A nice demo vid, really makes the old 3C mk3 (1978)we used to have look somewhat primitive when that machine turned up we thought it was fantastic because it had a heater!
The 3C was amazing in its day Duncan and can still put in a shift now. I've just bought one so it will be interesting to compare old and new side by side.
I love to see a side by side comparison please. My dad 83 would be interested. I remember driving the 3c and the front buc j et bobbing up and down. Didn't matter to much in 1974 couldn't get much over 15mph.
Greetings! A bit late for the party, but here at last! I was able to read over the comments and do find it interesting, the opinions of old vs new. I left the open-pit mining industry roughly 20 years ago and was operating machines from the mid '60's to the late '70's. Mostly through my twenties. the main reason I left was fatigue. We were competing with contractors who were running 'Industry Standard' equipment and we were competitive, but the human cost was high. You won't keep most good operators around with sub-standard equipment, no matter what you pay them. I am in the landscape industry now. We just recently sold our old faithful Bobcat 843. Old, worn, loose and tired, but still working. We replaced it with a Cat 297c multi-terrain loader. This machine has so many features that earlier engineers had not even thought of. It is plush by comparison. However there are functions that the old Bobcat actually performed better. I choose to accept the fact that the joystick controls and the air ride seat as well as the Heater in the winter and the A/C in the summer make up for it's shortfalls! Thanks for posting! See ya in the comments!
I think when you're young also you get a bit of a kick from toughing it out on a rugged, rough old yoke but as you get older, you want a nice, easy to operate machine, quiet, warm/cool and comfortable !
Nicely explained overview Kurt. Now, in the mid 90s he got one at the garage. Still got it, quick glimpse at the end of my video. Sorry links aren't allowed, here's the title 'Another Sunday Another Local Show at Rand '. Anyway, when he got it we used it in the wood. Was going to clear the pond, but that's another story. However there was quite a ramp coming out, and you know how tippy they are. Of course I got the job of driving it. Thought it was going on it's side.....apparently my face was a picture lol. Despite it's rough looking appearance, the pins and bushes etc are actually in very good condition.
You'd be surprised how far they will go before becoming unstable - you'll lose your nerve before they lose their footing. I'll go take a look at the vid !
cool video. technical question, what does one of those weigh or rather what kind of ground pressure does it exert? Just a thought for doing ditches over the summer instead of me and my shovel.
About 7 and a half tons plus a bit more for fuel etc. Depends what the ground is like you're working on but in all honesty, you won't beat a tracked machine for ditching.
mostly it's about 6 to 8 inches of top soil over sandy clay with inclusions of broken rock. Only reason for the jcb would be for travelling on the road between different fields. Cheers for the advice.
That smooth ride system looks to be most useful and makes the machine much more pleasant to operate as you clearly demonstrated. Can you just throw that powershift from forward to reverse without any pause without causing harm or damage? Also is reverse the same speed as forward or quicker/slower?
You can throw them forward to reverse no worries and if you did it by accident on the road then it will just trip the fuse, no big dramas. I always apply the brake to take up any play or slack when shuttling so it doesn't throw all the weight into the other direction immediately, it's a habit I still have from driving loading shovels. Speeds are almost the same if not identical back and forwards which is great for loader work. Some great questions as ever Dan.
Great overview, that's a cab that would be comfortable to do a days work in I've had a very brief play in the old style non turbo 3cx think it was a m reg I didn't warm to it, my overriding memory was v slow on the road and a bumpy ride not being used to backhoes I preferred the 360s I am more used to and have never been in one since. Yours looks to have some go about it and a smooth ride, perhaps with the 360 style controls I could enjoy operating one rather than cursing it!
I've certainly spent time in worse cabs than that ! I reckon an M reg would be about 1994/5 so probably (trying to remember) a Project 12 which I never really liked either.
It's not actually hydrostatic per se Don - I am not a huge fan of hydrostatic transmissions but these Powershifts are much better than the old torque converters. Its very smooth, power delivery is constant and the shifts are positive and not clunky.
what a brilliant video, if you do come across the jcb 1cxt please could you do a video on them please vs a mini digger or would you just recommend getting a mini digger ?
