Great guide! My first raid on G0 I went into that bathroom with the skeletons and found a Gold skull ring on one of the hands sticking out of the toilet. Every other time I went there there hasn't been anything though.
Pest, there are 3 safes you may not know about. They are generally only money safes, but occasionally spawn jewelry and horses. One safe is always open, two are RNG. The first safe is by the yellow Tartower's building. It is laying next to the bushes, directly in front of the entrance seen at timestamp 4:49. This building also has 2 computers, 1 possible duffle bag, and 3 possible tool boxes. Loose loot can spawn on the lobby table. Behind the red forklift to the left of the building is a large green pelican box. The second safe (RNG) is around the side of Capital Insight. When you leave Capital Insight and head to Nakatani, you would take a right and hug the wall into a court yard. It's in front of two small stores called Giovanni Teducci and Budda Lounge, you can see them at time stamp 13:02. The third safe (RNG) is near the hole in the interior wall of Empire building, when coming in from the main street. It is on it's back, next to the wall on the teller side of the building. You look directly at it at timestamp 14:50.
Hey just wanted to offer in some feedback that the map that my friend Narpha added in the upper left with the little green dot in showing position is SUPER helpful for my brain. Being able to orient on the full map vs what you see in game really helps me. Thanks!
I’ve been getting camped so badly 😕at this point I dunno if I have the motivation to play I keep dying to people hiding and can’t complete my tasks because people camp the tasks.
A cheeky way to leave the terragroup building if you're either worried about people coming up the stairs while you're in the office or for some style points, vaulting out the window (you need to be on top of something like a desk or the couch Pestily showed for whatever reason) you can head towards the car extract on that balcony and theres a little roof with some big pillars next to it. You can sprint jump onto that roof and then onto the pillars, and as long as you dont mess up the jump you can get down that way without breaking your legs
8:25 there's an incredibly rare gold spawn that can give you at least these 3 items, roller, gold skull and gp coin. I've not found any other gold spawn items so don't expect any absurd value but it does spawn.
I farmed this map as a new person to this game this wipe and have made over 40+ mil off this map. I scav it all the time You missed alot of the weapon crates in this map ( just naming the ones you didn't). There's the one at 4:50 as well as a safe. Theres 2 weapon box spawns near fusion building outside the front 2 weapon boxes in the room where you talked about getting food from ( one of top, one on bottom) 2 weapon boxes in the truck on the middle bridge/ramp by mira. The first computers room you showed also has a weapon box spawn in that room more often than not By nakatani near the dead pmc next to the vehicle there is a weapon box in the back of the truck. Also by nakatani, the building with the ags/computers. That room with the long table you were saying doesn't have much there is a bitcoin spawn on the table there too. And lastly that last key room you talked about there up to 3 weapon box spawns. I also on average hit 4 grenade boxes and 3-4 ammo boxes PER raid. There is an insane amount of ammo and grenades ( ive got 5 full ammo boxes with like 6 stacks of m856a1 and a rig of all ammo and a full grenade box with over 25 impacts)
@TheShadowFires yea I never mentioned the safe in tarbank I seem to never get anything out of these, so slipped my mind. Best was a horse in 100+ runs. Good call forgot about the second weapon box up there too
This map has had the opposite of the intended effect. You have fully geared 10--14 level players camping the full 50 minutes for easy PMC kills. PMC kills shouldn't count on this map. New people will quit and never return.
DO NOT go to Mira from the tunnel. Other routes can be safe, but players consistently camp the area above the ramp waiting for PMCs to leave the tunnel area towards Mira.
I could not equip the flare and it never gave me an area so then I looked at the map guide and still could not equip it after trouble shooting came back to the game and someone came up behind me as I was leaving. How do you equip the flare. All the hotbar stuff I saw was not working.
IDK if pest goes over it or not in the vid but from my personal experience there are ammo spawns on every bench outside. So any park bench has ammo spawns that can help out early on or can be really good money once you get flea. I made millions from selling m855 on the flea from the ammo spawns the first week of the wipe.
the table on the left at 18:56 almost always has morphine salewa or some kind of useful med item be it for a quest or otherwise, i was able to get my salewas and morphines for the tasks for this wipe from just that table so if you go to that office always make sure to check it!
