@@kristians2704 an elentra or a mazda3 won't take minimal maintenance and constant abuse for 300k kms... a Corolla, although not perfect, will most likely last 300k km with only oil changes and the occasional repair (maybe a starter, battery, etc.) while simultaneously taking a 40min commute every day. u can get a 3 or an elantra to 300k km easily, but it requires the owner have the brain and effort to do plenty of preventative maintenance and religiously follow the manufacture's maintenance log... a Corolla is just common sense really if u dont care about sporty feeling or gimmicks here and there.
I have one. 21 xse manual hatch. It's a ton of fun. Banging through the gears and reving out the engine makes for a great driving experience. It handles wonderfully too. I love my car.
@@TheJamesLykins I have heard that the shifts are short and sweet and the acceleration is punchy and passing power is OKAY. Was looking at these but picked up a fiesta ST instead. I wanted the rolla from a reliability standpoint and found it to be an attractive hatch
Others have said it and I must concur, having the two of you reviewing at the same time is pretty great. Gets you to play off of each others knowledge and questioning each other to give us more info.
I put 150k miles on an 05 Corolla S manual from high school through college in the North East Snow Belt. Despite adolescent fantasies of being the next Colin McRae, I could not kill that car. A bit bummed there's no manual E-Brake in this new Corolla, but thrilled it's offered in a hatchback.
A relative bought an SE hatch with the CVT(with the physical first gear). I was genuinely surprised by the directness of the CVT in that model. I have been thinking about one (a manual) for my commute. Credit goes to Toyota for offering two good transmission options for this car.
We have one of these in the family, and have driven it a couple times. What I like, it has a 1990s feel with present day technology. The A-pillar is not bloated, the interior is petite, but functional, and there's not a 3 yard long dashboard/console in front of you. The car feels like a part of your person. If you want a little zing, and spritely backroad driving going into work this is outstanding, reliable, lively, sporty, fuel efficient little chompy. If you are an avid "hot hatch" person, this car isn't for you. I love it because driving slow cars fast, was always more thrilling than driving fast cars fast.
I have ‘21 XSE and it’s an absolute dream car I love the ride, the manual is a blast to drive, and aesthetically it’s a beautiful car. If you’re paying 25k for one you’re getting ripped off. Look around more I got mine for 21k. Great review all in all and glad you were able to take a look at it.
I own this car. You are correct about the lane departure, it is crap and I turned it right off. It is also slow. No denying that. But it's still fun. You have to rev it out a bit because most of the power is above 4000 rpm. But once you're in the power the throttle is very responsive imo. The only thing that turns me off on this car is the fact that it isn't turbo'd. This car in a 2.0l Turbo would truly be a lot of fun.
I believe the 21 Corolla adds the option to choose from having a full spare and less cargo space in the hatch or having a can of fix a flat and more cargo space
I bought a '21 Corolla Hatchback SE 6MT. I was compar Civic 6MT Mazda 3 6MT too and I decided Corolla. It's enough performance and equipment for me. I'm very happy 🙂
I have a 'Rolla hatch as a daily, its been great. Fuel mileage, decent to drive, great drivers seat. No regrets. Thanks for sharing your experience with the car!
I just bought this exact spec car as a long term daily. Glad that you reassured my decision, it's just a point to point b. I don't want to think about another daily for years now.
@@verdunian595 that’s not true, you have to include Lexus when you talk about Toyota. And there’s nothing wrong with collaborating with another sports car company. It’s like getting the best of both worlds in one car.
@@verdunian595 They have a page on their website where you can sign up for update emails. It's coming. However, I am only interested if it has the GR Yaris drivetrain. If the recent rumors of a Subaru colab on a hatchback ends up getting us a boxer powered Toyobaru, I'm out.
If we take the price of the GR Yaris in the UK and convert it to US currency we get a car that costs $41,500 - $46,500 (£29,995 for the base-model, or £33,495 for the uprated Circuit Pack, according to Google). What's the market?
Love the dynamic between you guys. Matt's paid his dues and has arrived. Zack's intent and earnest but very knowledgeable about marketing this vehicle. Good vibe both. Keep it coming!
I've beat on my 2015 Mazda 3 2.0 6 speed manual Since I bought it new and now I have 250000 miles on it No major issues just recently did the clutch And when I took it apart the only thing that was worn out and broken was to throw out bearingI love simple cars you could just race and not worry about
This is the type of car you buy once. Then pass it on for generations because it literally will not die. You’re not buying it for your kid, you’re buying it for your kids kid.
I feel like prices on cars has gone up significantly recently, even within the last few years. 4 years ago I paid $18,960 for my 6-speed Elantra Sport that had an MSRP around $21k. Granted it's missing a bunch of the fancy safety features aka electronic nannies that some of these newer economy cars are coming standard with, but I don't want them anyway.
