River Crossings (and Alcuin Numbers) - Numberphile

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  • @Hello-fb7sp
    @Hello-fb7sp 7 ปีที่แล้ว +96

    I knew about this problem since childhood but had never thought of it in a mathematical way, this was really interesting!
    The Dr also explained it very well, I hope she appears more on this channel in the future.

  • @johnox2226
    @johnox2226 7 ปีที่แล้ว +861

    "An Anglo-Saxon really smart dude" That is the best description ever, 10/10

    • @yungml
      @yungml 7 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Also not applicable very often

    • @paulc4629
      @paulc4629 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      That's racist

    • @stevethecatcouch6532
      @stevethecatcouch6532 6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Well, Alguin was at least smart enough to copy fro the Arab sources of the problem.

    • @johnox2226
      @johnox2226 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Paul C Your name is racist

    • @yvesivo
      @yvesivo 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      *Anglo-Sachson

  • @Dominikcos7
    @Dominikcos7 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1486

    that cabbage is a broccoli

    • @tohopes
      @tohopes 7 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      BROCCOLI... is SPY!!!

    • @edsiefker1301
      @edsiefker1301 7 ปีที่แล้ว +70

      Broccoli and cabbage are the same species.

    • @RubixB0y
      @RubixB0y 7 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      Ed Siefker, so? They're different strains so that doesn't make them interchangeable.

    • @timseguine2
      @timseguine2 7 ปีที่แล้ว +44

      They don't have to be interchangeable. The species itself is called cabbage. Broccoli is a cultivar of that species, ergo a type of cabbage.

    • @RubixB0y
      @RubixB0y 7 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Tim Seguine I thought they all came from wild mustard way back when.

  • @Borednesss
    @Borednesss 7 ปีที่แล้ว +223

    Dr. Annie Raymond seems pretty cool!

    • @moviesmaster2399
      @moviesmaster2399 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      where can i attempt to post a proof for this problem ?????????????????? please

    • @RWBHere
      @RWBHere 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      It's an NP problem.

    • @EaglePicking
      @EaglePicking 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@moviesmaster2399 That is probably the nerdiest pick-up line I ever heard :D

  • @Faramik2000
    @Faramik2000 7 ปีที่แล้ว +319

    Broccoli can't swim? You haven't seen mine

    • @whitherwhence
      @whitherwhence 7 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Faramik2000 Um, they're talking about cabbage

    • @diek_yt
      @diek_yt 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Eyyy. Sadnecessary?

    • @JoshGroach
      @JoshGroach 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      They talk about cabbage, but they SHOW broccoli.

    • @connortremblay1259
      @connortremblay1259 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Just built different

    • @Triantalex
      @Triantalex ปีที่แล้ว

      ??.

  • @Willzp360
    @Willzp360 7 ปีที่แล้ว +430

    Brady I think your cabbage may, uh, be a broccoli

    • @numberphile
      @numberphile  7 ปีที่แล้ว +157

      I know but there is no cabbage emoji! ;)

    • @ragnkja
      @ragnkja 7 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      Will Price
      It’s the same species, so does it really matter?

    • @Lauraphoid
      @Lauraphoid 7 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Broccoli is a cabbage.

    • @imveryangryitsnotbutter
      @imveryangryitsnotbutter 7 ปีที่แล้ว +87

      It's a Parker Cabbage.

    • @OctagonalSquare
      @OctagonalSquare 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I'm Very Angry It's Not Butter!! That's it! Somebody tell Matt!

  • @GeekyNeil
    @GeekyNeil 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    10:00-10:10 Any vertex cover of this graph needs 4 vertices because there are 4 non-intersecting edges. Cat-Mouse, Goat-Carrot, Rabbit-Cabbage and Wolf-Goose. You need at least one vertex from each of those edges, so you need at least 4 vertices.

  • @diaz6874
    @diaz6874 7 ปีที่แล้ว +464

    But what if the farmer can eat the boat?

    • @reflex5729
      @reflex5729 6 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      El Díaz in this situations you’ve to take goat on the boat that goat will check him out

    • @LokiClock
      @LokiClock 6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Who boats the boaters at the boaters' exhibition?

    • @RWBHere
      @RWBHere 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      LokiClock, the person wearing the boater would do that.

    • @DouglasZwick
      @DouglasZwick 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I knew it was a mistake to leave that farmer unsupervised

    • @limitingchaos
      @limitingchaos 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Turns out the boat, and everything else, is a spherical cow.

  • @rostfleck79
    @rostfleck79 7 ปีที่แล้ว +405

    I can't believe you missed the opportunity to say "We're gonna need a bigger boat!".

