30. Everything You need to know about saddle hunting
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 มิ.ย. 2021
- Getting in tree, girth hitch, kill story, tether height, no pouches, seat depths, sit not stand, straps support weight, 2-panel don't ride up, ESS advantages, changing clothes in ESS by changing seat depths, maneuvering around tree to hide and for shots, platform with steps, ring of steps, step gaps, holders, bow in tree, multiple times adjusting ESS seat depths, moving to opposite side of tree for all day sits, no legs on tree. Check out the Eberhart Outdoors apparel at:stores.inksoft.com/eberhart_o...
I am about 26 minutes into this video. There is a lot of useful information in this thing. Thank you for taking time to share it!
Love this guy. He is such an old hardass, LOL. Reminds me a football coach. You know he knows what he is talking about. Fall 2021 will be my first year in a saddle. I am watching as many of his tips as I can. Keep it up John.
I hope he reads the comments. I bet He will love being called a hardass.
How did your first year in your saddle go? Did you saddle hunt this past season as well?
@@houseatreides6683 First year was a learning experience. I quickly discovered Jon was right in his teachings. The saddle is my main way of hunting now. I still have a couple climbers I leave out, but it is saddle 95% of the time. I have 6 or 8 kills out of it. I use a ring of tree hopper steps with a hawk platform. The first time I practiced from a tree I quickly discovered the need for a rig of steps to shoot behind the tree. You have next to zero stability otherwise. I ordered tree hoppers steps that evening. Having the ROS allowed me to get shots on a doe and a hog that I would not have been able to get otherwise. The other big thing is having a rig of bow hangers like Jon suggested. I made my own for cheap with aluminum flat rod as shown in this video: th-cam.com/video/fBxnYQyb6sg/w-d-xo.html . It helps a lot when positioning. You can hang your bow a hook over, let line out of your tether, and get into position. I tried ROS only and couldn't get used to it. I like having the platform. It makes leaning more comfortable and helps with saddle adjustments.
@@cjr4497 thank you for your detailed response. I have a predator xl platform and I plan to get squirell steps (ring of steps) soon for precisely the reasons you said and so that I can have a full 360 degrees to hide from deer so that no matter what direction they come from I can just slide around the tree as needed to keep the tree in front of me and stay out of their line of sight. I agree with everything you said. I don't want to saddle hunt without my platform NO WAY AM I DOIN THAT LOL. I gotta have more than those Itty bitty ROS when I'm 20 feet up a tree. I'm just not comfortable without my platform cause I'm not exactly crazy about heights...
Pure gold... for all the junk on social media, uploads like this on TH-cam from experienced men such as Eberhart are just pure gold. Thank you
You're very welcome Dan
John, I feel like we'd get along great. Love the part where you say something like... I didn't build this to impress other hunters. I built it for killing! Thanks for sharing all the knowledge. Much respect from one Michigan hunter to another.
Thanks Clint
Wow, So much information. Most people can not appreciate the information John is giving up here. Nobody alive today has or offers this kind of information. I'v been hunting deer for 48 plus years and if I pay attention John still learns me something. Movement means failure and John is an expert on movement control.. Watch and learn
Thanks John
Thank you and the Tethrd crew, because for 40+ years I’ve been hanging on for dear life hanging stands and now I find out from you guys last year what a lineman’s belt is used for. Actually feel foolish now that you’ve shown me what a lineman’s belt does. Also your comment about just put a few steps around the back of the tree was real helpful. I know you’ve saved me and others many many years of trial and error.
Don’t feel bad! I’m in my late 50’s and have learned so much life related things just by Learning to saddle hunt…….but I think the same things
Great video!! learning a lot just ordered my ESS saddle Thanks John
John is old school. Super precise and methodical. You’re the man John!
As someone very new to saddle hunting - thank you for this information. Most other vids are trying to sell me on their stuff and not offering much useful information.
I'm a new bowhunter and the benefits of saddle hunting are obvious. Thank you so much for putting these videos together. They are a ton of practical help (outside of the books and your podcast guest appearances), especially this one helping me get into my ESS and defining the balance point between function & comfort.
