Late Bloomer's Lament | Re.2005 “Sagittario”
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- The Italian Air Force is often credited with being far inferior in numbers and overall flight performance to the Allies. However, in 1943, they managed to put into service three excellent and modern fighters. These were the Fiat G.55, Macchi C.205, and the Reggiane Re.2005. However, these were introduced too late and in too few numbers to have any meaningful effect on the overall situation for the Italians. This was especially the case with the Re.2005, nicknamed Sagittario (Archer), which showed promising performance but less than 50 were built by the time of the Italian Armistice.
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This has to be one of the best looking WW2 fighters, those Italians sure are good at making beautiful machines.
I had the pleasure here in Italy some years ago to talk to a few of the pilots from the 22nd Gruppo. They had a few Re.2005 on hand. Each I spoke with did not fly it in combat but, just training flights around the airfield. They all told me that the 2005 was simply a beast and was a pure joy to fly. They would take turns every other day with one pilot getting a test hop around the airfield. They also told me that things would have been different if they 5 Series would have arrived earlier in the war. And I agreed with them.
One of the most beautiful planes ever made.
There is centauro my dude
It looks like it had a Spitfires wings, The Mk 9 Spitfire squadrons on Malta did loose a number of aircraft to the Sagittario it really was a pilots airplane.
@@englishpassport6590I actually am looking into those engagements, it seems that the Brit’s lost a Spit 9 to Capitano Giulio Torresi, while loosing two Re.2005s. Torresi would claim another spit as a probable, or at least damaged. Spits would also damaged 2 Re-2005s and the rest of them were unfortunately bombed and stranded on the ground. Would’ve been nice if one survived today
One can only imagine how lethal this fighter would be with a late war DB series engine... Anyway, this is in my opinion, the most beautiful fighter of the war, if only looks could kill.
If only looks could kill .
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But she is a beaut though !
If italians would had just focused on their first modern monoplane Macchi c.202 and c.205, things would've turned better for them.
The policy of making every Italian business men in aviation sector happy because of their political connections & fundings doomed the whole war progress.
That was an issue in every facet of the Italian military.
Beautiful. I love the name too.. Sagittario
REGIA AERONAUTICA:The Italian Air Force had in 1940: 1300 medium bomber ,1160 fighter aircaftt, 500 recoinassence aircraft .It had very good warfighters like Macchi 202 and Macchi 205,Fiat G 55 and the Reggiane RE 2005 (maybe the most beautiful airplane of the WW2) .Italy built from (1940 to 1943) 11508 airplanes(always less in comparison with the othern nations). Only the fourth squadron destroyed 585 airplanes plus 215 probably .The SM 79 was an amazing medium bomber ,very effcient as torpedo bomber ,infact sinked a lot of military ships (Fearless ,Bedouin ,Nestor ,Foresight,Pozarica ecc).The sum of the official ranking of the(only) flying aces is of 1225 shooting down aircrafts.(The highest is Franco Lucchini with 26).
All three types with DB.605 (Fiat G.55, Macchi C.205, Reggiane Re.2005) were excellent fighters, simply in par with the late war Allied fighters. As the history shows, they were too few, too late... for the fortune of the Allied pilots.
The Fiat G.56 with the DB 603 was an even greater jump forward. Maximum speed of 440 MPH, with excellent handling and agility at all altitudes. It was so good the Luftwaffe forbade its manufacture by the Social Republic. It could have been a game-changer for the Germans but Goring wouldn't sign off on it as a frontline fighter because it wasn't German, as well as the man-hours needed, though it could be reduced to 9000 man hours from 15000. Stupid decision, by March 1944 the Germans had the industrial capacity to build them in large numbers. It is thought he preferred the Ta-152 which had similar speed but was far less agile, and was plagued with problems which prevented its mass production. One wonders what damage could have been done had the Luftwaffe produced 5000 G.56s.
I think it wasnt because the G.56 was not a german design, producing a new fighterdesign would interupt the Fighter Production , this is also the reason why they produced the (outclassed) 109 until the end
I forgot on what website (ww2aircraft, secretprojects, axishistory etc) I've read the transcript of a meeting with Goring in 1943 following the tests of the Italian aircrafts but what I remember of the content is that he very impressed and hoped they could start helping them mass produce the G.55 and G.56. He praised the Italians as great aircraft designers but struggling to produce said masterpieces in numbers.