    • @jmchez
      @jmchez 7 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      +1,000

    • @gorillaau
      @gorillaau 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Some one has jumped the shark.

    • @tr3ndkiller
      @tr3ndkiller 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      My jaw's dropped ...

    • @KasabianFan44
      @KasabianFan44 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ?

    • @Triantalex
      @Triantalex ปีที่แล้ว

      ??.

  • @KungFuBlitzKrieg
    @KungFuBlitzKrieg 7 ปีที่แล้ว +758

    So the moral of the story is, "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer."

    • @bazoozoo1186
      @bazoozoo1186 7 ปีที่แล้ว +51

      ...And keep the friends of your enimies away from enimies of your friends.

    • @KungFuBlitzKrieg
      @KungFuBlitzKrieg 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Haha! Yes indeed! :)

    • @dan_tr4pd00r
      @dan_tr4pd00r 6 ปีที่แล้ว +49

      I thought the moral was just get a big enough boat.

    • @RandomRageDude
      @RandomRageDude 6 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      keep your friends close and their enemies closer.

    • @osotanuki3359
      @osotanuki3359 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      KungFuBlitzKrieg mmm... not really

  • @RalphDratman
    @RalphDratman 7 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Excellent. Annie Raymond is a fantastic explainer and teacher!

  • @hellocollegejason198
    @hellocollegejason198 7 ปีที่แล้ว +102

    Goats can be lawnmowers, not a quote I was expecting on this channel.

    • @Gold161803
      @Gold161803 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      hellocollegejason198 At least not from anyone other than Cliff.

    • @ccgarciab
      @ccgarciab 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You can actually hire a pack of goats (how are those called?) to mow your grass. I read somewhere that thats what google does in their googleplex.

  • @mikewilliams6025
    @mikewilliams6025 7 ปีที่แล้ว +360

    Wolf would definitely eat the cat. You've broken math, Brady. Stop that.

    • @StezzerLolz
      @StezzerLolz 6 ปีที่แล้ว +166

      The cat would eat the rabbit, too. And the goose would just destroy everything in a psychotic rampage, because geese are bastards.

    • @gabehennessy-oreilly1177
      @gabehennessy-oreilly1177 6 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Nice callback

    • @Siggvard
      @Siggvard 6 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      The cat could climb up a tree.

    • @Siggvard
      @Siggvard 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      The cat could climb up a tree.

    • @HappyBeezerStudios
      @HappyBeezerStudios 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      The cat would climb up the boat.

  • @feliciabarker9210
    @feliciabarker9210 6 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I'd really like a follow-up video that dug into how you DO check if a vertex cover is the minimum size

  • @jessesantana8408
    @jessesantana8408 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I was entranced by Dr. Raymond I could listen to her teach for years.

    • @dm551
      @dm551 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      th-cam.com/video/m-tyhEX_LaE/w-d-xo.html

    • @jessesantana8408
      @jessesantana8408 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      dm551 thank you wonderful stranger! Hope you have a nice day :)

  • @rohansastry
    @rohansastry 7 ปีที่แล้ว +264

    But... goats eat everything!
    So... wouldn’t the goat also eat the boat?

    • @lukasschmidt2478
      @lukasschmidt2478 7 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      For the puzzle to work though, none of the animals must do anything when the farmer is watching.

    • @josephoduor2358
      @josephoduor2358 7 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Says the one who has a wolf as a pet

    • @pleasedontwatchthese9593
      @pleasedontwatchthese9593 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      The 🐐 ate the 🚜.

    • @pmcpartlan
      @pmcpartlan 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Rohan Sastry If a goat ate a boat, would it float?

    • @Nemelis0
      @Nemelis0 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Pete McPartlan: Only in a moat

  • @jwrm22
    @jwrm22 7 ปีที่แล้ว +66

    In the meantime, the wolf ate the cabbage as he was very hungry.

    • @gorillaau
      @gorillaau 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      jwrm22 The wolf relieved itself on the cabbage.... and smirked "Enjoy your dinner now"

  • @ROL4NDpkmnguide
    @ROL4NDpkmnguide 7 ปีที่แล้ว +162

    I like her accent

    • @paint4pain
      @paint4pain 7 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      French Canadian, probably from greater Montreal area.

    • @monkey7431_
      @monkey7431_ 7 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      Sounds Dutch to me mate

    • @joewhitmore6776
      @joewhitmore6776 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I was just wondering what kind of accent is that

    • @timhoheisel8939
      @timhoheisel8939 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      French-Canadian, in fact, Montreal.

