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Still one of my favorite stargate moments was Jack being asked why he never mentioned getting the memories of a rural barber for years to which Jack responds, "it was relaxing"
I think the stones are one of my favourite examples of not only a bizarre alien technology, but also adapting human structures to them. I loved how Universe showed Homeworld using the stones not just for information exchange and briefings, but also downtime.
and it ruined the show with their cheating ass body swapping. Couldn't watch it with the kiddos after that and therefor it was cancelled only 2 seasons in.
@@themonkster333 Yep an excellent example of a cool concept that could have been used to enhance the story wasted on cheap soap opera drama. One of Universe's many issues.
I love these stones. The advantages and disadvantages of their use (ethical or otherwise) notwithstanding, the abilities are clear cut. We know exactly what they can and can't do, how to use it, how to disconnect it properly (and improperly). Definitely one of the best described artifacts. I bet it didn't take too long to MacGyver the portable communications terminal.
i believe they could be used to upload a persons mind into a clone body and essentially allow their bodies on the destiny to die off. and just like that, the SGU plot ends, only for the general to order them to another destiny class ship from the next generation of stargates. i mean version 2 stargates exist outside the milky way, it's how the Alteran first met the Asgard in the Asgard's galaxy. so it's possible that this other destiny class ship exists that is seeding just like the SGU gate system was seeded for untold millions of years. the same could exist even for the Pegasus gate system as well. and i went off topic again.. oh well lol sorry.
I believe they do have a limit, and I believe that limit is highly dependent on the technology of the Stargates which the communication Stones share a link with when it comes to Subspace connections, the reason why it worked within the Ori solar system was because of that other platform with the crystal, and the reason why they appear to have Limitless connectivity has to do with the Stargates along the path that the destiny was traveling alongside, my theory is that they can't go great distances without a Stargate or platform, but they require a link within Subspace through the star Gates as the star Gates have the capability of working like a telephone line. The show is always explaining Stargates are really just Advanced telephone Tech that people can walk through, everything from dialing the gate to making connections two other galaxies that are outside their own area code which is the reason why there's an eighth and Ninth Chevron, for the destiny it was a code, but for the rest of them I suspect that it has more to do with the location and how much power is required to make that connection to that location. However the stones themselves, just need a little bit of power to operate effectively and may not require more power for further connections, so long as there is a Stargate within the vicinity of that connection.
That's an interesting theory, that the stones could passively piggyback on the Stargate network. But I see a couple of problems with it. (1) The Stargates don't seem to have any connection with one another when there is no active wormhole between them. Even when they have to contact each other for the automated correlative update procedure, they automatically dial a wormhole to transmit the data. (2) The distance between galaxies is vast. In many cases it is likely that a gap is wider than a galaxy itself. It would be like a signal moving through telephone lines from one city to the next, but then reaching the coast and having a vast ocean to cross before the next telephone pole. Without under-water lines (in this case, more Stargates placed in the voids between every galaxy Destiny has ever been to), the distance seems to great to jump from one Stargate to another in a neighboring galaxy (unless, of course, those gates were super-charged to be able to dial up and make an 8-chevron wormhole connection). Thanks for your comment!
@@GateWorldDotNet well that's not necessarily true, in SGU we learn when Eli and a few others that get stranded on another planet, they use the kino remote and with that remote they have access to a few gates in range of each other, and it's my theory here when they jump between gates to other gates within the system they will get access to other gates the further they go. now i also remember the SGU gates have significantly less power and capability which means they only have access to a few gates in range and in order for a person to travel to all the stargates within that solar system, they basically have to travel to the gates that are closest which was a distance of 4 or 5 gates within range of each other, and my guess here is more gates will come into range along that path and become within range until they reach the end of the galaxy. going back to the stones, piggybacking off of that signal through subspace and each and every gate makes the connection possible, and at the end of every solar system that the Destiny reaches is a gate that is capable of dialing to another galaxy so long as it has enough power to make that address work, however in the case of the stones these gates on each end of every solar system work like an extender so the connection or link is much stronger, and capable to make that link to the next galaxy when it comes to transferring the signal strength via communication stone link as it's only transferring data and not an solid object. and the other reason why i come to this theory is the Destiny has a live feed of information being linked to it via subspace link of the stargate network and gains access to the information when it comes to a new gate system in range and has that path traveled and logged within the Destiny's computer before it ever reaches it, i would also assume that the Destiny updates it's computer every time it jumps out of FTL, the ships also giving the engines a rest, but it's also doing other functions since it's automated. i have other theories that could explain a few other things in how the Destiny operates, but i will save that for another time.
