Novice perspective: Been practicing Bach stuff using both the piano voice and the organ voice. They really expose different weaknesses. On the Piano voice, you really need to think about dynamics and articulation/attack but you can blow off the duration without it sounding too bad. Using the organ voice, it becomes glaringly apparent when something gets held over too long and steps on something else.
Great observation! I'm studying piano and keys right now, and we had a semester of Hammond organ lessons. The cutoff for the sound is instant, so if your timing is off on anything (whether it's jazz or funk or whatever) it's glaringly obvious.
100% this. Its the biggest problem of being a gigging keyboard player. Constantly having to do piano gigs without a real instrument, and often being the only musician on the bandstand not playing an acoustic instrument. It just never feels right... and even if it gets the job done from the audience perspective it feels like a very substandard product. You can spend many thousands on a good quality keyboard and amplification and have if still fall way short of a real piano, and the feel will always be very different.
A lot of this resonated with me, but I'm a jazz organ player, and I find it even more rare to find a house organ to use. I used to use a chopped organ with a simulated leslie because I love the feel of real hammond keys which are made with a pivot point that is much farther back than a typical midi keyboard. These days I use a "clonewheel" organ with a real Leslie because there's just nothing like a real spinning rotor throwing the sound around a room. My wife always rolls her eyes when I talk about taking the Leslie to a gig and she REFUSES to help me load it into my truck, but I always find a way to make it work. Anyway, I never hear you guys talk about playing organ. Have either of you ever gigged with an organ? I'd be interested to hear a whole podcast episode on your thoughts and experiences with jazz organ.
I actually learned piano 90% on an electric keyboard (Korg SV-1!!!) because an acoustic wasn't an option for the space I had available. When I started teaching the last few years and using real piano every day it was a game changer. One big thing I noticed was that acoustic piano has a natural latency, so my muscle memory and timing was slightly different and I had to work on my technique a lot. The time between the key strike and the hammer strike is happening in real time and you can feel that occurring. It's something I never noticed before. I love my Korg Nautilus for its Rhodes and Piano honestly, but now 8 years into my piano journey I actually do prefer acoustic piano.
I also practiced from a sv1 to a nord and now to a kawai mp se11. All three have different feels and I didn't really learn great articulation until I got to the Nord S3 then I found a deal with the mp11se (SO lucky on how much I got it for). The MP11SE has been the to the acoustic feel but even then.. I saw my weaknesses comparing to the S3. Although I can't say I exactly know how an acoustic plays because I don't get enough play time with them to understand. I don't see the nuances Peter and Adam see and so I hope some day in the future I can pick up a quality upright or grand to finally experience that. I love the SV1 but geez, comparing to the two, it's quite heavy on the action.
@@davidraksin9694 One thing I noticed is that there are definitely some electronic keyboards that have action that is heavier than many real pianos I've played. Each acoustic piano feels a little different, too. You really gotta get to know it. There are times that I really appreciate the consistency of a good electric keyboard's keybed. Rolands feel pretty nice too. The SV-1 was on the heavier side for sure. The Nautilus I have is very pleasant to play. I guess since I came from keyboards first I can appreciate both equally for different reasons.
@@remyvegamedia I also come from keyboard first but what I noticed when the chances of acoustic is present, it genuinely does feel better. Although hands down the nord and kawai probably is a better choice than to play janky uprights and grands. Some of the action on those was painful and I'd rather go to my sv1 in that case since I can get better articulation on that. It is subjective. I remember asking j3p0 (a pianist that's also heavily into synth) he has both a Steinway and nord. He mentioned it really doesn't matter to him because he'll make it work depending on the situation. Although, it's really dependent on the show. I'd probably be really picky if I was at the level of Adam and Peter. But it's not a deal breaker. I'm not at their level of gigs though so I can't necessarily say that. That being said, if you could achieve the expression and sound with the tools you have then it doesn't matter. But I think if you have the resources to see what works better for you then I think majority of the time, you may lean towards a *good* acoustic. When I went to NYs Steinway piano store front and tried their pianos, it was interesting to me on how much expression I was missing out comparing to the SV1 at the time.