  • @alvkarthik2018
    @alvkarthik2018 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    i have heard this problem a hundred times but never thought that people are actually serious about these kind of problems. and that;s why i love numberphile .

  • @AnastasisGrammenos
    @AnastasisGrammenos 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    A cool application of this is in chemical storage units. There you have chemicals that shouldn't be close with some (conflict) and chemicals that are ok to be side by side (not conflict). So you need to get a storage unit with the min_vertex_ cover + 1 different rooms

  • @MrTheNaboo
    @MrTheNaboo 7 ปีที่แล้ว +65

    Graph theory seems to pop up everywhere.

    • @anselmschueler
      @anselmschueler 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Maximilian Wollner it does

    • @kailomonkey
      @kailomonkey 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Because graph theory says this problem can get too complicated let's just draw it as a network, try our best then declare it too complicated.

    • @mensaswede4028
      @mensaswede4028 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yeah, graphs are succinct representation of “things” (vertices) and “relationships between things” (edges). And a lot of problems deal with things and the relationships between those things.

  • @brenthooton3412
    @brenthooton3412 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    14:15 the interesting question is the balance between efficiency (do it in as few crossings as possible) vs capacity (get away with the smallest boat as possible).
    7 crossings for 5 animals seems really inefficient. But maybe the cost of a bigger boat outweighs the cost of the extra crossings.
    Or maybe the river is really wide and the cost of the extra crossings makes the bigger boat worth it.

    • @housellama
      @housellama 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Found the engineer!

    • @kennethgee2004
      @kennethgee2004 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@housellama well probably, but optimization issue are also in mathematics with the equilibrium theory discovered by Nash. The optimization issue has also been extended into law and other areas, so it is an important concept.

  • @soulstealer29a
    @soulstealer29a 7 ปีที่แล้ว +333

    From the thumbnail I thought we were summoning a really cute demon.

    • @Sionweit
      @Sionweit 7 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      hahaha

    • @ObjectsInMotion
      @ObjectsInMotion 6 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      I mean the venn diagram of satanists and graph theorists IS a circle...

    • @miteshgurav6069
      @miteshgurav6069 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Anthony Khodanian The math is strong with this one!!

    • @Ghostofchristmasfuture
      @Ghostofchristmasfuture 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You can try to summon a demon with any shape you want it will Probably have the same result.

    • @omikronweapon
      @omikronweapon 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'd try a penciltangle, to summon a cute nerdy demon.

  • @pants1337
    @pants1337 7 ปีที่แล้ว +93

    Runescape's 'Recruitment Drive' quest.

    • @ab12345cdf
      @ab12345cdf 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      always think about this when i see this proble lol

    • @Devan...
      @Devan... 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      first think i thought of. lol

    • @andyrhodes1554
      @andyrhodes1554 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      I wish I had seen this video years ago when I did this quest...

    • @arejm7304
      @arejm7304 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      hahahhah awesome

  • @MateusSFigueiredo
    @MateusSFigueiredo 7 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    She's great! Do more videos with her

  • @Dominikcos7
    @Dominikcos7 7 ปีที่แล้ว +113

    *insert the cabbage scene from avatar here*

  • @Frosty-oj6hw
    @Frosty-oj6hw 7 ปีที่แล้ว +225

    This channel is like a never ending fountain of attractive, nerdy, maths goddesses.

    • @camilohiche4475
      @camilohiche4475 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Instant platonic crush right from the thumbnail.

    • @omikronweapon
      @omikronweapon 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      How can you have a crush on someone simply by looks, implying attraction, and it being *platonic*?. It's almost the exact opposite of platonic.
      Your statement is indeed false. Now I'm wondering if you actually ONLY comment falsehoods.

    • @camilohiche4475
      @camilohiche4475 6 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@omikronweapon Thank you for making me check this comment so I come back to this video and admire this beautiful professor once again.

    • @TymexComputing
      @TymexComputing 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You omitted the pentagram, the goat and the blood :)

    • @Triantalex
      @Triantalex ปีที่แล้ว

      false.

  • @johnbouttell5827
    @johnbouttell5827 7 ปีที่แล้ว +405

    After spending so much time in the boat, the wolf will soon become domesticated. He may end up rowing the boat. Wolf Boat Tours R' Us.

    • @rockinRrr
      @rockinRrr 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      the wolf is the boat.

    • @BeeryGamer
      @BeeryGamer 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Then we won't need the rower/owner of all those vegetables and animals no more, so the number of seats of the boat required will always be the lowest vertex number! Give me those millions now thank you very much!