How much ammo should I bring in if I'm trying to get scav kills using a pistol? 54 ok 18 in the gun ready to go and 1 spare mags/bullets. Or extra mag packed ready to go . Or maybe the one with extra bullets and I'll pack the one. Ty level one player here .
It has been said in the video but most people tend to forget that offline raids have shit loot. The loot in an online raid is far superior and much more plenty.
Keep up the good work. Great wipe, but I have noticed an increase in suspicious deaths. Still fun though! Plus I always ran wtihout headsets so I'm at an advantage now. GLHF
cheers from a rat that put the game down due to unoptimization a couple years ago; i've been putting off this map and just running Reserve but you can only get so much done without questing. Thanks for instilling confidence in your fellow PMC! o7
I died 2-3 times trying to go out Mira and thought I was getting camped . So pissed lol. Like 2 seconds to countdown and get clipped by the sniper lmao
I've got 500hrs in the game, primarily as a rat, but haven't played in 3 wipes. Came back this week, and I've never had so much trouble just running around a map. Doesn't seem to matter where I go, I run into a player within 2 minutes, every raid. I haven't looked up a map guide in years, but fuck me here I am I guess. Teach me, tarkov daddy, what to do on this map!
I've done a lot of offline runs of this map, can say, I've found a GPU in the kyshperski office computers. A question I have though is whether the Mira Ave. green flare will always spawn on the corpse regardless if it were looted by another who used the exfil?
Lost countless kits to Mira ave... countless.... was excited all day to play after everything i learned and ended up having one the single worst days ive ever had while playing this game in years. Never making that mistake ever again. Wasted 5 hours trying lmao been playing since 2018 bro no idea how to improve. If this game truly just comes down to whoever hears who first ig its not for me
Watched this vid a bunch, spent hours in offline trying to learn the map. I spawn into my first raid, forgot everything, and got shot in the back not even 10 seconds later by a player with 300+ hrs Is this typical?
Depends, on customs for example there are some specific cars with good spawns. I highly recommend having a map open on a second screen, stuff like that is normally marked on these.
Hated this map first couple times, after this guide, I've finished all the quests and it's become my go-to scav warm up map. Thanks for the awesome guide
bit confused on minimap; on 4:00 you're at Mira but that's not where the minimap has Mira marked...green dot seems accurate to me, but is the "Mira Exit" label misplaced? that seems to be where you say there are mines and such on 4:55
Very good video but also very annoyed for how this map is made and the fact that they changed the initial quests that could easily get people going for the first few levels without really risking a whole lot. I'm trying to get started again after years of not playing and it's barely playable. I guess it's also not the best time to be starting again idk, as always the game is very frustrating to learn
I wish I would have watched this before I tried this map I tried to extract through Mira but didnt know you had to move up a lil bit before using the flare😔🙄🤦
I don't know if anyone answered this yet or not, but I think I have the answer on the non lootable containers. What I believe is happening is all locations are shown for lootables, but not all are lootable because of the dynamic loot spawns. They may have messed it up in offline or kept it in so people can see where all of the spawns are.
There are 2 free safes that spawn loot able sometimes one around the bottom of double staircase at Mira ave spawn out front the building and one just passed the ags building on the right hand side before you reach nakatani
when i tried to use the mira flare extract it said cannot find a place for this item when i tried to equip the flare, struggled with that for about a minute than sniper scav killed me. lmfao rip my 2 starter quests i had done
noob question but how can i enable that map into the game? is there a way to do it as he has it in the video? Because in my overwolf only shows the map and not my location
8:55, there are also some weapon crates in the booth/room on the right, and valuables spawn on some of the outside tables. edit: 15:49, the workbench along the wall can spawn fully assembled guns. i've found a G36 there in the past.
As somebody who plays Ground Zero far more than they should, theres another way to do the drop at 6:45. On the left (if you're walking in from the staircase) there is glass that blocks you from walking on the railing, but some are missing. If you go up to the white wall that has no glass blocking it and vault over you can drop on a piece of metal that prevents you from breaking your legs.
The problem with scavving on this map is that very new players don’t always understand the fence rep system or it’s implications. That said, I’ve been on the wrong side of scav on scav action 3 times in the last day - twice on reserve, with a scav camping hole in the fence, and a scav war near CP fence. And once at construction site on Streets out of nowhere.