I don't think the 2 Liter is sold here in Central Europe. I did do a test drive to find out Toyota's "new TNGA platform/suspension" , but the body roll and the low resolution LCD were a show stopper for me. I guess you have a more sporty version/suspension compared to us. The body roll was as bad as the CH-R over here. I didn't feel any difference between the 2. I do like the new look of the Corolla and the rest of the interior. They have made a lot of progress in and outside.
I work at a Toyota dealership doing new car inspections. I happened to be listening to a recent episode of the podcast where you guys talked about this a bit and was driving one. It's always a treat when we get one of these in.
@@DouEditz I strip all the protective plastic that comes on the cars, test drive them, and put the dealer plate and sticker on the back. Some are a bit more involved than others, but that is the gist of it. I also install various accessories.
Great review! I totally loved my first ever car...a 1986 Toyota Corolla 4-dr 5 speed. I beat the CRAP out of that thing and rung out 100% every drive...55mph felt like mach 1! I can see this hatchback is one of those you could drive at 100%, stay relatively close to legal limits, and have a blast!
bought this car as my daily with zero experience with manual transmissions on march 6th of 2020, very easy car to drive and fully agree with their comments. miss the turbo of the gti i had but the maintenance is far easier and parts are way easier for someone like me who lives in the middle of no where.
Bought a manual corolla hatchback and loved it but it left me wanting a little more sport so I traded it in for a GTI. The Corolla hatchback is an amazing car for what it is and has a lot of tech for the price point
i'm planning on getting one of these, I've got a 2015 mustang gt, i love it, the gas mileage is amazing for the car but my new job won't cut it so i'm planning on getting one it look like a great little car
Good Review gents...I just finished test driving both an SE (w/ 16" rims) and the XSE manuals...in the end I could not get comfortable in either car. I'm a large guy (6') and 250lbs'ish....the seats were a bit to narrow for me and I found the shifter position a bit too high..in the end I went with a '21 VW Golf because of the better range of seating positions for the driver although. you are giving up some nice tech compared to the Toyota..thanks for reviewing everyday kind of cars!
I love my 2003 Matrix XRS with the 2ZZ engine that the lotus came with. The hydraulic steering, manual e brake, as much space as a small suv and LIFT from 6200 to 8300 RPM!
I’ve driven a six speed Corolla sedan and had the same complaint about the clutch. It felt like it was attached to a string. Other than that, loved it.
As someone who owns a 2020 hatch SE with a 6 speed. They are quite on point with this review. The car revs to the moon, and is very fun to drive. I’ve installed lowering springs (rsr super downs) and a aftermarket cat back (remark stainless quad tip). I average 33-37mpg with most of my driving being city-country roads.
Here's something few know. Treadwear ratings can only be reliably compared within a brand of tire. A 400 rated Michelin will wear longer than another brands 400 tire generally. The other ratings on a tire are better. Temperature and traction are more directly comparable.
I’m sure it’ll be reliable, but I recently drove one with the manual and it felt so slow. The gears are long, the steering’s light and numb, and the clutch is super tricky. Drove it back to back with an 18’ Mazda 3 2.0l with a manual and the Mazda felt so much better. I have a 14’ 3 with the automatic and it’s been super reliable. Still a good car, but I’d take a 3 or a Civic over the Corolla any day of the week.
Also there are conflicting reports about rev hang. The one I have doesn't rev hang unless I have rev matching on. Throttle house recently reviewed the apex model and they reported no rev hang.
tyre treadwear rating only translates within the same brand, so a 280 treadwear in yoko might actually be 500 in some other brand, or 350. or 140. it's purely a measure of wear in that brand of tyre.
So glad you made this video. Im on the fence of getting a used 2018 gti or one of these new with a warrantee. Still feel like id hate myself for not getting the gti though
My SE Hatchback DS-CVT new was $18,400 ($20,250 OTD). 16 inch wheels, not 15. Its not a "hot" hatch. It's a nimble Toyota Matrix, which is exactly what I wanted. That said, I do wish Toyota would sell the GR Yaris in the USA.
I own one. It's honestly a decent car, but its far to small to be usable. I thought we could manage but we struggle for weekend trips with myself the wife and 2 dogs. This is a good commuter car for someone, but doing family related activities is a struggle. We are likely going to trade it for a cx-30
Guys i work at a Toyota dealer dont expect this to be on the lot. This would be a special order for us i may get this in dark gray and a black roof. After 5 months i got my hands on a manual 4 door to try but its 29k stupid apex edition adds nothing.
@@matt2m Toyota dealer......Greedy! You guys make killer gross.......because you have so much backend......and lie to all customers lol. Ex Employee I can say it now. Especially these new cars !! You got good people walking in after owning a Corolla for 20 years they want to Buy a $45k Rav4 Lunar Rock XSE With everything under the sun...that will spend time parked at the mall or home 99% of the time. This world is MAD! $30K Corolla. lol
@@DouEditz people need to eat bud and my dealer does not pull that build your payment crap. Her is Msrp our fees and taxes take it or leave it. I will admit people are dumb buying an extended warranty on a Toyota lmao. I’m on salary plus bonus so i dont see those numbers and i dont care i am leaving money on the table but its still good money and way less stress.
