It was really delightful, though not surprising, to hear about Dr. Griffin's history with Jimmy Carter and the Guinea Worm. President Carter was a literal once-in-a-century individual and that justs adds even more to his legacy.
Just to clarify, for anyone who does not know what Dr. Griffin is referring to @ 2:52 , he is talking about a biblical reference & the ancient Israelites. Parasitologists believe the biblical “fiery serpents” that attacked the Israelites who had escaped Egypt might have been Guinea worms.
I don't really understand why you guys are so meh about masks. I went to our quaternary hospital today to pick up a prescription, and I was the only person there in an N95. I saw one KN95 and a few surgical masks, but otherwise it was just people everywhere milling around, coughing, and you know all these things that you don't want are there in the hospital. The mask costs less than a dollar. It's not lined on the inside with spikes. Why would you not just tell people: put it on, it won't kill you, it could save your winter from being miserable or worse?
I’m pretty sure I got Covid while unmasked to drink water in a medical office building attached to a hospital. Otherwise, I’ve masked and have avoided illness. The effort involved isn’t the big deal that many make it out to be. A nurse treating a loved one had to be reminded to don a mask-in a cancer hospital, mind you.
Evidence based medicine has not shown mass masking to be effective especially when worn for long periods of time, multiple use of same masks, improper doffing and donning, etc. Masks also can cause harm to some people, there are conditions, such as allergies, urticaria, psychological disorders, etc that were aggravated by long term masking. You have the freedom to mask, so before you judge others take some time to think they may have their reasons to not mask. I work in a long term care facility and the majority of our residents voted to not have mandatory masking as the psychological effect on them of not being able to see their caregivers faces was unbearable. I completely understand why there is a meh about masks, it’s because there is a willingness to change one’s mind as the evidence develops.
Agreed. I travel over lower 48 and I do see ppl wearing masks. During Covid19 when we wore masks, no one caught the flu or common cold. Masks are an elegant solution. I am wearing one this winter.
Once again I'm so grateful for your perspectives every week. I'll continue to suggest that 85% infections occur in first 5 days and virtually none after 10. I reflect that Asymptomatic infections remain a defining difference between SARS-COV2 & SARS1.
As an elderly senior I make my caregiver stay home ten days if they have had a positive Covid test. It's hard on her but safer for me. Caregivers are responsible for their behavior around the vulnerable people they help, and they should not be cavalier about infecting their elderly clients. For that reason, the government and private agencies that pay caregivers or send them out to prospective care recipients should provide extra paid sick leave for caregivers so they do not suffer economic harm because of necessarily prolonged time off work due to having Covid.
I did some research a while ago on the three-way test kits and apparently they're not as accurate. I think they should be over the counter here and super cheap if not free.
I'm following economics in China, and one of the channels I watch was one of the earliest to note the rise of Covid-19. Today, Jan. 4th, he talked about others reporting on full emergency rooms due to respiratory infections affecting a higher than usual number of patients. He warned against being overly concerned at this point, but I was wondering if you had heard anything?
I had what my doctor called the Hong Kong flu…years ago. Never been sick since. I’ve always wondered if I had some lingering protection. Now that I’ve said that, I’ll get sick next week. Ha, ha.
First time I turned TWIV off early. 15 minutes and hearing downplaying of the seriousness of the avian influenza rapid spread in bovines. The surviving cows are already showing average decrease in milk production by about 20%. Imagining what we'll learn over next year since this only started happening around March 2023. I have sheep. I grew up on horses and raising cattle. This situation risks breaking our food system more and the farmers and farm workers caring for sick herds and getting "mild" avian influenza potentially at the same time they could have coinfection with "normal" flu. .. whew. Hope I'm wrong. Farmers losing money, consumers paying more, taxpayers paying more for farmer support for every killed poultry and expenses for government and public health issues.
I agree with you. The host then touched on Flu from China as if they completely being ignorant about the 1918 Pandemic which was an avian/swine flu that killed 50-150 millions people world wide. The origin of the virus ( H1N1) was from a pig farm in Haskell County Kansas subsequent introduced into Fort Riley from army recruit March 11, 1918. ( The Great Influenza 1918 by John Barry, The Forgotten Pandemic by Alfred Crosby).
I can buy an at home Covid test, a Covid test with influenza a and B, for reasonable prices, however RSV at home test are ridiculously expensive. Will they be coming down in price?
What is your opinion on nigella sativa oil? I've been able to use it to fight off the early signs of an infection. I take it twice a day and if I sense illness I take more.