Its amazing how many things around the world change, in about 30 to 40 years just about nothing was sold with a GP bucket, everything was always 4in1 and centre mount was never really popular here, Thats interesting to see they are working the joy sticks like that in that machine, when we climbed over into the centre of the footings in house building we use both loader bucket and Hoe at the same time to suspend the machine which with that would not be possible to do, I can see that they are trying to make things simpler but there are many times that we would drag the machine around by the hoe to re position rather then lift legs we would just lift it and re set which is allot quicker then the other way. But nice bit of kit and the load ride system is just amazingly good on all the modern machines instead of catapulting you out of the seat at 30 to 40 K's an hour lol not to mention the steering with your wheels in the air
Yes, unless there's something I am missing, being able to walk the machine out of a mess would be a slow chore to say the least. It can be done but not anywhere as easy as the older machines.
I still think that the operator on the backhoe when he was at the top of his game was the most impressive to watch, I remember one guy digging footings in sand and then walking the machine into the middle without dropping pace, it was as if you just stepped over it on foot and as quick and I remember wanting to get that good as he was he didn't even drop a cup of sand in as he went and he did that all day long. I hear exactly what your saying Kurt there are many many improvements in these machines in both safety, handle, comfort and ease of operation but we are now in an era where they produce them by the engineers working for the company and many are losing contact with the on the ground users which is never a good thing, changing the control to one end or the other instead of a live circuit makes it cheaper to use, but we never bumped the controls and if you ground attachments and come back to idle then you can talk safely to anyone on the ground without having to kill all circuits but they are trying to make them for anyone with no experience to operate, and there has always been operators and drivers and the difference is light years apart but unfortunately drivers THINK they are as good as the Operator but that is only in their dreams.
Oh By the way I forgot to say, Another fantastic Video My Friend with great well explained content and friendly reliable information in the comments section which is a great thing instead of people being dealt with like cattle.
I used to think that way but it's like p*ssing into the wind and things have changed so we have no choice but to go with them or get out. The thing I like is seeing someone made to look good with a modern machine then floundering like a fish out of water when they are stuck on an older machine which I can drive with my eyes closed !
Oh Mate you crack me up, You bring such wonderful clarity to things that I Love about you, not only do they flounder but they also don't get how we operated them like an octopus with multiple fingers feeling and working independent of the others but all still in unison. As well they don't see until its either shown or explained how much more versatile the machines were when you could control everything or wild down the road when the deadly bounces really got going. I guess we will always Love the old stuff along with the New
Yes ! Still can't get over it having 9820 hours on it and being as nice as it is. Okay, a bit of paint has started to come off and been overpainted here and there but mechanically it was a real powerhouse.
Alreet mukka! Why do you suppose jcb manufacturer a different style backend for the septic tanks'. Think about how much doh they would save if they built 1 style machine albeit with certain features for the tanks.
That's what the Americans are used to. We are working on getting a side shift sent over to a colleague of mine to try out so he can see the difference. They tend to stick with what they know.
Good evening thank you for the video does the machine have a power slide Year s ago I did drive dads case 580f at the time it would out push a jcb loading the front bucket but times have changed now I think jcb have the market Take Care.
Probably one of the earlier 3CX's Wayne because the 3C before it (around the same time the 580F was about but not many 3C's in the States) would outpush a Case day in and day out but then when the 3CX first came out it didn't have the grunt and grip of the older 3C and the Case outperformed them in a lot of ways. Case were always quicker on the backhoe than JCB. I've driven a lot of Case machines including the F, G, Super K and M and I have to say I always liked them.
@@LordMuck Very good! I use a G-Shock when im working. I have a MOD watch from 1944 on a NATO but I cant bring myself to wear it when im working. The G10 looks like a good alternative.
With the right operator a 4CX will out perform a 3CX Contractor. They push like an old 3C and are much more stable than a 3CX. That said I loved the Contractor and would have another.
I prefer the joysticks overall and as it's under warranty it's not an issue if it goes wrong but I know what you mean about the straight sticks and I still like the feel of control with them.
i have driven a 3cx with advanced easy control for 5000 hrs and the overide button works when seat is facing opposite way but rocker switchhas to be on the one you want to use . the switch on the flour movesit from the the old controls to the 360 controls
You use front or rear service and place under pressure, roll rocker with you wrist then operate over-ride and pull/push with opposite service. It's not as easy as the older machines but still walks them out when stuck.
Put my money on a owner driver having that machine. Only other thing them bigger tyres on you lose the tight turning circle with them. Think I would rather have the stick though.
Great demonstration of this 3cx 💯👌
A nice demo vid, really makes the old 3C mk3 (1978)we used to have look somewhat primitive when that machine turned up we thought it was fantastic because it had a heater!
The 3C was amazing in its day Duncan and can still put in a shift now.
I've just bought one so it will be interesting to compare old and new side by side.
