelonyawose912
    @lungelonyawose912 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ayi lobaba kwakumele athule nje , yini nje le ayichaza la

  • @kingAce3112
    @kingAce3112 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It's not the first time I read or hear that Shaka did some homosexual acts with some of soldiers

  • @fasted8468
    @fasted8468 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    17:00 shaga attachment to his mother.
    Shaga and mother meet father.
    Father treats him cruelly.

  • @siyabongasibanyoni6595
    @siyabongasibanyoni6595 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    What in the "this is big brother" is this

  • @wandagumede4052
    @wandagumede4052 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The narrator calls the Zulu kings chiefs. I'm not too sure about Shaka's homosexual behavior though. I don't find this well balanced.

    • @clp5224
      @clp5224 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Because it's true

    • @AudioBookMasters
      @AudioBookMasters  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The narrator is just reading the words of the author. Kings/Chief can be interchanged depending on the context of the society... You can't have many kings in one kingdom... The Zulu nation was one kingdom, which didn't have one king but many chiefs. There were divisions.

    • @landilemajozi2871
      @landilemajozi2871 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Credo Mutwa sounds captured this story sounds like a story more than an account of the events

    • @ndodazondo6187
      @ndodazondo6187 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@landilemajozi2871 in his interviews and in other parts of the books his inferiority complex towards whites is in full display.

    • @landilemajozi2871
      @landilemajozi2871 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ndodazondo6187 I don't even want to read or hear more what I heard here has put me off

  • @sphamandlamabaso189
    @sphamandlamabaso189 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Please note the book you showed is a fake one with lesser pages than the original indaba my children and it is red in colour!

    • @AudioBookMasters
      @AudioBookMasters  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      We have both books. It’s not fake it’s just published without permission from the copyright holders. Some TikTok videos lack information because they drive a certain agenda.

  • @groovy_ndosh
    @groovy_ndosh 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    So in other words Shaka was not a great king?🤔 Ey kwanani nje you're telling lies

    • @AudioBookMasters
      @AudioBookMasters  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      🤔

    • @gestherkhosa3572
      @gestherkhosa3572 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      He says King Shaka often practiced homosexual acts.

    • @AudioBookMasters
      @AudioBookMasters  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@gestherkhosa3572 do you think he's lying?

    • @DaudeBernardoNamuanga7
      @DaudeBernardoNamuanga7 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      So you believe narratives from foreign writers but regard reports by one of our own writers as lies. Wisdom should inform you that everything these people praise about black man is for their benefit

    • @jethrontombela9108
      @jethrontombela9108 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      This is nonsense. Changing our history to promote LGBTQ here, sponsored narrative.

  • @mhlengidlomo
    @mhlengidlomo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I think 99% of the things said here are misleading

  • @lebogangfortunate8105
    @lebogangfortunate8105 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Credow Mothwa

  • @lungelonyawose912
    @lungelonyawose912 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Amasimba lento ekhulunywa la yoh!!

  • @lungelonyawose912
    @lungelonyawose912 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    , athi amakhosi ama chiefs

  • @nme2ne1
    @nme2ne1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    THIS IS A LIE! This is most definitely NOT from Credo Mutwa.

  • @Eddymaf
    @Eddymaf ปีที่แล้ว

    The story has distortions in terms of dates relations and occurances it is not accurately ochestrated.Wrong version again.

  • @moteague
    @moteague 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    The comment about Shaka's sexuality is a big disrespect to the Zulu people. Pure propaganda.

    • @janetmoreton4607
      @janetmoreton4607 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I read that Shaka was afraid of having a male son and the moment a women because pregnant by him she was killed. The Zulu had no writing so everything is passed down by word of mouth so can vary according to who relayed the history.

    • @user-qb1pd2pp7h
      @user-qb1pd2pp7h 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Credo said that he was kidnapped by aliens and they made him gay,true story he said it in a David ike documentary

    • @Mkhuleko990
      @Mkhuleko990 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@janetmoreton4607 nonsense Shaka had kids he gave them to his younger brother Mpande to raise them

    • @oceanlondon9721
      @oceanlondon9721 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@Mkhuleko990 very true and King Cetshwayo is one of those sons and even in terms of features King Cetshwayo took after ISilo iLembe eleqa amanye amalembe ngokukhalipha, usishaka akashayeki

    • @slindilethabisangcobo4067
      @slindilethabisangcobo4067 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I don’t believe it, especially since this was released after Credo’s death.

  • @lottolottosoulja858
    @lottolottosoulja858 ปีที่แล้ว

    SHAKA Zulu cud never be gay

    • @Eddymaf
      @Eddymaf ปีที่แล้ว

      i think this guy is distorting history and using credo's name.

