Ayn Rand on The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson | Aug. 1967
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I saw Ayn Rand twice at Ford Hall Forum in Boston. I found her absolutely brilliant: how she could take a student's question, reduce it to it's basic premises and respond immediately astounded me. Truly a brilliant mind. And I might have even met her if life had gone differently. Truly a loss.
We saw her speak in 1972! Incredible!
It doesn't take brilliance to want things but not want to pay for them.
Credit to Johnny Carson, he clearly did his homework on the guest and topic.
Carson is the GOAT.
Hey troll that says the opposite of what happened in the video.
It'd be misguided to expect any less from Carson.
Ultimate professional
His knowledge of reading the room was incredible! The ability to know when a joke would be inappropriate... rare these days.
Johnny could interview anyone - a challenging intellectual like Rand and then the little old lady with the potato chip collection and everyone in between, and make it accessible and interesting and he treated them all with respect. We miss him and his integrity, and patience.
Johnny was an old school liberal who you could talk to when discussing divergent views. Not today!
Johnny was such a gentleman.
This interview is refreshing to watch almost 55 years later. I don't agree with everything she says but it is nice to hear a honest and intellectual discussion on the television.
You are another fake. She was a babbling nonsense. Not questioned about how her theories would take place in society. The interviewer didn't challenge/question the very thing she was babbling about. She was very dishonest especially with her 'cheating is fine' theory until she was cheated on and cried like a baby. Everyone out for themselves would have the working class take all their money and middle and upper class would need charity if they intended to keep doing little or nothing after her theory was put in place.
@@user-yp3oj5se1i Speak of who cheat *reality* by having sex with a minor, as they believe themselves to be superior to existence’. Not of an affair.
Or you think of sex only as a throwaway, a way to manipulate people.
@@user-yp3oj5se1icry more, commie
@@user-yp3oj5se1i
Ayn had so many things right. This interview was 1967. She opposed the draft, and her moral reasons for doing so were spot on. Milton Friedman also opposed the draft and advocated its ultimate elimination. Her insights into empires crushing on their own (Russia) and changes due to trade (China). I agree with her on almost everything except a few vital ones: abortion and religion. I understand her reasoning for these two but still diagree.
No wonder Mr. Carson was so good as a presenter.
When late night was intellectually stimulating.
Ah, the days when an interviewer was only interested in learning more about the interviewee and respectfully facilitating that to the audience and allowing them to come to their own conclusions. I miss those days. Closest thing we have to that today is probably Rogan.
It’s still being done today, but on podcasts
Every man doesn't have a right to exist for their own sake as they are fed and washed, literally kept alive because humans need other humans to do that as babies. Then Rand and her sort get the opportunity of education and the fact that men went through worse conditions than women like her as she was forming her opinions on how people should live.
Then the working class, one of the three groups people are separated into because of monarchy families/religious cults and money use/banking, are given the most unwanted jobs and the least pay in society.
Rand hopes people will not be aware of all that. Which is hilarious and her getting cheated on and freaking out over it was hilarious.
Correct! Narrators today are all "wanna bees" think we are interested in THEIR opinion!
Try the Hoover Institution.
@@robhaythorne4464 I love David V Hans a conservative oasis in a liberal Hoover Inst. But Peter Robinson is the worst self centered motor mouth interviewer ever! ANOTHER wanna bee but isn't, so he pontificates about HIS views that no one is interested in while wasting time interviewing the grt DVH! Rob ought to be fired!
Johnny Carson was a free thinker and did what he saw as right , a real American.
For over fifty years, no matter how many times I hear or read her, I remain in awe of the depth of her intellect. One day she will get the credit she deserves.
There will be another Mt.Rushmore with Aristotle, Locke, Smith, and Rand.
@ aeomaster32
I only hope you and many others read her 📚 BOOKS , whether you agree 👍 or not with her philosophy
Every coll shld be required to have her instit teach a course in capitalism! 33% if mid 20 yr olds say they wld be willing to "try socialism or communism" due to liberal swill taught in US colleges! Staggering!!
Yes very smart , but she does not have any spiritual radar which makes some believe she is a computer. Or robot .