    • @RWBHere
      @RWBHere 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      If the farmer rowed badly enough, and the river was rough, then the wolf would soon become too travel sick to eat anything.

    • @jans1982
      @jans1982 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Or maybe ff you do every trip with your wolf, then you'll be friends with the wolf and then leave him with his food on purpose

    • @elimalinsky7069
      @elimalinsky7069 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      John Bicycle So that's how the wolf became a dog?
      Being ferried from one bank of the river to the other :D

  • @vimalk78
    @vimalk78 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is perhaps my favorite numberphile video.

  • @ninogaggi
    @ninogaggi 7 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    Why would a farmer have a wolf?

    • @wierdalien1
      @wierdalien1 7 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Alan Murray 4000bc farmer

    • @numberphile
      @numberphile  7 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      th-cam.com/video/DDzTyOJSe-Y/w-d-xo.html

    • @ritikchawla8298
      @ritikchawla8298 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      lol

    • @ninogaggi
      @ninogaggi 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Numberphile yes that was my inspiration

    • @revjmyoung
      @revjmyoung 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you for this -- I had the same thought from Gareth! ;-)

  • @Mrqwerty2109
    @Mrqwerty2109 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Learned about this problem from Professor Layton

  • @jukka-pekkatuominen4540
    @jukka-pekkatuominen4540 7 ปีที่แล้ว +69

    The Wolf would definitely eat the Cat.

    • @SuperSMT
      @SuperSMT 7 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      And the cat would eat the rabbit... My cat has

    • @MateusSFigueiredo
      @MateusSFigueiredo 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      it would have to get the cat first

    • @jukka-pekkatuominen4540
      @jukka-pekkatuominen4540 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      If the Cat runs away you'll end up losing them both. So in case of riddle it wouldn't work either.

    • @cyberneticube
      @cyberneticube 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      And the goose would definitely eat the carrot and the cabbage, but what does it really matter, it's just en example :)

    • @seraphimwiththecheese5880
      @seraphimwiththecheese5880 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Cats eat grass. I've seen mine do it.

  • @iamalexkempton
    @iamalexkempton 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is some classic numberphile right here!

  • @dragoncurveenthusiast
    @dragoncurveenthusiast 7 ปีที่แล้ว +111

    As a kid I always wondered how the farmer keeps the wolf from eating the goat and the goat from eating the cabbage if he IS there with them.
    I never got an answer.

    • @lucianodebenedictis6014
      @lucianodebenedictis6014 6 ปีที่แล้ว +40

      He just says: "No, you can't".

    • @gabehennessy-oreilly1177
      @gabehennessy-oreilly1177 6 ปีที่แล้ว +35

      He makes them attempt to prove the collatz conjecture

    • @liltonyabc
      @liltonyabc 6 ปีที่แล้ว +33

      Swiper no swiping

    • @Gold161803
      @Gold161803 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Spray bottle?

    • @NathanK97
      @NathanK97 6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      he has an oar
      and not a flimsy plastic one... a solid hand carved oak oar

  • @hossamel2006
    @hossamel2006 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Somehow this is an amazing video...probably the best one I've ever watched 😃

  • @LaGuerre19
    @LaGuerre19 7 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    My broccoli brings all the goats to the yard

    • @acbonbe7059
      @acbonbe7059 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      LaGuerre19 no that’s a carrot

  • @sweatygenius
    @sweatygenius 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I loved this

  • @beeeesac
    @beeeesac 7 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Always loved problems like these!

    • @neelparmar6690
      @neelparmar6690 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Many years of playing Professor Layton have prepared me for unexpected river crossings...I'm sure it will happen one of these days...

  • @franktoffel
    @franktoffel 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excellent explanation! I really like the way it drives you to the limitation of the initial thought. More of these!!

  • @swaiii
    @swaiii 7 ปีที่แล้ว +52

    This is some anti wolf propaganda. From my point of view the cabbage is the evil one

    • @pavphone2616
      @pavphone2616 6 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Well then you are lost!

    • @omikronweapon
      @omikronweapon 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      how about that sadistic farmer that keeps messing with everybody.

    • @purplewine7362
      @purplewine7362 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      only a wolf deals in absolutes

  • @EdithKFrost
    @EdithKFrost ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Cats are so badass that even the wolf is too afraid to eat them.

  • @CharlesTheClumsy
    @CharlesTheClumsy 7 ปีที่แล้ว +251

    I don't know any other channel that puts their name in the title of every video.