In the secret room that you have to breach in, there is a chance for a golden egg spawn on the skeleton hands. Cuz its an easter egg :D You can check it but its really noisy if you breach it. But a golden egg sells for 50k. Also near Mira exit, where Pestily said the area are mined, you can actually check the lonely building using the only the door. Never go to the right side of that small building you will blow up. Also checking the wine shop shelves for vodka is a good money maker. But a lot of dudes know this so take care. I usually use a slug ammo 153 shotgun to take care of them. Also after like 50-60 hours on this map i found out that goin in with a pistol at night is a very good idea.
damn Pest, thank you so much. I just started Tarkov again after almost a year and having a nice Guide to the new map helps out so much ^^ Thanks again, see ya around in your vids and stream ;)
I really liked this map, it was intuitive, the quests were decent and it had really solid loot. Also the spawns weren't absolute cancer. I would play this any day over Customs.
in the wacky bathroom with the spray paint on the wall i have seen some people i dont think its every raid but it hidden under that like trash by the toilet is a gold skull ring you have to like move around to find it
does anyone know if the mira extract can work for multiple people at the same time? if me and a buddy want to leave that way could we use just one flare and both of us run out?
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Great guide!
My first raid on G0 I went into that bathroom with the skeletons and found a Gold skull ring on one of the hands sticking out of the toilet. Every other time I went there there hasn't been anything though.
Pest, there are 3 safes you may not know about. They are generally only money safes, but occasionally spawn jewelry and horses.
One safe is always open, two are RNG.
The first safe is by the yellow Tartower's building. It is laying next to the bushes, directly in front of the entrance seen at timestamp 4:49. This building also has 2 computers, 1 possible duffle bag, and 3 possible tool boxes. Loose loot can spawn on the lobby table. Behind the red forklift to the left of the building is a large green pelican box.
The second safe (RNG) is around the side of Capital Insight. When you leave Capital Insight and head to Nakatani, you would take a right and hug the wall into a court yard. It's in front of two small stores called Giovanni Teducci and Budda Lounge, you can see them at time stamp 13:02.
The third safe (RNG) is near the hole in the interior wall of Empire building, when coming in from the main street. It is on it's back, next to the wall on the teller side of the building. You look directly at it at timestamp 14:50.
the arrogant prik never answers @@TabiTheCat
minimap with lines of sight is top tier editing
It really looks like it woulda been a lot of effort, huge props to the editor. Next time move the camera less and make it easier for them Pest!
I was thinking the same thing
THATS WHY HES THE GOOOAAATTT
Facts
Only improvement to it could be an arrow showing his direction. It's already great tho.
Felt determined to finish my quests and put on my best gear then ran straight into that claymore room from spawn
This really made my day 🤣🤣🤣 This is me usually 😮
Hey just wanted to offer in some feedback that the map that my friend Narpha added in the upper left with the little green dot in showing position is SUPER helpful for my brain. Being able to orient on the full map vs what you see in game really helps me. Thanks!
Bro just wanted everyone to know he knew the map editor
I’ve been getting camped so badly 😕at this point I dunno if I have the motivation to play I keep dying to people hiding and can’t complete my tasks because people camp the tasks.
A cheeky way to leave the terragroup building if you're either worried about people coming up the stairs while you're in the office or for some style points, vaulting out the window (you need to be on top of something like a desk or the couch Pestily showed for whatever reason) you can head towards the car extract on that balcony and theres a little roof with some big pillars next to it. You can sprint jump onto that roof and then onto the pillars, and as long as you dont mess up the jump you can get down that way without breaking your legs
I might have to check that out in an off-line raid and give it a go. Sounds useful
Ya run away coward
Might be good to pre-med as you get there, just in case you do break legs. 1-2 broken legs Happened to me more often than not…
Horrible map for beginners such as myself. Absolutely suck as this game. Spawns are just way to close. Die within 2 mins of spawning in.
I'm still doing those tasks and just keep getting killed more than any other map, pissing me off honestly
8:25 there's an incredibly rare gold spawn that can give you at least these 3 items, roller, gold skull and gp coin. I've not found any other gold spawn items so don't expect any absurd value but it does spawn.
