I saw this last night and when the ending hit, somebody said “Huh?!” out loud in the middle of the theater and I feel like that sums up the whole movie.
it’s so strange to me that olivia wylde talked so highly of the sex scenes in this movie and how there are “no good sex scenes about womens pleasure”, in like every press conference she did.. but then the movie is about the control and power of patriarchy and a man being in control of a woman… they tried way too hard to make it a feminist think piece, but it really just seems like a wattpad fan fiction about harry styles to me 😅
its so weird to see it as a feminist think piece considering all of the women were 2D except from alice. i think it would’ve been better if they condensed the film and alice spent the second half of it freeing all the women who were trapped in that simulation or something
From someone who has just seen it: We’ve seen this done in more subversive and nuanced and entertaining ways like with Rosemary’s Baby and the original Stepford Wives. And those movies are decades old. Hell, throw some Truman Show and The Handmaid’s Tale in there. It has good moments (especially in the first half), but it feels very nuance-less, reductive and non ironically “white feminist.” Taken as a straightforward thriller, it’s just decent nothing more. But as some type of social commentary or something meant to be “groundbreaking” or a feminist manifesto, it’s pretty hallow and cliched.
@@goopedukps or they could have gone deeper into the reasons women would actively choose that situation. Or the different reasons the men were taking part. Bunny was the “client” but the set up is that she stays while her husband leaves every day…… so how did that conversation work? How did she come across victory? How does her husband feel about it? Is this out of love for his wife and dead children that he doesn’t get to stay with? All while under the control of Frank who seemingly has evil intend even beyond jack…. Franks wife is seemingly even worse as she seeks to take over the whole thing. What’s her motives. Honestly the story would have been better as a mini series of some kind. Instead it feels rushed where it didn’t need to be
@@liteflightify what’s sad is that the parts were there to actually say something but those things were ignored by everyone. Bunny was prime material. She chose to be there….. interesting. So her husband is a slave in the real world to keep up his wife’s delusions. There’s something to explore and compare to Alice. Franks wife seems to actually be the mastermind behind this and not actually Frank. Something to explore. But she’s ignored as well. Sad let down. It’s like Wilde took something and widdled it down to her own biased views and it’s kind of hilarious.
Honestly the tea in the movie is how Wilde spoke about the sex scenes being all about women’s pleasure and in the end turns out Pugh’s character has been forced into a simulation by her husband, the one she’s having “sex” with
Yeah that was so confusing, like she directed it so she knew what was up with those scenes, that it was going to be revealed to have been non consensual...so that's weird and icky. It's not really empowering anyone
Kiki Layne (who plays Margaret) recently came out saying that most of her scenes and her husband's (who also plays in the movie as her husband) got cut. I read the original script and a lot of scenes that included her would've made more sense since she's a pivotal character to the plot. There's a lot of discussion now about that, cause they were also rumours in the beginning of filming about Olivia not hiring BIPOC because it didn't match "the aesthetics of the movie". Kiki wasn't even on the poster nor at the premiere too...
Kendall saying This movie certainly was one at 08:47 was like Harry saying that his favourite thing about the movie was that it felt like a movie and I don't know if it was intentional or not, but it's hilarious.
I actually get what he means. The last big movie he was in was Christopher Nolan's Dunkirk. That movie was more like an experiment in medium and experience rather than a cinematic film.