@@5226-p1e I always assumed the communication stones used quantum entanglement at a very high level. Stargate links still require some time to propagate (Sam mentions about 3.2 seconds to most worlds within the Milky Way). It's a very short amount of time but that is enough lag to make the remote control of a person in real time impractical.
@@TonyP9279 Well it could be this quantum entanglement theory as well, but I suppose I have my own bias of my own theory here, I would think that they would relate the technology to the Stargate Network within how it works to other objects. For example, when Earth first discovers the expedition site and Antarctica, O'Neill is using the chair which has access to all the star Gates and all the worlds that there are Stargates on, and I believe that all the Stargates essentially work on a network similar to our internet, but the gates function as wireless Network that is always online, have you noticed when we dial to another planet, that it seems to instantly connect to the other gate on the other side? Think of how that works from the perspective of sending a text message, the message appears to be instantaneous, however if you recall the early days of texting, it was sent on 2G speeds as that was all that was available at the time, and back then it was hit or miss, but then they upgraded to 3g, which was slightly better, now it was much more successful that the message would actually hit that other side, but in order to do that it needed to be relayed through other towers in order to make the full connection. Now star Gates aren't exactly telephones, but my assumption is that while it's dialing a gate, it's following a sequence of gates within the network, and it's trying to reach the ones that start with the first symbol and Network Auto adjusts itself when the next symbol is chosen, and when the gate on the dialing side reaches the fifth or 6th Chevron, the relay of network Gates has a greater idea of what world you are trying to access, so when you finally reach Chevron 7, and it locks, it's instantaneous that that connection exists, because during the dialing process it was linking up with several different gates in the system and every Chevron of every symbol got closer and closer to the planet, now as slow as our dialing computer is on Earth, the gate actually can function a hell of a whole lot faster, the gate itself can transfer physical objects near instantaneous or perhaps that 3.2 seconds that Sam suggests in the show, but I would believe that the information of the symbols being dialed is much faster when it's just dialing the address because all Stargates have a subspace link which connects them all together. And the reason why it works from Galaxy to Galaxy with the SGU Gates is because it doesn't require that much power to transfer data in the form of a consciousness over an physical object, a physical object requires a lot more power, but because we're using the gate system as an internet link and the gates work as a network of towers for boosting the signal across the universe, that limitation doesn't exist because it's not a physical item. However, when the destiny enters FTL when someone is using the stones at the same time, that connection is Disturbed for a few seconds until the ship stabilizes it's FTL speeds. Although I would have to say that it shouldn't be stable during FTL at all, but it is in the show so I suppose we have to bend to the lore here ha ha. I once had a theory that the crew could be saved by using the stones, because one of the people who use the stones in the ship was killed, and her consciousness floated around and that Network until someone else use that stone where their consciousness was transferred into that other person's, eventually people found out that this person had two consciousness inside the consciousness, which is why they eventually use the chair on board destiny to extract that consciousness into the mainframe. But anyway, I had the idea that they could essentially save everyone on board destiny, by transferring their consciousness into a clone body on Earth, now wouldn't necessarily be a direct clone because the SGC may or may not have the DNA of everybody on file or within a DNA cryogenic Frozen room, but they could essentially allow their bodies to die on the destiny while they transfer their consciousness into a new body on Earth using the Asgard core to create the clones with. Everybody's original bodies would have to die on the destiny, and their entire consciousness would move to the new body, essentially saving them from their doom on board the destiny. I read the comic for sgu, and I didn't like it, I wanted to find a way that they could do it with the technology they had available. So this is what I came up with.
Can I please suggest an Omnipedia topic? I'm watching the Enemy Within and I'd love a video on Kowalsky and all his different iterations throughout the show: original recipe Kowalski who died in this episode (RIP), simulation Kowalsky from Gamekeepers, alternate Earth Kowalski from Point of View, alternate timeline Kowalsky from Moebius, not sure if I missed any. He's one of my favorite characters and Jay Acovone is so great in the role.