Has any clutch pedal had “feeling” in it since they went to hydraulic?? Seems to me, they’re all numb, at least in the average consumer category that I’ve sampled.
All modern manuals have a helper spring in the pedal assembly that makes it much lighter at the cost of engagement feel. Usually not hard to remove and it'll work fine.
25k just seems like so much money for something like this. For a few grand more a GTI/GLI or civic si or any actual hot hatch is alot more car, a lot more fun, and will hold value better. I do think these new Toyota’s are a huge improvement over the last gen stuff.
The Civic Si is an excellent car and a good bargain. I reviewed it a few years ago and loved everything except for the touch screen. I do have concerns about the turbo engine's long-term reliability compared to Honda's NA engines of the past, but that's just speculation at this point. Those concerns for for any turbo car. When I think of Japanese car reliability, I'm thinking hundreds of thousands of miles in the future, with nothing but routine services along the way. Direct injections and turbocharging may impact that, although I hope they don't. JD power gave the 2019 Civic 2.5/5 stars for "predicted reliability". You can find a longer definition on their website but the short version is, "Predicted Reliability is a statistically-derived formula that uses Power Circle Ratings (PCRs) from the J.D. Power Initial Quality Study (IQS) and the J.D. Power Vehicle Dependability Study (VDS) in order to reasonably predict a vehicle's reliability over time. IQS measures initial vehicle quality during the first 90 days of ownership and VDS measures long-term vehicle quality after three years of ownership." But predictions are not iron-clad. We will see what the future holds. ZK
I bought my 2020 Honda Civic Sport Sedan with the 2.0 K20 Naturally aspirated engine and 6 speed manual as a daily driver. 2020 was the last year of the 6 speed manual on that trim. 2021 is CVT only. Was looking at the Corolla hatch but the steering feel and chassis wasn’t as good as the Civic Sports chassis. The rear legroom for passengers was also far superior in the Honda platform. Like yourself I didn’t expect the 1.5. Direct injected turbo engine to be reliable in the long run so I went with the tried and true port injected 2.0 K20 motor. A great daily driver! I plan on getting the new GR86 based off the new Subaru BRZ for the mountain roads in California (where you drove to be exact) but I’m keeping my 2020 Civic sport sedan as my daily 👍🏻🙂
@@TheSmokingTire yeah it definitely depends on what you want, I don’t really care if a car is reliable for 250k miles as long as it’s fun. The current civic si I want to like it but the rev hang and kinda numb experience just kill it for me, civic is a great car all around though.
I love Zack's takes. I was dying at the Newton's First Law of Operation. Oh, and I totally took advantage of that Carl Friedrik code. I've been eyeing a nice passport wallet for some time and the key holders were just gravy.
"brake actuated" limited slip is im guessing another way to say torque victor limited slip. I had a Saab 9-5 with torque vector limited slip, i was very surprised how well it worked. Especially under variable conditions like quick direction change and/or situation change like traction control and overall slippage with ESP on. I defiantly messed around with what it could/couldn't do. And i would put it right there with "real" limited slip if done right, ie like McLaren does on there super cars.
No brake actuated limited slip is another way to say an open differential with a traction control system that attempts to replicate a lsd by braking the slipping wheel.
@@ervin7178 tell McLaren that lol, jk. The reason they use an open diff and torque vector is because they figured the brakes where sp good that it wasnt as issue with brake fade then also it can be more precise and lighter
Dude... it's amazing you mentioned hill hold. MAN! That used to be the bane of my existence in my '14 Mazda 3. Hated that $#!t hahaha. It's cool to see someone else's perspective
More feeling from the clutch, and the 2.5 motor would have been much better. The reason nobody takes the manuals these days is because they are always in the wrong trim line, and because clutch is numb, or shifter is bad.
@@Maattttheww Honda has been known for their manuals. It should be a crime to buy a Honda in an automatic haha. My dad has an 04 TSX, and the close ratio 6 Speed in that car is the only way to go.
Hopefully this comes across as constructive - Not feeling the thumbnail text formatting. I actually didn't recognize it was one of your videos (same goes for the Bugatti) at first - it actually almost convinced me they were from another channel I don't regard very highly.... Granted it appears to be a new thing and I have no idea what the analytics are telling you but your old thumbnails had a kind of no-nonsense consistent appeal to them, and they were almost instantly recognizable. What about just having "The Smoking Tire" written across the top or the bottom? Seems like that's better for branding but again, I'm hardly an expert in these things. For what it's worth, I thought the Cobra video thumbnail was pretty solid, especially if the Cobra was a *little* lower in the frame.