Simply having the SPACE to be able to house an acoustic piano, let alone being able to play it (ie: Apartment) is the biggest challenge. And it's pretty disconcerting to see so many people GIVING AWAY incredible pianos these days. In the past year, I've literally seen three Steinways being given away, but what can you do? If you don't have a house to put it in, there's no way around it.😫
Paul Reed Smith, the owner and founder of PRS Guitars has a very good TEDTalk where he says that a good instrument is one where you put in 10 and get out 9.5 and a bad instrument is one where you’re putting 10 and you get out three or four. He’s basically trying to say that instruments always take a little bit away from what your intention is and the good instruments takes lesser energy out of you and at the same time is more transparent and elucidates your weaknesses and strengths.
I've learned on a korg and honestly I can see time where I would use the piano sound from it over an acoustic piano, for things like root position polychords in the middle to upper register. The lack of resonance and reverb actually helps with the clarity of the intervals I feel, intonation differences might also be part of that. Definately it's own vibe, for more percussive playing it can't compare though, the accoustic packs a much bigger punch.
Hi guys firstly a big thank you for your inspiration and with your help allowing me to move my playing up to the next level. For the past 41 years I have gigged all over the world literally. Music has given me an amazing life. Being busy playing has never allowed me time to properly practice . Nowadays gigs are far less but on the up side I have more time to study the advanced side of harmony. Regarding real pianos vs Keyboards as far as I am concerned there will always be a huge and definite divide. I purchased my mk1 Rhodes in 1984 and it was 10 years old when i bought it. I have tried to replace it dozens of times over the years. Almost sold it several times I have lost count of the digital keyboards i have owned but always end up going back to my trusty RHODES with a synth on top. Recently owned the new Legend 70 and before this a yamaha CP4. Both are great all round gigging machines . However for self satisfaction as you are discussing here its not possible to recreate the feel but more so the slight imperfections in keybeds and sound that vintage gear has that makes it special. I now gig a Vintage Vibe with a QRS Midi kit to get acoustic piano sounds. Its slightly better than lugging the RHODES but for some reason I personally still prefer the 40 year old Rhodes than the 3 year old V.V and they are basically the exact same thing inside.I am fortunate to have a Yamaha Grand piano in my home so playing any kind of digital keyboard always feels uninspiring no mater how amazing it is.This in many ways a shame.But in the defence of the modern controller keyboard and a macbook as a gigging musician you have to consider the huge inconvenience of needing I big van or trailer to move the older gear around . Struggling up stair cases with a 140lb Rhodes plus all the extra " Valve amps" and speakers to get the correct sound ( You can NOT D.i a Rhodes into a P.A ) to usually be told there is not enough space as the chap the day before had a " Red" Keyboard on a X stand that sounded great !!! But for me its all worth it for sure. If you guys are ever near geneva or at the Montreaux Jazz festival let me know and will make sure you have some gear you will love playing??
AGREED! Pianist UNITE! There is NO comparison. I turn down SO much work because I believe that if one presents a pianist then it should be obvious to the presenter that the player should be playing the instrument that he has dedicated his life to PRACTICING. Too often demanding a real acoustic piano is met with blank stares and even the vibe that the player is too demanding, akin to some rock and roller saying he wants the red M&Ms removed from the candy jar. This is a crime!
Thanks Peter and Adam for the great jazz piano podcast. Speaking of looking for a good quality piano, which of course is a noble thing, let's not forget that one of the best pieces of piano art (Koln Concert) was recorded on a bad quality piano. Sometimes the imperfections bring out the best out of the artist🎹
For a lot of people having an acoustic piano just isn't a feasable option for the reasons you gave - space, weight, maintenance, price and ........ no ear phone socket ! (When you want to practice without disturbing people). When I do get to play an acoustic piano it does feel totally different to a digital keyboard.
I thought I could guess the reason when I read the title, but there were a lot of subtle points you brought to light. Fun and informative. I really love the part at the end about how there are some folks and companies out there really supporting pianos (this real thing!) in creative ways.