38:00 I see there's a company on the web called Altruan. Current price for these 4 in 1 tests are $1.57. The tests in stock don't have an expiration date until August 2026 (good for next winter as well). They ship to the US via DHL. Shipping is $30 for my area of the country (East Coast). 3-4 days for delivery For $50 I could have 20 tests at my door by the end of the week. For $100 you could get 64 tests. Enough to have 40 people gather relatively safely for an event and have leftovers to serial test vulnerable people so they could seek immediate treatment with paxlovid or tamiflu if something was missed. Attempting the same coverage for that event in the US would cost upwards of $800 and wouldn't have any screening for RSV. Anyone have any experience with that company?
A RCT for masking is non scientific. The results depend on the masks being worn correctly all the time. Physics tells you whether they work or not. It's not like "did to take your pill everyday for a week"!!! And results from places like Addenbrooke's Hospital are pretty impressive.
QUESTION ! What proportion of all disease are caused by parasite,bacteria and virus.? It would appear like vaccines are the cure all for everything yet we keep getting sick despite all the new vaccines, something isn't adding up...
No. The end of the program tells you where to send questions. Though you might get suggestions from other viewers. Typically some are quite educated on the subject. Just remember, it's not medical advice. Not even the hosts. They don't know your medical history or issues. So it is just that, "advice". Always in the end seek local medical assistance.
Yes, health care in Switzerland is very good if you don't die waiting for an appointment, or catch something deadly while crammed together in the waiting room for hours for that appointment.
Where did you go? If you have a severe illness you can always go to an AE. Wouldn't necessarily jump into a University Hospital as they are busy and for insta death situations. The smaller ones can handle a lot of the other stuff. I never had to wait for an appointment even for minor things. The problem with the Swiss system is the private insurance scheme that is getting more expensive every year
@@tonycollyweston6182 The swiss one is fine. Far easier access. But Switzerland is also smaller, less people, and to be fair better equipped and organized.
@@sciencefliestothemoon2305 SH -three week wait for an appointment with my house doctor (GP) three months for a specialist. It's even a problem getting taken on by a GP where we are.
Can any of the smart commenters remind me why we can keep testing positive on rat long after we are recovered. I know it's testing n protein of the virus; assuming it's because fragments of the nucleocapsid remain long after you've cleared active virus. Is that correct?
The RAT test can continue to pick up non infectious viral protein after the virulent viral phase is over. My sources say a positive RAT test isn't valid for testing for transmissability beyond 5 days post symptom onset. In "spot" testing for an asymptomatic infection, it depends on a few factors, but in general if you test positive in the absence of symptoms, treat it as a true positive result and take social distancing precautions. For testing after a suspected or confirmed COVID exposure, treat the exposure date as day zero. If symptomatic do test right away. If asymptomatic, wait 2 or 3 days before taking the RAT. Continue to test up to day 10.
I would recommend that person take a PCR test to check on this. If the PCR is positive, they may be experiencing viral persistence. Also make sure they are not eating or drinking before taking the test as some acids can produce a positive.
Still can get infected and get sick. The H is for hemagglutinin, a protein on the surface of the virus that assists in viral entry. You do have exposure to the h5, h1 subgroups, it doesn't mean you have specific antibodies to whatever is floating out there. Hopefully through somatic hypermutation, you have developed b cells and memory close enough to fight whatever you encounter to limit disease. Or you are lucky enough to have t-cells close enough to deal with the viruses themselves.
It was really delightful, though not surprising, to hear about Dr. Griffin's history with Jimmy Carter and the Guinea Worm. President Carter was a literal once-in-a-century individual and that justs adds even more to his legacy.
Oh wasn't he the guy that gave away the Panama canal? 😅
Thank you as always -my Saturday morning ritual is to have a cup of coffee with you both.
lol SAME! Every Saturday for years now.
Just to clarify, for anyone who does not know what Dr. Griffin is referring to @ 2:52 , he is talking about a biblical reference & the ancient Israelites. Parasitologists believe the biblical “fiery serpents” that attacked the Israelites who had escaped Egypt might have been Guinea worms.
thank you both!!Daniel and Vincent! great show, as always!!!
I don't really understand why you guys are so meh about masks. I went to our quaternary hospital today to pick up a prescription, and I was the only person there in an N95. I saw one KN95 and a few surgical masks, but otherwise it was just people everywhere milling around, coughing, and you know all these things that you don't want are there in the hospital. The mask costs less than a dollar. It's not lined on the inside with spikes. Why would you not just tell people: put it on, it won't kill you, it could save your winter from being miserable or worse?