    • @azbyn692
      @azbyn692 7 ปีที่แล้ว +82

      Computerphile also does it

    • @frozenglobe
      @frozenglobe 7 ปีที่แล้ว +61

      and Sixty Symbols

    • @JohnDCrafton
      @JohnDCrafton 7 ปีที่แล้ว +60

      It's for search engine optimization (SEO).

    • @subinmdr
      @subinmdr 7 ปีที่แล้ว +84

      Smarter Every Day and almost every singer and band channels

    • @cyrillamat4888
      @cyrillamat4888 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I do

  • @flinkwieeinwiesel5657
    @flinkwieeinwiesel5657 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow, what an inspiring and cheerful way to present the problem. More please!

  • @shahbazsheikh3545
    @shahbazsheikh3545 7 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    "Blood everywhere or shreds of cabbage".... hahahaha!
    Great video.

    • @rohansastry
      @rohansastry 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Shahbaz Sheikh Sheds of broccoli everywhere

  • @ajtheown
    @ajtheown 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    As a Tim, I appreciate your use of emojis from a variety of platforms :)

  • @UygurPalestino
    @UygurPalestino 7 ปีที่แล้ว +82

    But...Why she has a Wolf in the first place?

    • @Derpster2493
      @Derpster2493 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Mittens.

    • @Gumshoesamurai
      @Gumshoesamurai 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Protection from other wolves. Camouflage?
      An "apex predator" makes your party a danger to aggress (attack).

    • @jakubpekarek6400
      @jakubpekarek6400 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      So the wolf doesn't attack goats the farmer has at home. Remember? You need to take the troublemaker with you everywhere, every time. Duh.

    • @LinkEX
      @LinkEX 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I guess that's one reason why mathematicians are sometimes perceived as aloof, living in surreal imaginary world; and why exploring math is actually far more creative and far from dry and formulaic, as some would argue.

    • @OriginalPiMan
      @OriginalPiMan 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Guard dog.

  • @macacoman
    @macacoman 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    One of my favorite videos! Great job you guys.

  • @theendofit
    @theendofit 7 ปีที่แล้ว +56

    Pffft....sence when can cabages not swim.

    • @SolitaryCZ
      @SolitaryCZ 7 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      theendofit It's common knowledge. No vegetable can swim... the wheelchair is too heavy.

    • @Superphilipp
      @Superphilipp 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      SolitaryCZ, I lol'ed

    • @SUPAAH_
      @SUPAAH_ 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      how heavy is the cabbage that you cannot hold it?

    • @stapler942
      @stapler942 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      A cabbage would sink in water, otherwise it would be a witch.

  • @mihaitmf
    @mihaitmf 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Really cool stuff behind an apparently easy problem. Plus, I love how mathematicians write so neatly on thoes big paper sheets.

  • @olliestone5549
    @olliestone5549 7 ปีที่แล้ว +281

    They should invite Big Shaq here... His math skills are mind boggling.

    • @OEpistimon
      @OEpistimon 7 ปีที่แล้ว +43

      The mathematicians working with numberphile wouldn't be able to comprehend his quick mafs...

    • @philipsneck3571
      @philipsneck3571 7 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Agreed, his mafs are just too dang quick

    • @neelparmar6690
      @neelparmar6690 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Mathememagics ting

    • @cosmicjenny4508
      @cosmicjenny4508 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Purposely Mistaken Nah, man was decent at maffs. Man got...
      D...

    • @alandouglas2789
      @alandouglas2789 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Purposely Mistaken lol, seriously?

  • @bidaubadeadieu
    @bidaubadeadieu 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Really nice video, one of my favorites from recent Numberphile. I love the introduction of a simple problem followed by the general case, much like the Josephus video.

  • @AgentM124
    @AgentM124 7 ปีที่แล้ว +132

    P=NP?
    N=1 then.
    QED

    • @meh6422
      @meh6422 7 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      Wow ya so smart, very intellectual much IQ

    • @AgentM124
      @AgentM124 7 ปีที่แล้ว +33

      Horus yas yas. I used to watch Rick and Morty! 🙃

    • @scottgoodson8295
      @scottgoodson8295 7 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      Agent M Or P=0

    • @astamite-
      @astamite- 7 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      This is almost 100% correct. The only thing missing is that you forgot to prove P=NP.

    • @AgentM124
      @AgentM124 7 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Astamite true, also wasn't P the variable, so setting it to 0 would mean N could be anything. But meh, I won't ever become a farmer so I don't bother.

  • @sachamm
    @sachamm 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great stuff, I love how your subjects are so enthusiastic.
    We definitely need more on complexity theory!

