Silent Hill HD Collection: SH Retrospective
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It is finally time to cover the one #SilentHill release almost everyone agrees is the worst of the worst. #Konami saw fit to hire on a rookie team with no experience in making an HD Collection, and thanks to the ditching of the games' source code, and other equally dumb moves, this collection ended being the laughing stock of the #SurvivalHorror community. For those who haven't touched this abomination, I have dirtied my hands to find out just how bad it is. Let's dive in!
Normally I wouldn't do this, but I have addressed the same issue 20 times already. Yes I have seen the Great Debate videos with Tom Hulett, and no it does not disprove anything I've said here. The information that made it into this video, is the information that can be objectively proven.
1, Konami dumped the source code for the game in the collection
2, Hijinx decided to use incomplete source code instead of running the original, or PC versions on an emulation layer (which could have looked and performed just as good, if not better than what we got.)
3, Tomm Hulett planned from the very start to re record all voiced dialogue, and re write the original script.
These are the 3 issues that lead to every issue I brought up in this video, and nothing said in the Great Debate video disproves any of it. If the info in the Great Debate interview did disprove any of this, I would still not use it, as it is hearsay, coming from the one man with a good enough reason to lie about things. Those 3 issues are objective fact, that has been confirmed by Tomm, his team, and members of Konami. You'll excuse me if a story made up by a guy facing extreme amounts of criticism, after the fact, which contradicts the story he told before all the harassment, seems a bit suspect.
Except the interview with him happened before he left Konami in 2013. The interview took place in 2011. That and he decided to do the new audio recording because he wanted it to be good. He knew fans would be upset, but he wanted to be in-charge of it because he wanted it to at least be quality. That and he did not direct the actors or even choose them that was by Elizabeth McGlynn. So if you have issues with the VA work that should be on Ms. McGlynn who is an accomplished ADR director and long time SH collaborator.
The reason the VA work had to be redone was because of issues with Konami and the actors, not Tomm. Tomm pushed to get the original VAs audio performances and this is collaborated by others in the project such as Jeremy Blaustein and Guy Cihi who have no reason to lie (especially in regards to Tomm's involvement).
That and Tomm did not have an active part in this games development (the producer in charge would be Devin Shatsky). The issues with it are on Hijinx and Konami. You can critique Tomm for a lot of things but the HD Collection as a whole is not one of them. If you did not like the new script and VA work that's fine, but Tomm did fight to get you the original audio for SH2.
Sorry love your content, but it was highly biased against Tomm for something that he did not do.
It's really funny that we are supposed to treat Tomm as poor innocent holier than life victim all of a sudden.
Like walking talking bible and other shitload of arrogant-ass proven quotes magically did not happened. The guy lost his Konami-did-it card by his own damn hands. PR is a thing, you know.
@@facepalmvideos1 Oh, Tomm made bad decisions. I just think we need to be more fair on where to hand blame. Downpour that's Tomm, Book of Memories, that's Tomm, HD Collection... that's not really Tomm. He only handled the logistics in getting the new recordings done and did touch-up work on the scripts. If you liked the new voice work or not, that's fine, but that's also on Mary Elizabeth McGlynn so give her equal credit/blame on that one.
The technical issues with the project are on Devin Shatsky, Hyjinx and Konami (more Konami).
There was a few videos that investigated the mess of silent hill hd collection. At some point in the video tomm had explained that he had play tested or something and made a list of bugs and everything that was wrong with it. He emailed to whoever that needed to look at and moved on. All the problems he had listed were the common complaints the game recieved. I think they didn't have enough time to fix the game so they released it I could be wrong and or I really don't remember the details of that matter . Months down the line they called him again to play the game and write down all the bugs in the game, and he was like "wait a minute, this looks familiar " then realizing he was writing the same things down like before . Some got patched in afterwards but I believe Tomm was surprised they didn't patch the problems the first time around.
@@Wexter0083 Mary Elizabeth McGlynn did get her fair share of shit for this, even in video you commenting on.
But you just can't do such monumentally stupid thing as "touching up the script" in freaking HD remaster and then be the guy that has nothing to do with this regardless. Especially when your intent to rewrite said script is on record all over the internet. Public relations kinda work this way, for better or for worse.
This was a road built by his own arrogance
Konami should hav hired bluepoint to remaster this. The MGS HD collection they made was one the best collections i've played
Bluepoint pretty much nails all the ports or remasters they handle.
not only that, but there were plenty of studios who have the experience with ports or remasters other than bluepoint, and they went with a studio who had none.
@@Dacho_Shaki u're right! I just mentioned bluepoint bc they worked with Konami on the MGS collection.
Except, they were working on MGS HD collection which released in 2011 and then went on to work on the Vita version on PlayStation All-stars which came out in 2012. Silent Hill HD also released in 2012.
Konami went to the lowest bidder to spend as little money as possible.