I wonder if they sell this car in a right hand drive market...you could put that driver's seat in here and have the better seat for both front seats....idk about getting power to it and such but that could be a "reasonable" solution
The more I’m into cars, the more I respect the Corolla. Common sense can be a breath of fresh air at times.
This is the progression we all go through ❤
You buy a Corolla so you can save money for the 2nd car you actually want, and keep it as a daily to only use the 2nd car for fun.
I think there are many cars in the segment that are better like the Mazda3 and new Hyundai Elantra
Simplicity and reliability give you the ability to have fun without guilt and maintenance costs hanging over your head.
@@kristians2704 an elentra or a mazda3 won't take minimal maintenance and constant abuse for 300k kms... a Corolla, although not perfect, will most likely last 300k km with only oil changes and the occasional repair (maybe a starter, battery, etc.) while simultaneously taking a 40min commute every day. u can get a 3 or an elantra to 300k km easily, but it requires the owner have the brain and effort to do plenty of preventative maintenance and religiously follow the manufacture's maintenance log... a Corolla is just common sense really if u dont care about sporty feeling or gimmicks here and there.
"Buy it for your kid". Wish I lived in that demographic
Just get them the hot wheels version
An African enters the room. "Buy your kid a car?", "wow"? (Any car)
Right, I guess "bargain" is a relative term too. That's like 3 cars for me.
@@hurkamur1 at least 3 cars
Most dont. It goes to show how disconnected or out of touch people can get once they get to a certain level
I have one. 21 xse manual hatch. It's a ton of fun. Banging through the gears and reving out the engine makes for a great driving experience. It handles wonderfully too. I love my car.
amazing suspension and frame
What size and brand of tyres does it come with?
The blue hatchback looks great, I wish more cars came in that colour
@@mnmmercury1094 i got dunlop sport 225 with mine se and xse get pretty good tires for the longevity of them
Just gone one exactly the same car and my thoughts are the same
Congratulations on a million subscribers.
Thanks!
Please keep doing reviews with both of you.
I cannot believe they make this in a manual in the US. Pretty neat!
I’ve had 4 MT cars, and this one is the smoothest I’ve driven
@@TheJamesLykins I have heard that the shifts are short and sweet and the acceleration is punchy and passing power is OKAY. Was looking at these but picked up a fiesta ST instead. I wanted the rolla from a reliability standpoint and found it to be an attractive hatch
@@Mwingreen I have no doubt the ST is much more fun. Safety was one of my top concerns and the Corollas scored high that year (2019)
Two take ✅
Chapters ✅
NA, MT, Hatchback (not a supercar!) ✅
Excellent road ✅
Rally instructions ✅
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Thanks for adding the video "sections", I often go back to these videos, and it's great to be able to jump right to the part I want to re-watch!
It's a new experiment. We're glad it's already being appreciated and put to use. ZK
I'm really enjoying the" two take " format gentlemen. Thank you.
I must admit I’ve been looking forward to this review. Hearing about it on the podcast got me hyped for this car
It’s nice to know that people get hyped for good cars, and not just supercars.
@@zackklapman3569 Completely agree. Toyota is really putting out quality cars at the moment & I hope this sales
@@iantownsend500 I hope this sells too. I would love to get this car in a manual.
@@jvshotta8845 It would make a great daily or one car for everything
Others have said it and I must concur, having the two of you reviewing at the same time is pretty great. Gets you to play off of each others knowledge and questioning each other to give us more info.
I put 150k miles on an 05 Corolla S manual from high school through college in the North East Snow Belt. Despite adolescent fantasies of being the next Colin McRae, I could not kill that car. A bit bummed there's no manual E-Brake in this new Corolla, but thrilled it's offered in a hatchback.
A relative bought an SE hatch with the CVT(with the physical first gear). I was genuinely surprised by the directness of the CVT in that model. I have been thinking about one (a manual) for my commute. Credit goes to Toyota for offering two good transmission options for this car.
We have one of these in the family, and have driven it a couple times. What I like, it has a 1990s feel with present day technology. The A-pillar is not bloated, the interior is petite, but functional, and there's not a 3 yard long dashboard/console in front of you. The car feels like a part of your person. If you want a little zing, and spritely backroad driving going into work this is outstanding, reliable, lively, sporty, fuel efficient little chompy. If you are an avid "hot hatch" person, this car isn't for you. I love it because driving slow cars fast, was always more thrilling than driving fast cars fast.
I have ‘21 XSE and it’s an absolute dream car I love the ride, the manual is a blast to drive, and aesthetically it’s a beautiful car. If you’re paying 25k for one you’re getting ripped off. Look around more I got mine for 21k. Great review all in all and glad you were able to take a look at it.