You want some messy tea? My ex husband had an affair, and I ended up having a serious allergic reaction when I was in the hospital (I have Endometriosis and Cyclic vomiting syndrome that flare up at the same time, so it was a regular visit) and I ended up dying, then being in a coma for 2 weeks before I wokeup. During that whole time, my ex never even answered the hospitals calls, so the hospital ended up calling my mom when I had been in acoma for about a week, and she had to fly across the country to come be with me. When I got out of the hospital, I found out my ex had his gf in my condo the whole time, and she stole some of my clothes including underwear, and a brush, and apparently she stole those items to do some sort of "spell" on me. Hopefully that's messy enough for ya, haha idk if I have anything messier that's happened to me. And ive been kidnapped. 😶
I’VE GOT THE TEA! I heard it from a friend who is a film director’s assistant and generally someone in the know about all things Hollywood. Apparently Florence had to direct a lot of the film herself, which REALLY pissed her off, presumably particularly as she has received no credit. She was unimpressed with the work culture on set and found Olivia inadequate as a director. I’m not sure whether she had to direct because Olivia was absent and spending time with Harry, or whether she simply wasn’t up to the task, but either way, Florence was clearly overworked and very under appreciated. I would also find this frustrating if my director couldn’t do their job properly and was swanning about with the male lead and being generally unprofessional. I’ve heard elsewhere that Florence earned a lot less than Harry. If this is true, paired with the fact that she did half of Olivia’s job too, I’m not remotely surprised that she’s angry and unwilling to participate in the film promo any more than the bare minimum. It is particularly galling that Olivia paints herself as someone who champions women in Hollywood if her main female lead was overworked and paid less than the male, who happens to be her boyfriend!!!
literally everything you said is false information... while it's not even believable??? florence didn't direct shit nor was she fucking paid less 😭 y'all seriously are like sheep and just believe all the bs media says cause it makes people talk
40 ppl who worked on the set have NAMED themselves publicly and their job description to out this bullshit by “anonymous source” and say Olivia is great As for the pay, again an anonymous source which was immediately discredited by Olivia herself
@@VincentA824 I just want to clarify what you're saying. 40 people from the movie have come out publicly saying that the rumors of Olivia Wilde ducking out of work to presumably be with Harry are incorrect, right? They're saying she was a good director and that Florence did not direct half the movie?
Tbh with all we know about this situation from how the cast has been acting, this makes a lot of sense, especially if Wilde was off Y.N-ing with Harry the whole shoot. I know from experience how awkward it can be for a group of people to have to witness a couple in the group be very PDA-y and sneaking around all the time, so imagining that dynamic with a whole film crew/cast? Oof.
Olivia wilde said in an interview that she fired Shia to "protect Florence" and then he released a video of her trying to convince him to came back saying things like miss flo needs a "wake up call". That's why people started calling her out. And about the custody papers it's really not in his hands and apparently those people were trying to get in touch with her for over a week with no response from her so they had no choice but to serve her at the cinema con.
Yeah, despite him being an awful person, I can understand him feeling some type of way if his boss was telling everyone that he was fired when he left the project himself. That could hinder future job prospects. He also admitted to not getting along with FP, not the other stuff she said about his behavior on- set. He's known for having a temper, so I wouldn't be surprised if he was difficult to work with. But not knowing anything about the abuse allegation, I think he was in the right to speak out against OW.
Yeah, I work in the legal field. & although, we can give the process server various addresses to find the person, a good process server will find them on their own & they certainly won't call us to make sure it's okay before serving the person anywhere. That's what we hired them for. That being said, I have worked at places where we usually do give them specific instructions not to serve people at work even if they can find them there, but we're in the business. Maybe Olivia's ex didn't think that far into it & yes, very possible he didn't know.
When my mom filed for divorce, she pleaded with the process server not to serve my dad at a certain time, but he ignored her and did it at that time anyway. I actually do believe Jason Sudeikis likely didn't know or have a say in when the custody papers were going to be served.
Yeaaaa I was about to write this - I know very little about Jason Sudekis but people have no control over when and where the process server serves the papers to the other person. They can also get irritated if someone keeps dodging them and then end up serving them at an inappropriate time.
@@kmhkennedy I thought the same, I think she’d already been served and got someone to bring them up the stage for clout. Ain’t no way they gone let some random man come up and hand her something whilst she’s mid speech. I’m so tired of her and her constant clout chasing. The whole Harry relationship is fake too. It’s all PR for the movie. That man likes men, he always looks so uncomfortable around her.
yes exactly. would love to see a video discussing how Olivia and Florence represent two perspective on feminism, and what it says more broadly about our society
Where’s that principal from Billy Madison? “Mrs Wilde, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.”