All I’m wanting is SH 1,2,3,4 all available in their original forms on PS4
Ps4 or switch or Xbox one
Just want to play these games on a modern console
how about the complete originals (with none of the Hulett bugs) packaged with proper remakes?
eh but that would require competent programmers
I was gonna buy this for Xbox one but idk now oof
We need a Silent Hill Collection for modern consoles. Also. Castlevania vol. 2
@@TheIronTiger44 Konami has proven how little they value their franchises, we need a team of dedicated fans that appreciate all the original team and VA talent did to buy the IP so it can be done properly
HD Collection voice acting: Anime
Original voice acting: Real people
HD Collection voice acting: Mary Elizabeth McGlynn is a jealous ice queen and used her role in casting to put herself in the spotlight and bring her Funimation friends along too.
Well, Vincent has Sasuke's voice
Is hardly call the voice acting in the originals sounding like real people. They are just as badly done as the resi series. However due to the strangeness of the goings on in sh it fits well
*Reads title*
SH Community: Wow thats a weird way to spell "trash"
^ this
You read my mind.
*#lolz*
Hot take; it's nowhere near as bad as people make it out to be
@@Darstag good to hear :)
Charles Manson once was asked how does it feel to be crazy psychopath and he replied
-"I don't know,I never played SH 2 with new voice over"
Charity also once said:
"I punched my Mother out once."
The biggest crime of the collection is that Silent Hill 4 wasn't included.
Because 4 sucked but also they didn’t add origins ps2 version either , 2 and 3 was masterpieces so understand them doing just them
@@starman5901 in your opinion. 4 is underrated, best one since 2.
They didn't add origins because Team Silent didn't make it
@@liammcnulty1987 lol best once since 2 😂😂😂 nah your must be trolling , 1 , 3 and origins shit on 4 , 4 on level of homecoming, not bad but not good
@@starman5901 cry harder. I'm sorry my opinion upsets you so much, kid. I'm glad you loved 3 the most, but I thought it was too similar to 2, with a rehashed story of the first game. The 4th had the best atmosphere. The gameplay was clunky and the game had many faults but the atmosphere and story made up for it. No other SH game had that feeling of dread, especially when your room started to get haunted.
No need to get so angry and upset because I think 4 is under appreciated. In fact, there's a lot of recent interest in SH4 lately, people are starting to look at it again.
If you're just looking for an argument for the sake of it then I suggest you go elsewhere.
@@liammcnulty1987 because 4 is over rated , yes i do say story is good thou, but Enemies and level design was bloody awful , also that sill resident evil chest too
You were actually more generous to the HD collection than I was expecting. I didn't notice most of the good side you were talking about in the collection until you mentioned them!
O_o ok i've played silent Hill 3 ...maybe 3 times....WAY back so i really don't have any idea how heather sounds... but the short clip where she sits on the bed.... she sounds WAY to "grown up" and "sexy" for a teenager/young adult
You are exactly right.
No one:
Avalanche Reviews: it works through my framemeister just fine
Lol, we get it. You have a framemeister. Move on.
In Tom Hewlett's defense, when you work for a company that literally hires internal police to make sure you don't talk shit about the big guy at the top, and still expects you to deliver state of the art output with broken alpha versions of games created 10 years ago, the very fact that he was even able to make these is a miracle in itself. the poor man was stuck between accountants that didn't know how game design works and outraged fans that were too angry to see he was doing what he could.
meh, after Homecoming I had it in my heart to forgive, NOT after book of memories and the HD collection. My charity for Tom, especially when he acted like a godking who knows SH better than the fans yet fucked up consistently, ran empty by 2014. and hearing what the HD collection crew tried to do to the voice cast of SH2 was utter garbage
*INTERNAL POLICE*?!? good god
Really sucks that this game was my entry to the series. Luckily I had enough sense to buy original versions on ps2 that I had to rebuy because god damn, it still made me fall in love to this series. Thats the only good thing about this collection. It brought attention to the series.
Unfortunately many newbies dont understand that a lot of bad things in this are not in the original games.
I really hated SH3 in this, mainly because the new voice actor completely fucked her character up. She seemed bitchy and I just didnt care for her. Then bought the pc version and later ps2 version and now shes my favorite female game protagonist of all time. Thank goodness I've played the originals now so many times that the taint is slowly wearing off.
Same here essentially. Played 1 on an emulator then played 2 on hd. had the sense to but a cheap ps2 and copies of 2, 3 and 4. It didnt taint my experience that much though. 2 is still one of the scariest, most emotional games I've ever played. And probably still my favourite survival horror game ever.
Dude same this was my entry to it. I played 3 as a demo.
l haven't been able to play the originals for years, l had hoped for so long they would have fixed this HD collection mess so l could replayed them on console. can't bring myself to replay them in this deplorable state
The original was on PSX now called PSone - probably before you were born
@@Thatitchyguy Try the original 1 with the pterodacyls!
"I hope everyone who worked on it never find work in this industry again". That was a pretty gigantic manchild thing to say. If you work at a crappy company that gives you a crappy boss who then orders you to do things that are a bad idea but you have no real authority to override what he's saying you should never find work in the field again? Come on now.