I love to see a side by side comparison please. My dad 83 would be interested. I remember driving the 3c and the front buc j et bobbing up and down. Didn't matter to much in 1974 couldn't get much over 15mph.
It's something we have already got planned 👍
Greetings! A bit late for the party, but here at last! I was able to read over the comments and do find it interesting, the opinions of old vs new. I left the open-pit mining industry roughly 20 years ago and was operating machines from the mid '60's to the late '70's. Mostly through my twenties. the main reason I left was fatigue. We were competing with contractors who were running 'Industry Standard' equipment and we were competitive, but the human cost was high. You won't keep most good operators around with sub-standard equipment, no matter what you pay them.
I am in the landscape industry now. We just recently sold our old faithful Bobcat 843. Old, worn, loose and tired, but still working. We replaced it with a Cat 297c multi-terrain loader. This machine has so many features that earlier engineers had not even thought of. It is plush by comparison. However there are functions that the old Bobcat actually performed better. I choose to accept the fact that the joystick controls and the air ride seat as well as the Heater in the winter and the A/C in the summer make up for it's shortfalls!
Thanks for posting! See ya in the comments!
I think when you're young also you get a bit of a kick from toughing it out on a rugged, rough old yoke but as you get older, you want a nice, easy to operate machine, quiet, warm/cool and comfortable !
man pard I have ran backhoes all my life and that side shift is one of the coolest things yet!! awsome vid freind!!
Hey glad you liked it ! I thought you'd like the side-shift !
That unit has some nice options. I love the ability to extend the boom and the quick change buckets.
Those are the things that speed the job up no end Wyatt.
Very nice machine. A lot of the manufactures have gone to the joystick controls. That side shaft is a cool option.
Side shift is a game changer when working in and beside tight areas Lloyd.
why it doesn't have a reverser on the frontloader lever?
Why would it ?
Nicely explained overview Kurt. Now, in the mid 90s he got one at the garage. Still got it, quick glimpse at the end of my video. Sorry links aren't allowed, here's the title 'Another Sunday Another Local Show at Rand '. Anyway, when he got it we used it in the wood. Was going to clear the pond, but that's another story. However there was quite a ramp coming out, and you know how tippy they are. Of course I got the job of driving it. Thought it was going on it's side.....apparently my face was a picture lol. Despite it's rough looking appearance, the pins and bushes etc are actually in very good condition.
You'd be surprised how far they will go before becoming unstable - you'll lose your nerve before they lose their footing. I'll go take a look at the vid !
That's what happened. We'd just got it, was more comfortable after I'd used it for a while.
Brilliant video
Like your co pilot seems quite happy in cab bed and drink provided have springer that loves going with me also nice vid lord muck
from what year is jcb
Love the joystick. Great machine. It has been taken care of.
I have driven machines with 300 hours on that haven't been half the machine that one is. Thanks for dropping by Nate !
cool video. technical question, what does one of those weigh or rather what kind of ground pressure does it exert? Just a thought for doing ditches over the summer instead of me and my shovel.
About 7 and a half tons plus a bit more for fuel etc.
Depends what the ground is like you're working on but in all honesty, you won't beat a tracked machine for ditching.
mostly it's about 6 to 8 inches of top soil over sandy clay with inclusions of broken rock. Only reason for the jcb would be for travelling on the road between different fields. Cheers for the advice.
from what year is jcb
That smooth ride system looks to be most useful and makes the machine much more pleasant to operate as you clearly demonstrated. Can you just throw that powershift from forward to reverse without any pause without causing harm or damage? Also is reverse the same speed as forward or quicker/slower?
You can throw them forward to reverse no worries and if you did it by accident on the road then it will just trip the fuse, no big dramas.
I always apply the brake to take up any play or slack when shuttling so it doesn't throw all the weight into the other direction immediately, it's a habit I still have from driving loading shovels.
Speeds are almost the same if not identical back and forwards which is great for loader work.
Some great questions as ever Dan.
Good video. What year is this model ?
Great overview, that's a cab that would be comfortable to do a days work in I've had a very brief play in the old style non turbo 3cx think it was a m reg I didn't warm to it, my overriding memory was v slow on the road and a bumpy ride not being used to backhoes I preferred the 360s I am more used to and have never been in one since. Yours looks to have some go about it and a smooth ride, perhaps with the 360 style controls I could enjoy operating one rather than cursing it!
I've certainly spent time in worse cabs than that ! I reckon an M reg would be about 1994/5 so probably (trying to remember) a Project 12 which I never really liked either.
Yeah just looked through my old photos, project 12 it was!