My boyfriend said as we walked out of the theater “The worst part about the movie is the controversy surrounding it is more entertaining than the actual movie” 😂
Small aside: as far as FKA Twigs "allegations" - Shia's response was to admit it, I hope people know. He admitted it. He said she was right and truthful about her statements. I say this with a twinge of frustration because I do not follow this man as a topic and hadn't since Twigs spoke her truth and he confirmed he was physically and sexually abusive to her - yet for some reason youtube stories keep showing me podcast clips with him very much in a redemption-arc-light and it's making me sick lmaoooooo
Exactly. People are like really willing to give abusive people chance after chance and redemption over or for their victims without their permission. Cough cough Amber Heard and shia.
@@bethanychatman9531 Amber was an abuse victim with years of evidence that anyone who looks outside of 5 second tiktok clips making fun of abuse knows, are you fucking stupid
Yes I really dont understand why Olivia Wilde would hire him after what FKA Twigs said about him. He is horrorible and the Twigs-thing is not the only "allegation" against him in the last years, he really shouldnt be hired anywhere.
The controversy surrounding this movie seems to have overshadowed the actual film. I've heard that Florence and Chris give decent performances, so I might watch for them alone.
it seems like a forgettable movie, speaking as someone whose first exposure to the movie is kennie'a video. If the movie isn't exceptional one way or another, then theres not a whole lot to talk about. No one really cares about a movie that is competent at best and a pass at worst. If the movie isnt going to provide anything especially compelling or unique, the media is going to try to make a story out of a non story. thats just their job, even if it is a silly thing to do.
And the hits keep coming! Kiki Layne and Ari'el Stachel have posted on social media after pretty much all their scenes were cut, making the one black woman a one-note device for the white lead, AFTER how in February 2021, Wilde said "[Kiki] has one of the most challenging roles in the film. A woman embodying completely opposite ends of the emotional spectrum. I'm blown away by her ability to be so vulnerable in one scene & playful the next. Kiki Layne is clearly a movie star." (It's not all bad news, as Layne and Stachel began dating during the filming of Don't Worry Darling and are still happily dating; Kiki's post ends with"#GotMyCheck #GotMyMan #EverythingHappensforaReason")
Vulture recently ran an article how Olivia and Florence had a screaming match on set and Olivia told others to be responsible while she went to a wedding with Harry with tons of people. Florence has asthma. So it pissed her off and others on set. This movie was being filmed during the height of covid.
Jason saying he had nothing to do with the serving papers thing i personally believe, only because I've seen a guy on tiktok who used to have that job and he told stories of how they would find the most fun/ridiculous ways to serve papers to people
The husband twist/reveal made the casting make even more sense in my opinion. Taking a man who women idolize and turning him into an incel lord is kinda genius imo.