Exactly. The higher-ups at Konami are responsible. Too tight deadline, feud with voice actors, losing the game sources, etc
It's funny how a small group of modders made a better job with a PC version of SH2 for free rather than a paid studio with a shitty 11th hour port job.
Well, one put heart in them work, while the other only go for a quick buck
Adding mods to an ongoing project for one game on PC is not the same as porting two games based on unfinished code to two different consoles. None of us know how much money, time and resources were given to Hijinx Studios to work on this project. While I'm not defending the quality of the product, it's clear that they had the cards stacked against them from the start.
Then again, I guess it's just easier to play armchair developer because it's just a port right? What's so hard about translating code to two new pieces of hardware that the originals weren't coded for? Why not just hire some modders instead? I'm sure they would've got it done perfectly.
@@ieatcrayons20 Honestly, they probably could have just used the PC assets instead of the unfinished codes to smooth out the process, fix some of the bugs from the PC version and all. Some of the FF remasters were based on a PC version.
@@Dacho_Shaki The problem with that is that according to a Hijinx developer, Konami only gave them the PS2 code of the games to work with. The issue isn't with the assets (sounds, textures, 3D models) but the code that dictates how it's all supposed to work together. I can only imagine how much of a nightmare having to not only port unfinished code but then have to do QA on code that your team didn't write and then figure out how to fix it.
This whole thing was doomed from the start because of Konami's choices.
Modding an existing game with zero deadlines or time constraints, and without having to think about paying salaries for employees is a much much much easier task than having to recreate a game from unfinished code on a short schedule and tight budget. This isnt hininks fault at all, it's konami's. Why are yall do ignorant to what goes into making games. Every single dev in the game industry is passionate about what they do, but if your higher ups say it has to be done by a certain day, well too bad thats just how it is.
I’m gonna be honest here
This was my SH introduction
I wasn’t there for graphics or frame rate
But mostly or characters and story
Sooo win?
Oh I also played with the original voices (I’m not an animal)
Would you recomendación this port for some one who hasnt played the original games? I want to play these games so badly, but i don't have a ps2 or a decent pc
@@josefu1730 We are on the same boat then. I played SH1 on my ps3, but I have no other way to play 2 and 3 than to buy the HD collection.
@@iwantasandwich9606 i've played the hd collection (360 version on x1) and i truly enjoyed it, i didn't feel like i was losing something. But in sh3 the effects are shit. So, buy it on a sale, i did that (5 bucks)
@@josefu1730 Thanks for answering. I really want to play these games. And since i haven't played the originals I got nothing to compare them to. So as long as both games don't crash it will be fine. Just one thing. Do u remember what kind of sale it was?? I'm on xbox too so I would like to know if it was just randomly put on sale. Or with gold offers. Or a konami's titles sale. I think I'm asking too much so thank u anyways.
@@iwantasandwich9606 it was a random sale
I'm sorry, I despise Troy Bakers acting. Not the man himself, but he always plays the same characters, and as the remaster shows, he gets too breathy and theatrical.
I understand that. He does tend to do the same voice in every game.
Watch Retro Replay, he can do sooo many voices, accents and impersonations.
He does a pretty good joker voice
Agree, his voices suck
He played Snowe from FFXIII and Valvetorez from Disgaea 4 really well.
I did want to get the HD collection back in the day, but I heard nothing but negative things about it, like regarding the visuals, and the sound quality, so I always avoided it, and stuck with the ps2 versions. And holy shit, I did not know about the new voice actors. That's actually kind of insane. I mean Troy Baker was James? Madness, lol.
I'm so glad i own a physical copy of SH3. thank god I never had to initially experience these masterpieces through the HD collection.
People just getting into the series have to fight an uphill fight. That's for damn sure.
To be totally honest I actually didn't mind the HD remasters shortcomings that much. Even though Hijinx did at an absolutely terrible job at porting the games as you stated in your video, I still find this to be the optimal way of playing these games today... for me at least. The HD visuals simply just look better when playing on modern televisions, especially if you own an OLED since it rivals the contrast ratios of the CRT's we used back in the day.
Don't get me wrong I do definitely prefer the originals, but at a practical level, it just makes more sense than dusting off my old ps2 and CRT or playing them on a monitor where the poor contrast level ruin every dark part of the game. (this is of course just personal preference)
Anyway, great video as always! currently marathoning your stuff during this shitty quarantine
What about the PC version? That one is in HD and has the fog fixed
This kinda sums up my feelings too. The Enhanced Edition is a really good option too, but the collection still has the benefit of allowing different voice casts and honestly does look pretty nice visually. The fog not being great is a shame, but honestly? You don't spend enough time outdoors enough for me to consider it awful
@@ori.g4mionly if you have a computer with enough graphic power and enough memory to get the save files done, keeping in mind the rest of space is occupied by other apps and personal work files
Man, the 6th gen (Dreamcast, PS2, GameCube, Xbox) REALLY nailed the survival horror genre in my opinion. Games like RE1 Remake, Eternal Darkness, Silent hill 2-4, The Suffering, Fatal Frame 2, Rule Of Rose and Haunting Ground, just to name a few.