@@GateWorldDotNet Maybourne is another of my favorites and I just watched Tom McBeath on Travelers and he's so good on that show, too. In case you need more SG-1 characters to do videos on. :)
Although it was annoying that they could never figure out how to turn off the terminal, I appreciated the mystery. Frankly I *still* wonder to this day how it's turned off. I always wondered why they were so easily activated and deactivated on _Universe._ 10:27 As for the _"2nd Limitation,"_ I had assumed it wasn't the gate travel, but the proximity of the two users that deactivated the stones. Telford and Rush suddenly went from being in different galaxies to being on the same ship. Long range communication wouldn't have been necessary.
Can an infested host with a goa’uld or Tok’ra transfer both entities to a remote body or only the humanoid consciousness but leaves the symbiote behind?
Unknown, I don't think any Goa'uld or Tokra ever got hold of the stones like that. but I imagine if both minds were placed into a single brain it might drive them mad. there are examples of this kinds of thing happening under different circumstances. Namely, the young girl who was cloned with Goa'uld DNA by rogue NID operatives in order to access the Goa'uld memories, the presence of the memories manifested a distinct personality, the presence of which eventually drove her to suicide. The second example would be during a mission to an alien world SG1 was captured and had robotic duplicates made off them, COK unfortunately had the mind of his symbiote merged into his own robotic duplicate the duplicate went insane as a result. Presumably using the communication stones would end up having a similar effect, and I wouldn't even want to guess what happened to the person who ended up in the Goa'uld body.
Perhaps the person who ends up in the Goa,uld body Gaines genetic memory, maybe they don't gain the memories of the symbiote, but the gain the ability to use genetic memory as sort of a clean slate. Now I wonder, experimenting with another piece of technology SG-1 has come across what has to do with memory, Colonel Mitchell use this device to show a dying friend of his what was actually going on in the world, and I wonder if this Tech could be used on a person who is being possessed by a symbiote, I wonder if it could essentially steal all of the knowledge of the Symbiote through its genetic memory except through digital means. The weird thing about that Tech, is it reminds me of how the ancient repository of knowledge works, though it may be a little less advanced and how much knowledge it as contained within. But this could be how the ancients collected all that knowledge in the first place using a similar method of Technology.
Having a few body swapping episodes here and there in a SciFi show can be fun, even if the concept is pretty kitsch and overused in SciFi in general (add body snatchers and mind control + crew goes crazy because of random telepath episodes... then it is an overdone to death SciFi trope). Using boring Stones for it... whatever, budget reasons, doesn't really matter, could have come up with something more visually interesting and i'm sure they would have if they had known how much mileage they would get out of this mcguffin... BUT making body swapping a main element of a spin off show was a bad mistake for SGU. Everyone i talked to at the time who watched Stargate hated the body swap filler episodes, even more so than the "canadian woods" episodes it felt like filler that didn't advance the overall SciFi plot... it made things in the show go WEIRD very fast (not in a good way, in the "don't sleep with the bosses wife" kind of way ...ugh) and i partially blame these stones for the cancellation of the show, simply because it was such a hated element and always omni-present. Why make a "lost in space" ship show if you end up phoning home every other episode? It is counter productive to the entire premise of the concept. "The wrong people for the job, stuck in the wrong place!" ...body swap for a few hours with a specialist ...solves any problem whenever the writers run out of ideas.
I would personally say they underused it, for example there are other technologies that exist on Earth due to our meaning of other Advanced societies and trading with them and their technology, an example of this is this technology that allowed someone to learn from someone else's memories, well that device was never used again after that episode of SG-1, it was just sent to Area 51 like every other artifact and forgotten about. If they were smart, they would have used it to create a specialist of somebody on board destiny or perhaps even a few people on board, and to balance things out some kind of catastrophic failure happened to the stones which means they couldn't do that again. Almost everything they did in the show was done by scratch, meaning when they didn't have a doctor but they had a medic oh, they would use the stones to find a doctor who could temporarily become a doctor on board the destiny, which don't get me wrong was great in a pinch, and made them use the stones far too often like you said. However if they were used in the way that I used as an example above, they could have use them to boost their knowledge in various aspects with that other technology so they didn't have to ReDiscover the wheel every episode. Because of that point they never really would need to use the stones again, so to create a conflict resolution of this, would be some way to destroy the link of the stones in some way oh, maybe a power surge completely fries them.