@@wil7228 Clown remark! Capitalism is her spiritual base not socialism or communism! That is what built US into most productive country in world hist! US is ist country outsiders tried to BREAK INTO not out of!!! Born Russian who CHOSE America's capitalism to live under!
Wow! Incredible to hear her and a pleasure to see her as well. Such clarity, beauty and truth in what she says!
“Journalists“ of today, could learn a lesson from how Johnny Carson handled this interview. A “talk show host“ puts them to shame.
Well said.
As someone who always admired Ayn Rand I found this very interesting, thank you.
this is a amazing example. amazing explanation that was given out to the public on the johny carson show featuring ayn rand
August 1967 with 500,000 US troops on the ground in tiny Vietnam. Desperate need to understand that objective.
Thank you for posting these great videos and recordings, ARI!
If this aired today, the average watch time would be 20 seconds before moving on to the next Cat video.
hahahahaha
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Joecrowaz: I am writing this approx 1 year after your comment. Today, in 2024, the watch time would be less than 5 seconds, once Rand started her discussion...then onto the You Tube "Shorts" section. The "art" of thinking today, either objectively or subjectively, is nearly a fossilized or petrified collection of philosophical bones, dried in a desert of waterless thinking.
BCRadio
@@BolsaChicaRadio TH-cam shorts are going to be 10 seconds long in 10 years.
The “longs” are going to be anything over a minute. 🤣
I hope by then, I am "Long" gone.
BCRadio
Johnny was an excellent interviewer!
Superb interview.
Thank you ARI. It’s always wonderful to see Ms Rand.
I knew Rand would be great, but I was surprised with Carson. He was really good.
Great at being a degenerate. If working class people used her idea they would get all the land and highest pay amounts as they would be living for themselves and not helping upper class and middle class by doing all the most needed tasks would leave her needing charity from working class men. She said being a degenerate cheater was ok but balled her eyes out when cheated on. It's always wonderful to see that.
@@user-yp3oj5se1i So I’m sure that wasn’t an attempt to enlighten or persuade me. What was your point?
@@TheOrdener Enlighten an online troll? You phrased it as sarcasm but i simply relayed facts about the degenerate babbler rand , the middle class, no talent woman.
Your being a pathetic and cowardly online troll was the point.
Did Carson ask her how people would be able to actually do what she claimed?
Each person for themselves would disband the class system if carried out as she describes. Or the degenerate meant keep the modern updated enslavement/class separation and use her idea on top of it.
Your point was to claim both were great/good after watching obvious pro establishment propaganda. How much is your troll pay?
Carson was the best late night talk show host ever.This interview proves it.Those trying to fill his shoes today are simply children.
Absolutely! Thank you.
Dean
Seattle
A great example of “Objectivism” is given by Adam Smith in his book, “Wealth of Nations” - The butcher, in order to provide for himself and his family, must serve his customers and provide them with a quality product. Most government employees don’t have to provide or do anything in order to be paid with our tax dollars.
Much like Friedman’s Quadrants: The Butcher spends his own money on himself & his loved ones, so he is concerned with price & quality. The government bureaucrat spends other people’s money on other people & therefore is not concerned with price or quality.
And the G-men keep squeezing for more tax dollars.
Thank you so much for having the subtitles enable to have very much understanding.
“My views will be the norm of the future” (speaking of military draft). Genius!
We need her today (2022). Reason, not just emotions.
But we also need God and real redemption from Him
@@nancyf2665 You mean redemption from what He'll do to us if we don't grovel before Him?
I have never groveled before God Almighty, He gave freely
She has a strong opinion on things, perhaps a little less individualism would help society, but the idea that we should pursue our interests passionately and in so doing improve ourselves and employ less driven people along the way, seems like a workable plan.
Elon Musk has a vision of the future, he hires clever people on good wages to achieve his dream, society benefits from his industiousness. Seems to work.
@nancyf2665 I'm trying so hard not to make an innuendo here but you're making it difficult
I first heard of the book "The Fountainhead" when I was just finishing high school in the late 70's. I'd discovered that it was of huge inspiration to a very well known rock star. Repeatedly thereafter over the years, I would come across reference to it again and again, with the same acclamations about it.