  • @lolakepi
    @lolakepi 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Greetings from Paris and from global Black family.

  • @davethorstry6700
    @davethorstry6700 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have no problem with Black people and in particular Zulu people where I grew up. I admire their great spirit and pride. Having said that I (as the narrator/author here himself states) that the truth must out and readily attacks otherers, ie, Dingaan, Chaka and Afrikaners, and that history as recorded is totally incorrect/nonsense etc, am astounded at the level of his inaccuracy and hypocrosity/misrepresenting/embellishment of the truth. It is almost totally absolute nonsense which does not reflect history at all. Not worth continuing with.

    • @khanyiso514
      @khanyiso514 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Are you a white person? Cause if you are i dont want to here sh**t from you..😡😤 you know nothing about black history you f**king idiot🖕

  • @jakeraptor1346
    @jakeraptor1346 ปีที่แล้ว

    I dont agree with you. Retief and his men was murdered needlessly when they trusted dingane. Revenge was taken at Blood River, and you know who won that battle.

  • @svipdagx7291
    @svipdagx7291 ปีที่แล้ว

    "...was like the sun;true and light was he"
    The bible"Jesus"i'm the truth and the light".
    So,jesuïts converting by force Christianity why?Nothing to do with the ecomomic same time operation?You think we stupid?And probably more i know nothing about ...in a world drowning in doublefaceness.But it's not áll bad...the sun snined today.

  • @Eddymaf
    @Eddymaf ปีที่แล้ว

    Why does it look like the Zulu history story keeps on getting falsely narrated over the years.This is humiliating and mostly false.

  • @mkholom
    @mkholom 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    This is real rubbish starting from its tittle presented by an imposter.

  • @fissh29
    @fissh29 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Shaka must have had some Hebrew in him!!!

    • @AudioBookMasters
      @AudioBookMasters  3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      What makes you to say that?

    • @fissh29
      @fissh29 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@AudioBookMasters not that hard to figure out... Just look at the Rothschild history!

    • @korionterivers9995
      @korionterivers9995 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      What?? How do we look at the history

    • @sydwellsedibe5901
      @sydwellsedibe5901 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      LoL

    • @cloutlordgunsmoke1009
      @cloutlordgunsmoke1009 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Rothchilds are not real Jews

  • @proveritate9312
    @proveritate9312 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Dingaan was a sly snake. He lured the boers into his kraal. Letting them leave their firearms outside. Then Dingaan had his worriers brutally slain and kill the boers with knob sticks and threw their dead bodies over a cliff. Life saw that and one day soon the wrong will be made right. All the descendants of those warriors will die in horrible ways !

    • @smamkelementyisi241
      @smamkelementyisi241 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lmao okay

    • @azania29jiyane84
      @azania29jiyane84 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ...🕯️I commend Dingana for his act! Let it be known in the 4 corners of the earth!👏

    • @proveritate9312
      @proveritate9312 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@azania29jiyane84 Dingana was killed. And so will all his warriors be one day. The time is not right yet. The world knows this !

    • @azania29jiyane84
      @azania29jiyane84 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@proveritate9312 ...I think you need to teach me my history so I can live up to my name!
      Please recommend me links to check out...👏

  • @pearln2308
    @pearln2308 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Siyabonga for such history

  • @iansmit1344
    @iansmit1344 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    It looks like this guy was witnessing the murder...eish......what a bullshitter,what is his point by doing that....

  • @samkelondlovuomncane
    @samkelondlovuomncane ปีที่แล้ว

    This is not the true story

  • @otonodukemdletshe3227
    @otonodukemdletshe3227 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    No I disagree with lot in this story shaka couldn't be homosexual and for one grandfather To be a witchdoctor to a certain family it doesn't mean that he is telling credible info, we have doctors today who lie about their patient about certain addiction so these can't be admitted as fact but could be a fairytale, in the entire Africa we can't have one king who may have been homosexual never, I for one grow up in a royal family and my grandfather coming from the Ngomane mdletshe clan which at some point were induna yelembe which is now known as Zulu prime Minister role has never spoken about that in all the history stories that he shared so him saying his grandfather was a witchdoctor and could be telling the truth is far fetched

    • @Eddymaf
      @Eddymaf ปีที่แล้ว

      the guy narrating the story is not okay mentally and his naarartion is completely distorted.