  • @SmileyMPV
    @SmileyMPV 7 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    But finding the minimum vertex cover was NP hard already :p

  • @mikeybud3501
    @mikeybud3501 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very interesting mathematical take on this ancient riddle. Love it as always! 😛

  • @yero
    @yero 6 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I think I fell in love ❤ also I think that the wolf would eat the cat if it was really hungry

    • @jiggely_spears
      @jiggely_spears 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      A wolf is basically a dog - it would eat ALL the things...

  • @anteconfig5391
    @anteconfig5391 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You just gave me an easy problem to see if p = np
    thanks. Now I know which puzzle to do when I get bored.

  • @JohnDCrafton
    @JohnDCrafton 7 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    A wolf will definitely eat a cat, if it can catch the cat.

    • @JohnDCrafton
      @JohnDCrafton 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      So? I have personally seen a mild-mannered dog rip a cat to shreds (the dog just wanted to play, but unfortunately for the cat, he played too rough). Wolves are decidedly less mild-mannered than dogs.

    • @hart-of-gold
      @hart-of-gold 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      When I was a kid our cat (a small tom cat) beat a large rottweiler by climbing on to the back of its neck and clawing the eyes and chewing its ears.

    • @JohnDCrafton
      @JohnDCrafton 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      We can exchange anecdotes until we die, doesn't change the fact that a wolf will at least try to eat a cat, and will have varying levels of success depending on the intelligence and fitness of the cat. But if the cat gets away it's most likely gone up a tree, and then the farmer has a different problem on his hands.

    • @PuzzleQodec
      @PuzzleQodec 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      At least the wolf and cat will be sufficiently distracted from eating anything else, so the farmer can bring the rest of his stuff to the other side of the river, and his boat can be smaller.

  • @mraBJJ33
    @mraBJJ33 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'm not smart enough to know the practical application of this but it was still really cool to learn about it in a way that was easy for me to follow along.

  • @ethanpfeiffer7403
    @ethanpfeiffer7403 7 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    I prefer the Professor Layton river crossings.

    • @neelparmar6690
      @neelparmar6690 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      One of these days solving all of those Layton puzzles will come in handy in real life...one day soon I'm sure...

  • @johnredberg
    @johnredberg 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    In all fairness: Given the classical result that the minimum vertex cover problem is NP-hard, it is not surprising that the "do I need an extra seat" problem is at least NP-hard as well.

  • @delve_
    @delve_ 7 ปีที่แล้ว +110

    Roses are red
    Violets are fine
    You see this here hyphen ~
    It's a Parker Line

    • @kye4840
      @kye4840 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      ~~~~~Tilde not hyphen~~~~~

    • @delve_
      @delve_ 7 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      +Ky E
      [thatstheidea]

    • @thexavier666
      @thexavier666 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      That's a Parker Square of a poem

    • @Triantalex
      @Triantalex ปีที่แล้ว

      false.

  • @michaelzumpano7318
    @michaelzumpano7318 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have seen the first problem before but never the generalization to a vertex cover plus one. Nicely done Dr Raymond. I’d like to see more videos on the application of graph theory. Any relationship to Hamiltonian path, partition or Ramsey theory would be fun too.

  • @ndavid42
    @ndavid42 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    "the rabbit and the goat together are fine. there won't be *too much* violence there" TOO MUCH??!

  • @JB-kn2zh
    @JB-kn2zh 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Obviously we have a much more sophisticated knowledge of this problem now than when Alcuin wrote it down, but I'm still impressed by the puzzles and ideas medieval thinkers came up with.

  • @menturinai1387
    @menturinai1387 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    What is the smallest number of trips required?

  • @doodelay
    @doodelay 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm convinced that math problems are more fun then physics problems because they can be as playful as the one who imagined them but the generalizations are so profound

  • @riccardopratesi7943
    @riccardopratesi7943 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    What about the case of one character being at risk of suicide, and it cannot be left alone? or it can be left only with some of the others? I mean, if in the graph there are also lines linking oneself, but only in absence of some other vertex?

  • @EnginAtik
    @EnginAtik 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Conjecture: Define a measure for the nodes to belong to a vertex cover as: number of loops they are part of plus number edges they have. Remove the node that has the highest measure from the graph by zeroing the row and column that belongs to this node in the incidence matrix. Repeat the process until the rank of the incidence matrix is zero. This will give the minimum vertex cover. Measure = diag(a*a) + a*ones(nodecount,1), where a is the incidence matrix.