The whole reason this went nowhere was the collapse of Italy and the time it would take to set up new production lines solely my themselves. The G.55 would take 15000 hours to build while a Bf 109, 5000. And as for the Ta 152 comparison, the Ta 152 was a compromise aircraft, using as many common parts with the FW 190D, as the RLM could not afford to build the more different Ta 153 that Tank favored.
The Allies for sure would have had big problems if all the top Nazis weren't drug addled paranoid messes
Italian industrial power was not at the level of the one of Allied countries. Beautiful projects but no organized production, and outnumbered by its enemies forces.
I would suggest also the Macchi 202 Folgore and 205 Veltro and Fiat G 55 for some videos of Yours to come.
Thanks a lot for this video!
This aircraft was at least the equal of the P51 when it first appeared. The Italian government was unable to make up its mind at first, because the other two options had fewer teething problems. Development time was lost trying to fix the problems with the landing gear and the vibration of the fuselage. They never had the time to mass produce their new designs before the Allied Invasion of Sicily.
Good article on a little known but beautiful fighter
The Reggiane have an extraordinary history: they built aircraft from 1936 to 1943. In 7 years, starting from scratch, they came to produce the Re.2005, which, with some refinements, could have been the best fighter of the time.
Inferior to the MC205 but better than the G55 ?
I do believe you have that backwards !
It's absolutely beautiful. Imo it is the best prop plane in warthunder definitely the most fun.
Hi! Very cool video, learned a lot as i don't know much about Reggiane fighters. However, please stop using this camera shake effect on photos. A fixed image or a very slight side slide effect is much preferred IMHO. Thanks !
1:00 12 THOUSAND Horsepower! Dayum you would think that would be enough. Who needs jets?
Probably had to make the entire plane out of cast iron A. To handle the power and B. To prevent the plane from achieving orbit
Did the Torpedo version of the G.55 ever see service?
It appears in my book and looks amazingly cool. Great video 😃
They really could have used that capability in the North African theatre.
@1:00 A 12,200 HP engine!!!!!! My gawd what a beast! Oh wait, that would be Fiat HP "at the Brochure" . closer to 2,200... carry on
I am guessing that was a 1200 horsepower A38 engine although 12200 would be something to marvel at, probably why they were attaching contra rotating props like the 15000shp Klimov engines from the TU95.
12,200hp? that number doesn't sound reasonable to me. Do you mean 1,200?
2,200
My uncle when in Africa ww2 told me as a truck driver he never got shot up in43 as he always show allied aircraft being shot down in dogfights with these planes like butterflies flying around …
A real ferrari of the air
Another one of the most beautiful and effective Italian fighters in WWII....TOO FEW AND TOO LATE....SADLY IT CAME OUT WHEN THE THE OTHER COUNTRIES ALREADY ADVANCED AIRCRAFT ALREADY IN LARGE NUMBERS....THEY LOOKED LIKE THE FINEST RACE HORSES GRACEFUL AND ELEGANT.....
I can only add that the 580 lt capability is wrong, they had about 536 lt (2x160 + 2x108 l, all in the wings). And despite the provisions, no Re.2005 was ever fitted with external tanks.
Always wondered how development of this would have really been.
Macchi's fighters suffered from high constrution costs due to overly complicated structure.
Thanks for sharing your hard work.
12,000 hp? Nay, nay!
Great video 🎉🎉❤
This is a bit off-topic, but why did Italian aircraft manufacturers Fiat, Macchi and Reggiane have such similar external designs? For example: Fiat G.55, Macchi C.205, and the Reggiane Re.2005.
Re2005 is a beautiful aircraft that was just too late. Supposedly, there was an effort to sell aome to Sweden, who already operated the Re2000 with engines supplied by Germany but the Germana rwfused to supply them.
Berlin was on the eastern front so that was sort of saying they was used at A or A.
Would love to build a replica .
Wait, y'all make planes too ?? I'm all in for this :D
12.7mm is 50 caliber not 45
I saw the 1:48 Special Hobby kit box art.
12.7 mm is .5 inch not .45 inch
Needs a bubble canopy of course.
After watching a video about how crappy the Hawker Typhoon was, with one of the reasons being given that it lacked rearward visibility due to the back half of the canopy being metal, it's surprising that all three of these planes are considered to be "good" despite having the same problem. It would have been relatively easy to fix if the Italians weren't already beaten and forced to surrender. The P-47 and P-51 initially had the same flaw and were both fixed without too much trouble.