It still seems to me like they should have continued to persue it, if the deadly side effects were fixed then the wraith could have been a harmless species
I frankly do not like communication stones. I find it very unlikely that the Alterans would create a long range communication system where the users are forced to exchange bodies. It really breaks the characteristics of the Alterans. I would accept if this was created by the Ori since the Ori do not care about personal freedom, but I believe the Alterans would have taken issue with a system where exchanging bodies is compulsory, and thus making whoever they exchange bodies with have the right to do whatever they want with the body. These are the people who value personal freedom so much that they wouldn't even lift a finger in the face of annihilation. I seriously do not think that they would give up their own personal freedom and reputation with this system which is hugely open to abuse.
On the other hand, their culture had so much built-in morality that they probably trusted each other implicitly with the use of each others' bodies. They could literally read minds, remember, or at least some of them could. They could find out for a fact whether prospective users were planning something nefarious or not.
Not everyone within a society shares its general values. On top of that, the stones might have come with legislative and social instruments that made abuse highly unlikely. I doubt they were ever intended to be used by different civilizations, but they were built to last and somehow survived long enough (implausibly long) to be used by others than the Alterans themselves.
That's a good point, however I suspect that the platforms they didn't fully understand how to use, and they just use them on the most basic feature available. Same with the people who were under the oppression of the Ori, the initialize a connection, but they didn't understand how to operate it.
Hello Were'nt the communication stones originally used by the ancients as a toy? I think I remember watching an atlantis episode where the altherans said it used to be a game for their children and that they had no idea it could be used across galaxies
@@GateWorldDotNet Hello, my bad, it's not in the tv show but in the comic of SGU, after the show was cancelled. They meet a group of ancients who tell them it was a toy for their children
Was there ever an explanation about how a specific pair of people would be linked up? I don't recall that being described anywhere. Other than the plot of the show getting in the way how would any of the Users be sure they weren't accidentally mind-melding with someone else in the Universe who just happened to touch a stone at the right time?
Bro they mentioned it like 30 times in the show and 30 times in this video too. The stones are paired, the same 2 stones will always connect with each other... Not to mention it's not like there are 8 billion people using stones at any given point, you're not just gonna coincidentally use a pair of stones at the same time as another group...
The terminals pair up the stones and once paired those two stones will only connect to each other until reset to work with a different stone by a terminal.
The communication stones were definitely one of the reasons why I stopped watching SGU. It was definitely one of Stargate's jump the shark moments. That and I hated most of the characters and some of the subplots were absolutely ridiculous.
Yeah, having communication with Earth made the situation Destiny was in feel far less dire, and they themselves felt less alone. On top of that, using them as a plot device for soap opera level interpersonal drama killed the show for me.
That sort of writing kept going? I didn't make it past the first few episodes of SGU because that one Airman couldn't keep it in his pants. The writers of SGU must have been hired over from HBO or something.
@@aland7236 There was a scene where one of the main character swap body in SGU to have lesbian sex with her girlfriend in someone else body. I was like ahh, that some violation and to someone body.
Those stones ruined Universe and why it only lasted 2 seasons. Body swapping cheating asses. Couldn't watch it with the kiddos anymore after that little discussion.
Agreed, stupid concept. It was much more interesting when they were left to fend for themselves in another galaxy. The cheating with other people's bodies were stupid soap opera plots
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Still one of my favorite stargate moments was Jack being asked why he never mentioned getting the memories of a rural barber for years to which Jack responds, "it was relaxing"
I think the stones are one of my favourite examples of not only a bizarre alien technology, but also adapting human structures to them. I loved how Universe showed Homeworld using the stones not just for information exchange and briefings, but also downtime.
and it ruined the show with their cheating ass body swapping. Couldn't watch it with the kiddos after that and therefor it was cancelled only 2 seasons in.
@@themonkster333 Yep an excellent example of a cool concept that could have been used to enhance the story wasted on cheap soap opera drama. One of Universe's many issues.