The 7th gen was kind of where it started to fade into obscurity with some notable exceptions like Dead Space 1 and Amnesia.
P.S. Any plans on doing retrospectives on canceled horror projects like Silent Hills and Shadow of the Eternals? The latter is especially heartbreaking for me personally since it was essentially going to be a spiritual successor to Eternal Darkness.
I wouldn't say the voice acting debate is subjective. When A New Hope was being made, no one could take Darth Vader seriously until they had James Earl Jones do the voice. Silent Hill is no different. Guy Cihi and Heather Moris put more than their voices into their characters. They embody every aspect from their mannerisms to their grunts during combat. Every character across each game was built off the people Team Silent hired. The HD Collection feels like a worse version of George Lucas's Special Editions where he got the most famous actors from the 90s to dub over the original cast. It wouldn't fir then, and it'll never fit with Silent Hill. Watching the prison scene in the HD Collection is absolute torture at how much they butcher James and Maria.
Bbbbbbbut tomm hullett schmuck did nothing wrong!!
Yeah Guy Cihi IS James just like Heather Morris IS Heather
Guy Cihi IS James Sunderland - literally! Lol. Seriously, why they re-did the voices is special Olympic-tier retarded... completely divisive decision from Konami
"The Gang F**** Up The Gameplay" popped up as soon as the always sunny intro rolled up on my tv and I'm watching this video on my phone, it was legendary.
This remaster was my first experience with the series. Since then I’ve gotten my hands on a copy of the original ps2 sh2, and my god at the difference...
Ranting Jared is a strong Jared.
The strongest!
Would of been nice to see the 360 version compared as well since it’s backwards compatible, especially on Xbox One X. Everyone talks about the PS3 version but the 360 version is rarely covered.
My 360 died on me recently, or I definitely would have.
It does?
I want to get an X...
To play older games lmao.
Don't care about any of Microsoft's exclusives.
Genome Soldat X is great for backwards compatibility. You might want to wait until the next Xbox comes out though, since Microsoft is apparently carrying over the progress made next gen.
Try it on PSnow- I finished silent hill 2 no problem
I can't blame Mary McGlynn since in this day and age, it's sadly expected for all employees to also dabble in PR for the company they work for or else be fired. It's unfair and shouldn't be legal for a company to demand it, but right now it is. Also I don't understand the difficulty of upscaling ps1 games to HD. I own several games on the ps1 and Dreamcast so there is a a graphical improvement. Couldn't Konami use that Bleem program to make SH1 look much better? I don't see why not.
Because hijinx was already in over their heads up converting the ps2 games. Who knows how bad it would have came out, if they ruined the first game too. Ha!
SH2 on the HD collection is fine, never froze or glitched on me. Obviously weird little sound & texture oddities, but honestly it was really fun finding all the flaws, it made my experience actually enjoyable.
Now SH3 on HD is bad unfortunately
At first I didnt mind the HD Collection because it was my first Silent Hill experience. Now looking back on it you do make a lot of good points in the video. The HD Collection is good but not as good as the original games.
Hey man, first of all I liked the video because I found it really interesting, and everything that is Silent Hill related is a must watch for me. Good job.
That said, everybody should just stop saying that this was Tom Hulett's fault. He partecipated in making some good Silent Hill games, like Silent Hill Origins and Silent Hill: Shattered Memories. If you listen to some podcasts where he was interviewed, you can actually tell that he is a big fanboy of this franchise and he is sorry for how this collection came out.
In his words, it was the perfect storm around the project:
1) Konami didn't have the source code of SH1 and SH4 that he wanted to include in the collection. They simply lost it. And your argument about using the PC version of the games is not that simple, because the PS3 was really hard to program. They spent the majority of the time working on that version of the game because it was harder, and here's why the patch is available only on the PS3.
2) The code that Konami gave of SH2 and SH3 wasn't complete, it was an "almost-finished" build of the game. It had missing textures, missing models, and missing text. On top of that, sound glitches that would cause the crash of the game. They had to rework on everything only to make it playable.
3) The team asked Konami for more time and money, but Konami was unrelenting. The release window was already set for March 2012, and they didn't give more resources just because it was a "remaster" and not a "remake". Hulett was shocked in hearing this, and even after explaining everything, Konami never moved a finger.
4) After all these problems, came Guy Cihi expecting more money for the HD release. According to Hulett and other voice actors in the industry, when you dub a game you only receive money for that game only, unless you own the rights of your performance. According to Cihi, he was payed but he never expected a re-release with his voice. But if the contract stated that everything about the game was Konami's property, he didn't have a case at all. So Hulett, while every problem discussed above was going on, he needed to spend even more money that could've been spent on making the game better in order to pay other voice actors to re-dub the game. Oh, and the voice actors didn't have a lead or someone that could explain what was going on in the scenes, they only had the cutscenes and a microphone for the redubbing.