I farmed this map as a new person to this game this wipe and have made over 40+ mil off this map. I scav it all the time
You missed alot of the weapon crates in this map ( just naming the ones you didn't). There's the one at 4:50 as well as a safe.
Theres 2 weapon box spawns near fusion building outside the front
2 weapon boxes in the room where you talked about getting food from ( one of top, one on bottom)
2 weapon boxes in the truck on the middle bridge/ramp by mira.
The first computers room you showed also has a weapon box spawn in that room more often than not
By nakatani near the dead pmc next to the vehicle there is a weapon box in the back of the truck.
Also by nakatani, the building with the ags/computers. That room with the long table you were saying doesn't have much there is a bitcoin spawn on the table there too.
And lastly that last key room you talked about there up to 3 weapon box spawns.
I also on average hit 4 grenade boxes and 3-4 ammo boxes PER raid. There is an insane amount of ammo and grenades ( ive got 5 full ammo boxes with like 6 stacks of m856a1 and a rig of all ammo and a full grenade box with over 25 impacts)
In Olive (food location) there can be 2 weapon crates upstairs.
In Tarbank, at the breach in the wall to the hallway there is another lootable safe.
@TheShadowFires yea I never mentioned the safe in tarbank I seem to never get anything out of these, so slipped my mind. Best was a horse in 100+ runs. Good call forgot about the second weapon box up there too
@@carsonkitt7651 Yeah, safes have adjusted loot too as it seems. Best I found was a horse as well.
This map has had the opposite of the intended effect. You have fully geared 10--14 level players camping the full 50 minutes for easy PMC kills. PMC kills shouldn't count on this map. New people will quit and never return.
DO NOT go to Mira from the tunnel. Other routes can be safe, but players consistently camp the area above the ramp waiting for PMCs to leave the tunnel area towards Mira.
I could not equip the flare and it never gave me an area so then I looked at the map guide and still could not equip it after trouble shooting came back to the game and someone came up behind me as I was leaving. How do you equip the flare. All the hotbar stuff I saw was not working.
IDK if pest goes over it or not in the vid but from my personal experience there are ammo spawns on every bench outside. So any park bench has ammo spawns that can help out early on or can be really good money once you get flea. I made millions from selling m855 on the flea from the ammo spawns the first week of the wipe.
You missed the weapon crate spawn to the left of the landmines, I found a tac vest, helmet, and M4, and flashlight attachment
the table on the left at 18:56 almost always has morphine salewa or some kind of useful med item be it for a quest or otherwise, i was able to get my salewas and morphines for the tasks for this wipe from just that table so if you go to that office always make sure to check it!
12:30 In that room is also a gold loot spawn. I have found a bitcoin and GP coin on that middle table!
How much ammo should I bring in if I'm trying to get scav kills using a pistol? 54 ok 18 in the gun ready to go and 1 spare mags/bullets. Or extra mag packed ready to go . Or maybe the one with extra bullets and I'll pack the one. Ty level one player here .
My first "learn the map videos" were from pestily. Many years later after a long break. Still using his videos. It's like a comfort blanket!
died to that claymore cause i got curious after killing a 4 man :') almost un installed the game...guess i should of watched the video first hahha
It has been said in the video but most people tend to forget that offline raids have shit loot.
The loot in an online raid is far superior and much more plenty.
Something to note. The gun workbench next to the lmg will spawm an M4 sometimes! Great video as always
i found a loaded g36 ar on that desk lol
This was made for me lol,level 1 player. Shooting cans almost done I need 3 more kills . I'm going scavs on ground zero for map knowledge
About to do this raid with another. Definitely won't steer him to the claymore room first.
GZ is perfect for starting out. It’s got all the loot you need for starting quests and hideout upgrades. Plus scavs will have MP133, and ToZes
I am legit stuck on finding 3 salewa lol Idk where to get em
Keep up the good work. Great wipe, but I have noticed an increase in suspicious deaths. Still fun though! Plus I always ran wtihout headsets so I'm at an advantage now. GLHF
Because cheating is rampant and the devs couldn't care less.
please do streets next thank you theses videos
Another tip for Mira Ave: if you unlocked Jäger you can buy Green Flare from him and bring that with you to makle sure you can get out there.
cheers from a rat that put the game down due to unoptimization a couple years ago; i've been putting off this map and just running Reserve but you can only get so much done without questing. Thanks for instilling confidence in your fellow PMC!
o7
Claymore sign actually says "Not Funny!"