Some aspects of acoustics will maybe never be matched by virtual pianos. However, I think there is so much more potential in both the mechanics/sensors of a MIDI keyboard and how the software translates that into sound. I wish, piano companies pushed the boundaries to a whole new level. Personally, I am using a hybrid piano with a real grand action as MIDI controller, great HIFI system, and Vienna Synchron Pianos, adjusting every key. It's not a real concert grand for sure, but it's fun. However, as mentioned in the video, that's very expensive and you can't carry it around.
Other things missing on keyboards/vsts: Resonance from properly tuned partials. and continuous level changes instead of samples at fixed volumes that switch.
But like Adam says: are you really going to notice that without a $5k studio monitor? My $50 Sony “studio” headphones are unlikely to pick up those subtle resonances. And I’d imagine thatt the modern VSTs (on fast modern CPUs) model them anyway, right?
The part I hated the most about using a keyboard piano on gigs was the amp. Most keyboardists have their amp with a 12 or 15 inch speaker and maybe a horn, but as soon as you start playing it sounds small and fake, or bassy and reverby.
Keyboard amps are fine for synth and organ, and EP kinda, but not piano. Muddy and boxy, all the details smeared by the giant speaker. That's just how it is.
What is missing, to me, in digital keyboards is a lack of vibration and resonance of the instrument. Also the sound coming from a speaker is disconnected from the instrument itself.
Always insightful. Thank you gentlemen. The Yamaha hybrid pianos are the closest I have ever heard or played in recreating the "feel" of a real instrument. Most likely because they use an actual hammer mechanism and the internal speakers are voiced to sound acoustic. One challenge is that they are not set up well when you need a line out to the house.
In Dire Straits' On Every Street Tour, Alan Clark stopped using a Steinway grand and used a Korg digital piano instead. That changed everything for me. Such a great musician, NOT playing the best instrument available, what a pity.
I will never give up my Yamaha S90XS! It feels a lot different than an acoustic piano, but I love the heavy weight of the keys as I am a ham-fisted ogre who enjoys the way it helps me cheat dynamics. Plus my sister (the music pro in the family) got my parents' Steinway 😭
I think I'm not good enough at playing to worry about this. It doesn't matter if you don't have the same expression level on a keyboard when you're still struggling with long arppegios... and if you're broke lol
Imagine a venue asking a drummer to play an e-kit! As for my apartment, an acoustic piano is simply not practical to move, especially between cities, every few years. Add to that temperature and humidity constraints, plus regular tuning, and I'm easily looking at an extra $200 a month. Only if I were hosting regular events, if I had children, or I started taking paying piano gigs would it be worth it. Now watch me eat my words in a year or two!
I think we all have these issues. I play guitar and my sound influences how I play. If the sound is not "right" then I will not play as well. It is very hot here this summer and ceiling fans are everywhere. They negatively influence the guitar sound and make it very difficult to play well. Turning the fans off is not an option due to the heat.
Love, LOVE my Roland FP-E50 - great keybed, lovely acoustic grand sounds, excellent dynamic range. I will never be a hundredth of the player these guys are, but I prefer it over my Yamaha grand. Maybe most importantly, I love listening to music and the Roland *sounds* great at any volume.
A keyboard is nice when I want to use a bunch of fx pedals with the piano... and that's most of the time, so... Also, a keyboard is easier to pick up and run with. With an acoustic piano, you just have to abandon it, though you have a better chance of getting away. That's why an acoustic piano is always best when it's somebody else's problem, and you just get to play it.
On keyboard feel- I have an elderly Kawai electric piano, which has the action of a grand piano, in that they literally put the action from a grand in the keyboard. So the action feels great, but a. It's incredibly heavy b. The sound is decent but still a sample I think Nord also do a model with the same deal? Or is that the model you guys play anyway?
it really annoys me how keyboards are sold by the multitude and quality of other sounds and instruments it can sound like other than a piano. No one would buy a guitar because it makes a fake trumpet sound. Its less like you're playing an instrument and more like you're pressing buttons that represent sounds.
It frustrates me to no end why other musicians, with their fine vintage horns, guitars, drums, acoustic basses, vocal mics, etc don’t get why we pianists are not okay with performing on digital keyboards.