5) The team that worked on the game was too young and incompetent for this project, and they lost track many times.
In the end, this happened. And if you're wondering why for example the Legacy Collection of Metal Gear Solid is in perfect shape is simple: Kojima kept the source code of every single game included in that collection, and they gave the job to BluePoint, an excellent studio.
Worst konami game ever...
Konami: hold my pachinko machine
Hahaha spot on
I'd really like your review of American McGee's Alice. Super oldschool and a CLASSIC in my eyes.
Every time I hear the new Heather, I cringe and wanna cry.
Though I love her as the Major. She trashed this role in this game ....
I've been debating on this collection. Then I waited with baited breath for your review of it.
Thank you.
I rather be the 4 legged mannequin in the pyramid head scene than waste a red cent on this HD dumpster fire
I always find your videos to be so smooth to watch. I've never played the HD collection but i've had seen a good part of what was wrong, but there's some pretty new things I've learned thanks to you. Keep making great videos mate!
The HD collection was how I first played Silent Hill 2 & 3 unfortunately.
Well at least it did its job and got you into the series....... Or did it? Please don't tell me it scared you off! You show me where it hurt you and I'll make it pay!!!!
@@AvalancheReviews Oh, I enjoyed the games. I just wished it had been on ps2 instead of Xbox 360. Oh well. Nothing that roms and emulators can't take care of.
Your stuff is always great. An HD collection is such a great idea, its so sad this is the result. Thank you for your work and research, this was very informative.
It seems like you’re getting a lot of your info from Twin Perfect, and they are not accurate.
Hijinx had barely any time on this port, and they had unfinished code to work with with little experience.
Konami wanted a quick buck, Tomm Hulett didn’t have that much of a hands on presence on this, so blaming him is unfair.
Konami expected this to be done in 6 months, it took Hijinx over a year to get it to the state it was but they needed more time. Konami forced them to fix it as much as they could and get it out of the door.
Also, it was NOT Tomm Hulett’s idea to rewrite the script and add new voices.... it was Guy Cihi’s fault and they had to find a way around it.
You should read the interview with an old hijinx employee who actually explains what happened.
Tomm Hulett DOES NOT deserve all of the hate he’s getting! He actually did a lot to stop the series going to shit.
Glad someone said it.
As someone who never played the originals and only tried the hd remasters, i really enjoyed it.
thats like eating the store pizza as opposed to the real thing. You should hold yourself to a higher standard.
@@bulletsunderpressure I didn't have the means to get a PS2, og Xbox, or a PC. I worked with what I had at the time.
Man I don’t own a PC or PS2… the HD collection is literally all I have. And I don’t care about the flaws it has. I know it’s shitty what they did with them. But at the end of the day I am still playing silent hill. I still got to appreciate the beauty that is those games either way. Nothing changed.
They have trophies too :)
I agree with you man
A bird that spent its entire life in a cage does not miss the freedom of the outside world.
@@18ps3anos Well put. If you only know crap, you appreciate crap.
Don’t support Disney +!
Censoring old stuff, putting cringe trigger warnings on old stuff, and how Disney is handling great Fox movies?
No thanks. Would like to watch Gargoyles though.
The Mouse Empire really will end many good things, pop culture related if they continues this path, rewriting history and stuff
👆🏻 this
@@Gruntvc idrc about alla that. It’s creating a monopoly on the creative industry which is was more severe
Great video! I just finished SH 2 on this collection and without not playing the original, saw many glitches and issues. However, the PS2 games are about $150-$200 each, so this is all I’ve got for now. Thanks for all the great content!
Keep on moving man, don't give up! I enjoy your content a lot, you do a great work, always well thought out, well researched and well presented. It comes off as a labor of love, with passion, with dedication, with competence. I'm rooting for your success. Cheers from a far away fan.
I recommend you listen to "Who ruined Silent Hill?" by "TheGreatDebate" so you can learn a little bit more about the HD remake development, I used to blame it all on Tom Hulett but it seems it was more Konami's fault. Sure, Tom still made some serious mistakes, but Komani is mostly at fault for this monstruosity.
Yeah that whole "everyone who made this game should not have a job in the industry again" was a bit too much for me knowing about that Konami shit
I was about to make this comment. I hope he sees it. I feel so bad for Tom being scapegoated STILL.
Agreed
That video is apologist garbage that tries to paint Hullet as a victim of bad circunstances. TOmm is literally the guy who spent his days talking about how bad the original voice actors for SH2 were, and then proceeded to cast the entirety of Persona 3 and 4's casts in the HD collection because he was a fan of those games.
I also saw that video. I'm glad to scroll down and stumbled upon yours
I've revisited silent hill 3 from the HD collection yesterday. Game crashed at the subway station...