well Florence Pugh is slated to be in Dune Part Two as one of the main characters so it may be true she has a lot on her plate cause that's a HUGE movie
Hello wonderful people! As per the video, I wanted to make a post so that I could get a bit more of a concise understanding of the drama and make any redactions if necessary. This list is ongoing~ 1. 12:49 Hearing a bit of mixed reactions to the concept of Sudeikis knowing about the papers being served on stage. So for the time being, I will make an addendum about Sudeikis and give him the benefit of the doubt around that (lol im sure he cares). I will say that Wilde being issued the papers ON STAGE in the middle of presenting her movie does seem quite pointed and purposeful. Maybe it's bad timing. Maybe someone wanted to make Wilde look foolish. But something just don't smell right to me, I'm sorry. 2. 14:12 A lot of different accounts on the Shia video. As I understand it, the issue was that it would seem that Shia was asked back to the movie after Olivia presented herself as someone who protects her actresses. I could see this going two ways. A) she is lying about being a supportive feminist while hiring abusers (assuming she was aware) or B) she tried to make the cast work together and when they couldn't she chose Flo over Shia Labeouf. Considering, Florence hasn't said anything about what was the issue with Shia specifically ( as far as I know) I don't think I have enough information to make a call on that until someone speaks on it directly and actually confirms the bad blood on set. 2B. There are also people saying here was NO animosity between Flo and Shia. Idk man I'm even more confused then omg. 3. Apparently there are reports, as of yesterday Sept 23, that there were arguments on set between Pugh and Wilde because Wilde would disappear with Harry while on set. This is closer to tea. Thank you reporters. (Edit) It would seem this has lead to cheating allegations and/or Wilde being unprofessional and leaving Pugh to do her job while she went off with Harry. Again, this is closer to tea!
Court documents leaked showing Jason chose not to serve Olivia at her house or at school and waited six months to serve her then chose to do it at Cinemacon, he chose to do it and he knew
@@thetruth830 that’s not how serving works, you can’t choose where and when a process server serves PLUS it’s absolutely normal to serve people at work. Claiming otherwise is ignorant at best.
@@biguattipoptropica you absolutely can. also at cinemacon? do you know how hard it is to get into cinemacon…. they’d have to pay a fine, which Jason would pay for
Another hot tea I read about (at least in German gossip magazines) is that it seemed weirdly odd to many people that Florence and her long-term boyfriend have suddenly and quietly broken up a few months ago, while she was still filming the movie. Rumors started going around that she developed a crush on Harry and thus broke up with her bf, and that now her and Olivia are kind of fighting over him. Now THAT'S MESSYYYY if you ask me 👀
As someone who has had a person served with papers, once you choose to have someone else do the serving it's out of your hands. They basically find out where you are and serve you. Some people show restraint and others don't care where you are when they hand you those papers.
I want to notify folks that Jason Sudekis DO NOT HAVE ANY SAY when custody papers are delivered. Court papers like divorce papers and custody papers are left to the discretion of the person who serve the papers and they have to serve the papers to the recipient ASAP. The reason Olivia was served papers at the con was because she was not making herself available anywhere else for the server to serve them, which is understandable when she would be jetsetting all over the place to promote her movie. So yeah, Jason had nothing to do with that. That just court system stuff. EDIT: I want to say that I am no fan of Sudekis, I am just someone familiar with court procedures.
unrelated but the way you wrote "Jason Sudekis DO NOT HAVE ANY SAY when custody papers are delivered" makes it sound like "Jason Sudekis" is plural and this is a thing specific to people with that name and that's hilarious for some reason XD
Yeah, I can also confirm that people who serve papers just try to do it when they can guarantee that the person will be in a certain place so they don't waste their time, because they are legally required to physically hand the documents to that person and see that they receive them. They can't just leave them in her mailbox or taped to a door, so if they weren't having any luck finding her at home or other places, the next logical step would be to research what events she had coming up.
florence and chris carried this movie. also, when i watched this in theatres people laughed at a lot of harry’s scenes… LOUDLY. i love harry, but he should definitely stick to music.
In fairness to Jason Sudeikis, my friend is a process server and it’s literally left up to them. They get the person’s name and address, but the when, where and how a person is served is left completely up to the server. They typically only notify that the person has or hasn’t been served. We only heard about this because they did it so publicly.
Just two things i don't necessarily agree with you on: 1. The whole drama of Wilde releasing a statement that she was the one who fired Lebouf when it was him who quit is extremely problematic. It's not just catching her in a lie. In the video that Shia released it can be seen how she is blaming Pugh for their working relationship not going smooth. Literally points out 'if ms. flo was more mature...we could work this out' etc. Firstly, not only are you siding with an abuser which probably your lead female artist expressed her discomfort against..you are also selling her out to the said abuser. Secondly, you are then suddenly climbing on the moral high ground by acting righteous that you were the one who fired him for his toxicity when in fact you were quite literally begging for him to come back. 2. Jason or anyone in a legal battle for that matter have nothing to do with when or how custody papers are served..period
Yeah I was gonna say like when someone gets served papers there’s not really scheduling of that. The process server serves wherever they can get ahold of the person. Getting served at work is common.