I could never get my head around the standard sticks in the floor version, but I think I might manage that one.
I spent a fair bit of time on the conventional JCB levers so I can make one work but I have to think for a day or two when coming off a 360 machine !
What do you think of hydrostatic drives in general? They seem to have improved in reliability over the years.
It's not actually hydrostatic per se Don - I am not a huge fan of hydrostatic transmissions but these Powershifts are much better than the old torque converters. Its very smooth, power delivery is constant and the shifts are positive and not clunky.
Starting to look a bit more like Huddig and Lännen backhoes, good, allways hated backhoes where the levers come from the floor.
what a brilliant video, if you do come across the jcb 1cxt please could you do a video on them please vs a mini digger or would you just recommend getting a mini digger ?
All depends on what you want to do with them.
@@LordMuck landscaping and building a mountain bike track and other light work
Probably on balance a mini digger
@@LordMuck thanks mate I really appreciate it for your time, carry on what your doing, absolutely brilliant !
Hi Kurt. I really like your films. In your opinion which machine is better? JCB 3CX AEC, or CAT 432f2? Regards from Poland
Hi Sebastian, JCB has excellent parts back up, CAT has good power and tear out but overall it's probably the 3CX as an all rounder.
@@LordMuck What you think about those new JCB engines? Compare to Perkins
I like them, they're quiet and good on fuel.
Perkins are a solid engine but most have done high hours now.
@@LordMuck New machine only.
JCB
Its amazing how many things around the world change, in about 30 to 40 years just about nothing was sold with a GP bucket, everything was always 4in1 and centre mount was never really popular here, Thats interesting to see they are working the joy sticks like that in that machine, when we climbed over into the centre of the footings in house building we use both loader bucket and Hoe at the same time to suspend the machine which with that would not be possible to do, I can see that they are trying to make things simpler but there are many times that we would drag the machine around by the hoe to re position rather then lift legs we would just lift it and re set which is allot quicker then the other way. But nice bit of kit and the load ride system is just amazingly good on all the modern machines instead of catapulting you out of the seat at 30 to 40 K's an hour lol not to mention the steering with your wheels in the air
Yes, unless there's something I am missing, being able to walk the machine out of a mess would be a slow chore to say the least. It can be done but not anywhere as easy as the older machines.
I still think that the operator on the backhoe when he was at the top of his game was the most impressive to watch, I remember one guy digging footings in sand and then walking the machine into the middle without dropping pace, it was as if you just stepped over it on foot and as quick and I remember wanting to get that good as he was he didn't even drop a cup of sand in as he went and he did that all day long. I hear exactly what your saying Kurt there are many many improvements in these machines in both safety, handle, comfort and ease of operation but we are now in an era where they produce them by the engineers working for the company and many are losing contact with the on the ground users which is never a good thing, changing the control to one end or the other instead of a live circuit makes it cheaper to use, but we never bumped the controls and if you ground attachments and come back to idle then you can talk safely to anyone on the ground without having to kill all circuits but they are trying to make them for anyone with no experience to operate, and there has always been operators and drivers and the difference is light years apart but unfortunately drivers THINK they are as good as the Operator but that is only in their dreams.
Oh By the way I forgot to say, Another fantastic Video My Friend with great well explained content and friendly reliable information in the comments section which is a great thing instead of people being dealt with like cattle.
I used to think that way but it's like p*ssing into the wind and things have changed so we have no choice but to go with them or get out.
The thing I like is seeing someone made to look good with a modern machine then floundering like a fish out of water when they are stuck on an older machine which I can drive with my eyes closed !
Oh Mate you crack me up, You bring such wonderful clarity to things that I Love about you, not only do they flounder but they also don't get how we operated them like an octopus with multiple fingers feeling and working independent of the others but all still in unison. As well they don't see until its either shown or explained how much more versatile the machines were when you could control everything or wild down the road when the deadly bounces really got going. I guess we will always Love the old stuff along with the New
that's immaculate for those hours.good vid.
That's out there !
Cheers Buddy.
For your type of work is the 3cx better than the 4cx?
Give us a few weeks Lynn and we'll see.....! ;-)
Very nice machine for the amount of hours that are on it!
Yes ! Still can't get over it having 9820 hours on it and being as nice as it is. Okay, a bit of paint has started to come off and been overpainted here and there but mechanically it was a real powerhouse.
What hp is it?
nice vid enjoyed the ride along laddie .
You can hopefully see the difference between the two machines William.
Thanks for dropping by.
nice tour
Cheers William, it's a nice machine despite the high hours.