I wanna say something real quick. It’s totally okay to play this game if you can’t afford/find/play an original copy on the PS2 or PC. The HD collection has a lot of hiccups but if you haven’t played silent hill 2 it’s still worth it. I only had my hands on this collection for the longest time and even though it’s got loads of fuckups, I’m still glad I was able to play the games. And the HD collection is so old now that it’s not like you can give Konami money by buying a new one. So in conclusion, Silent Hill is great. Play it however you can. Just be aware that this version is far from the best
i think if you want to play this game your best bet would be emulation
it will have a better result depending on your setup
Oh god I never knew heathers voice was so bad in the hd collection.
And to think that when I was a newbie to the series, I wanted to start with this collection🙏🙄
Federico Abatecola i did...
The FTC can't enforce that fine. One court case is all it will take to end the threat of one.
My first experience with the Silent Hills games was with this HD collection and it's still one of my favorite series. But I'm not sure why, my version has the original voice acting and didn't have any bugs (altho I did notice the really bad fog)
I wish we have an Actual Silent Hill HD Collection remaster by Konami instead of this ome
Your issue with the voice acting isn't a fan boy one. My first SH game was SH2 on the HD collection and I started with the new VAs (esp bc I love Troy Baker). And it instantly felt off and unfitting.
Everyone sounded way too melodramatic and out of sync. I played for like an hour before giving up. Played the original PS2 a few years later and thought the original voices fit perfectly.
Now the game is in my top 5 of all time. Still haven't played SH3 yet though
Still funny how I remember one day I was on the ps now store and I saw the Silent Hill “HD COLLECTION “ and saw that I could download it for free, and I decided why not I love the aesthetic of the foggy town, heard many good things of the games , and I loved playing Pyramid head on Dead by Daylight. I figured why not and decided to play it on my PS4 and wow, what an introduction. Menu music is great and presentation really shows me , a person who has no experience with this franchise , what is to be expected but then I start with SH2, “new voices, that’s weird” oh boy. Long story short I didn’t finish SH2 and haven’t even started SH3 thanks to this video, but it breaks my heart because my introduction with this series is with its bastard child. Hopefully one day I will be able to experience the “team silent trilogy” they way they intended it , maybe one day I’ll find it in the fog.
“This was more of a remaster than an HD collection”
??
Love the video! I'm really looking forward to your thoughts on silent hill 4
Like aways, loved your video Jared!
But I think you should take a look at the excellent videos "who ruined silent Hill?", Which give a really interesting perspective at what happened behind the scenes.
It appears it has way less to do with Tomm Hulett than we think
If they didn't touch the voice acting, or if it didn't have these glitches and bugs with the gameplay, it would have been fine. But for me, the change of voice acting is definitely the worst thing here
10:00 60 field per second? Don't you mean 60 frames?
I had to look that up, but no he doesn't.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field_(video)
And now we're back at square one with MGS HD collection
I now wish I ordered the ps2 originals instead of ordering these two timeless games for my Xbox 360 from eBay...
Damn....
Get them before goofballs increase the price due to recent videos blowing silent hill 2/3 up, they're like 30+ dollars right now on Amazon
Literally the only saving grace of this collection is the fact that this is the only versions of these two games that have Achievements and Trophies. Platinuming these games is a nightmare from that I have been told.
13:52 😒 no way. There's NO way a human being can make it to adulthood and NOT recognize comic sans as the 'bake sale' slash 'pun-o-the-day' neighbourhood bbq-bait that it is.
Jared I'm telling you this would be a perfect Gordon Ramsay / John Taffer moment - seriously though, like a man once remarked
"...it'd be worth it, just to catch him doing it..."
The only way out for the guilty party(s) would be either honesty (🤔not really a big seller)or to scream "placeholder! placeholder!" from underneath some coats.
Actually tomm hullett got a lot of undeserved hate for this, his decisions were mostly overturned by the higher ups
This game was my first time with the series.... I agree that the game and grafics suffered a huge amount in this port I'm kinda nostalgic for the voice acting expecially Troy Baker as James
......w-what? :/
@@Arkonu Troy Baker is fucking trash
@557deadpool if he's trash tell that to Final Fantasy 13, Death Stranding and more importantly Last Of Us and Part 2 of Last of Us then ;).
I've always thought most of the critiques of the HD Collection were just nitpicks that don't detract from the actual experience. When I played them, I didn’t get a single bug or glitch and the games looked phenomenonal throughout....
Ngl even now, having played through both all the way, the only things that really bother me are the lack of 1 and 4, and the attempt to redo the voice acting. Plus they're playable on Xbox Series X, which is incredible...
Can't get over how bad the voice acting is, look how they massacred my girl Heather
You and me both. It's the worst butchering I've ever heard.
Heather’s voice acting made me cringe, just from those few clips.
How do you feel about the last of us? I remember in your SH3 video you said something along the lines of it being the pinnacle of game development of which we'll never see again. Curious if you hold last of us in as high regard as most do. Thanks for the great content!
That ecstatic laugh on the ladder image gives the the creeps every time I play this game. I even had a nightmare about it.
So you didn't try Xbox 360 game running on Xbox one X ? The game had been patched for enhencements and more
That is something the guys over at Gigaboots would do. Dropping $400 on a console just for the sake of possibly minor improvements is not something Jared is gonna do. But if you've got proof that the XB1X enhancements somehow magically fix a botched port, by all means please provide it in a reply so we can all see it.