I paid 29k and I still love it 😅😅😅 car prices were Fkd last year
I own this car. You are correct about the lane departure, it is crap and I turned it right off. It is also slow. No denying that. But it's still fun. You have to rev it out a bit because most of the power is above 4000 rpm. But once you're in the power the throttle is very responsive imo. The only thing that turns me off on this car is the fact that it isn't turbo'd. This car in a 2.0l Turbo would truly be a lot of fun.
I believe the 21 Corolla adds the option to choose from having a full spare and less cargo space in the hatch or having a can of fix a flat and more cargo space
Correct!
Let’s be honest though, do you really want a can of fix a flat instead of a spare? Lol
Great content as always guys. Hope the back is getting better Zack..!! Laters.
It is! Thanks for the good wishes. ZK
I bought a '21 Corolla Hatchback SE 6MT. I was compar Civic 6MT Mazda 3 6MT too and I decided Corolla.
It's enough performance and equipment for me. I'm very happy 🙂
I have a 'Rolla hatch as a daily, its been great. Fuel mileage, decent to drive, great drivers seat. No regrets. Thanks for sharing your experience with the car!
Can confirm. Got a 19’ Hatch XSE with the manual and it’s the perfect daily for my long commute.
I just bought this exact spec car as a long term daily. Glad that you reassured my decision, it's just a point to point b. I don't want to think about another daily for years now.
I'm waiting on the GR Corolla
I wouldn't hold your breath unfortunately. Toyota refuses to sell us anything fun that they make themselves
@@verdunian595 that’s not true, you have to include Lexus when you talk about Toyota. And there’s nothing wrong with collaborating with another sports car company. It’s like getting the best of both worlds in one car.
Move to Europe
@@verdunian595 GR Yaris?
@@verdunian595 They have a page on their website where you can sign up for update emails. It's coming. However, I am only interested if it has the GR Yaris drivetrain. If the recent rumors of a Subaru colab on a hatchback ends up getting us a boxer powered Toyobaru, I'm out.
"I wish this was a gr yaris" going through everyone's mind
YES
If we take the price of the GR Yaris in the UK and convert it to US currency we get a car that costs $41,500 - $46,500 (£29,995 for the base-model, or £33,495 for the uprated Circuit Pack, according to Google). What's the market?
If lightning struck my Fiesta ST, I can't decide if I'd take a base 2.0 MT Corolla or live off of beans in a Veloster N
Buy something cheap and wait for the GR Corolla
Toyota: "almost unkillable"
Love the dynamic between you guys. Matt's paid his dues and has arrived. Zack's intent and earnest but very knowledgeable about marketing this vehicle. Good vibe both. Keep it coming!
Wish they stuck the Camry 2.5 in this thing.
Exactly, the idea of the scion tc would have been idealized in xse with that 2.5
That’s not really a performance engine tbh it’s pretty slow to rev
@@f181234 how fast it revs depends on the trans not the engine
@@tinuthomas531 Totally depends on the Engine and flywheel. The 2.5 in the manual also revs very slow...
@@sharmilanraj oh yeah oops I forgot about that. I wish the Corolla revved higher with VVTL-I like the old Corollas did. That would be a lot of fun
Neat video, everyone loves a Corolla.
I've beat on my 2015 Mazda 3 2.0 6 speed manual Since I bought it new and now I have 250000 miles on it No major issues just recently did the clutch And when I took it apart the only thing that was worn out and broken was to throw out bearingI love simple cars you could just race and not worry about
This is the type of car you buy once. Then pass it on for generations because it literally will not die. You’re not buying it for your kid, you’re buying it for your kids kid.
Love the new Corolla because it’s made well and like Matt said, feels solid/can’t kill it. MPG is pretty amazing also for non hybrid
I wanna see what Matt thinks of the electric mini up in those hills
I feel like prices on cars has gone up significantly recently, even within the last few years. 4 years ago I paid $18,960 for my 6-speed Elantra Sport that had an MSRP around $21k. Granted it's missing a bunch of the fancy safety features aka electronic nannies that some of these newer economy cars are coming standard with, but I don't want them anyway.
I don't think the 2 Liter is sold here in Central Europe. I did do a test drive to find out Toyota's "new TNGA platform/suspension" , but the body roll and the low resolution LCD were a show stopper for me. I guess you have a more sporty version/suspension compared to us. The body roll was as bad as the CH-R over here. I didn't feel any difference between the 2. I do like the new look of the Corolla and the rest of the interior. They have made a lot of progress in and outside.
I work at a Toyota dealership doing new car inspections. I happened to be listening to a recent episode of the podcast where you guys talked about this a bit and was driving one. It's always a treat when we get one of these in.
You just look at new cars coming in from the truck to see if there was damage? Thats it?
@@DouEditz I strip all the protective plastic that comes on the cars, test drive them, and put the dealer plate and sticker on the back. Some are a bit more involved than others, but that is the gist of it. I also install various accessories.
Back to back videos of a Bugatti and a Corolla is why i love this channel
Love my 2019 XSE hatchback - it's slow but the manual makes it just fun enough as a reliable commuter. Blue aqua mica is also an amazing colour.
