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I think his run was ruined by the terrible writing of the other books he wasn’t in control of. I really think his F4 run will be what’s considered his best work, until something in the future overtakes these two beloved runs. I really wish he’d go independent, and work a book with his own universe of characters. Though, he may just be better at writing new ideas for pre-existing characters. I still remember more hate for the Krakoa X-men, even from those who loved what Hickman was doing overall to change Charles’s optimism for humanity and mutants, getting past racism, as it was stale even in the 90’s. The X-Men Animated series, then brought a new generation of fans to the books, so it took awhile before they fully changed the idealism of Xavier, snd his students. I always wished they’d have let all of the OG characters get to there 30’s, and realize that Charles was a 60’s idealist, who was never going to get anywhere without he and Magneto, coming to a compromise and working together again. It’s pretty difficult when Magneto was written as a terrorist, for decades. Yet, in the world they were written, I’ve always said Magneto Was Right.
Another certified banger my man, I was hotly anticipating this since the RoX video. Props to you for giving a very measured and level overview of the event that has so much "meta reading" behind it. I liked Inferno, a lot, but I think I was also too plugged into the news around Hickman's departure to take it at its value. I want to really believe the X office can pull off whatever grand plan he had, but I wanted him to write it himself, some of the office isn't on his level imo. It'll very interesting to see how DoX shakes out once we have some of it under our belts, and how we look back on Hickman's time in retrospect. I'm trying to stop speculating about why he left (cough cough substack) but I'm trying to be present in the line, it's wild to be involved in something like this in a linear fashion
Inferno was a really good story and tons of fun but I am really sad that this is truly the end of Hickman X-Men run and we never ever got a chance to see Hickman vison reached a conclusive ending but that's just my opinion.
Ah two days in a row with my favorite comic video essayists making Hickman videos. I kind of find it amazing how Hickman and his work on X-Men has kind of reflected in his overall plan for the title. Created a huge status quo change and when he saw that his idea has grown without him he stepped back and let what he started flourish. The man’s goal was to make the Mutants important to the Marvel universe again and he accomplished that. Great video Doug
While the ending monologue of Inferno sounds kind of bleak and even bitter, I think the overall message of the book is very hopeful. This is exemplified in the character of Cypher. He doesn't just blindly trust his leaders, even the well-intentioned ones, and he doesn't become consumed by hatred or sorrow. And he comes out of Inferno better than anyone. If the next generation can learn to live in harmony with nature, technology, and those different from us, the way Cypher does with his found family of Krakoa, Warlock, and Bei, then there is hope for the future.
I really like Inferno but I wouldn't call it a conclusion to Hickman's X-Men. I am pretty sure this is all still the first part of the intended story. I just hope we get to see the second and final parts in some form and that they are good. Great Video!
Yeah, there's definitely some ambiguity around that...I know Hickman's headed back to creator-owned stuff for the moment but there's always the possibility that Marvel will have him come back to close out the Krakoan era in a few years.
@@ForEveryKindofGeek I really do believe that’s inevitable. I think he needed to leave the line so this era can outgrow him and so that the other creators on the line can move out of his shadow. I think he’ll be back but it could be over 5 years away. But if he comes back, he won’t come back as head of x, but as just another writer in a team of equals
Thanks man! I've absolutely loved covering Hickman's run on X-Men. Definitely wanna take a breather for a little but I'd love to keep going, maybe even wade into Destiny of X in the future...
Great video. I am still not sure how to feel about the Moira twist, but that's largely caused by where X Deaths of Wolverine took it, which I really dislike. I do love Immortal X-Men though.
I'm kinda of the same mind on that twist. Definitely a bitter pill to swallow but I'd love to see what a creator like Gillen can do to build on it (and it seems like he might be).
I've thought about doing smaller breakdowns of the tie-ins for these, although the process can take so long I kinda just end up folding them into the broader "era-style" videos. Just think it's cleaner that way.
I have sometimes thought of making videos about Hickman because there is less content about him than it should. Its great to finally know that Im not alone. Great work brother.
True. I've really come around to loving Inferno for what it is too, Hickman makes a number of points in interviews that the big experiment in his time on X-Men was building the X-Office back up, so while I'll always want to see what he could've come up with I'm all in to see where the other creators will take the story.
@@ForEveryKindofGeek I think my fondness for Inferno will grow over time as when I 1st read it I just couldn't get over my disappointment that this was it. Regardless we got some awesome stories out of the Hickman Era and also Duggan is KILLING it on the main X-men book currently.
@@ForEveryKindofGeek also I just want to let you know man your videos are high quality. Your content is on par with Matt Draper or Owen Likes Comics and I can't wait to see your channel blow up because you deserve it
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Hickman's tenure on X-Men will go down as a perfect example of great comics storytelling and excellent social commentary
I think his run was ruined by the terrible writing of the other books he wasn’t in control of.
I really think his F4 run will be what’s considered his best work, until something in the future overtakes these two beloved runs.
I really wish he’d go independent, and work a book with his own universe of characters. Though, he may just be better at writing new ideas for pre-existing characters.
I still remember more hate for the Krakoa X-men, even from those who loved what Hickman was doing overall to change Charles’s optimism for humanity and mutants, getting past racism, as it was stale even in the 90’s.