Thanks for watching !
Those jcbs are so much fun, more fun from driving a moto or car i wish i could own the small one
Alreet mukka! Why do you suppose jcb manufacturer a different style backend for the septic tanks'. Think about how much doh they would save if they built 1 style machine albeit with certain features for the tanks.
That's what the Americans are used to.
We are working on getting a side shift sent over to a colleague of mine to try out so he can see the difference.
They tend to stick with what they know.
@@LordMuck an who am I to question the boffins at JCB! 😜👍
А куда подевали линию подачи на молот ??? А машина отличная !!!
У него есть фидер на заднем плече.
Да, это гладкая машина!
как же мне эти трахтора надоели ....... но ничего лучшего я в этой ,,жизни,, делать так и не научился !
love to see how meny of them hours are on tick over
None with me...!
Yes, you wonder how much of it was waiting around on jobs ?
good job
I love jcb and always will but but I still love my Volvos machines
Volvo are lovely machines.
That nice ! Thanks for sharing!
Hey Clint ! Nice to see you around ! Glad you enjoyed it.
Great video!Grettings:)
Thanks ! Glad you could join us !
love the dog ! my dog goes just about everywhere with me and pouts if I leave him at home.
A days work's just not the same without them James !
Good evening thank you for the video does the machine have a power slide Year s ago I did drive dads case 580f at the time it would out push a jcb loading the front bucket but times have changed now I think jcb have the market Take Care.
Probably one of the earlier 3CX's Wayne because the 3C before it (around the same time the 580F was about but not many 3C's in the States) would outpush a Case day in and day out but then when the 3CX first came out it didn't have the grunt and grip of the older 3C and the Case outperformed them in a lot of ways.
Case were always quicker on the backhoe than JCB. I've driven a lot of Case machines including the F, G, Super K and M and I have to say I always liked them.
I like the flip down forks
Brilliant things Abner, moving packs of blocks or IBC's around the site is as easy as pie with those forks. The old JCB I got has them also.
Sweet machine. For the hours.
Greetings from the US Midwest.
do you have JCB 4CX ?
Rob owns the 4CX and I have the 3C
Whats the watch?
My wristwatch ?
Yes, sir@@LordMuck
It's a military G10. It's one of the only watches I've found to put up with the knocks and abuse I put them through.
@@LordMuck Very good! I use a G-Shock when im working. I have a MOD watch from 1944 on a NATO but I cant bring myself to wear it when im working. The G10 looks like a good alternative.
Use the 44 when going out, not for work.
G10 will do everything you ask of it.
I prefer the 3cx contractor S than the 4cx. The 4cx just feels numb to operate around site & on the road...
With the right operator a 4CX will out perform a 3CX Contractor.
They push like an old 3C and are much more stable than a 3CX.
That said I loved the Contractor and would have another.
looks remarkably like Spalding! :)
Further North, further East...
Thanks for watching !
Lord Muck fair play, enjoying your videos and sense of humour. Being in London, I don't get to see any of this stuff! sad really
Hey ! You get to play with locos and Gardners !
Glad you are enjoying the vids. Good to have you along.
Nice machine...
Thanks for sharing
You're welcome. Stay tuned for the next machine - it ain't so good....
Enjoyed that :)
Good stuff ! Glad you liked it.
she is in good nik for a 6 year old looks like its been well treated by her operators
Like the machine ..... not really a fan of the joysticks myself much prefer sticks less to go wrong personally
I prefer the joysticks overall and as it's under warranty it's not an issue if it goes wrong but I know what you mean about the straight sticks and I still like the feel of control with them.
Can you use the back actor and the front bucket to get out of a bog?
Not as easily as the older ones but yes, it can be done with the override function
i have driven a 3cx with advanced easy control for 5000 hrs and the overide button works when seat is facing opposite way but rocker switchhas to be on the one you want to use . the switch on the flour movesit from the the old controls to the 360 controls
You use front or rear service and place under pressure, roll rocker with you wrist then operate over-ride and pull/push with opposite service.
It's not as easy as the older machines but still walks them out when stuck.
Out of the way seagull!
Darn seagulls and rakins.
U.S. spec machines take away features and ruin the look of the machine as well.
Contractor business
Put my money on a owner driver having that machine. Only other thing them bigger tyres on you lose the tight turning circle with them. Think I would rather have the stick though.
Yes I must admit that I don't find the standard sticks a bother.
The turning circle was better than I thought.
Norfolk boy
That looks like Scoop.
What year is this machine please?
Can't remember, I think I mention it in the video though.