Profoundly well spoken. Professor I have seen almost all of your lectures and never get enough. I really wish I had the chance to have attended one of your classes.
4:02 A Complex Account of Justice Justice = Fairness From Birth *Replacing Utilitarianism* 5:12 Utilitarianism fell out of favor 7:27 Not a Silver Bullet Evil Delights in Evil The Numbers are Happy, but are they Good? *The Social Contract* Myth of Lawless War (instead of Lawless Peace) 8:12 The Social Contract 9:58 Fairness does not allow slavery People choose a Safety Net 13:55 Equal Liberty, Equal Access Stop Bad Inequalities 17:26 No Tyranny, No Malevolent Oppression 18:24 “How does it affect the least of us?” Universally-Applied Rules 19:34 I find him unconvincing 20:32 The worlds longest meditation on The Golden Rule 21:26 Who owns Man’s Capacity’s ? Society Individual Abolishing Deserving Gnostic *Q&A* 25:22 Different Vocabulary, Different Lenses 27:54 Utilitarians, Epicurean, Pleasure Is Only Desire 29:22 Kant: There are certain lines we do not cross Man is a rule-breaker Man has a heart 32:44 _Veil of Ignorance_ 36:08 Politics and Ethics 37:15 Do Opinions connect to reality? 38:47 Justifiable Inequality Competence differences Occupational differences Life-Goal differences 40:15 Rawls was a lapsed Christian 42:44 Liberalism is meaning a lot in the 2010s/2020s 44:56 Discovered Not Invented 57:06 Phronecis 57:51 Robert Nozick Who owns the fish? The person who caught it The Nation, The Society (Tangibly, the person) (Intangible, anyone who enabled the person to catch it)
This is one of my favorite lectures. Part of it is because Dr. Sugrue made reference to toolkits and judgment. We are not all equal, we never will be, we weren't intended to be. We need to use good judgment to determine the best course of action based upon the current circumstances. But, we all need to be equal in the eyes of the law and to have equal rights to fail or succeed based on our own initiative and judgment. If we were all equal, the world would be incredibly boring and there would be no one to do the grunt work and no one of vision to lead us forward. In fact, I would go so far as to say that if we were all equal, all but one of us would be redundant and useless. My problem with most philosophers traces back to Plato's idea of the philosopher king. That's the worst idea ever documented! You see, the brilliant philosopher has no idea at all of how to navigate life with average or below average intelligence. How to provide for a family, achieve happiness and career satisfaction and solid personal relationships with limited talents and intellect. Brilliant philosophers haven't got a clue on how to do that, yet they seem to want to create some kind of foolproof governmental/societal structure that will be ideal and impose it upon those people who they do not understand and for whom they often have contempt. Some of the most noble spirited people I've known have been very average to all outward appearances. I love learning about all of these philosophers through Dr. Sugrue's lectures, because I don't have time to wade through all of their writings and it helps me hone my critical thinking skills. Occasionally, I get a new idea worthy of contemplation. Learning about the ebbs and flows of history and philosophy helps me understand how we arrived at our current very contentious circumstances.
@@jalemairlihathe incremental step between slavery and non-slavery is feudalism. That’s why the Seminole Indians in Florida had black serfs (runaway slaves) who had to give them a portion of their food.
Plenty wonderful examples of "compare & contrast" and "graying areas" in Dr. Sugrue's discussion. I was thinking hard to follow thru the whole presentation, then those smiling faces at the end made me smile too.
the most immediate solution may be as simple as teaching philosophy in elementary school. Helps one finds one identity, helps society quantify and tally who latches on to what predominent philosophy. From there atleast a discourse can start. I believe at discourse most things can reach a resolution, including justice
Brilliant, superb idea. Teaching philosophy in elementary school would engender real critical thinking in our children about the "big questions" and provide an alternative view about what it means to be a human on a planet with limited and dwindling resources.