Dropping a tire into the ditch/dirt?? Kansai driftuuu? In a Corolla?? Deja vu!
It really sounds like a decent econo/utility that checks enough of the boxes under "fun".
me and my friends all have one of these... fantastically fun daily driver!
I have a 2010 Auris, with a 1.6 valvematic 1ZR-FAE I think? There's just no NVH no matter what part of the rev band you're at.
Great review! I totally loved my first ever car...a 1986 Toyota Corolla 4-dr 5 speed. I beat the CRAP out of that thing and rung out 100% every drive...55mph felt like mach 1! I can see this hatchback is one of those you could drive at 100%, stay relatively close to legal limits, and have a blast!
bought this car as my daily with zero experience with manual transmissions on march 6th of 2020, very easy car to drive and fully agree with their comments. miss the turbo of the gti i had but the maintenance is far easier and parts are way easier for someone like me who lives in the middle of no where.
Bought a manual corolla hatchback and loved it but it left me wanting a little more sport so I traded it in for a GTI. The Corolla hatchback is an amazing car for what it is and has a lot of tech for the price point
How much did you have to pay for a trade?
Two Takes! YES!! 🤙
i'm planning on getting one of these, I've got a 2015 mustang gt, i love it, the gas mileage is amazing for the car but my new job won't cut it so i'm planning on getting one it look like a great little car
I work at a Toyota dealer. Surprisingly the Tacomas are the most common to find manual transmissions inside.
Is the GR car the US is getting is a GR Corolla or GR Yaris? Either way, I think this Corolla looks like a great option.
Great video guys thanks for the input.
I really wish I could reserve one of these for when I'm older and can afford it. I just can't imagine that they'll be easy to find in 5-10 years.
Easier to find than a clean corolla/matrix XRS
It’s a starter enthusiast car, plenty of people will have one, upgrade to something faster and sell it. Happy hunting in the future
@@nathanchildress5596 Okay, that's fair. I like your logic.
Good Review gents...I just finished test driving both an SE (w/ 16" rims) and the XSE manuals...in the end I could not get comfortable in either car. I'm a large guy (6') and 250lbs'ish....the seats were a bit to narrow for me and I found the shifter position a bit too high..in the end I went with a '21 VW Golf because of the better range of seating positions for the driver although. you are giving up some nice tech compared to the Toyota..thanks for reviewing everyday kind of cars!
I love my 2003 Matrix XRS with the 2ZZ engine that the lotus came with. The hydraulic steering, manual e brake, as much space as a small suv and LIFT from 6200 to 8300 RPM!
test drove it 2 weeks ago, 6 speed, needs 40 more HP or loose more weight, or lower 1st 2nd and 3rd gear , torque is low , for the price its great
The car is light, the safety & UI stuff is what makes it chunky
Use the hill brake technique for the hill hold. You don't need electronic interference.
I’ve driven a six speed Corolla sedan and had the same complaint about the clutch. It felt like it was attached to a string. Other than that, loved it.
Nice watches fellas. That Bremont sponsorship is looking good 👍🏾👍🏾
As someone who owns a 2020 hatch SE with a 6 speed. They are quite on point with this review. The car revs to the moon, and is very fun to drive. I’ve installed lowering springs (rsr super downs) and a aftermarket cat back (remark stainless quad tip). I average 33-37mpg with most of my driving being city-country roads.
Here's something few know. Treadwear ratings can only be reliably compared within a brand of tire. A 400 rated Michelin will wear longer than another brands 400 tire generally. The other ratings on a tire are better. Temperature and traction are more directly comparable.
I’m sure it’ll be reliable, but I recently drove one with the manual and it felt so slow. The gears are long, the steering’s light and numb, and the clutch is super tricky. Drove it back to back with an 18’ Mazda 3 2.0l with a manual and the Mazda felt so much better. I have a 14’ 3 with the automatic and it’s been super reliable. Still a good car, but I’d take a 3 or a Civic over the Corolla any day of the week.
Also there are conflicting reports about rev hang. The one I have doesn't rev hang unless I have rev matching on. Throttle house recently reviewed the apex model and they reported no rev hang.
rented one of these to drive to daytona from PA and I loved it
tyre treadwear rating only translates within the same brand, so a 280 treadwear in yoko might actually be 500 in some other brand, or 350. or 140. it's purely a measure of wear in that brand of tyre.
So glad you made this video. Im on the fence of getting a used 2018 gti or one of these new with a warrantee. Still feel like id hate myself for not getting the gti though
GTI for sure man way more tuneable and just starts with a tier higher of parts. I'd also say fiesta ST for consideration.
Corolla is lame imo, reliable but lame.
Get the GTI, buy the lowest mile GTI you can afford and don’t go crazy turning up the boost it will be reliable. Different league of fun.
Fiesta ST?