Which is actually pretty funny.
I died 2-3 times trying to go out Mira and thought I was getting camped . So pissed lol. Like 2 seconds to countdown and get clipped by the sniper lmao
4:50 there also is a safe on the road you should loot
Also in the Tarbank at the breach in the wall there is another one.
noobie map with no actual noobies on it
welcome to another skate for taco video
8:26 i think welyn found a skull in this room in his latest video, but i might be misremembering it.
Me at level 29 with 3900 hours watching this guide 👀
I've got 500hrs in the game, primarily as a rat, but haven't played in 3 wipes. Came back this week, and I've never had so much trouble just running around a map. Doesn't seem to matter where I go, I run into a player within 2 minutes, every raid. I haven't looked up a map guide in years, but fuck me here I am I guess. Teach me, tarkov daddy, what to do on this map!
About the safes in empire key room and the one in the stairwell next to the body, are there any keys for them or are they just locked?
I've done a lot of offline runs of this map, can say, I've found a GPU in the kyshperski office computers.
A question I have though is whether the Mira Ave. green flare will always spawn on the corpse regardless if it were looted by another who used the exfil?
Lost countless kits to Mira ave... countless.... was excited all day to play after everything i learned and ended up having one the single worst days ive ever had while playing this game in years. Never making that mistake ever again. Wasted 5 hours trying lmao been playing since 2018 bro no idea how to improve. If this game truly just comes down to whoever hears who first ig its not for me
Watched this vid a bunch, spent hours in offline trying to learn the map. I spawn into my first raid, forgot everything, and got shot in the back not even 10 seconds later by a player with 300+ hrs
Is this typical?
Thanks for this Pestily. I'm completely new so this will help a lot. Is it ever worth opening car boots/trunks? Thanks
Depends, on customs for example there are some specific cars with good spawns. I highly recommend having a map open on a second screen, stuff like that is normally marked on these.
@@TheShadowFires Cheers, I'll have the map open on another screen.
Hated this map first couple times, after this guide, I've finished all the quests and it's become my go-to scav warm up map. Thanks for the awesome guide
Like a bird smacking the glass that is VERY HARD to see. My last two raids i died from smacking into the glass while trying to run from shots
Love the content and yes I absolutely needed this. With
bit confused on minimap; on 4:00 you're at Mira but that's not where the minimap has Mira marked...green dot seems accurate to me, but is the "Mira Exit" label misplaced? that seems to be where you say there are mines and such on 4:55
Very good video but also very annoyed for how this map is made and the fact that they changed the initial quests that could easily get people going for the first few levels without really risking a whole lot. I'm trying to get started again after years of not playing and it's barely playable. I guess it's also not the best time to be starting again idk, as always the game is very frustrating to learn
I wish I would have watched this before I tried this map I tried to extract through Mira but didnt know you had to move up a lil bit before using the flare😔🙄🤦
I don't know if anyone answered this yet or not, but I think I have the answer on the non lootable containers. What I believe is happening is all locations are shown for lootables, but not all are lootable because of the dynamic loot spawns. They may have messed it up in offline or kept it in so people can see where all of the spawns are.
My spartan kick doesn't work. Do I need to level up strength? Also, I cant equip the smoke grenade.
Most cancerous map in the entire game. I dreaded the day I would get The Guide and have to play it again after not touching it for 50 levels.
at 12:30 ive had good luck with that table spawning gold chains etc.
from my experience, some item doesnt spawn in ground zero, like awl for example. or maybe, its just my bad luck.
came for ground zero guide, left with an unwanted guide on how to scav
There are 2 free safes that spawn loot able sometimes one around the bottom of double staircase at Mira ave spawn out front the building and one just passed the ags building on the right hand side before you reach nakatani
Appreciate you solving my green flare mystery. I was starting to think I would never find one
when i tried to use the mira flare extract it said cannot find a place for this item when i tried to equip the flare, struggled with that for about a minute than sniper scav killed me. lmfao rip my 2 starter quests i had done
The Mira flare is there for Every player who checks the body. If you don’t use it and drop it, there won’t be another one there for you that raid.
found a bunch of loot then got sniped near that flare extract area, didn't get it, should've watched a tutorial first 😅
tried it good guide but ended up getting smoked by cheaters the whole time while struggling to have any idea where to go 1/10 game wont play again
noob question but how can i enable that map into the game? is there a way to do it as he has it in the video? Because in my overwolf only shows the map and not my location
Can I not toss a grenade into the room with the claymore ? I feel like an explosive might set off another explosive 🤔
8:55, there are also some weapon crates in the booth/room on the right, and valuables spawn on some of the outside tables.
edit: 15:49, the workbench along the wall can spawn fully assembled guns. i've found a G36 there in the past.