I am not a fan offff … Keith Jarrett…. But, I love Rhodes and they do better than piano sounds on most PA system. I did not understand why he was reluctant at playing a Rhodes with Miles. After having a 1908 Steinway O I totally understand his point, when you have such piece of art, you can bring fantastic colors that electronic and electric can’t match, so far.
Anyone try or are using the Nord Grand? I stopped gigging with keyboards years ago but have been super curios about this one with the Kawaii action and sensors tracking the hammers and not the keys.
I sure do! Its solid! Made in Japan, fullsize wooden keys with hammer action (Kawai grand feel action) . Feels extremely close to an acoustic for 1/4 of the price for newer stage pianos. Plus it looks cool and has a great back story. The designer wanted to create a minimalist stage piano for pianists that want an acoustic piano feel with a design inspired by the Rhodes Mk1. Kawai actually insisted on the LCD screen and additional sounds. Compromised the original vision, but a really cool piece of gear none the less IMO. Highly underrated, and most importantly, incredibly satisfying to play. @@GizzyDillespee
Novice perspective: Been practicing Bach stuff using both the piano voice and the organ voice. They really expose different weaknesses. On the Piano voice, you really need to think about dynamics and articulation/attack but you can blow off the duration without it sounding too bad. Using the organ voice, it becomes glaringly apparent when something gets held over too long and steps on something else.
When you play vibraphone you get both of the negatives :)
Great observation! I'm studying piano and keys right now, and we had a semester of Hammond organ lessons. The cutoff for the sound is instant, so if your timing is off on anything (whether it's jazz or funk or whatever) it's glaringly obvious.
100% this. Its the biggest problem of being a gigging keyboard player. Constantly having to do piano gigs without a real instrument, and often being the only musician on the bandstand not playing an acoustic instrument. It just never feels right... and even if it gets the job done from the audience perspective it feels like a very substandard product. You can spend many thousands on a good quality keyboard and amplification and have if still fall way short of a real piano, and the feel will always be very different.
A lot of this resonated with me, but I'm a jazz organ player, and I find it even more rare to find a house organ to use. I used to use a chopped organ with a simulated leslie because I love the feel of real hammond keys which are made with a pivot point that is much farther back than a typical midi keyboard. These days I use a "clonewheel" organ with a real Leslie because there's just nothing like a real spinning rotor throwing the sound around a room. My wife always rolls her eyes when I talk about taking the Leslie to a gig and she REFUSES to help me load it into my truck, but I always find a way to make it work.
Anyway, I never hear you guys talk about playing organ. Have either of you ever gigged with an organ? I'd be interested to hear a whole podcast episode on your thoughts and experiences with jazz organ.
I actually learned piano 90% on an electric keyboard (Korg SV-1!!!) because an acoustic wasn't an option for the space I had available. When I started teaching the last few years and using real piano every day it was a game changer.
One big thing I noticed was that acoustic piano has a natural latency, so my muscle memory and timing was slightly different and I had to work on my technique a lot. The time between the key strike and the hammer strike is happening in real time and you can feel that occurring. It's something I never noticed before.
I love my Korg Nautilus for its Rhodes and Piano honestly, but now 8 years into my piano journey I actually do prefer acoustic piano.
I also practiced from a sv1 to a nord and now to a kawai mp se11.
All three have different feels and I didn't really learn great articulation until I got to the Nord S3 then I found a deal with the mp11se (SO lucky on how much I got it for). The MP11SE has been the to the acoustic feel but even then.. I saw my weaknesses comparing to the S3.
Although I can't say I exactly know how an acoustic plays because I don't get enough play time with them to understand. I don't see the nuances Peter and Adam see and so I hope some day in the future I can pick up a quality upright or grand to finally experience that.
I love the SV1 but geez, comparing to the two, it's quite heavy on the action.
@@davidraksin9694 One thing I noticed is that there are definitely some electronic keyboards that have action that is heavier than many real pianos I've played. Each acoustic piano feels a little different, too. You really gotta get to know it.