I’m pretty sure I got Covid while unmasked to drink water in a medical office building attached to a hospital. Otherwise, I’ve masked and have avoided illness. The effort involved isn’t the big deal that many make it out to be. A nurse treating a loved one had to be reminded to don a mask-in a cancer hospital, mind you.
I think Daniel still masks at work. I agree though. I wear a basic mask to catch droplets at grocery stores and Drs.
@@gymjoedudeVince is unapologetic about masking on public transit.
Evidence based medicine has not shown mass masking to be effective especially when worn for long periods of time, multiple use of same masks, improper doffing and donning, etc. Masks also can cause harm to some people, there are conditions, such as allergies, urticaria, psychological disorders, etc that were aggravated by long term masking. You have the freedom to mask, so before you judge others take some time to think they may have their reasons to not mask. I work in a long term care facility and the majority of our residents voted to not have mandatory masking as the psychological effect on them of not being able to see their caregivers faces was unbearable. I completely understand why there is a meh about masks, it’s because there is a willingness to change one’s mind as the evidence develops.
Agreed. I travel over lower 48 and I do see ppl wearing masks. During Covid19 when we wore masks, no one caught the flu or common cold. Masks are an elegant solution. I am wearing one this winter.
Happy New year, thanks for your work!
Once again I'm so grateful for your perspectives every week. I'll continue to suggest that 85% infections occur in first 5 days and virtually none after 10.
I reflect that Asymptomatic infections remain a defining difference between SARS-COV2 & SARS1.
As an elderly senior I make my caregiver stay home ten days if they have had a positive Covid test. It's hard on her but safer for me. Caregivers are responsible for their behavior around the vulnerable people they help, and they should not be cavalier about infecting their elderly clients. For that reason, the government and private agencies that pay caregivers or send them out to prospective care recipients should provide extra paid sick leave for caregivers so they do not suffer economic harm because of necessarily prolonged time off work due to having Covid.
@@helengarrett6378 Very sensible
@@helengarrett6378it's nice that you don't care how much others suffer due to your fear. Selfish on man!
I did some research a while ago on the three-way test kits and apparently they're not as accurate. I think they should be over the counter here and super cheap if not free.
I'm following economics in China, and one of the channels I watch was one of the earliest to note the rise of Covid-19. Today, Jan. 4th, he talked about others reporting on full emergency rooms due to respiratory infections affecting a higher than usual number of patients. He warned against being overly concerned at this point, but I was wondering if you had heard anything?
I’ve heard the same. Im staying updated but not extremely worried yet.
Thanks!
12:20 - the risk from hemagglutinin protein mutation in D1.1 is a concern, don't you agree?
Not sure what his point was with the masking comment at 20:00. Is he making a normative claim? I don’t see what’s wrong with masking for even RSV.
I had what my doctor called the Hong Kong flu…years ago. Never been sick since. I’ve always wondered if I had some lingering protection. Now that I’ve said that, I’ll get sick next week. Ha, ha.
First time I turned TWIV off early.
15 minutes and hearing downplaying of the seriousness of the avian influenza rapid spread in bovines. The surviving cows are already showing average decrease in milk production by about 20%. Imagining what we'll learn over next year since this only started happening around March 2023.
I have sheep. I grew up on horses and raising cattle. This situation risks breaking our food system more and the farmers and farm workers caring for sick herds and getting "mild" avian influenza potentially at the same time they could have coinfection with "normal" flu. .. whew. Hope I'm wrong.
Farmers losing money, consumers paying more, taxpayers paying more for farmer support for every killed poultry and expenses for government and public health issues.
Correction , March 2024!!!!
I agree with you. The host then touched on Flu from China as if they completely being ignorant about the 1918 Pandemic which was an avian/swine flu that killed 50-150 millions people world wide. The origin of the virus ( H1N1) was from a pig farm in Haskell County Kansas subsequent introduced into Fort Riley from army recruit March 11, 1918. ( The Great Influenza 1918 by John Barry, The Forgotten Pandemic by Alfred Crosby).
Agreed. Disappointing
Thank you for all the top quality info.
I can buy an at home Covid test, a Covid test with influenza a and B, for reasonable prices, however RSV at home test are ridiculously expensive. Will they be coming down in price?