You need to redo ALL your other map guides as I started watching them and all of them are a bit different.
Its a good guide but I hate this map Im on the pve server and scavs and camping every extract in packs with ai pmcs
Pretty sure utility room is no longer breachable i tried in pve practice mode and my pmc kicked but it didn't open
I did find a bitcoin in capital insight where the big round table is, so check on the table and the side tables too they do spawn there
This map sucks ass for many reasons im beyond pissed off they changed the starting quests 😕
The reason some containers can’t be looted is because they introduced dynamic loot container spawns.
Theres sometimes a sniper that spawns on top of the fusion building. Is there a way to get there or nah?
hi mate just started playin tarkov n these guides help so much so thanks mate keep up the good work
can that claymore be blown up with a grenade? or dies it require a blood sacrifice?
Holy shit so tarkov has a tutorial map now?! Its been way too long since i played
just got into tarkov 2 days ago and im addicted. this is perfect
I found a bit coin on the table in that room on the second floor, the building where the AGS is
nobody will relate but when he said AGS i thought of runescape lol
2nd Wipe means im still new right?
3rd wipe still new right?
As somebody who plays Ground Zero far more than they should, theres another way to do the drop at 6:45. On the left (if you're walking in from the staircase) there is glass that blocks you from walking on the railing, but some are missing. If you go up to the white wall that has no glass blocking it and vault over you can drop on a piece of metal that prevents you from breaking your legs.
If they put out a $500 DLC with a minimap id buy two copies.
can you shoot the claymore?
Why is there a level cap for ground zero it’s my favorite map 😢
The problem with scavving on this map is that very new players don’t always understand the fence rep system or it’s implications.
That said, I’ve been on the wrong side of scav on scav action 3 times in the last day - twice on reserve, with a scav camping hole in the fence, and a scav war near CP fence. And once at construction site on Streets out of nowhere.
I wonder what he uses to have that little mini map on the top left corner or is that just editing
how did you get the map overlay? is it available in SPT?
There is nothing in there: Me casually finding GPUs :D
I found a red rebel on that dead scav in the med tent on the first day, I shit my pants
Is there a way to get rid of the claymore like tossin a grenade in the room?
In the secret room that you have to breach in, there is a chance for a golden egg spawn on the skeleton hands. Cuz its an easter egg :D You can check it but its really noisy if you breach it. But a golden egg sells for 50k. Also near Mira exit, where Pestily said the area are mined, you can actually check the lonely building using the only the door. Never go to the right side of that small building you will blow up. Also checking the wine shop shelves for vodka is a good money maker. But a lot of dudes know this so take care. I usually use a slug ammo 153 shotgun to take care of them. Also after like 50-60 hours on this map i found out that goin in with a pistol at night is a very good idea.
Great guide as always Pest, keep it up, cheers big fella.
Wait how did you get that minimap or is that just for the video
A small map with low fps....again. Poor loot, but a lot of action.
damn Pest, thank you so much. I just started Tarkov again after almost a year and having a nice Guide to the new map helps out so much ^^
Thanks again, see ya around in your vids and stream ;)
I really liked this map, it was intuitive, the quests were decent and it had really solid loot. Also the spawns weren't absolute cancer. I would play this any day over Customs.
Can you tell BFG to enable Linux support, please?
Just in time for me to hit level 20 :(
The flare is there 90 percent of the time it has t been there twice for me
Can you set the claymore off by throwing a nade ?
in the wacky bathroom with the spray paint on the wall i have seen some people i dont think its every raid but it hidden under that like trash by the toilet is a gold skull ring you have to like move around to find it
does anyone know if the mira extract can work for multiple people at the same time? if me and a buddy want to leave that way could we use just one flare and both of us run out?