I love these stones. The advantages and disadvantages of their use (ethical or otherwise) notwithstanding, the abilities are clear cut. We know exactly what they can and can't do, how to use it, how to disconnect it properly (and improperly). Definitely one of the best described artifacts.
I bet it didn't take too long to MacGyver the portable communications terminal.
Excuse you; Carter the portable communications terminal. ;)
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i believe they could be used to upload a persons mind into a clone body and essentially allow their bodies on the destiny to die off.
and just like that, the SGU plot ends, only for the general to order them to another destiny class ship from the next generation of stargates.
i mean version 2 stargates exist outside the milky way, it's how the Alteran first met the Asgard in the Asgard's galaxy.
so it's possible that this other destiny class ship exists that is seeding just like the SGU gate system was seeded for untold millions of years.
the same could exist even for the Pegasus gate system as well.
and i went off topic again.. oh well lol sorry.
It's awesome you keep on making videos about Stargate. Makes me have hope the show maybe coming back. Thanks!
I believe they do have a limit, and I believe that limit is highly dependent on the technology of the Stargates which the communication Stones share a link with when it comes to Subspace connections, the reason why it worked within the Ori solar system was because of that other platform with the crystal, and the reason why they appear to have Limitless connectivity has to do with the Stargates along the path that the destiny was traveling alongside, my theory is that they can't go great distances without a Stargate or platform, but they require a link within Subspace through the star Gates as the star Gates have the capability of working like a telephone line.
The show is always explaining Stargates are really just Advanced telephone Tech that people can walk through, everything from dialing the gate to making connections two other galaxies that are outside their own area code which is the reason why there's an eighth and Ninth Chevron, for the destiny it was a code, but for the rest of them I suspect that it has more to do with the location and how much power is required to make that connection to that location.
However the stones themselves, just need a little bit of power to operate effectively and may not require more power for further connections, so long as there is a Stargate within the vicinity of that connection.
That's an interesting theory, that the stones could passively piggyback on the Stargate network. But I see a couple of problems with it.
(1) The Stargates don't seem to have any connection with one another when there is no active wormhole between them. Even when they have to contact each other for the automated correlative update procedure, they automatically dial a wormhole to transmit the data.
(2) The distance between galaxies is vast. In many cases it is likely that a gap is wider than a galaxy itself. It would be like a signal moving through telephone lines from one city to the next, but then reaching the coast and having a vast ocean to cross before the next telephone pole. Without under-water lines (in this case, more Stargates placed in the voids between every galaxy Destiny has ever been to), the distance seems to great to jump from one Stargate to another in a neighboring galaxy (unless, of course, those gates were super-charged to be able to dial up and make an 8-chevron wormhole connection).
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well that's not necessarily true, in SGU we learn when Eli and a few others that get stranded on another planet, they use the kino remote and with that remote they have access to a few gates in range of each other, and it's my theory here when they jump between gates to other gates within the system they will get access to other gates the further they go.
now i also remember the SGU gates have significantly less power and capability which means they only have access to a few gates in range and in order for a person to travel to all the stargates within that solar system, they basically have to travel to the gates that are closest which was a distance of 4 or 5 gates within range of each other, and my guess here is more gates will come into range along that path and become within range until they reach the end of the galaxy.
going back to the stones, piggybacking off of that signal through subspace and each and every gate makes the connection possible, and at the end of every solar system that the Destiny reaches is a gate that is capable of dialing to another galaxy so long as it has enough power to make that address work, however in the case of the stones these gates on each end of every solar system work like an extender so the connection or link is much stronger, and capable to make that link to the next galaxy when it comes to transferring the signal strength via communication stone link as it's only transferring data and not an solid object.
and the other reason why i come to this theory is the Destiny has a live feed of information being linked to it via subspace link of the stargate network and gains access to the information when it comes to a new gate system in range and has that path traveled and logged within the Destiny's computer before it ever reaches it, i would also assume that the Destiny updates it's computer every time it jumps out of FTL, the ships also giving the engines a rest, but it's also doing other functions since it's automated.
i have other theories that could explain a few other things in how the Destiny operates, but i will save that for another time.
@@5226-p1e I always assumed the communication stones used quantum entanglement at a very high level. Stargate links still require some time to propagate (Sam mentions about 3.2 seconds to most worlds within the Milky Way). It's a very short amount of time but that is enough lag to make the remote control of a person in real time impractical.