Just to add 3) Kennies❤️ chronology is wrong. Shias tendency towards violence was well-known long before 2019. He has publicly confirmed a fist fight with Tom Hardy on a set. He is known to employ method acting to the extreme including yanking out a tooth and not bathing for the film Fury. He has been arrested multiple times and is on video leaving his girlfriend/now wife In the middle of the street at night while saying that he needs to get away from her before he hits her. Olivia had no business hiring this man to begin with. 4) it is now confirmed that the reason Flo would not do promo is because she and her director had a huge blow out on the set. A blowout reportedly triggered by Olivia fraternising with Harry to Florence detriment as the actress doing the heavy lifting. It was mediated by the head of the studio. The publication reporting this is reliable (Vulture). And we know some of this must be true because the studio did not forcing Florence to her contractual terms for promotion. She attended only one event and did no interviews 5) Olivia had no business discussing the exit of an actor. I have never seen a director and discuss firing an actor who wasn’t part of the franchise. Nobody needs to know an actor left, if they’ve never seen the actor in the role in the first place. 6) Olivia had no business discussing complaints made to her by her actress about Shia with the general public. IF Olivia’s story is correct then this is Florence’s story to tell. But we have seen text messages between Shia and Florence Showing that the issue was always to do with rehearsal scheduling. I think their processes are just very different, She saves it for the camera and he wants to go over it before filming. Summary - Olivia has a very performative brand of feminism And it involves throwing even her star under the bus in order to look like a big hero. But meanwhile she’s doing all the sketchy things that people want male directors to stop doing i.e. hitting on or sleeping with cast members under your watch
@@jakestroll6518 Shia was perfect for the role of Jack. He’s a method actor yes however the character of Jack doesn’t hurt Alice until he sedated her. And then when he tries to suffocate hug her in the end so Shia being violent while in the role wouldn’t have really been an issue. And now that things have come out I’m certain it never was the issue. And Florence seemingly had no issues or fears. It’s Wilde doing some fishy stuff behind scenes.
Okay so the tea 🫖 for me is mostly Olivia Wilde’s messiness with Harry on set while still being in a relationship with Jason. I don’t care about her or Harry or even Florence (though she ate at the red carpet). While she was filming she was still in a relationship with Jason WHILE filming the movie. They were highly inappropriate with each other and everyone on set noticed that. And Jason was bringing their kids around the set not knowing she was being messy. So there is that. Side note: There was no intimacy coordinator on set which is highly upsetting considering that the director is directing her own partner in a love scene. Intimacy coordinators basically make sure everyone is comfortable with what they are doing and dictate what is going too far. And since she was marketing the film more towards sexiness and the female gaze, it became even more inappropriate since that wasn’t the focus, which of course you mentioned about Florence. I think Harry also got paid more than her which is like….ma’am
And it was supposed to be about women?! Well! I guess she thought because she’s a woman director that would be enough. Maybe Florence said no, but as a good director you really need to think that through. As for Harry. Lol, he definitely slept with her to get the role. And she is using her power as a woman and director to ensure he was the lead not Florence. Crazy.