There are times that I really appreciate the consistency of a good electric keyboard's keybed. Rolands feel pretty nice too. The SV-1 was on the heavier side for sure. The Nautilus I have is very pleasant to play. I guess since I came from keyboards first I can appreciate both equally for different reasons.
@@remyvegamedia I also come from keyboard first but what I noticed when the chances of acoustic is present, it genuinely does feel better.
Although hands down the nord and kawai probably is a better choice than to play janky uprights and grands. Some of the action on those was painful and I'd rather go to my sv1 in that case since I can get better articulation on that.
It is subjective. I remember asking j3p0 (a pianist that's also heavily into synth) he has both a Steinway and nord. He mentioned it really doesn't matter to him because he'll make it work depending on the situation.
Although, it's really dependent on the show. I'd probably be really picky if I was at the level of Adam and Peter. But it's not a deal breaker. I'm not at their level of gigs though so I can't necessarily say that.
That being said, if you could achieve the expression and sound with the tools you have then it doesn't matter. But I think if you have the resources to see what works better for you then I think majority of the time, you may lean towards a *good* acoustic.
When I went to NYs Steinway piano store front and tried their pianos, it was interesting to me on how much expression I was missing out comparing to the SV1 at the time.
SV1 has a bad touch and only couple of sounds and weighs a ton. I hated it.
Simply having the SPACE to be able to house an acoustic piano, let alone being able to play it (ie: Apartment) is the biggest challenge. And it's pretty disconcerting to see so many people GIVING AWAY incredible pianos these days. In the past year, I've literally seen three Steinways being given away, but what can you do? If you don't have a house to put it in, there's no way around it.😫
Paul Reed Smith, the owner and founder of PRS Guitars has a very good TEDTalk where he says that a good instrument is one where you put in 10 and get out 9.5 and a bad instrument is one where you’re putting 10 and you get out three or four. He’s basically trying to say that instruments always take a little bit away from what your intention is and the good instruments takes lesser energy out of you and at the same time is more transparent and elucidates your weaknesses and strengths.
I've learned on a korg and honestly I can see time where I would use the piano sound from it over an acoustic piano, for things like root position polychords in the middle to upper register. The lack of resonance and reverb actually helps with the clarity of the intervals I feel, intonation differences might also be part of that.
Definately it's own vibe, for more percussive playing it can't compare though, the accoustic packs a much bigger punch.
Hi guys firstly a big thank you for your inspiration and with your help allowing me to move my playing up to the next level. For the past 41 years I have gigged all over the world literally. Music has given me an amazing life.
Being busy playing has never allowed me time to properly practice . Nowadays gigs are far less but on the up side I have more time to study the advanced side of harmony.
Regarding real pianos vs Keyboards as far as I am concerned there will always be a huge and definite divide.
I purchased my mk1 Rhodes in 1984 and it was 10 years old when i bought it. I have tried to replace it dozens of times over the years. Almost sold it several times I have lost count of the digital keyboards i have owned but always end up going back to my trusty RHODES with a synth on top. Recently owned the new Legend 70 and before this a yamaha CP4. Both are great all round gigging machines . However for self satisfaction as you are discussing here its not possible to recreate the feel but more so the slight imperfections in keybeds and sound that vintage gear has that makes it special. I now gig a Vintage Vibe with a QRS Midi kit to get acoustic piano sounds. Its slightly better than lugging the RHODES but for some reason I personally still prefer the 40 year old Rhodes than the 3 year old V.V and they are basically the exact same thing inside.I am fortunate to have a Yamaha Grand piano in my home so playing any kind of digital keyboard always feels uninspiring no mater how amazing it is.This in many ways a shame.But in the defence of the modern controller keyboard and a macbook as a gigging musician you have to consider the huge inconvenience of needing I big van or trailer to move the older gear around . Struggling up stair cases with a 140lb Rhodes plus all the extra " Valve amps" and speakers to get the correct sound ( You can NOT D.i a Rhodes into a P.A ) to usually be told there is not enough space as the chap the day before had a " Red" Keyboard on a X stand that sounded great !!!
But for me its all worth it for sure. If you guys are ever near geneva or at the Montreaux Jazz festival let me know and will make sure you have some gear you will love playing??
AGREED!