I had already digested a solid decade of the classics and great philosophers, but most fortunately I'd just finished up a devoted study of Nietzsche, when I realized it was time to take on Ayn Rand's masterpiece.
When I chose to do so, I made sure it would be a concentrated effort . I read the book uninterrupted over a 2 day period while never even leaving my room. When I finished The Fountainhead, I stood on my balcony gazing at the heavens and recalled the closing line of John 9:25 "...whereas I was blind, now I see".
“Stop helping them economically… and they’ll collapse” (speaking of fighting communism). Genius!
Wow, I'm impressed with Ayn Rand, and Johnny Carson, I've always liked Carson from my youth.
How much do they pay you for online trolling?
Wow what an interview.
This was a great interview. Protesting fly got me again, so funny.
Considering how we now know how the staff of the MSM, Facebook, TH-cam, etc., censors and sabotages those who disagree with them we should wonder if those flies were there deliberately?
Johnny Carson asked some very relative questions during this interview. Well done Mr. Carson. Likewise Ayn Rand responded accordingly according to her belief systems.
A fabulous interview / discussion back in 1967 and I fully agree that today's mainstream media would never have the courage to engage in such interviews / discussions because quite frankly, most humans today do not have the ability for any higher-order thinking and engagement of something new and controversial as well something new to exercise the mind. Today it seems all most folks want is the here and now, silly social media, and all the rest of it.
Dean
Seattle
Thank you for posting his important video conversation.
This interview would never happen today without hecklers, jeering and forcing her off the podium. I’ve always been a fan of Ms Rand. I true genius.
I agree they would TRY to force Ayn Rand offstage. But they would not succeed.
Rand was unmovable.
Today you have to beat the drum of leftist “woke” doctrine. This woman would never be allowed to appear on TV!
I greatly disagree with Rand’s foundational perspectives but agree with all the commenters praising Carson for his interview skills and a society polite to an opposing presentation. America was indeed a great country not so long ago.
@@somepunkwhocares8660 She was moved to a cry baby rage when she got cheated on after claiming cheating was ok/not a problem.
Middle class Rand woman didn't explain about how we would transition from current lifestyle to her way of living as working class people using her idea would own everything and upper class and her middle class would need CHARITY from the working class doing all the tasks therefore keeping the earned value for themselves. What a pathetic middle class nonsense.
@@user-yp3oj5se1iAll I can say is --- Huh? Objectivism (like Algebra) is not for everybody, leave it alone.
it is very hard for me to realize that some people ( such as politicians ) are extremely narcissistic and ultimately evil.
For me the difficulty is having to accept it (about our politicians). Imagine how great this country would really be if they were moral and just, or the majority worked diligently to rid from office those who aren't.
@@amyjoyce2301 Its the memes of man the essence of the soul. I believe things could of been great if certain variables shall we say were just right at moment of time. But well a 2 party system well it wasn't always like that perse. But like Geroge Washington feared the 2 parties doesnt matter who or names of the parties so x and y as variables for them. He feared that it would spilt the people and it did but then people were split yet were civilized and debated about problems. But folks of today are divided to the extreme people would rather beat or scream at people who disagree with them. The meme is really ideologies evolved into more corrupting entries not necessarily the raw idea of them but concepts of them have been corrupted by greed over generations causing a rot in society. The worse things become the worse the meme becomes; the concepts keep growing into a cyst of garbage information and data. If we could as a people see the rot maybe it could be stopped.
People who are drawn to politics usually do have psychological issues such as narcissism and sociopathy, and the political establishment keeps them in line, which says a lot about the nature of the establishment.
We don't have a two party system in America. We have one party with two faces, each arguing that it needs your money to fix what the other guy did, and they go back and forth taking turns in power to take your money and share it among themselves. Contrary to popular opinion democracy is not the best political system mankind has ever created. In our case it has become utterly corrupted, just as authoritarian as other systems, just as greedy, but what's worse about democracy is the way it divides our society, turns us against each other, makes us distrustful and violent, all so we don't unite as one people against those at the top.
Our Founding Fathers pointed out that men aren't angels.
Simply put, politicians are the social climbers that no one liked in high school @@Anurania
Democracy is easily harnessed to become a house of misguided directive ....