@@jamesdalton2014Actually the rear view in the Italian planes was not bad. Very simply, the hunch behind the pilot's seat was narrower than the canopy and the pilot could look back from the split between canopy and fuselage
And you had a built kit. Noice.
1:00 12,200 HP, that's one impressive engine 😅
12 thousand horsepower? Really?
12,000hp engine? Really.
Interesting information on this great plane. The narrator didn't do a good job on the Italian pronunciation tho. And 12,200 horsepower? That seems a pretty obvious mistake.
If you’re gonna do text to speech, make sure to check for typos and listen to it before you post…
Not using AI narrators.
@@PlaneEncyclopediaYT So nobody caught the "12,200 hp engine" at 0:58? Or nobody there knows at 3:06 that 12.7 mm isn't 0.45 inches?
I didn't think this was an AI narration. Haven't come across one that can slip in numeric terms in Italian. 😁
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Hey, @tyrannojorisrex535 thanks for watching and for the feedback. I'm the narrator for this video. It does sting a bit that so many people are inclined to assume that my voice isn't real, but I am happy to see so many people engaging nevertheless.
I did misspeak "1,200" as "12,200," and I'm kicking myself for not catching that error. In the original recording, however, there was a more prominent concern that perhaps distracted our quality control. Namely, the original script mistakenly had the pronunciation guide in Serbian instead of Italian.
I put together a short blooper reel of my struggles in that initial recording: th-cam.com/users/shortsEIbpYQXk4P0?si=Za39IRRt4QTNXyvG
12000 hp???
@1:00 "12,200 hp" he says
The famous re
The next planethat should menrioned is "veltro"translatedgreyhound.
Sad that the country that gave us Ferrari and Maserati couldn't produce a high powered aero engine.
Sadly in that time there was only FIAT capable of producing plane engines
@@riccardomariani9648 If you think about it.. there were all those Schneider Cup racers in Italian Red in the mid-1930s...
None of those even have 1000 hp...
@@TyrannoJoris_Rex Seriously? They were competing against the likes of the Supermarine racers, and had to make 350mph plus on the deck, with the added drag of floats...
@@iskandartaib Talking about the cars
Ironic how the once warefare superior Italians had to ask the barbarian Germans for advanced engines 😂
This was cool, but I stopped watching it early because of how many “RE- two- oh-oh-five”s I heard omg
George Takei is going to sue whoever used his voice to seed this AI narrator….
Not using AI narrators.
Does my blooper reel lend authenticity to my voice?
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George Takei !!!!!!!!!!!!
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Well it’s really not that funny ‘cause we’re showing our age !
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Twelve thousand two hundred horsepower? When I hear something so obviously inaccurate ( impossible) in the first moments of a vid, it calls into question the validity of everything that follows, rendering it a waste of time. But that's just me. Enjoy.
Quit jumping around. Your video not very good
That's not a very good AI narrator voice. Try something less cartoonish maybe...
Cartoonish feels a bit harsh, friend. My voice is definitely real, though.
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only cartoon voices can say the italians made a 12,000 horsepower radial engine and get away with it though
Spitfire lookalike copycats
Fiat has made some of the WORST engines in history! Look at what they've done to the Jeep and Chrysler name in the States here. Garbage, garbage, garbadge.... The Yugo engine. Didn't last for 50,000 miles before needed a complete overhaul! Now the Navy is buying Italian Corvette boats.. OMG what is the U.S. Navy thinking!
Jeep and Chrysler were shit well before Fiat took over. Why do you think they got absorbed by Fiat in the first place? Hell, the '73 Oil Crisis only put on full display how dogshit American cars are...
They’ve also made some of the best !
It's not corvette, it's frigates, check out the freem. Anyway, a very ignorant comment.
Quit crying. That's because you can afford only rubbish cars. Low budget and you get what you get. Alfa romeo is very reliable and elegant, Fiat is sturdy and cheap. Lancia,Ferrari, Lamborghini, Maserati,Zonda. Work harder mate and get yourself a proper set of wheels.
@@borgoz23 1. Work harder at what?
2. Why would I buy a car that costs as much as I can get a house for?
3. Those little Italian cars are fragile and maintenance-heavy, and if somebody crashes me in one, I'm gonna get crushed inside...