    • @EnginAtik
      @EnginAtik 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Also going to the other side of the river and and coming back is the same thing. It is symmetric: if you film the successful boat crossing and watch it backwards we will note that nobody eats anybody this time either. This symmetry could be useful in figuring out whether boat size should be one more than the minimum vertex cover.

  • @isaacbankart
    @isaacbankart 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    0:45 i'm glad the cabbage can't swim that would be really worrying

  • @adriansarbu2001
    @adriansarbu2001 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think that if the vertex cover is equal or bigger than the remaining vertices (after removing the vertex cover) divided by two then you will need a boat with the minimum places else you will need a boat with minimum places plus one (sorry for bad english)

  • @CaptainHandsome
    @CaptainHandsome 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Why does the Farmer have a wolf?

  • @ivarkrabol
    @ivarkrabol 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thought of a quick method to check that a vertex cover is minimal in some cases: the vertex cover must be minimal if you can find a matching which matches all its vertices, i.e. a set of edges which do not share any vertices and which "touches" each of the vertex cover's vertices.
    This because 1) the minimum vertex cover (mvc) of a graph must necessarily be at least as big as the mvc of any subgraph; 2) the size of the mvc of a graph formed from the edges of a matching and their vertices would necessarily be equal to the number of edges in the matching.
    Might be useless and/or obvious, but I though it worth mentioning, since "it's actually not such an easy thing to check."

  • @althaz
    @althaz 7 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Well I *was* going to go to bed, Brady, but I guess I'll watch this first instead :).

  • @ChrisWalshZX
    @ChrisWalshZX 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    9 things to take across. There are 2^9 = 512 potential vertex covers (brute force) to check. There will be plenty of ways to eliminate this combos though. As we're looking for the minimum vertex cover, we can start with 9 x 1 VC, then 2 VC, then 3VC etc.

  • @rollstuhlmeister
    @rollstuhlmeister 7 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    What if the wolf eats the farmer???

  • @CesarDainezi
    @CesarDainezi 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    "If you were able come up with a polynomial time algorithm to determine it for any graph what it is, then you would prove that P = NP." That plot twist!

    • @beeble2003
      @beeble2003 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Not much of a plot twist, really. It's extremely common for problems in graph theory to be NP-hard. Once you've seen a hundred of them, the only reason this one is interesting is because the problem is "Is the answer x or x+1?" Another similar one is that, but the four-colour theorem, every planar graph can be coloured with four colours, but it turns out to be NP-complete to determine whether a planar graph is 3-colourable.

  • @bongjoobrianlee
    @bongjoobrianlee 7 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Cabbage looks like a Broccoli

    • @ragnkja
      @ragnkja 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Bong Joo Brian Lee
      Whatever, it’s the same species.

  • @sydwys8
    @sydwys8 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    So, I think it's clear that choosing the vertex with the most lines repeatedly will find a vertex cover. Will repeating this process with each possible largest vertex necessarily find the lowest such cover?

    • @rmsgrey
      @rmsgrey 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      No. Simplest counterexample: 7 vertices, 6 lines. One with 3 lines, going to 3 other vertices, each of which has a second line going to one of the last 3, each of which has only that one line. If you take out the central vertex first, you're left with 3 lines remaining with no common vertices, so have to take 4 vertices in total. If you take out the 3 vertices of degree 2, then you get all 6 lines in only 3 vertices.

    • @Reubs1
      @Reubs1 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      If that were true, then P = NP

    • @sydwys8
      @sydwys8 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I've been given a counter-example, but I think the NP hard issue is not the smallest vertex cover, but whether this problem requires the smallest vertex cover or that number + 1.

  • @将軍九八.彁
    @将軍九八.彁 7 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    wolf can't eat the cat, lol

    • @piotrarturklos
      @piotrarturklos 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      The cat would be way too annoying as prey, scratching the eyes and running between the legs.

    • @soberhippie
      @soberhippie 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Given half a chance, a cat might eat the wolf.

    • @RWBHere
      @RWBHere 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Or run up a tree.

  • @loneboatmapping4298
    @loneboatmapping4298 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    It's actually easy to prove, because the network that would form in any of the 2 sides is a simplified version of the bigger net (With fewer conections) so it will require the same, if not less, cover

  • @laptop006
    @laptop006 7 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Rabbit's can't cut through steel beams

    • @ragnkja
      @ragnkja 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      LapTop006
      [citation needed]

    • @stevethecatcouch6532
      @stevethecatcouch6532 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      A farmer is trying to cross a river with a wolf, a rabbit, and a steel beam ...

    • @jiggely_spears
      @jiggely_spears 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Neither can burning aviation fuel....