@@guenthersteiner8163 ford fiesta ST. I don't think they where sold everywhere but they where sold in europe and america
My SE Hatchback DS-CVT new was $18,400 ($20,250 OTD). 16 inch wheels, not 15. Its not a "hot" hatch. It's a nimble Toyota Matrix, which is exactly what I wanted. That said, I do wish Toyota would sell the GR Yaris in the USA.
I own one. It's honestly a decent car, but its far to small to be usable. I thought we could manage but we struggle for weekend trips with myself the wife and 2 dogs. This is a good commuter car for someone, but doing family related activities is a struggle. We are likely going to trade it for a cx-30
Maybe if it was two dachshunds
@@Big.W. 2 goldendoodles. No shedding 🙂
When are 'u testing the new GT3?
Can't wait, that car is amazing
Guys i work at a Toyota dealer dont expect this to be on the lot. This would be a special order for us i may get this in dark gray and a black roof. After 5 months i got my hands on a manual 4 door to try but its 29k stupid apex edition adds nothing.
I have heard its better to get the XSE hatch (and haggle for it at the dealer to get a few K off) than to go for the apex.
@@singular9 always man apex adds nothing really better of with a manual nightshade or an xse
@@matt2m Toyota dealer......Greedy! You guys make killer gross.......because you have so much backend......and lie to all customers lol. Ex Employee I can say it now. Especially these new cars !! You got good people walking in after owning a Corolla for 20 years they want to Buy a $45k Rav4 Lunar Rock XSE With everything under the sun...that will spend time parked at the mall or home 99% of the time. This world is MAD! $30K Corolla. lol
@@DouEditz people need to eat bud and my dealer does not pull that build your payment crap. Her is Msrp our fees and taxes take it or leave it. I will admit people are dumb buying an extended warranty on a Toyota lmao. I’m on salary plus bonus so i dont see those numbers and i dont care i am leaving money on the table but its still good money and way less stress.
Farah will next be appearing in Coming To America II. He already has the apparel for it with the African motif sweatshirt.
Has any clutch pedal had “feeling” in it since they went to hydraulic?? Seems to me, they’re all numb, at least in the average consumer category that I’ve sampled.
yea if course some have more feel than others even comparing hydraulic actuated clutches. It depends on the car.
All modern manuals have a helper spring in the pedal assembly that makes it much lighter at the cost of engagement feel. Usually not hard to remove and it'll work fine.
I love my hatch.. 6mt makes the car
Just waiting on my new springs to come in
would love to see you do this with the new 2021 or 2022 mini cooper and cooper S 2 door.
I wonder how this compares to the 2021 Impreza Wagon The sport model comes with some nice features and is still manual.
Flogging a dead horse, but two takes FTW, the exchange of opinion is a great addition through this format 👍👍
25k just seems like so much money for something like this. For a few grand more a GTI/GLI or civic si or any actual hot hatch is alot more car, a lot more fun, and will hold value better. I do think these new Toyota’s are a huge improvement over the last gen stuff.
reliability , its unmatched. If you go for one of these its because of that. Wanna go for fun/speed. Get a Fiesta or a Golf etc.
The Civic Si is an excellent car and a good bargain. I reviewed it a few years ago and loved everything except for the touch screen. I do have concerns about the turbo engine's long-term reliability compared to Honda's NA engines of the past, but that's just speculation at this point. Those concerns for for any turbo car. When I think of Japanese car reliability, I'm thinking hundreds of thousands of miles in the future, with nothing but routine services along the way. Direct injections and turbocharging may impact that, although I hope they don't. JD power gave the 2019 Civic 2.5/5 stars for "predicted reliability".
You can find a longer definition on their website but the short version is, "Predicted Reliability is a statistically-derived formula that uses Power Circle Ratings (PCRs) from the J.D. Power Initial Quality Study (IQS) and the J.D. Power Vehicle Dependability Study (VDS) in order to reasonably predict a vehicle's reliability over time. IQS measures initial vehicle quality during the first 90 days of ownership and VDS measures long-term vehicle quality after three years of ownership."
But predictions are not iron-clad. We will see what the future holds. ZK
I bought my 2020 Honda Civic Sport Sedan with the 2.0 K20 Naturally aspirated engine and 6 speed manual as a daily driver. 2020 was the last year of the 6 speed manual on that trim. 2021 is CVT only.
Was looking at the Corolla hatch but the steering feel and chassis wasn’t as good as the Civic Sports chassis.
The rear legroom for passengers was also far superior in the Honda platform.
Like yourself I didn’t expect the 1.5. Direct injected turbo engine to be reliable in the long run so I went with the tried and true port injected 2.0 K20 motor.
A great daily driver! I plan on getting the new GR86 based off the new Subaru BRZ for the mountain roads in California (where you drove to be exact) but I’m keeping my 2020 Civic sport sedan as my daily 👍🏻🙂
@@TheSmokingTire yeah it definitely depends on what you want, I don’t really care if a car is reliable for 250k miles as long as it’s fun. The current civic si I want to like it but the rev hang and kinda numb experience just kill it for me, civic is a great car all around though.