  • @bonakelencemane6418
    @bonakelencemane6418 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Also the way in which you narrate history is substandard. The civil war that occurred around Pongolo was not disconnected to the so called great trick of the cape and what was happening in mozambique. Shaka was not a villian as you portray him, rather a situational leader who had to deal with continuing capture of land from the Africans. This led to internal frictions. In your story you still present fallacious supremacy of one bantu tribe against another, as well as one bantu leader towards another. Yet, you fail to recognize a collective injustice that occurred to them, further you make shaka the factor of this tragedy.

    • @ndlavini
      @ndlavini 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Which history are you reading ? … Shaka never fought against people who were dispossessing Africans off their land , which wars ? … All we know he was praised by the colonialists as a hero because he actually helped their very cause , weakening Africans and take their land and live stock.

    • @Eddymaf
      @Eddymaf ปีที่แล้ว

      i dont think whooever narrated this story has information in terms of names been loosly thrown and relation and tribes and relations is not correctly explained.Completely wrong version.Now he he humilates himself the traditional spears where large and shaka created a smaller spear.the are so many false illustrations in this story

  • @lindamasha3552
    @lindamasha3552 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    So people don't know the African alphabet but they somehow know the sexual preferences of people who lived 500 years ago ( bull )

  • @xolanincanana7924
    @xolanincanana7924 ปีที่แล้ว

    Not all in this story is true. Everyone believe their version of a story about the Zulus is true. Shaka is made out to be this angry person, who hated everything about the world, had no friends, enjoyed killing, and never laughed and knew nothing but a spear and war. Can you for a second think and absurd that is, for a man who lived that long. One day a the true story will be written about the Zulu family, written by hopefully a member of the Zulu family.

  • @simpslayer7839
    @simpslayer7839 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Shaka was gaeeeeee?

  • @skhanyisozulu651
    @skhanyisozulu651 ปีที่แล้ว

    Amanga wodwa lawa iLembe ushaka ne Homosexuality amasimba lawa akhulunywa ilomuntu

  • @viwekenneth6028
    @viwekenneth6028 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Shaka never conquered the Bhaca and Mpondo

    • @nkosikhonsgumedr-de4mv
      @nkosikhonsgumedr-de4mv 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      For a record Shaka conquered every tribe

    • @viwekenneth6028
      @viwekenneth6028 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@nkosikhonsgumedr-de4mv 🤣😅 you out of your mind even the Sothos kicked hes ass.

  • @lmc4355
    @lmc4355 ปีที่แล้ว

    This retelling is overly sexual

  • @lungelonyawose912
    @lungelonyawose912 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Anyone who listen to this musy know its LIES

  • @MrHajisurahata
    @MrHajisurahata 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This story is full of crab

    • @AudioBookMasters
      @AudioBookMasters  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Oh, but why?

    • @tpmash
      @tpmash 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Of course, not prawns 🍤

    • @muppet50yago36
      @muppet50yago36 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@AudioBookMasters Because the Zulu did not have a written language only oral accounts, not to mention the author was born 83 years after the death of Piet Retief. Read the Illiad by Homer(which strangely enough wasn't written by Homer as he was blind) to measure the distortion of facts via oral accounts.

    • @AudioBookMasters
      @AudioBookMasters  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@muppet50yago36 the author does say, he was told this story by his grandfather. So this is an oral account. Contrary to the point you were trying to make. Him being born 83 years after means what exactly?

    • @muppet50yago36
      @muppet50yago36 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AudioBookMasters In terms of historical accuracy his work is not valid, dispute arrising by asking the question; who told his grandfather? Who told whoever told his grandfather? In his books he puts into question historical ideas put forth from writers in the era in question. In my point of few he had no leg to stand on for those claims.
      However I do not dispute his skill of literacy, he was a great writer. But not a historian.

  • @moirafrankson3688
    @moirafrankson3688 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love history but I cannot continue listening to this depressing voice ! Sounds like a prep for a horror movie ..I'm sorry, I quit ..
    This is NO James Earl Jones of CNN voice .lol This is creepy!

    • @AudioBookMasters
      @AudioBookMasters  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      😂😂

    • @MsRocknsoul
      @MsRocknsoul 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@AudioBookMasters As a storyteller myself, I enjoyed the way the narrator told the story.

  • @user-qb1pd2pp7h
    @user-qb1pd2pp7h 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Credo admitted he was gay I think his claims of Shaka being gay he wants company

  • @user-qb1pd2pp7h
    @user-qb1pd2pp7h 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Shaka hated his Dad and loved his mum was so violent to men but he is a gay? People who are not African might believe this rubbish but as a African I know it is highly unlikely he even hated his father but Credo is self confessed gay and he was a very fat coward and he grandfather was loyal to Dingane who killed Shaka and was always in his shadow.

  • @user-ts5ld6pn7q
    @user-ts5ld6pn7q 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You.amaqiniso