none of this is confirmed tho what she said is that they broke things off before and jason didn't say anything about that, all this is just rumors, and even if she did cheat people's reaction is disproportionate to the action male directors cheat and sleep with their leed all the time and people don't focus on it at all . the being paid more is proven to be a lie that came out of nowhere,
"female gaze" doesnt exist so write that one down first valid critiques but ppl use that term a lot not realizing the female gaze does not exist bc we are NOT in a female dominated society the male gaze exists bc society is male dominated
According to her though she and Jason split up privately early pandemic, so months earlier, and they were just living together for the kids and coparenting at the time the movie was being made. None of us really know but them.🤷♀
The plot twist wasn’t a plot twist at all because I’ve seen Wandavision before. As soon as the black woman said something along the lines of “why can’t we leave?” And Florence Pugh finding out that the eggs in the carton were fake, I instantly thought that it was going to be like Wandavision. The movie wasn’t as bad as I was expecting, it was very scary for me bc I’m sensitive to horror movies and I enjoyed the chase scene at the end. Everyone in the cinema laughed whenever Harry styles was shouting or upset which was kind of funny.
I literally watched WandaVision this year. I also watched a movie on Netflix that was kind of similar-ish. The plot would have been interesting if it was not done before and went down such a predictable path.
I’ve never seen Wanda vision or I came in thinking it was step ford wife type of ending but it was different which was a twist for me and my pre-conceived notion and I’m not a film critic by any means but I enjoyed the movie, I thought the acting was good, I thought the idea was interesting, and I liked the visuals of the dancers and the eyes. I’m not saying it was perfect but It was a solid movie. I’m still trying to figure out what the plan was. Was the plan her trying to wake herself up, why was it the same as the little boys toy. I thought it was a nice date night movie, and I’ve seen so many worse movies than this and the score it got on rotten tomato seemed uneven to other things they scored the same.
Have you ever seen "The Truman Show"? It's older than both of these films and it's has the same plot. I knew how it was gonna go as soon as I saw the trailer.
I hate that Florence plays a SURGEON. That makes zero sense, she's only 26 and in real life would only have JUST finished med school. A "successful surgeon" implies someone in their mid-30s at the *earliest,* early-40s most likely lol
I thought the same. But also Harry Styles is playing a character older than him so it can be the case with Florence too. I can believe a 29 year old is a surgeon in a movie because plot reasons lmao
But not only that, if she is a successful surgeon, you'd think that the hospital she works for would reach out and ask where she's been. Nobody looked for this woman? Her job is literally a matter of life and death!
My uncle was a lawyer and he says there is almost no way Jason Sudeikis would’ve been able to request the time and place that they serve Olivia except in a very indirect sense. That is to say, he might have been able to convince someone not to do it in front of his kids, which could’ve indirectly made it harder for them to serve find a time and place to serve her. If she had been avoiding them and hiding behind her kids they might have felt forced to take extreme measures like track her down at a public appearance.
a little thing that helps to know about j.s. serving o.w., from a child of divorce who was HEAVILY involved in her own parent's debacle: whenever you try to respond or to serve someone, the sheriff, company, or whatever gives you a form asking for the person's home and work address and hours they will be in each place. they will ALWAYS try the home a couple of times, but if they can't, they will go to the person's work. although, i don't know what company j.s. was using and how they go about. also, o.w. has been heavily criticized for being an absentee mother because she's been with h.s. on tour. and while i'm not saying that isn't wrong, the energy they give her should be equal to that of absentee fathers.
Yeah I don’t fall for Olivia Wilde is an absentee mom OW is an unprofessional on set because HS fans literally have been saying that for a year because they don’t like when she shows up at concerts. HS fans are literally the devil they will not leave any woman seen with him ALONE
@@ashleysmith746 This reeks of k-pop idol stans going “But someone on instagram said oppa is innocent so he’s innocent!” like at the end of the day officials aren’t going to do something for the drama of it. It’ll get them into unnecessary trouble if the other side was legitimately available.
To be fair about the serving of papers, if a company was hired they really just try to get to people anyway they can. If it’s been difficult otherwise and they know that the person they are serving is at a public event, the server will get papers in the person’s hand by any means necessary. Though you’d think there was a ‘not on stage’ option.