  • @danielyuan9862
    @danielyuan9862 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    10:16; 4 is the minimum vertex cover because there are 4 points with 4 edges connected to another vertex. If there are 3 vertices covered, then one will not be covered. It is connected to 4 other vertices and a maximum of 3 are covered so one will not be covered, so there will always be a line connecting to it, and it is not a vertex cover.

    • @danielyuan9862
      @danielyuan9862 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      In general, the minimum vertex cover cannot be less than n if there are n points each connecting to n other points (can be with each other).

  • @danieltaber4924
    @danieltaber4924 7 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    That's not a cabbage. That's a Broccoli.

    • @Aoltooliol
      @Aoltooliol 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Daniel Taber same species

    • @RWBHere
      @RWBHere 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      One word for that: Brassica!

    • @TigruArdavi
      @TigruArdavi 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@RWBHere Wrong, two words for this: _Brassica oleracea_

  • @salehinkibria8377
    @salehinkibria8377 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    the distinction between minimum vertex cover and minimum vertex cover + 1 cases seems simple enough. We must simply determine if any part of the minimum vertex cover is connected to more than one vertex outside the minimum cover. if so, it is a minimum vertex cover + 1 case, else minimum vertex cover case.

  • @acorn1014
    @acorn1014 7 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    This video is not on the most recently found large prime number. Disgusting!

    • @ashley2khoo510
      @ashley2khoo510 7 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      A Corn i dont see anything interesting to say since it is a mersenne prime except acknoledging it. They have a video on some older largest mersenne prime. So really no point making a video IMHO.

    • @numberphile
      @numberphile  7 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      We've done quite a few "new largest prime" videos over the years... :)
      Watch them and just imagine we're using the new number!

    • @scottgoodson8295
      @scottgoodson8295 7 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Numberphile A video by induction, so to speak

    • @ColdFishMus
      @ColdFishMus 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      DISGUSTANG!

    • @ragnkja
      @ragnkja 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ashley2 Khoo
      Yeah, the videos about the 49th known Mersenne prime cover just about everything, so there’s no reason to make one for every future Mersenne prime.

  • @atom1496
    @atom1496 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very cool, Annie!

  • @Luxalpa
    @Luxalpa 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The cat would definitely eat the rabbit and it would probably try the goose too.

  • @JesseGilbride
    @JesseGilbride 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    More Dr. Annie Raymond videos, please.

  • @pizzamannetje79
    @pizzamannetje79 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    What does "NP hard" mean?

    • @IDoNotLikeHandlesOnYT
      @IDoNotLikeHandlesOnYT 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      (I could easily be wrong, but here it is as I understand it.) In basic terms, as it applies here, there's no way to solve the problem analytically; you have to use trial and error. More advanced explanation: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P_versus_NP_problem

    • @antanis
      @antanis 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Look up p vs np and the computational zoo by hackerdashery.

  • @mensaswede4028
    @mensaswede4028 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love how there is always a line in these videos where the guest says “I’ll need another piece of paper...”

  • @heraok1766
    @heraok1766 7 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Please publish a video which the word mathemathics pronounced by everyone who prepared a numberphile video 🙄

    • @rohansastry
      @rohansastry 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      MatheMATHics?!?!?

  • @blazebluebass
    @blazebluebass 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    In what universe does a farmer keep a wolf?!
    Cool video! Always interesting to see these problems being projected by geometry so solve them.

    • @housellama
      @housellama 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Most farmers keep Canis lupus familiaris. Only the sub-species differ.

  • @saras8166
    @saras8166 7 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I've not seen a single comment about the problem itself yet.

    • @yvesivo
      @yvesivo 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sara S Me neither. I hoped for some comments on the P NP topic

    • @andrewl5267
      @andrewl5267 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Then you haven't seen mine yet ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

  • @KenGray
    @KenGray 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Fascinating Topic in general. I always like watching your stuff because I learn something new every time, if I can make it through. Also I find fascinating in the US, we call that broccoli not cabbage.

  • @xenialafleur
    @xenialafleur 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The cabbage looks suspiciously like broccoli.

    • @RWBHere
      @RWBHere 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Shhh! It's in disguise!

  • @mothman.industries
    @mothman.industries 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Geese having Teeths is the most terrifying thing I'll ever learn from this channel, tbh.

  • @2supertux
    @2supertux 7 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    what if the wolf decide to not eat the mouse ? like chewbacca with the porg

  • @Mswordx23
    @Mswordx23 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    But are we SURE the cabbage can't swim?!

  • @mikejohnstonbob935
    @mikejohnstonbob935 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    tis like a graph coloring problem