Pianist UNITE!
There is NO comparison.
I turn down SO much work because I believe that if one presents a pianist then it should be obvious to the presenter that the player should be playing the instrument that he has dedicated his life to PRACTICING.
Too often demanding a real acoustic piano is met with blank stares and even the vibe that the player is too demanding, akin to some rock and roller saying he wants the red M&Ms removed from the candy jar.
This is a crime!
That opening F blues jam got me primed and ready for the podcast. Please let this spread. 🎶🔥 🎼🔥👍🏿💯🦁🌞
You guys should get some guests over, always love the podcast,always inspiring as hell. Even though i play tenor, this stuff is always awesome.
Thanks Peter and Adam for the great jazz piano podcast. Speaking of looking for a good quality piano, which of course is a noble thing, let's not forget that one of the best pieces of piano art (Koln Concert) was recorded on a bad quality piano.
Sometimes the imperfections bring out the best out of the artist🎹
For a lot of people having an acoustic piano just isn't a feasable option for the reasons you gave - space, weight, maintenance, price and ........ no ear phone socket ! (When you want to practice without disturbing people). When I do get to play an acoustic piano it does feel totally different to a digital keyboard.
I thought I could guess the reason when I read the title, but there were a lot of subtle points you brought to light. Fun and informative. I really love the part at the end about how there are some folks and companies out there really supporting pianos (this real thing!) in creative ways.
Pianos don't move when you play them! No keyboard stand is as solid. However, electronic pianos are always in tune!
Some aspects of acoustics will maybe never be matched by virtual pianos. However, I think there is so much more potential in both the mechanics/sensors of a MIDI keyboard and how the software translates that into sound. I wish, piano companies pushed the boundaries to a whole new level. Personally, I am using a hybrid piano with a real grand action as MIDI controller, great HIFI system, and Vienna Synchron Pianos, adjusting every key. It's not a real concert grand for sure, but it's fun. However, as mentioned in the video, that's very expensive and you can't carry it around.
Other things missing on keyboards/vsts: Resonance from properly tuned partials. and continuous level changes instead of samples at fixed volumes that switch.
But like Adam says: are you really going to notice that without a $5k studio monitor? My $50 Sony “studio” headphones are unlikely to pick up those subtle resonances. And I’d imagine thatt the modern VSTs (on fast modern CPUs) model them anyway, right?
The part I hated the most about using a keyboard piano on gigs was the amp. Most keyboardists have their amp with a 12 or 15 inch speaker and maybe a horn, but as soon as you start playing it sounds small and fake, or bassy and reverby.
Keyboard amps are fine for synth and organ, and EP kinda, but not piano. Muddy and boxy, all the details smeared by the giant speaker. That's just how it is.
What is missing, to me, in digital keyboards is a lack of vibration and resonance of the instrument. Also the sound coming from a speaker is disconnected from the instrument itself.
Always insightful. Thank you gentlemen. The Yamaha hybrid pianos are the closest I have ever heard or played in recreating the "feel" of a real instrument. Most likely because they use an actual hammer mechanism and the internal speakers are voiced to sound acoustic. One challenge is that they are not set up well when you need a line out to the house.
In Dire Straits' On Every Street Tour, Alan Clark stopped using a Steinway grand and used a Korg digital piano instead. That changed everything for me. Such a great musician, NOT playing the best instrument available, what a pity.
I will never give up my Yamaha S90XS! It feels a lot different than an acoustic piano, but I love the heavy weight of the keys as I am a ham-fisted ogre who enjoys the way it helps me cheat dynamics. Plus my sister (the music pro in the family) got my parents' Steinway 😭
I think I'm not good enough at playing to worry about this. It doesn't matter if you don't have the same expression level on a keyboard when you're still struggling with long arppegios... and if you're broke lol
Imagine a venue asking a drummer to play an e-kit! As for my apartment, an acoustic piano is simply not practical to move, especially between cities, every few years. Add to that temperature and humidity constraints, plus regular tuning, and I'm easily looking at an extra $200 a month. Only if I were hosting regular events, if I had children, or I started taking paying piano gigs would it be worth it. Now watch me eat my words in a year or two!