I love old timers. Thank you so much for teaching the next generations of deer hunters!
So much valuable information in this video. Have been saddle hunting for about 8 years and always learn something from John! Thank you!
I'm 57, never used a saddle. Just picked up an ESS, gonna give it a try. I hunt public land and mobility will help I am sure. Thanks for all the information to get me started!
Ditto the age and late beginnings! You are gonna have so much fun! Make sure you rappel! I am in my 3rd season having a blast!
Well I just ordered your saddle John. Hard to beat the price
I liked the discussion on clothing and sweating, and the procedure on dealing with it. Very well done.
I've been saddle hunting since 2018. My first saddle was the aero hunter kestrel. I gifted that one to my son and purchased a second aero hunter merlin. I Just recently purchased a LoneStar 2.0 from TX 5 custom gear.
I like gleaning from your expertise. I've never carried a backpack but I now see the need. I use the Step Ladder climbing system (Wild Edge, Inc.). It's quiet and good for a 61 year guy to ascend and descend a multitude of trees safely. I do have a trophy-line platform, however, prefer the ring of steps. Thanks for the great content.
not too often i watch an hour long video, but this one was worth it thanks for the solid info.
Thanks John- very beneficial video- I paused and applied as I went! There are a lot of guys who are decent at their whitetail game- you have yours down solid!!
Super stoked for my first year of saddle hunting your setup is awesome really helped fine tune my setup
Excellent video! This has answered a few questions already about the ESS and saddle hunting in general. And I’m only 25 minutes in.
John Eberhart is a living legend.
Great video. Better than most other videos out there because it’s more common sense based
Excellent John. Tons of great technical help
This guy really know's what he's talking about. Love it, great wideo. Subscribed.
Harvested my nicest buck a couple days ago and this video helped me do that, still us a platform but have screw in steps (property owner permission) on each side of it, buck came in and I had time to put one foot on a step and one a platform to create the angle needed, thanks for the video and knowledge
I’d like to see a video installing steps and then your technique from ground to hunting height. I’m sure it’s detailed and would be interesting to watch. Thanks for all the helpful tips.
Believe he has one already
also curious about what happens at step installation point
I just started saddle hunting last year with a single panel and hated it because it rides up. You’ve sold me on your saddle. Can’t wait to get one
Looking forward to first time saddle hunting this year. New gear is on the way. Thanx for sharing your expertise John. Should up my game a bit in Missouri bow-only public land this season.
John "LEGEND" Eberhart, AKA John "Don't get picked" Eberhart. I learned a lot from the books years ago and now we get it in 3D! Great content, as always, thanks.
yeah i think he should trademark that phrase about "getting picked" !!!!
i have worked as a lineman for the telephone company for 42 years. we used to put our linemans belt over the catv cable and take our hooks out of the pole to rest our feet. this was similar to what you are doing in a sadde we would do this while waiting on the lasher to get to us with the cable very comforrtable
i never comment because of this insane world recently BUT ; This guy is real all is percisely correct and true no bull
I have not ever heard of saddle hunting till now. I can't wait to get mine
You know your stuff, it’s obvious! Thank you!
Great video, thank you so much for all the great info, I will be applying some of your tips
I swore i would never, ever hunt with a saddle, but after reading "Bowhunting Pressured Whitetails" i ordered a Trophyline EDP platform and tried it out with my rock climbing harness....... immediately fell in love and totally comfortable working around the tree 22 feet up, so now i have a saddle on the way. Treestand is gonna be collecting dust this year. Hopefully i can get a nice deer and get some footage and make a video with the deer before i drag it out, so that i can thank you for all the helpful videos and the great info in your books ! LOVE the tether girth hitch knot and the lower tether height, they both worked very well for me !!!
John,
I wish you would have came out with this type of saddle content a while ago. I think it would have saved a lot of new saddle hunters time and money but I’m glad you are doing it now. Please keep up the videos, I look forward to seeing them. Also thank you for calling out all the BS in the hunting industry it has been steering hunters in the wrong directions and leading to false expectations. Keep calling it out! Good luck this year.
Always will call it out as I always have.