Yup was gonna say the same thing. If a person has to be served in such a public manner it's usually because the person has dodged it and has made it difficult to get in contact with. I knew someone who got served at a wedding. So like these companies will find a way
In my opinion, bosses shouldn’t date their employees. It just opens the door to easy power imbalance and bias. It reeks of unprofessionalism. The timing of it all is sus.
Thank you! If we were taking about a male director dating a younger actor employed in his set, we would have seen this as a problem. Don’t know why Kennie didn’t comment on this.
People get served at work all the damn time. Olivia straight up lied about how that works, too, because the person serving the papers has no control over how or when they get served. She's also showing that, at best, she's extremely sheltered and privileged because almost every person I know of that's been served has been served at work. And at worst, she accidentally admitted she's the problem, because the people doing the serving try to make contact several other ways befofe resorting to your workplace.
I don’t think not knowing how the process works makes you a liar, sheltered or privileged. That doesn’t necessarily happen often, I think it’s not crazy to think she has never been served or seen someone get served. It is really that common of a thing? You’re right though, that the person serving probably had issues getting a hold of her and did it in a way where she could not leave suddenly. Whether she was dodging the papers on purpose, or was just a busy celebrity with good security keeping out the person doing the serving, that’s debatable.
the premiere of your movie is not the workplace...the likelihood of it being served in such a publicly humiliating way is far greater than "we tried serving her in every other way to no avail"
@@emerald-kl9st the person that serves the papers isn’t like hired by the other party. It’s a highly bureaucratic process. it seems much more likely to be bad timing than a purposeful way to embarrass her.
I think a lot of the drama around Olivia Wilde followed her from her first directoral job on Book Smart. She made lots of tweets at the time about how if people like women led movies they needed to go see it and seemingly blamed her followers when the movie didn't make as much money as she was hoping. I saw that movie in theaters and was still rubbed the wrong way by her weaponizing feminism to improve her own career. Her vibe is all very, "girl boss". Also, I don't care either way but I believe her ex's custody story. The individual serving any legal papers tends to be several chains away from the individual actually doing it.
Side tangent: I did not get Book Smart. As a lover of girly teen movies generally and someone who loves the whole set up of "pretentiously good and judgy student realises the popular kids are also smart and getting good grades and so re-evaluates their attitude", I found it just kinda underwhelming. The only bits I really remember are the bits I mix up with Never Have I Ever and the random stoner movie scene somewhere in the middle which was vaguely amusing but just really seemed to play into this "teens do random drugs at parties and I'm the Cool Adult because I Get It and also like drugs" weirdness that so many teen oriented things seem to now. Like, it was marketed as a kind of feminist, girl oriented take on those 90s era teen hijinks movies where half the plot was some supposedly nerdy or burn out white dude committing vague sex crimes and the other half is a random and inexplicable romance story, which I guess it kinda was? But it was just kinda bland and didn't even do the hijinks very well. There were a few funny moments, but from the marketing I was expecting either a more based female perspective on the old tropes or at least a more original central plot than "two girl besties have a minor crisis then come back together when they realise Friendship TM is the most important thing"
it's so weird bc wilde's feminism used to feel so much more genuine. i almost feel like the success of book smart went to her head and made her feel like she's a lot more of a brilliant feminist mind than she actually is. its funny because i feel like if the harry styles character falling down the manosphere pipeline angle had been explored more, the 50s housewife aesthetics would feel more justified and like the movie was a response to the conflict between the relative progress that women have made in the present day vs the regressive ideologies that are promoted to men on the internet by selling them lies about what the world supposedly used to be like back when women were basically property. but because the internet pipeline thing is sort of brushed over, the aesthetic choices just end up feeling like a retread of very entry-level feminist rhetoric. idk maybe that makes sense only to me but i just feel like the 1950s white picket fence vibes were played a little too straight to feel relevant and refreshing. like dog we've seen stepford wives already you should have tried a little harder to update and expand upon that concept if you wanted this to be a relevant feminist commentary piece in the present day.