Very few people that understand what is meant by "subjective" and how it relates to morality.
'how do you... share?'
'optionally'
savage
Indeed. Wonderful moment.
Johnny is smart, as well as funny. This is awesome. Ayn is here to crush to demi-Gods.
i always wondered what song she was talking about when i watched this interview before i am very happy they showed it here
People really get tripped up on the 'serve yourself' part of Rands philosphy, it so goes against what we're taught, people can't fathom it, they don't think far enough about it, that they understand this very real point she tries to make... immediately they go to anger and scoff.
Funny it seems to me that most people only serve themselves in today's society and it's evident all across the Internet that most people are extremely self centered and arguably lack empathy for others to the extent that it's a rather unhealthy and extreme idgaf attitude that perpetuates an ongoing division amongst average citizens. Moreover, our increasing divisiveness constantly deters us from forming any sort of an united front, whereby we could potentially gain the upper hand & defensive leverage over those in power who are seeking to keep us in our subliminally divided and conquered state.
conquered we actually are we're being taken advantage of a nation conquered as a nation to
This is fascinating!
Can you imagine a late night host, news program, or network producing an interview like this today?? They say no one would watch, no one cares. I think they are wrong, and the audience a program caters to says more about that program and how they feel about their audience than it says about the viewers watching.
Wow. Thanks for posting!
Johnny was so amazing
Wow, that flew past. What a terrific interview.
Amen,amen Miss Rand...tell them that,
Excellent old footage
Rand was so prophetic, touching on "unearned guilt," which is one of the cornerstones of today's CRT @13:55
Unearned guilt is stupid thinking . It means nothing don't buy it.
you don’t know what even CRT means
shut up, grow up
@jfabritz can we please move on from that strawman? 'CRT' is a legal term, nothing more.
.. now it is 2022. I really agree with her that no one has the right to initiate force and violence on peaceful people. This holds true for individuals and for Nations... our current immoral War on Drugs is largely the government initiating force on Peaceful people.
The War on Drugs fought against the people you're pretending to protect. Pharma and the cartel they're in bed with. It's infuriating.
How cool of Johnny!
I'm not sure that I agree with her but she has a forceful point of view that makes for an interesting discussion. Johnny Carson, definitely respectful, and asking the right sort of questions.
I have watched Johnny Carson since I was a kid ..reruns mostly you couldn't stay up late as a child unless late Summer time.this is the Absolute best interview I ever Saw him do period.his questions were dead on about or around 9:00 minutes in he touches on Religion ,and even though Ayn Rand escaped,and despised and hated Communism both are atheist viewpoints
I had to put on my attention cap just to keep up with Johnny.
Interview 101.
This was an informative interaction of the sort I rarely see today. (August 24, 2024).
In my opinion such interviews are often intentionally avoided/undermined because of particular agendas held by Those actively presenting them.
That being said if I understand Ms. Rand and Her stated philosophy I agree with Her in context.
I certainly have no problem integrating Her point of view with my own.
Thank You for this.
I’ve heard one similar philosophy, and it’s a system of reciprocity. It’s similar to Objectivism in that it wholly rejects compulsory relationships. She is correct and the best anyone can do is teach their children. Not to foist upon others their philosophy, by compulsion, but that hopefully some day, freedom will not merely be an idea.
In her prime & element👍
Carson was a good interviewer. It's a shame that so many of these shows are lost. I naturally wonder how/why this one got saved. NBC seemed to be the worst at taping over its shows. They taped a show, aired the show, and then taped over it. They used the tapes over and over again.
Sounds like my father ran NBC, AND it was all done on BETAMAX.
Johnny Carson is one smart quick common sense gent, done.
🇺🇸👍‼️What an incredibly intelligent woman and author!!!! 🇺🇸‼️
Wow. A interview with Any Rand and she is actually smiling. Most I have seen she never smiles.
She smiles in the Tom Snyder interview. I highly recommend it.
Rand was bold in philosophizing on a late night talk show.
Her not doing things for others idea goes against the class system that is set up to have the majority doing the most work for the least pay. Her idea would change the upper and middle class as working class are doing all the work and she says they should keep the value of the labour for themselves. Currently the upper and middle class take the value of working class work/labour and the least amounts of money is chosen to give working class people.