GREAT INFO Sir ! I just find you and you have a new subscriber now ! I live and hunt Aernac County and these deer know every tree stand i have . I'll be in a saddle next season !
Great video, John.
“We’ll, sit in the damn seat why don’t ya”, John says…Ha ha love it!
Love the saddle John! I have a few trees saddles I worked from that are comfortable but not like the two panel.
I could never manipulate my tree saddles like I can the 2 panel.
I just run my safely tail through my d rings to tighten it around my waste to walk in or out. Works perfect and perfect price compared to most for the working man.
Sorry for writing a book but love your videos and you remind me of my 86-year-old grandfather. He's a no b******* straightforward hard ass old man no offense, lol that's still going strong and I have learned a lot from him.
I use a lot of different techniques like tying in with a rope like I did in tree work but I've learned a lot from your videos. Appreciate them a lot and plan on listening to the podcast. God bless you John take care.
Rodger Frydrychowski
Central Ohio
Absolutely great advice John. Love learning from the best. Hunters take does for granted. Huge mistake.
Thanks. Great video. Great info.
Got the ess and hunting out of it and love it will b taking lock on stand down
"You're picking up an extra 2 hours of shooting area." Hahaha what a legend
Very educational. I’ve been using climbers for 20 years sitting 20+ feet. While the summit viper is only 20lbs I would love to drop that weight and be less visible. Still leery climbing with a saddle just don’t have any experience yet
personally when I use a platform I have it level with my climbing sticks on either side so I can move around like you showed
Great video John! Not sure why you'd stay on the same side of the tree as rhe deer. I use both a predator platform or ROS depending in the situation. I like em both. If I'm on an all day sit with my platform and need to reposition on the other side of the tree for the afternoon, I just climb onto my top step and just move my platform to the backside then step back on to it for the rest of the day.
Thank you for the continued sharing of your knowledge through another excellent video. I learn something every time we speak or from any video I watch. Keep it coming John! I agree with Darko on the pack. The present SCENTLOK pack is way too stiff.
ScentLok is coming out with a new pack this fall and it is a BE1 - Grinder and I have no clue what it looks like or is made of, just know it's new for 2021.
That was a great video thank you!! I'm also from Michigan manistee county area
Love all of the information in your videos! I've just gotten into deer hunting and don't really have a mentor so I learn as much as I can online and in the woods. I have a saddle and was wondering about scent control for it specifically. do you wash yours or soak it in odorless detergent as well?
Good job
I know you don't worry about the wind when hunting as it pertains to scent, but I would love to see a video of some of your setups and how you assume the bucks will use the wind to enter into an area. Thanks for the great videos I watch all of them and enjoy them!
Man …. I can see the advantages of hunting out of a saddle being I’ve been using a climber for the past 25 years….. and I appreciate all the knowledge you’re putting out there. I live in Virginia and hunt on private land and public…
Just tried to find the saddle you prefer to hunt out of and can’t find it… I know materials are hard to come by theses days …as I work in construction, so I understand completely. Wondering if you could send me in the right direction in purchasing the saddle you prefer to hunt out of … my season starts oct 2.. I know a little late, but I can see the pros over the negative.
Hi John first off I just want say thank you for sharing all your knowledge with the public. I grew up in Gratiot County MI so all of your episodes hit deep for me. NOW I HAVE A 8YEAR OLD SON MY NEW HUNTING PARTNER I want to put him in a saddle but im not for sure which saddle would be good for him. Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated? will be hunting in the same tree with saddles for his 1st year or so I do own your saddle.
Thank you
The Godfather, literally 3 minutes in and I’m like oh yea never thought of that lol
Same here. The knot tip was awesome.
Love everything you put out man!!! I bought the ESS and I’m having trouble with hip pinch, any suggestions ?
Great info John, being new to saddle hunting, is there a ROS that are not screw in type?thanks.
I got a saddle last year for Christmas. Today is opening day of bow season in Oklahoma, I can wait to get out this weekend and get in the saddle. Great video. Thanks for the tips, tricks, and knowledge.
I'm in okmulgee wma. Where you hunting at?