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Well it could be this quantum entanglement theory as well, but I suppose I have my own bias of my own theory here, I would think that they would relate the technology to the Stargate Network within how it works to other objects.
For example, when Earth first discovers the expedition site and Antarctica, O'Neill is using the chair which has access to all the star Gates and all the worlds that there are Stargates on, and I believe that all the Stargates essentially work on a network similar to our internet, but the gates function as wireless Network that is always online, have you noticed when we dial to another planet, that it seems to instantly connect to the other gate on the other side?
Think of how that works from the perspective of sending a text message, the message appears to be instantaneous, however if you recall the early days of texting, it was sent on 2G speeds as that was all that was available at the time, and back then it was hit or miss, but then they upgraded to 3g, which was slightly better, now it was much more successful that the message would actually hit that other side, but in order to do that it needed to be relayed through other towers in order to make the full connection.
Now star Gates aren't exactly telephones, but my assumption is that while it's dialing a gate, it's following a sequence of gates within the network, and it's trying to reach the ones that start with the first symbol and Network Auto adjusts itself when the next symbol is chosen, and when the gate on the dialing side reaches the fifth or 6th Chevron, the relay of network Gates has a greater idea of what world you are trying to access, so when you finally reach Chevron 7, and it locks, it's instantaneous that that connection exists, because during the dialing process it was linking up with several different gates in the system and every Chevron of every symbol got closer and closer to the planet, now as slow as our dialing computer is on Earth, the gate actually can function a hell of a whole lot faster, the gate itself can transfer physical objects near instantaneous or perhaps that 3.2 seconds that Sam suggests in the show, but I would believe that the information of the symbols being dialed is much faster when it's just dialing the address because all Stargates have a subspace link which connects them all together.
And the reason why it works from Galaxy to Galaxy with the SGU Gates is because it doesn't require that much power to transfer data in the form of a consciousness over an physical object, a physical object requires a lot more power, but because we're using the gate system as an internet link and the gates work as a network of towers for boosting the signal across the universe, that limitation doesn't exist because it's not a physical item.
However, when the destiny enters FTL when someone is using the stones at the same time, that connection is Disturbed for a few seconds until the ship stabilizes it's FTL speeds.
Although I would have to say that it shouldn't be stable during FTL at all, but it is in the show so I suppose we have to bend to the lore here ha ha.
I once had a theory that the crew could be saved by using the stones, because one of the people who use the stones in the ship was killed, and her consciousness floated around and that Network until someone else use that stone where their consciousness was transferred into that other person's, eventually people found out that this person had two consciousness inside the consciousness, which is why they eventually use the chair on board destiny to extract that consciousness into the mainframe.
But anyway, I had the idea that they could essentially save everyone on board destiny, by transferring their consciousness into a clone body on Earth, now wouldn't necessarily be a direct clone because the SGC may or may not have the DNA of everybody on file or within a DNA cryogenic Frozen room, but they could essentially allow their bodies to die on the destiny while they transfer their consciousness into a new body on Earth using the Asgard core to create the clones with.
Everybody's original bodies would have to die on the destiny, and their entire consciousness would move to the new body, essentially saving them from their doom on board the destiny.
I read the comic for sgu, and I didn't like it, I wanted to find a way that they could do it with the technology they had available.
So this is what I came up with.
@@5226-p1ei really like your ideas! Thanks for that, always thought about those things and your thoughts fit well
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Thank you for this very thorough overview. As usual, your work is top notch.
Thank you, Margery! I was surprised this one ended up so long, but the stones have been used as a plot device in really a lot of different ways.
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Great vid
Thanks, Larry!
Joe the barber!!!
Love the work you do.
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Can I please suggest an Omnipedia topic? I'm watching the Enemy Within and I'd love a video on Kowalsky and all his different iterations throughout the show: original recipe Kowalski who died in this episode (RIP), simulation Kowalsky from Gamekeepers, alternate Earth Kowalski from Point of View, alternate timeline Kowalsky from Moebius, not sure if I missed any. He's one of my favorite characters and Jay Acovone is so great in the role.
Yes! Thanks for the suggestion. That would be a nice old-school throwback topic for OG SG-1.