Each individual keeping all their work gains means the working class would then own everything as they do everything, including inventing/creating. They would own the property of the world which she said was good, the world would be the property of some people and working class would have private ownership of it.
Working class would have to get middle and upper class off their property if they stuck rigidly to her idea.
She died when one of the parts in her system decided to stop working for her.
@@user-yp3oj5se1i Develop a philosophy and economic system based on intellect, reason, morality, and fairness yourself then. It's easy emotional naysayers with nothing to lose to be overzealously critical.
@@amyjoyce2301 Rand didn't develop anything like you mention, she didn't mention an economic system idea other than using the existing capitalism/money based system.
You claiming her system was based on fairness excludes you from being conversed with as the main idea of hers was extreme capitalism. I leave you with this.
She was a hypocrite when she said cheating was fine but didn't like it when cheated on.
Trolls tell you about the emotion they perceive from you online when no indication of mood has been shown. Every troll that has attempted that common weak tactic with me has failed to back up their claim with evidence. For years.
Calling someone a "naysayer" tells us nothing about what was said. I didn't say simply 'No'/'nay' i ask people to think about putting her idea into place step by step and you'll see she had nothing thought out about how it could work.
I brought up the fact that she didn't explain a step by step plan for her ideas or if we do away with money use. She clearly intended to keep on using a monetary economy/capitalism with the anti living for yourself conditions imposed on most people that are made do the hardest jobs but get the least pay.
Rand was another cowardly, no talent, middle class, babbling hypocrite nonsense.
@@amyjoyce2301 Cat got your fake tongue?
@@user-yp3oj5se1i 🥱
As Moses once said - 'Do not Kill.'
(If you have the numbers, you will not need to.)
Carson listened intently and presented topics to Rand without interrupting or debating her. Phil Donahue was always opposing and talking down on her.
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Ayn has an objective perspective on human behaviorism
Brilliant philosophy, rational objectivism, nothing else compares.
Hi 👋 thanks.
And that's why Johnny Carson is still the reigning King.
The "SEMI" free world. Ha! She knows what's going on...
I would like to someday have as much class as Johnny Carson in this interview.
Wow! The Vietnam War had just barely started and Ayn Rand was spot on. It served zero purpose.
Serving in the military, I can say an all-volunteer force is not just an excellent idea, its morally sound. No man should force another to give away his life--we take freedom to defend freedom? Where is morality there? People decide on their own if they should fight a war by putting their life on the line. You'll have patriots, men who just want to fight and belong in an elite group, and those who want education and benefits. But that is the way is SHOULD HAVE been as well as the way that, thankfully, it is today. If men had to volunteer to fight in Vietnam, would we have had as many men joining? Likely NOT. To attract additional men would have been very expensive, but the men would be risking their own hides. The vets that were wounded may have been better cared for if an all-volunteer force existed in Vietnam. Maybe we wouldn't have gone to war in Vietnam if it looked like we couldn't recruit the men to fight.
@@haroldthomas1576
All excellent points!
I guess the future she was referring to when she said that her ideas would be the norm of the future is still far, far, really far away.
Can you imagine someone like her appearing on any Late Night Show now?
i can, but not without violently unwarranted backlash and furious notions of "cancellation"
Sad but probably true. I was thinking more about the remote possibility of any of the current batch of late night hosts of even understanding what Ayn was talking about. @@RioAzulOfficial
great point actually. I concur.@@glenndespres5317
He called her one of the most intellectual person of her time.
Yet today those of us that think the same way and hold the same beliefs are called crazy and stupid.
My how times change.
Imagine Ayn Rand on Bill Maher
Guest: "Miss. Rand, you're so selfish"
Hand puppets in the audience: CLAPS EMPHATICALLY
She was so right in everything she said.
Ayn Rand is the Einstein of philosophy ❤❤
I highly recommend TIKhistory.
What id give for a debate between Ayn Rand & Dean Martin
A true Aquarian.
i love her
I hate her and all of the stupid crap she peddles.
When asked about the need to go to war in Vietnam to prevent an awful possible outcome, I say, we can't make decisions on possible outcomes, only on principles.