We need a Jackson Pianos in NYC for real!!!
Kawai MP11SE is about as close as you can get plus you get a like for the "Barrier Harris" gag alone!
I think we all have these issues. I play guitar and my sound influences how I play. If the sound is not "right" then I will not play as well. It is very hot here this summer and ceiling fans are everywhere. They negatively influence the guitar sound and make it very difficult to play well. Turning the fans off is not an option due to the heat.
For training keyboard. Because headphones, and I can train at any time of the day.
Peter “get me my Steinway” Martin
Love, LOVE my Roland FP-E50 - great keybed, lovely acoustic grand sounds, excellent dynamic range. I will never be a hundredth of the player these guys are, but I prefer it over my Yamaha grand. Maybe most importantly, I love listening to music and the Roland *sounds* great at any volume.
Thank you, Gentlemen ⭐🌹⭐
A keyboard is nice when I want to use a bunch of fx pedals with the piano... and that's most of the time, so...
Also, a keyboard is easier to pick up and run with. With an acoustic piano, you just have to abandon it, though you have a better chance of getting away. That's why an acoustic piano is always best when it's somebody else's problem, and you just get to play it.
They talk about pedals but don't have any lessons about them on the Open Studio website. Why is that, Peter and Adam?
On keyboard feel- I have an elderly Kawai electric piano, which has the action of a grand piano, in that they literally put the action from a grand in the keyboard. So the action feels great, but a. It's incredibly heavy b. The sound is decent but still a sample
I think Nord also do a model with the same deal? Or is that the model you guys play anyway?
it really annoys me how keyboards are sold by the multitude and quality of other sounds and instruments it can sound like other than a piano. No one would buy a guitar because it makes a fake trumpet sound. Its less like you're playing an instrument and more like you're pressing buttons that represent sounds.
It frustrates me to no end why other musicians, with their fine vintage horns, guitars, drums, acoustic basses, vocal mics, etc don’t get why we pianists are not okay with performing on digital keyboards.
The Nord Grand has one of the Kawai hammer action key beds and it’s really good, but surely this is as much about what you’re accustomed to?
Holly Cow!!!! That opening jam!!! You guys are supposed to inspire and make me put every instrument I own on REVERB!! 😎😎😎. Love you guys!!!! 🙏🙏🙏🙏
Give Peter a keytar
I am not a fan offff … Keith Jarrett…. But, I love Rhodes and they do better than piano sounds on most PA system. I did not understand why he was reluctant at playing a Rhodes with Miles. After having a 1908 Steinway O I totally understand his point, when you have such piece of art, you can bring fantastic colors that electronic and electric can’t match, so far.
PianoTEQ is my favorite.
Rd700 great mechanics
Love my rd88!
I love you guys I am obsessed
Anyone try or are using the Nord Grand? I stopped gigging with keyboards years ago but have been super curios about this one with the Kawaii action and sensors tracking the hammers and not the keys.
hey guys what piano VST is Peter using?
got my answer lol
Kawai MP7SE
As a guitarist I'm thrilled to see venues with no piano! HIRE ME!
Kawai MP9000! Shout out to 1999
Someone nearby is selling one, so I looked it up. Did you know, it's 70-something lbs? I bet you did!
I sure do! Its solid! Made in Japan, fullsize wooden keys with hammer action (Kawai grand feel action) . Feels extremely close to an acoustic for 1/4 of the price for newer stage pianos. Plus it looks cool and has a great back story. The designer wanted to create a minimalist stage piano for pianists that want an acoustic piano feel with a design inspired by the Rhodes Mk1. Kawai actually insisted on the LCD screen and additional sounds. Compromised the original vision, but a really cool piece of gear none the less IMO. Highly underrated, and most importantly, incredibly satisfying to play. @@GizzyDillespee
V piano - overrated and overpriced. Need a roadie to lift it and hated it. Sold after about three months. House too small for a grand unfortunately.
it's clearly his childhood trauma. cmon peter who beat you with a keyboard? u can tell us
Anybody know what controller Peter is playing in these podcasts?
M Audio Keystation 88, possibly?