@@mikeguy9668 I hunt on private land in Cherokee County and various WMA's around the state.
@@Smitmichaels i like Cherokee public, but come rifle season the orange army there is huge
@@mikeguy9668 Oh I don't doubt that for a second.
@@Smitmichaels if you get a shot come down to okmulgee public. Got some pretty decent action here
If you one stick, you’re not gonna want to do that girth hitch bc you’re frequently going from your main rope to your linesman to go around branches etc. I have a caribeaner on the end loop and can quickly wrap around the tree and clip or unclip from the rope. Some say caribeaners aren’t designed for a side load but I’ve read what my caribeaners are rated for with a side load and it’s well within my level of comfort.
J Eberhart… thank you for teaching us to hunt WT the Eberhart way. Lol I got your book, great material. I am from Florida, hunt FL and GA, my wife has family on Wixom,MI. How is the public-hunting there ? Can you recommend a public land to hunt in Wixom, or near Wi, MI, Please
John…going to buy my first saddle setup. What ring of steps would you recommend for a mobile rig? I was looking at those squirrel steps with an ocb strap. Thoughts?
Just got my ESS yesterday. It is so much more comfortable compared to my aerohunter evo.
How about a comparison video between the ESS and the old tree saddle you used for all those years?
Great video as always !! Thanks for sharing !! Question I hunt in Florida public land and I am having a hard time finding good spots .for the last 3 years I haven’t been able to see any deer . Any tip will help Thanks in advance
What kind of steps do you use John? Great video and very informing.
I like a ring of steps. I use wild edge with a perch its call a platform but it like a big step. An public land legal.
They are pretty popular strap ons.
When doing so many clothing changes, are you concerned with scent dispersal throughout all that activity? I try to regulate my temperature by going in slow in the mornings. For afternoon hunts I sometimes take a vest and put it on under my ScentLok jacket. I change as quickly as I can to reduce how long I'm exposed without my ScentLok jacket on.
John I just got a latitude outdoors method 2 saddle made right in your home state! Loving it so far what are your thoughts on them?
Any recommendations on the bridge that squeaks on the d ring of your saddle? Thanks
John you convinced me to get your sling, I have been hunting out of my greens tree saddle for 30 years, I see the big time advantages with yours especially waist mobility, ok my freind how do I get my hands on that bad boy?
Do you hunt with the quiver on or off the bow when in the tree? Thanks
I’d love to know what in the world is holding your quiver up the tree like that! Looks very useful!
Great video. I am new to this channel and saddle hunting. I saw on your Kansas video you shot your buck from @ 28'. What is your preferred method for climbing to your selected hunting location?
John, thank you for taking my suggestion on changing clothing while in the saddle. I used your new ESS last year for the first time as a new saddle hunter. On my first day, I sat in your ESS all day without any trouble. I hunted in WI for rifle season, so I had to figure out how to hunt in your ESS with a rifle as well and to be able to change my layers of clothing. It was a true learning experience, but your ESS made it really easy to stay in the tree. I used the new Predator XL platform. I was wondering what type of steps would you recommend to use with that platform? I hunt public land. Thanks for sharing your knowledge to all of us hunters.
I would suggest calling Dennis at Cranford treestep Mfg. (number is on website) and put your name on a waiting list for a Cranford saddle scafflod ring of steps and I would suggest purchasing at least 2 extra steps for the ring as the unti only comes with 4 steps and you can add as many as you want to the strap.
Great information but my biggest question is when you have to take a leak with the saddle on how does that work?
Hey john.jason from arkansas here.ive been watching & listni g to you for about a year now.i recently found "oldschool" 100/ polypropaline matiereal. "Under garmets". Have you ever worn this type of material? Its rated for cold weather.its very light & reduces sweat big time.just wanderi g if you have ever worn or recomend it for an under garmet? Thanks.
Lots of good information. How do I order your saddle
Great informative video John I was wondering you mentioned using a fawn in distress call; under what circumstances would you use it?