@@GateWorldDotNet Maybourne is another of my favorites and I just watched Tom McBeath on Travelers and he's so good on that show, too. In case you need more SG-1 characters to do videos on. :)
Of course, Homer Simpson would find a communication stone in Indiana
I found this very informative, thank you.
Ah the technology that violates personal privacy... wait a minute
Although it was annoying that they could never figure out how to turn off the terminal, I appreciated the mystery. Frankly I *still* wonder to this day how it's turned off. I always wondered why they were so easily activated and deactivated on _Universe._
10:27 As for the _"2nd Limitation,"_ I had assumed it wasn't the gate travel, but the proximity of the two users that deactivated the stones. Telford and Rush suddenly went from being in different galaxies to being on the same ship. Long range communication wouldn't have been necessary.
Can an infested host with a goa’uld or Tok’ra transfer both entities to a remote body or only the humanoid consciousness but leaves the symbiote behind?
Unknown, I don't think any Goa'uld or Tokra ever got hold of the stones like that. but I imagine if both minds were placed into a single brain it might drive them mad. there are examples of this kinds of thing happening under different circumstances. Namely, the young girl who was cloned with Goa'uld DNA by rogue NID operatives in order to access the Goa'uld memories, the presence of the memories manifested a distinct personality, the presence of which eventually drove her to suicide. The second example would be during a mission to an alien world SG1 was captured and had robotic duplicates made off them, COK unfortunately had the mind of his symbiote merged into his own robotic duplicate the duplicate went insane as a result. Presumably using the communication stones would end up having a similar effect, and I wouldn't even want to guess what happened to the person who ended up in the Goa'uld body.
Perhaps the person who ends up in the Goa,uld body Gaines genetic memory, maybe they don't gain the memories of the symbiote, but the gain the ability to use genetic memory as sort of a clean slate.
Now I wonder, experimenting with another piece of technology SG-1 has come across what has to do with memory, Colonel Mitchell use this device to show a dying friend of his what was actually going on in the world, and I wonder if this Tech could be used on a person who is being possessed by a symbiote, I wonder if it could essentially steal all of the knowledge of the Symbiote through its genetic memory except through digital means.
The weird thing about that Tech, is it reminds me of how the ancient repository of knowledge works, though it may be a little less advanced and how much knowledge it as contained within.
But this could be how the ancients collected all that knowledge in the first place using a similar method of Technology.
A device that surrender someone privacy. Wait a minute.
Having a few body swapping episodes here and there in a SciFi show can be fun, even if the concept is pretty kitsch and overused in SciFi in general (add body snatchers and mind control + crew goes crazy because of random telepath episodes... then it is an overdone to death SciFi trope).
Using boring Stones for it... whatever, budget reasons, doesn't really matter, could have come up with something more visually interesting and i'm sure they would have if they had known how much mileage they would get out of this mcguffin...
BUT making body swapping a main element of a spin off show was a bad mistake for SGU.
Everyone i talked to at the time who watched Stargate hated the body swap filler episodes, even more so than the "canadian woods" episodes it felt like filler that didn't advance the overall SciFi plot... it made things in the show go WEIRD very fast (not in a good way, in the "don't sleep with the bosses wife" kind of way ...ugh) and i partially blame these stones for the cancellation of the show, simply because it was such a hated element and always omni-present.
Why make a "lost in space" ship show if you end up phoning home every other episode? It is counter productive to the entire premise of the concept.
"The wrong people for the job, stuck in the wrong place!" ...body swap for a few hours with a specialist ...solves any problem whenever the writers run out of ideas.
I would personally say they underused it, for example there are other technologies that exist on Earth due to our meaning of other Advanced societies and trading with them and their technology, an example of this is this technology that allowed someone to learn from someone else's memories, well that device was never used again after that episode of SG-1, it was just sent to Area 51 like every other artifact and forgotten about.
If they were smart, they would have used it to create a specialist of somebody on board destiny or perhaps even a few people on board, and to balance things out some kind of catastrophic failure happened to the stones which means they couldn't do that again.
Almost everything they did in the show was done by scratch, meaning when they didn't have a doctor but they had a medic oh, they would use the stones to find a doctor who could temporarily become a doctor on board the destiny, which don't get me wrong was great in a pinch, and made them use the stones far too often like you said.