@@DaybreakerRein well in fact I see the backward compatibility as a great bonus for thé Xbox one X owners, you don't buy this console to play Xbox 360 games, but playing theses games on that console IS just the better way. To me he had to try this version to make the retrospective more complete, just as he did by the past videos trying every version existing for the same game. You can find videos on TH-cam comparing Xbox one X and Xbox 360 performances of the game, and travel some digital foundry videos (like ninja gaiden 2) for more details
The backwards compatible version is not X enhanced and is the same 360 version it's always been which never got a patch. I own it, I would know. It probably runs slightly better with the extra processing power but that's it.
I understand the fury of vo talent swapped out :
Rather than ask Craig Fairbrass to return, MW saw fit to cast poor Ghost somewhere between 'forced Bale-Batman' and 'A real bastard' 😒
Sasuke was in Silent Hill HD?
What's always been funny in my opinion about the SH2 comic sans sign is how Team Silent did the same thing in Silent Hill 4; the Wish/Hope House sign in Forest World is written in comic sans. Odd detail most look over.
We need a modern remaster of silent hill 1, it deserves it
It does deserve it, but I'm scared they'd ruin it.
My stomach hurt hearing the new voices.... ugh, make them stop!!!, aaaaaaaa!!!
I own the origina ps1l SH and ps2 SH2 on PS3- but unfortunately I couldn't ever find a decent copy of SH3 anywhere, at least for a reasonable price. That is until I received this on my 26th birthday from my Father, who's a Master Sergeant in the Military whom I only get to see about four times a year (if I'm lucky).
I never knew the original SH3, which I'm both thankful for and deeply regret... but I also love my Father, and after the first few months of playing SH3 and facing multitude of flaws in SH2, I'd gotten over it fairly quickly. After all, these are *only* the games we play, and my dad had to leave the next morning.
Not that I'd ever undermine your passion/profession! Oh, no! I'm only giving you my personal experiences lol
-Aimiée
While, yes, playing the originals, or even the PC ports would be better. You have to at least consider that not everyone has a PS2 lying around, or a PC capable of either emulating PS2 games, or playing the PC ports. My only PC is a tablet, a Surface Pro 3. It can't do games for shit, it's only real use for me is for drawing. My ONLY means to play SH2 and 3, is through this collection. I CAN technically emulate the originals on my Xbox with Retroarch, but they don't exactly run well. So it's not even really an option.
I get the complaints, and I get the issues. I understand this collection isn't all that great compared to the originals. But, at the same time, they're still passable for someone that hasn't played the originals before and has no way to play the better versions. Again, I KNOW the collection is far from perfect, and it's even lazy and worse in a lot of ways. But at the end of the day, it's still SH2 and 3. They're still good games, even on the collection.
I think that's really the one thing that everyone fails to consider when talking about this collection. People that can't play the better versions, and have never played the originals. For someone like that, like me, we're probably not gonna notice a ton of the issues. We might see the obvious stuff like the fog line, or the less dense fog letting you see the edge of things, but I've seen more bugs in a Bethesda game, and I can still enjoy that.
Exactly. I've played the originals on PS2, i've played the remasters. The remasters are perfectly passable and a decent alternative especially considering you can't get the PC port cheaply anywhere anymore (seriously SH2 and 3 pc is going for about between 90 to 120 bucks, GOG only has SH4 and steam ain't carrying any of it except homecoming). Don't even get me started on PS2 versions (I really hate retro "investors").
@@gunsniper0018 Yeah, game collecting sucks nowadays. It's why I rely on emulation more than anything. The way the prices have shot up, I don't feel bad about downloading any game I want and emulating it. I'm not paying $100-200 per game, just because 'investors' and shit wanna hike the prices up, to try and make a quick buck. Emulation is accurate enough that I can still enjoy the games.
And even if I realllllly want to use the original consoles, I'd get flash carts and softmods.
Blaming Tom Hulett is an instant self report. You might as well just say “I don’t know what I’m talking about, I just wanna whine.” Really disappointed that instead of admitting he was wrong, Avalanche said “technically you can’t prove I’m wrong”. Amateur.
I am new to your channel Avalanche Reviews, I am loving your Silent Hill reviews though. I just have one question maybe you can help me with. You said playing this collection on PS3 was a bad idea if you wanted the best experience possible in your opinion. Where can I find the PC Game? Would I have to buy a physical copy with a disk?
If people really want to experiance Sillent Hill 2 & 3 properly, then they should either A) Use emulators or B) Buy physical copies of the two games for the 6th Gen consoles, if you still own a PS2 or OG XBOX.
Not sure why you're attacking Tom. Have you not watched any of the other videos out there that look into this game's development? If you should be blaming anybody, you should be blaming the cheap-os at Konami, who have a knack for murdering franchises.
Like, this was a really fanboy-y review, which is disappointing. I usually really enjoy your stuff, not so much this time.