Recently discovered this great lectures. Thank you very much Dr. Surgue. Isn't all Rawls theory based on a consequensialist premise? Just like the utilitarianism he was trying to opose?
I’m not a moral individualist, but I can still acknowledge that humans aren’t categorical. They are incremental. You can’t allow a third party to decide people’s “collective entitlements”.
Great topic. Have done a lot of reading and thinking on it over the years myself. William James' "Varieties of Religious Experience" is probably the premier book on the topic but there are others. Have you read "When Prophecy Fails" by Leon Festinger et. al.? Not exactly the same topic but goes a long long way to exposing the religious mind in general and how easily, even the best of us, can be swayed by what are shown later to be obvious errors of though and belief.
There was mentioned made that the next webinar is for Moby Dick - when will this be posted on TH-cam? Thanks - loving hearing Michael's thoughts and views again.
This was so cathartic for me. I almost came to blows with my intro to philosophy teacher when he discussed Rawls and the different justice theories. I found the whole thing to be unreasonably, almost dangerously abstract and idealistic as a set of ethical principles, and told my teacher so. One of my friends told me later that he was surprised the teacher didn't throw something at me over it he was so irritated. I stand by it though. Rawls might be well-intentioned, but he about as much to do with the real world as an architect drafting plans to build a castle on a cloud or a botanist growing candy canes out of sand. Approaching ethics with that kind of starry-eyed optimism gets us nowhere
If Rawls is familiar with the Pareto principle, how does he still buy into the idea of the “tyranny of the majority”? Not covered in this vid, but it’s just something I realized.
@Markus Tanbeck I concur. the geist is what you are referring to when you describe the effects of oxy. I suppose one can eventually discover the proper dose to upregulate those levels
As a pseudo-intellectual who's always embraced portions of Christian moral codes, it's difficult not to instinctively agree with rationalistic arguments that recapitulate them. I think it's a prescient point that the book is unlikely to convince, but more so to reinforce existing beliefs. However, the functionality of criminal and distributive justice(as a means of preventing revolutions which might not be any better than the status quo) provide a strong impetus to take up such beliefs. How do we reconcile this political idealism with realism? Are situationalism and phrenesis really our only way out of this labyrinth?
@@i_perpetuated_a_white_savi344 And not only chocolate milk. And maybe he ate Plato instead of reading him. But lots of smoking to. It's like Lucille Ball's voice near the end.
The motivated contempt in your ongoing campaign to discredit Sugrue is specious. You clearly have a poor understanding of discourse, and a problem with emotional regulation. Get help before you hurt someone. Lacking close friends, perhaps you can pay someone to care. Best of luck.
The Man, The Myth, The Legend,.. Dr. Sugrue has returned in the flesh
and just like that, the word became flesh
He's not just the form of a philosopher he is philospherness itself
@James Combs ikr!!
@James Combs Lol.
So glad to see Michael Sugrue! Love his lectures
I didn't know Dr. Sugrue was alive. I'm glad I could still see him while he's around.
Profoundly well spoken. Professor I have seen almost all of your lectures and never get enough. I really wish I had the chance to have attended one of your classes.
Surgrue livestreaming! What a blessing. Share this with your friends and family!
4:02 A Complex Account of Justice
Justice = Fairness From Birth
*Replacing Utilitarianism*
5:12 Utilitarianism fell out of favor
7:27 Not a Silver Bullet
Evil Delights in Evil
The Numbers are Happy, but are they Good?
*The Social Contract*
Myth of Lawless War (instead of Lawless Peace)
8:12 The Social Contract
9:58 Fairness does not allow slavery
People choose a Safety Net
13:55 Equal Liberty, Equal Access
Stop Bad Inequalities 17:26 No Tyranny, No Malevolent Oppression 18:24 “How does it affect the least of us?”
Universally-Applied Rules
19:34 I find him unconvincing
20:32 The worlds longest meditation on The Golden Rule
21:26 Who owns Man’s Capacity’s ?