Interesting question and I took a book buck in 2005 by using a Quaker Boy fawn in distress call. There was a big buck moving through a swampy area with a hot doe and they were heading away from me on an evening hunt. I did a sparring sequence and the buck turned and looked in my direction but had no interest as he was with a doe. So I tried a grunt call and then a doe in bleat with similar reactions but he stayed with the doe as they kept moving farther away. I had a fawn in distress call for coyotes and thought, what the hell, I'll try to call in the doe and if she comes in, he will follow. I hit the call for a couple seconds and the doe turned and came right to the tree with the buck following and I took him at 5 yards. She came into the fawn in distress and he was a dead bystander.
John i have the books on your approach to kill bucks but I'm going to take and don't the security cover trick not much of a shot for me but I can pie plate at 70 yards but I don't want to shoot a young buck how would you get a look at him without alarming him and cutting limbs
Does he use sticks to get up the tree? If so which ones
What kind of rope are guys using for their saddle hitch ?
Just ordered your saddle im looking for killing me a big buck and I'm going to hunt the nastiest stuff I can find as long as it's open enough to make an ethical shot
Just ordered one myself, the extra “fear” support got me, and I really don’t want to spend $400 on a kit and hate it. This one seems for me
Thanks for sharing John, what pack is that you are using?
It’s custom made by scentlok not available to the public yet
In NE Ohio, we have more werewolves than deer.... These saddles might finally give me the edge I desperately need.
What are you using to hang your quiver in the tree?
For many years all bows had 2 threaded holes on the side for quivers and they made quiver brackets that screwed into the tree. I use a 30 year old PSE Mongoose sight and quiver and the quiver fits onto the screw in holder.
Appreciate the info John, made myself a double panel saddle, but the panels were separate, so they don’t adjust like yours. So I’m made an improvement to sew them together so they will adjust. Was using D rings already and used my lineman’s rope on them , but will make some lineman’s loops with tubular webbing filled with plastic or rope , Was worrying about a platform but ditched that and made two nice sets of steps. Had a trophyline for decades so I understand the advantages of saddle hunting.
Sounds good Kenneth
The platform is so easy to move.
How’s that quiver hanging?
i have been looking for the Cranford scaffold ring of steps for a while, but they are out of stock without a future date. I am Unable to use nails on our local properties. Any recommendations for rings of step options? Also, what kind of bow holders are you using? that looks easier than using a HYS strap with hooks.
Bullman outdoors ring of steps
EWO sells tree steps in parts. You can build your own from their website. Better than bullman or Cranford but more coin. Bullman are good value imo
Does the back support strap turn a single panel into a double panel?
I use my back strap that way and it works awesome
It's a lot of work
He was saddle hunting before anyone could spell it....circa 1981. There's almost no place you can't hunt with a saddle, and done right I've felt safer in one than a self climber or hang on. Still, it's a radical change from traditional stands.....probably not for everyone.
Looks like that would take some practice looks like everything get in your way
Where can I buy this saddle?
I put a monkey bar on each side of my platform and it is Money!! I have been doing it since I tried a ROS by itself but wanted a platform so I could pee easier. I can get all the way around the tree with 1 step on each side, EZ!
First of all I have never hunted with a saddle but I am interested in them. You have mentioned not using a platform but doesn't standing on the steps hurt your feet? I compare it to standing on a ladder and that kills my feet.
He doesn’t stand in the saddle he sits so it takes 90% of the weight off your feet
You are also using a tree that is perfectly straight.. when switching sides of the tree if it is leaning one direction more vs other you will run into problems
Straight to it no bullshit like this guy
Hey John, thanks for another very educational video. Is there any way we can get scentlok to start mass-producing and selling your backpack?
Maybe in 2023, there is something in the works for 2022. ScentLok does have a new BE-1 backpack for 2021 but I have no idea what it is like.
@@johneberhart4062
Also can they make better fitting pants ? Please the pants are so baggy .
Thanks
Great stuff, thanks for sharing. Please consider this a request for a video on your scent control regime, and also, what’s in your minivan??? How about an unpacking video where you go over the organization and what you pack? Thanks for considering.
I plan on doing another more detailed van video this fall during season when my van is loaded for the season. The last one I did for Tethrd was 48 minutes and it was a spur of the moment video, so a new one would be longer.