However if they were used in the way that I used as an example above, they could have use them to boost their knowledge in various aspects with that other technology so they didn't have to ReDiscover the wheel every episode.
Because of that point they never really would need to use the stones again, so to create a conflict resolution of this, would be some way to destroy the link of the stones in some way oh, maybe a power surge completely fries them.
It still seems to me like they should have continued to persue it, if the deadly side effects were fixed then the wraith could have been a harmless species
I frankly do not like communication stones. I find it very unlikely that the Alterans would create a long range communication system where the users are forced to exchange bodies. It really breaks the characteristics of the Alterans. I would accept if this was created by the Ori since the Ori do not care about personal freedom, but I believe the Alterans would have taken issue with a system where exchanging bodies is compulsory, and thus making whoever they exchange bodies with have the right to do whatever they want with the body.
These are the people who value personal freedom so much that they wouldn't even lift a finger in the face of annihilation. I seriously do not think that they would give up their own personal freedom and reputation with this system which is hugely open to abuse.
On the other hand, their culture had so much built-in morality that they probably trusted each other implicitly with the use of each others' bodies. They could literally read minds, remember, or at least some of them could. They could find out for a fact whether prospective users were planning something nefarious or not.
Not everyone within a society shares its general values. On top of that, the stones might have come with legislative and social instruments that made abuse highly unlikely. I doubt they were ever intended to be used by different civilizations, but they were built to last and somehow survived long enough (implausibly long) to be used by others than the Alterans themselves.
I theorize that the alterans wanted to ensure that the ori didn’t spy on them, and made the terminal one wau
That's a good point, however I suspect that the platforms they didn't fully understand how to use, and they just use them on the most basic feature available.
Same with the people who were under the oppression of the Ori, the initialize a connection, but they didn't understand how to operate it.
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Were'nt the communication stones originally used by the ancients as a toy? I think I remember watching an atlantis episode where the altherans said it used to be a game for their children and that they had no idea it could be used across galaxies
No, nothing like that comes to mind. Reese's Replicators were originally a toy ...
@@GateWorldDotNet Hello, my bad, it's not in the tv show but in the comic of SGU, after the show was cancelled. They meet a group of ancients who tell them it was a toy for their children
08:54 Yep, using someone body to have sexual relationship is a ethical question, not to mention drugs, and a lot of ethical problem.
Was there ever an explanation about how a specific pair of people would be linked up? I don't recall that being described anywhere. Other than the plot of the show getting in the way how would any of the Users be sure they weren't accidentally mind-melding with someone else in the Universe who just happened to touch a stone at the right time?
Bro they mentioned it like 30 times in the show and 30 times in this video too. The stones are paired, the same 2 stones will always connect with each other... Not to mention it's not like there are 8 billion people using stones at any given point, you're not just gonna coincidentally use a pair of stones at the same time as another group...
The terminals pair up the stones and once paired those two stones will only connect to each other until reset to work with a different stone by a terminal.
The communication stones were definitely one of the reasons why I stopped watching SGU. It was definitely one of Stargate's jump the shark moments. That and I hated most of the characters and some of the subplots were absolutely ridiculous.
Yeah, having communication with Earth made the situation Destiny was in feel far less dire, and they themselves felt less alone. On top of that, using them as a plot device for soap opera level interpersonal drama killed the show for me.
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Seems like quantum tunneling "spooky action at a distance" Albert Einstein.
The body-swap sex antics was what pushed the stones too far me .
That sort of writing kept going? I didn't make it past the first few episodes of SGU because that one Airman couldn't keep it in his pants. The writers of SGU must have been hired over from HBO or something.
@@aland7236 There was a scene where one of the main character swap body in SGU to have lesbian sex with her girlfriend in someone else body. I was like ahh, that some violation and to someone body.
Jack and barber 💈 would have seen some intimate details 😂
I believe it was Rush who brought the stones to Destiny, not the Colonel.
Those stones ruined Universe and why it only lasted 2 seasons. Body swapping cheating asses. Couldn't watch it with the kiddos anymore after that little discussion.
Agreed, stupid concept. It was much more interesting when they were left to fend for themselves in another galaxy. The cheating with other people's bodies were stupid soap opera plots
there was a lot of unnecesary sex scenes, kids whatch this show, was akward,