Society
Individual
Abolishing Deserving
Gnostic
*Q&A*
25:22 Different Vocabulary, Different Lenses
27:54 Utilitarians, Epicurean, Pleasure Is Only Desire
29:22 Kant: There are certain lines we do not cross
Man is a rule-breaker
Man has a heart
32:44 _Veil of Ignorance_
36:08 Politics and Ethics
37:15 Do Opinions connect to reality?
38:47 Justifiable Inequality
Competence differences
Occupational differences
Life-Goal differences
40:15 Rawls was a lapsed Christian
42:44 Liberalism is meaning a lot in the 2010s/2020s
44:56 Discovered Not Invented
57:06 Phronecis
57:51 Robert Nozick
Who owns the fish?
The person who caught it
The Nation, The Society
(Tangibly, the person)
(Intangible, anyone who enabled the person to catch it)
This is one of my favorite lectures. Part of it is because Dr. Sugrue made reference to toolkits and judgment. We are not all equal, we never will be, we weren't intended to be. We need to use good judgment to determine the best course of action based upon the current circumstances. But, we all need to be equal in the eyes of the law and to have equal rights to fail or succeed based on our own initiative and judgment.
If we were all equal, the world would be incredibly boring and there would be no one to do the grunt work and no one of vision to lead us forward. In fact, I would go so far as to say that if we were all equal, all but one of us would be redundant and useless.
My problem with most philosophers traces back to Plato's idea of the philosopher king. That's the worst idea ever documented! You see, the brilliant philosopher has no idea at all of how to navigate life with average or below average intelligence. How to provide for a family, achieve happiness and career satisfaction and solid personal relationships with limited talents and intellect. Brilliant philosophers haven't got a clue on how to do that, yet they seem to want to create some kind of foolproof governmental/societal structure that will be ideal and impose it upon those people who they do not understand and for whom they often have contempt. Some of the most noble spirited people I've known have been very average to all outward appearances.
I love learning about all of these philosophers through Dr. Sugrue's lectures, because I don't have time to wade through all of their writings and it helps me hone my critical thinking skills. Occasionally, I get a new idea worthy of contemplation. Learning about the ebbs and flows of history and philosophy helps me understand how we arrived at our current very contentious circumstances.
My problem with Rawls so far is his categorical way of thinking. Human needs are incremental, not categorical.
@@jalemairlihathe incremental step between slavery and non-slavery is feudalism. That’s why the Seminole Indians in Florida had black serfs (runaway slaves) who had to give them a portion of their food.
Plenty wonderful examples of "compare & contrast" and "graying areas" in Dr. Sugrue's discussion. I was thinking hard to follow thru the whole presentation, then those smiling faces at the end made me smile too.
Thankyou very much Michael Sugrue!
I worry for your health, dear philosopher. This is wisdom: let food be thy medicine and medicine thy food. Then fast. God bless you.
Hey Joe, haven't seen you since 33 AD. What you been up to lately?
@@daithiocinnsealach1982 Still fulfilling the Master's plan
He was diagnosed with cancer 11 years ago
Lots of great gobbets of useful information here and I especially liked that reference to Alexander Pope!
These are great! Please keep them coming.
Wow the legend is back!!!!! 💥💥
Dr Sugrue is a legend
the most immediate solution may be as simple as teaching philosophy in elementary school. Helps one finds one identity, helps society quantify and tally who latches on to what predominent philosophy. From there atleast a discourse can start. I believe at discourse most things can reach a resolution, including justice
Brilliant, superb idea. Teaching philosophy in elementary school would engender real critical thinking in our children about the "big questions" and provide an alternative view about what it means to be a human on a planet with limited and dwindling resources.
Brilliant discussion!
I read Rawls a while back. I'll do a rereading tonight
Great Lecture and Discussion. Thanks.
Recently discovered this great lectures. Thank you very much Dr. Surgue.