The X-Men Animated series, then brought a new generation of fans to the books, so it took awhile before they fully changed the idealism of Xavier, snd his students. I always wished they’d have let all of the OG characters get to there 30’s, and realize that Charles was a 60’s idealist, who was never going to get anywhere without he and Magneto, coming to a compromise and working together again. It’s pretty difficult when Magneto was written as a terrorist, for decades.
Yet, in the world they were written, I’ve always said Magneto Was Right.
This was an absolutely fantastic video, and a fitting end to your series on Hickman's X-Men. Bravo!
Thanks so much, Owen!
I show your videos to all my friends as the definitive Krakoan era overviews. So glad to have this Hickman capstone. Thank you
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Well done and executed
Another certified banger my man, I was hotly anticipating this since the RoX video. Props to you for giving a very measured and level overview of the event that has so much "meta reading" behind it. I liked Inferno, a lot, but I think I was also too plugged into the news around Hickman's departure to take it at its value. I want to really believe the X office can pull off whatever grand plan he had, but I wanted him to write it himself, some of the office isn't on his level imo. It'll very interesting to see how DoX shakes out once we have some of it under our belts, and how we look back on Hickman's time in retrospect. I'm trying to stop speculating about why he left (cough cough substack) but I'm trying to be present in the line, it's wild to be involved in something like this in a linear fashion
Inferno was a really good story and tons of fun but I am really sad that this is truly the end of Hickman X-Men run and we never ever got a chance to see Hickman vison reached a conclusive ending but that's just my opinion.
Ah two days in a row with my favorite comic video essayists making Hickman videos.
I kind of find it amazing how Hickman and his work on X-Men has kind of reflected in his overall plan for the title. Created a huge status quo change and when he saw that his idea has grown without him he stepped back and let what he started flourish. The man’s goal was to make the Mutants important to the Marvel universe again and he accomplished that. Great video Doug
While the ending monologue of Inferno sounds kind of bleak and even bitter, I think the overall message of the book is very hopeful. This is exemplified in the character of Cypher. He doesn't just blindly trust his leaders, even the well-intentioned ones, and he doesn't become consumed by hatred or sorrow. And he comes out of Inferno better than anyone. If the next generation can learn to live in harmony with nature, technology, and those different from us, the way Cypher does with his found family of Krakoa, Warlock, and Bei, then there is hope for the future.
I really like Inferno but I wouldn't call it a conclusion to Hickman's X-Men. I am pretty sure this is all still the first part of the intended story. I just hope we get to see the second and final parts in some form and that they are good. Great Video!
Yeah, there's definitely some ambiguity around that...I know Hickman's headed back to creator-owned stuff for the moment but there's always the possibility that Marvel will have him come back to close out the Krakoan era in a few years.
@@ForEveryKindofGeek I really do believe that’s inevitable. I think he needed to leave the line so this era can outgrow him and so that the other creators on the line can move out of his shadow. I think he’ll be back but it could be over 5 years away. But if he comes back, he won’t come back as head of x, but as just another writer in a team of equals
Lore of INFERNO | The Great Lie Behind The Krakoan Empire momentum 100
Absolutely smashed this, brother! Such an incredible way to cap off this trilogy of videos. Each one got better and better
Thanks man! I've absolutely loved covering Hickman's run on X-Men. Definitely wanna take a breather for a little but I'd love to keep going, maybe even wade into Destiny of X in the future...
@@ForEveryKindofGeek Yes! Destiny of X or immortal x men would be really cool
Great vídeo. More x men please
Mr Hickman... Has done so much for us, and for that we thank him... His legacy will never be Forgotten?!
This is why I love Hickman's work, good video, good essay, incredible content
Thanks so much, always great to hear from fellow Hickman fans!
Great video. I am still not sure how to feel about the Moira twist, but that's largely caused by where X Deaths of Wolverine took it, which I really dislike. I do love Immortal X-Men though.
I'm kinda of the same mind on that twist. Definitely a bitter pill to swallow but I'd love to see what a creator like Gillen can do to build on it (and it seems like he might be).
Excellent review you should cover the trial and magneto and the post Hickman X-Men era books
I've thought about doing smaller breakdowns of the tie-ins for these, although the process can take so long I kinda just end up folding them into the broader "era-style" videos. Just think it's cleaner that way.
You killed this brother. Really loving the visuals here
Thanks so much, Troy!
I have sometimes thought of making videos about Hickman because there is less content about him than it should. Its great to finally know that Im not alone. Great work brother.
I really grew to hate Mystique and Destiny near the end there.
I wish we could actually see Hickmans full vision and ending for his Xmen run but I'll always be happy we at least got HoX/PoX
True. I've really come around to loving Inferno for what it is too, Hickman makes a number of points in interviews that the big experiment in his time on X-Men was building the X-Office back up, so while I'll always want to see what he could've come up with I'm all in to see where the other creators will take the story.
@@ForEveryKindofGeek I think my fondness for Inferno will grow over time as when I 1st read it I just couldn't get over my disappointment that this was it.
Regardless we got some awesome stories out of the Hickman Era and also Duggan is KILLING it on the main X-men book currently.
@@ForEveryKindofGeek also I just want to let you know man your videos are high quality. Your content is on par with Matt Draper or Owen Likes Comics and I can't wait to see your channel blow up because you deserve it
not a jimmy olsen video 0/10
I know I know but I gotta make something to fill the gaps between Jimmy videos
@@ForEveryKindofGeek so it’s just a filler video got it
@@TheMrAman yeah, y'know. deadlines and all that.
@@ForEveryKindofGeek yeah you need to please the uninitiated