Cry us a river
I never understood why silent hill 1 could not get more ports. I am not talking a remake, just a new port.
Games for PSX were cheaper to make and required less people to be in the dev team.
The only way to play silent hill 1 is on the PSX or using an emulator.
The issue with silent hill emulation is its stretched and it can only run in 30fps, if not less.
It's pretty clear you know jack about game development, which is a shame. The HDC is a mess, sure, but blaming it on lazyness is, ironically, not only ignorant, but also lazy.
I understand that they were probably contractually obligated to defend the project, but the HD collection is the thing made me lose all respect I had for Troy Baker and Mary Elizabeth Mcglynn and actively not like them as people. Mary E was so unnecessarily mean and snooty about about all of this.
A couple of days ago I found this on Xbox for 4.99€ and I bought it just for nostalgia sake.
I can say that I enjoy it a lot, with the original voices.
Thank you for this video.
My heart breaks for anyone who's entry to the series was any game other than 1, 2, or 3 (or perhaps 4). The best that can be said for the HD collection is that at least it's not Homecoming or Downpour.
More high quality content
SH HD : Yes yes yeeeessss im the Worst konami ....ever ;)
Metal gear survive: Hold my beer I might really dehydrated tho
I so wanna support independent reviewers and retrospective videos like these but for some odd reason my bank doesnt allow patreon transactions to go through.Much love and support for your work man.
Ya'll can just skip the part where he says it becomes subjective. It is a retelling of some drama that happened on the internet and I'm dumber for having goggled it.
It still makes no sense that they don’t get Blue Point games to help out considering their amazing efforts with Metal Gear Solid HD collection and God of War. Especially when this remaster came out around the same time as the MGS HD collection did...
Did the patch fix some of these problems? I own the disc, but honestly, I don't want to play it, I bought it just for collecting.
Yes most of it
The story goes Konami could only locate pre-final source code data and that's what they had to work with. The missing effects are telling, as well as the Silent Hill Ranch placeholder text nobody bothered to check. Even worse, Konami threw a release window on them that they wouldn't budge on more than once. Konami obviously didn't want to pay anybody to re-engineer the retail game like Bluepoint has done with multiple titles. It was publisher greed completely and totally. For shame, for shame.
I've played the originals on PS2 multiple times and I didn't have too many issues with the ports. I'm a Silent Hill fanatic so maybe I was just happy to be able to earn trophies while experiencing the best two games in the franchise one more time. I have to admit the cutscenes were trash and you have valid points regarding the voice acting . The decision to exclude SH1, SH4, and Origins was disappointing.
I'm glad you mentioned about not using the patch because I wanted to know what was wrong and what was fixed. Glad I didn't waste more time watching...
The PC has really become the go to platform for a fully optimal SH2 experience. While the original PC ports had many flaws (though none as glaring as the HD remaster) the Enhanced Edition fan made mod really hits the nail and puts the HD Collection version to shame. The Enhanced Edition is precisely what the HD Remaster should have been.
Regarding SH3 the PC version was a good port, with a few tweaks it works perfectly on a Windows 10 modern system. It has just one minor flaw: no true soft shadows. They're razor sharp, with a high enough resolution you can get rid of the jaggy edges but the'll keep their solid feel. They managed to fix that for the SH2 Enhanced Edition, I hope someone will do the same for SH3.
I didn't buy the Silent Hill games when I were a little kid as I weren't allowed to play stuff like this. So.. I have bought 2,3 and 4 in a physical format on the ps2 and it weren't cheap but hell, it sure was worth it
I still treasure mine
I even have a silent hill 1 demo disc with the infamous cut out little grey child ghosts with knives.
When you mentioned the fog I remember that the reason fog was like in this in old games was because it was easier to render this than a more detail image. They didnt render beyound thst wall(fog).But for the HD version they could of made it better or taken it out. It really just gave the system more time to load. Same thing was used with hallways. That's why in the earlier games of resident evil it had a lot of hallways and doors.
Alot of stuff u pointed out is things I would never pay attention to . Like the lines where the fog is forming etc.
Listening to this after playing 2 HD. I heard some music looping issues and saw some weird fog stuff between cutscenes- but I didn’t encounter any actual problems other than how slow the transition from menus/map to gameplay. You can shoot, move, and be attacked while the transition takes place. It’s pretty slow.
@@residentevilclone oh ok. Stuff I most likely wounds pay much attention to. Plus its. Old game
I know its easy to blame Hijinx for the bad port but its mostly Konamis fault for putting such a heavy time constraint on them and giving them incomplete builds of the games. This is a VERY daunting task for anyone and with no team silent around to even refer to they were fucked from the start.
hey Avalanche whats the Big Booba anime game you plugged at the end of the vid??
How many times have I watched this one video..?
Fuck if I know, but Imma watch it again right now. 🤷♀️
I want to play them but my PS2 has already died and the og SH1 on the PS1 is so expensive on Ebay...I also don't have my own PC so emulating is out of the question :( Should I buy this HD collection even though they are a mess?