Isn't all Rawls theory based on a consequensialist premise? Just like the utilitarianism he was trying to opose?
I’m not a moral individualist, but I can still acknowledge that humans aren’t categorical. They are incremental. You can’t allow a third party to decide people’s “collective entitlements”.
Suggest you keep that website Bibliotheca listed above in the show notes
great to see him
One of the first book I read when I got into law school. How refreshing it is to relearn it again. Can you do Amartya Sen's Idea of Justice?
great lecture
Dr. Sugrue, any chance you give a lecture on Altered States of Consciousness as they relate to Religion?
Great topic. Have done a lot of reading and thinking on it over the years myself. William James' "Varieties of Religious Experience" is probably the premier book on the topic but there are others. Have you read "When Prophecy Fails" by Leon Festinger et. al.? Not exactly the same topic but goes a long long way to exposing the religious mind in general and how easily, even the best of us, can be swayed by what are shown later to be obvious errors of though and belief.
We need better production values of these recent recordings for posterity.
Then do something
@@johndough1264 from London?
@@josephasghar Agreed
Maybe we could send the good Dr. some camera equipment?
Thank you!
There was mentioned made that the next webinar is for Moby Dick - when will this be posted on TH-cam? Thanks - loving hearing Michael's thoughts and views again.
Seriously!? Wow!
What map is that in the background? I want one.
This was so cathartic for me. I almost came to blows with my intro to philosophy teacher when he discussed Rawls and the different justice theories. I found the whole thing to be unreasonably, almost dangerously abstract and idealistic as a set of ethical principles, and told my teacher so. One of my friends told me later that he was surprised the teacher didn't throw something at me over it he was so irritated.
I stand by it though. Rawls might be well-intentioned, but he about as much to do with the real world as an architect drafting plans to build a castle on a cloud or a botanist growing candy canes out of sand. Approaching ethics with that kind of starry-eyed optimism gets us nowhere
I love that carpentry metaphor
If Rawls is familiar with the Pareto principle, how does he still buy into the idea of the “tyranny of the majority”? Not covered in this vid, but it’s just something I realized.
When the old videos is all I had as reference I was ignorantly expecting him to look like he did 😅
Ty Sugrue
@Markus Tanbeck I concur. the geist is what you are referring to when you describe the effects of oxy. I suppose one can eventually discover the proper dose to upregulate those levels
How does this guy not get bored with all this twaddle
Guys, let's crowd fund a decent Camera equipment for Dr. Sugrue, what do you say?
Rawls: another dreamer. His writings: children's bedtime stories.
As a pseudo-intellectual who's always embraced portions of Christian moral codes, it's difficult not to instinctively agree with rationalistic arguments that recapitulate them. I think it's a prescient point that the book is unlikely to convince, but more so to reinforce existing beliefs. However, the functionality of criminal and distributive justice(as a means of preventing revolutions which might not be any better than the status quo) provide a strong impetus to take up such beliefs. How do we reconcile this political idealism with realism? Are situationalism and phrenesis really our only way out of this labyrinth?
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Damn, Mike. Time is a cruel son of a bitch, isn't it?
@@i_perpetuated_a_white_savi344 And not only chocolate milk. And maybe he ate Plato instead of reading him. But lots of smoking to. It's like Lucille Ball's voice near the end.
Really?
@@i_perpetuated_a_white_savi344 Bullshit ad hominem. Are you here for the intellectual content, or to display your own emotional dwarfism?
Seems some are still learning life
Being is time, and we are always Being toward death. read your heidegger!
Innoculations good? Are you sure? Kant is right here. Some lines you don’t cross.
Conflating the Declaration of Independence with the Constitution is specious.
The motivated contempt in your ongoing campaign to discredit Sugrue is specious. You clearly have a poor understanding of discourse, and a problem with emotional regulation. Get help before you hurt someone. Lacking close friends, perhaps you can pay someone to care. Best of luck.
@@willmercuryYour moniker belies you nature, Wilmer.