I love Zack's takes. I was dying at the Newton's First Law of Operation. Oh, and I totally took advantage of that Carl Friedrik code. I've been eyeing a nice passport wallet for some time and the key holders were just gravy.
Man I love this car. I have a brz but really love seeing this car and if I suddenly had to get a new car, this would be it
Glad you guys reviewed it
Decent package for 25k. Not exciting but not nearly as vanilla as some other Corollas through the years.
There is a performance market (me), add 100 HP + upgraded brakes.
Hey Matt if you get the chance you should try to review the forte gt, its an extremely underrated competitor to the segment with the gti and civic si
I’m curious how a loaded Impreza manual hatch stacks up to this
3100lbs+ and 150hp/145ft-lbs
I’ve owned both. The Impreza feels WAY under powered and not nearly as smooth.
@@TheJamesLykins but you can get a nicer sound system tho
MK8 Fiesta ST would be so much fun on this road!
You need to import some of them Matt, make some great content and then decide on your markup...
Daughter bought the 6 speed. Fun driver. Will last forever.
Just came from watching the McLaren Elva video to this Corolla XSE. Love the variety!
"brake actuated" limited slip is im guessing another way to say torque victor limited slip. I had a Saab 9-5 with torque vector limited slip, i was very surprised how well it worked. Especially under variable conditions like quick direction change and/or situation change like traction control and overall slippage with ESP on. I defiantly messed around with what it could/couldn't do. And i would put it right there with "real" limited slip if done right, ie like McLaren does on there super cars.
No brake actuated limited slip is another way to say an open differential with a traction control system that attempts to replicate a lsd by braking the slipping wheel.
@@ervin7178 tell McLaren that lol, jk. The reason they use an open diff and torque vector is because they figured the brakes where sp good that it wasnt as issue with brake fade then also it can be more precise and lighter
Dude... it's amazing you mentioned hill hold. MAN! That used to be the bane of my existence in my '14 Mazda 3. Hated that $#!t hahaha. It's cool to see someone else's perspective
These guys posting a Corolla while Mr Regular posts a McLaren. Interesting day today
Lol and the Corolla was driven faster for sure!
Hyper Car Reviews and The Smoking Regulars
Cant wait for the gr corolla to come out! definitely will be a worthy golf R competitor
Good to see a review on these. I've got one and with some Performance and suspension upgrades it can be a real fun car to take corners with.
Like what? I’m thinking of getting an XSE for my son.
Toyota needs to offer a sunroof/moonroof option on the hatchback. its offered on the corolla sedan why not the hatchback.
Please review the new Civic Si, I wants to hear what Matt’s impression on the Si
More feeling from the clutch, and the 2.5 motor would have been much better. The reason nobody takes the manuals these days is because they are always in the wrong trim line, and because clutch is numb, or shifter is bad.
@@Maattttheww Honda has been known for their manuals. It should be a crime to buy a Honda in an automatic haha. My dad has an 04 TSX, and the close ratio 6 Speed in that car is the only way to go.
@@Jordan-ql8pv facts nothing really matches Honda manuals from owning several FG2 Si and 08 TSX.
Hopefully this comes across as constructive - Not feeling the thumbnail text formatting. I actually didn't recognize it was one of your videos (same goes for the Bugatti) at first - it actually almost convinced me they were from another channel I don't regard very highly.... Granted it appears to be a new thing and I have no idea what the analytics are telling you but your old thumbnails had a kind of no-nonsense consistent appeal to them, and they were almost instantly recognizable. What about just having "The Smoking Tire" written across the top or the bottom? Seems like that's better for branding but again, I'm hardly an expert in these things. For what it's worth, I thought the Cobra video thumbnail was pretty solid, especially if the Cobra was a *little* lower in the frame.
I wonder if they sell this car in a right hand drive market...you could put that driver's seat in here and have the better seat for both front seats....idk about getting power to it and such but that could be a "reasonable" solution
CVT Xse Corolla vs CVT touring civic?
Maybe cheaper (not to mention more fun) to go with a slightly used but well taken care of GTI Mk VII manual ... ?
Do the auto blip and auto hill hold stay off when you turn them off, or do you have to set them off every time you drive the car?
Damn those are some big ass wheels for a Corolla
I agree they look weird . 17s would probably be much better.
There’s Honda Civics with stock 20s. Maybe in a few years they’ll be 22s
I have them and they cracked and bent left and right but they look good haha
Ya those wheels are no good unless you like to play pot hole slalom on the road and look like you had a 12pack for lunch.
@@vbad128 good thing I bought the tire and wheel protection paid for itself first use!
Maybe I like the jingle jangle...
Hello from Florida!
4:33 "hey are we missing a camera?"