What is your opinion on nigella sativa oil? I've been able to use it to fight off the early signs of an infection. I take it twice a day and if I sense illness I take more.
38:00 I see there's a company on the web called Altruan. Current price for these 4 in 1 tests are $1.57.
The tests in stock don't have an expiration date until August 2026 (good for next winter as well).
They ship to the US via DHL.
Shipping is $30 for my area of the country (East Coast). 3-4 days for delivery
For $50 I could have 20 tests at my door by the end of the week.
For $100 you could get 64 tests. Enough to have 40 people gather relatively safely for an event and have leftovers to serial test vulnerable people so they could seek immediate treatment with paxlovid or tamiflu if something was missed.
Attempting the same coverage for that event in the US would cost upwards of $800 and wouldn't have any screening for RSV.
Anyone have any experience with that company?
Why do we not do RCT on masking if you feel ill. Does that help spread? They do this in Japan I think.
There was one from Bangladesh
Also RCT for masking is really really difficult.
A RCT for masking is non scientific. The results depend on the masks being worn correctly all the time. Physics tells you whether they work or not. It's not like "did to take your pill everyday for a week"!!!
And results from places like Addenbrooke's Hospital are pretty impressive.
People don't wear masks because they're not terribly afraid of covid. Whether or not the masks work is quite beside the point.
QUESTION !
What proportion of all disease are caused by parasite,bacteria and virus.?
It would appear like vaccines are the cure all for everything yet we keep getting sick despite all the new vaccines, something isn't adding up...
Do you guys answer questions here?
No. The end of the program tells you where to send questions. Though you might get suggestions from other viewers. Typically some are quite educated on the subject. Just remember, it's not medical advice. Not even the hosts. They don't know your medical history or issues. So it is just that, "advice". Always in the end seek local medical assistance.
you can also ask questions of Vincent in chat during his livestreams on Wednesdays, occasionally Dr Griffin is a guest there
Still COVIDing listener here :)
If the dollar store can sell pregnancy tests for a dollar, I expect cov-tests to cost the same
The rise of neurovirus on cruise ships might be because everyone is using alcohol hand sanitizer instead of washing their hands
You're lovely!
Yes, health care in Switzerland is very good if you don't die waiting for an appointment, or catch something deadly while crammed together in the waiting room for hours for that appointment.
If you think that the Swiss system is bad trying the UK
Where did you go?
If you have a severe illness you can always go to an AE. Wouldn't necessarily jump into a University Hospital as they are busy and for insta death situations.
The smaller ones can handle a lot of the other stuff.
I never had to wait for an appointment even for minor things.
The problem with the Swiss system is the private insurance scheme that is getting more expensive every year
@@tonycollyweston6182
The swiss one is fine. Far easier access. But Switzerland is also smaller, less people, and to be fair better equipped and organized.
@@sciencefliestothemoon2305 SH -three week wait for an appointment with my house doctor (GP) three months for a specialist. It's even a problem getting taken on by a GP where we are.
Ya because no one makes you wait. (eyerolls) .
Can any of the smart commenters remind me why we can keep testing positive on rat long after we are recovered. I know it's testing n protein of the virus; assuming it's because fragments of the nucleocapsid remain long after you've cleared active virus. Is that correct?
The RAT test can continue to pick up non infectious viral protein after the virulent viral phase is over. My sources say a positive RAT test isn't valid for testing for transmissability beyond 5 days post symptom onset.
In "spot" testing for an asymptomatic infection, it depends on a few factors, but in general if you test positive in the absence of symptoms, treat it as a true positive result and take social distancing precautions.
For testing after a suspected or confirmed COVID exposure, treat the exposure date as day zero. If symptomatic do test right away. If asymptomatic, wait 2 or 3 days before taking the RAT. Continue to test up to day 10.
I would recommend that person take a PCR test to check on this. If the PCR is positive, they may be experiencing viral persistence.
Also make sure they are not eating or drinking before taking the test as some acids can produce a positive.
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I had birdflu h5n1 and I had h1n1 many years ago ya think I still have antibodies
Still can get infected and get sick. The H is for hemagglutinin, a protein on the surface of the virus that assists in viral entry. You do have exposure to the h5, h1 subgroups, it doesn't mean you have specific antibodies to whatever is floating out there. Hopefully through somatic hypermutation, you have developed b cells and memory close enough to fight whatever you encounter to limit disease. Or you are lucky enough to have t-cells close enough to deal with the viruses themselves.