This is really good
I m such an fanboy now xD
Has ARI ever considered commissioning a public works project or some sort of statue or commemoration of Ayn Rand for public use?
An Ayn Rand statue would last 13 minutes today before being canceled by communists.
@@Liberty4Ever That would be the point of it. It is a marker that is planted into the ground to polarize society so that people who hate it will attack it and people who love it will unify to defend it.
This is how social organizing always begins.
It would be destroyed by reasonable people who are not part of her cult. She was horribly racist and had no respect for anyone who dared to question her love of herself. As this pandemic has proven again(just like the worldwide recession that started in 2008) capitalism without constraint falls apart the minute something serious happens and has to be bailed out by the rest of the country’s people. Not only did we bail out the ass sacks who caused the economic disaster, we allowed them to receive huge bonuses on top of their bloated salaries. And now that it seems we have decided the pandemic is over, the huge corporations are robbing us blind with artificial inflation. She makes me puke.
@@kirktingblad6667 - You are confusing capitalism with cronyism. That's a common fallacy among the critics of capitalism. Capitalists are very much against cronyism, which is very nearly the opposite of capitalism. Capitalism is the voluntary mutually beneficial exchange of goods and services.
"Public" works project for a Rand statue? C'mon man!, Rand would not approve. But there is a private works statue of Rand at Discovery Park of America in Tennessee. I believe it's a privately owned museum but I'm not sure. I think it's the only statue in the world of Rand.
"My ideas may be the norm of the future, but not right now" - Ayn Rand
With that accent, Ayn would have made a great Natasha on the "Rocky & Bullwinkle" show. Would love to have heard her say "Boris, darling...."
We’re watching superior intellect here.
Ayn would never agree to portray even a fictional communist in the media.
@@julianhermanubis6800 No one knows for sure what she'd do since she's no longer around to ask. I think she'd welcome any chance to make fun of the Soviet regime.
@@louannhuber2651 Her "superior intellect" didn't prevent her from becoming a heavy smoker, which in turn led to her early demise from lung cancer.
@@jubalcalif9100 You know what, you could be right, if she found the show amusing. Ridicule/satire of communism might draw her in.
This can't be 1967 ,it looks older than the Frank Sinatra and dean martin video I just watched from 1965 on the carson show
She talks about Viet Nam war as if it’s been going on for long enough to deem it to be a useless war. ‘67 sounds about right.
@@louannhuber2651 I heard that part, but it just looks so old ,maybe the tape didn't age well
She almost got it ...
We're an amazing woman and simultaneously a hero and a tragic figure ...
She never got past conflating religion with spirituality.
Otherwise she would have known how spiritual she really is.
She was a prophetess.
Control your own power,
How on earth she managed to fool so many into her fantasies and shaped the society? There’s also Bukowsky .
Booze and stimulants
Since her time, rational though has devolved into “my truth”.
Autonomy
When you're not responsible for your own being which includes anything you believe and or stand for, then you will blame others why you don't have
She may not favor religions ideals, however believes a person should not be prevented from striving for them or forcing it on others.
Imagine, an intelligent host who isn't shoving Democrat Party vomit down the throats of the audience and remains neutral throughout!
Did she say the 19th century was the most peaceful century in history? The century of the US civil war? One of the bloodiest wars in history.
Choose, Ayn Rand, or, The View. Both have their own ideology and philosophy.
I always thought her name was Ann
Objectivism…rationale self interest. A few problems with that approach as we have undoubtedly seen over the years.
One example please
Excellent interview. However she did not practice what she preached. In fact sought to fiercely control others around her and when they strayed, condemned them and attempted to destroy them. Nothing rational about that.
When people had class....Johnny introduces her as “intense’ and ‘’interesting’.....now every interviewing fool must add right wing, or extremist,....making any divides worse as well as being dishonest......there are no unbiased anymore
I was conceived on the night of this interview. Thank you, Ayn!
Do you think that is because your parents became so excited by Ayn Rand's ideas or because they turned off the TV when she came on and were looking for something else to do? LOL
Did your parents make a rational decision?
How do you know? Did your parents keep a coitus diary?