22:00 I heard a rumor that Florence wanted Olivia to hire an intimacy coach for her intimate scenes with Harry but that Olivia decided not to and things maybe got a bit weird, esp considering Harry and Olivia are dating edit: I also heard that Harry possibly got paid 3x more than Florence...
Someone else said that 40 people came forward and said that the rumors were false. Other people gave contrary reasons and maybe that they were paid and whatnot and the person defending Wilde did make a compelling argument however I don't care about anyone involved so I'll just keep away from getting into arguments about this. There's much more pressing matters
I just want to make you aware that jason was not responsible for how Olivia got served nor was he told how they were going to be delivered. That’s standard. The people that serve papers do not get paid until they complete the delivery and some don’t care how they do it cause really it doesn’t matter as long as they reach their destination. Olivia kept dodging and moving around which created a constant delay in those papers getting delivered. I’m guessing the person was sick of the constant failed attempts (caused by her) and just straight up did it that way once the opportunity presented itself.
The bigger issue is that literally nobody would have known that she was served if she didn't release a statement. Everyone would have just thought it was a fan handing her a script or one of her representatives handing her something. She choose to throw the drama of her family into the eyes of the public, which is a lame movie.
For me it’s not just that Olivia lied it’s that she tried to paint herself as a girl boss super hero girl supporting girl who fired Shia to protect Florence when that wasn’t the case lolol
Text messages from Florence and Shia were released and at least on there there doesn’t seem to be any animosity or bad vibes between them. From the looks of it there were conflicting schedules and other drama on set. Shia quit and Olivia tried to get him back. Then she lied and said he was fired which of course makes him look bad, and anybody caught in that scenario would want to clear that up. Apparently Florence was a huge fan of Olivia until she actually got to work with her. She tries to come off as a “girl’s girl” (gag) but she paid Harry $2 million while she only paid Florence 700k. Also apparently she was too busy with her romance with harry to focus on the job so Florence had to take the lead on the project. It’s all insignificant petty drama that keeps us all mildly entertained. You’re right it’s nothing life changing or ground breaking tho.
I saw the twist coming from a mile away. It gives off the vibe of a Twilight Zone episode, in that you aren't told what's happening at first, along with the protagonist. Arguably, WandaVision accomplished this similar plot much better.
The whole "it was a simulation the whole time!" bit has been done so many times. I'm not mad about it, I'm just also not super excited about it I guess. Combined with the stepford wives bit, it can be interesting.
I WAS WAITING FOR THIIIS The drama, edits & usage of bodily fluids sorrounding this debacle sent my expectations for the actual movie in the Mariana Trench 💀 Sending love from Romania tho, your videos are an og obssesion of mine discovered in 2020 🤍
I honestly think Chris Pine and Harry Styles’ PR teams came together and made a deal to say nothing happened so they didn’t have to deal with Oscar Slap Part 2, cuz it sure fucking looked like something happened there. Like you said, that is definitely the face of a man who wants to deck somebody but can’t because there’s cameras on him.
i don’t think he did it mainly because harry and chris were joking with each other after the alleged “spit” and chris didn’t seem to know cameras were on them. i’ll try and find the clip! edit: found it! it’s here: th-cam.com/users/shortsny4pbAuSulQ?feature=share
@@kenniesmusic This comment needs more attention. The original clip really does make it look like he spit on him, but then that clip you shared confirms to me that he didn't. You wouldn't joke like that with someone who spit on you earlier. At the end, Chris laughs pretty deeply and Harry is smiling. Doesn't seem like people who had so much beef that one of them just spit on the other. Thanks for sharing.
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Think you'll want to hear the latest: Kiki Layne and Ari'el Stachel have posted on social media after pretty much all their scenes were cut, making the one black woman a one-note device for the white lead, AFTER how in February 2021, Wilde said "[Kiki] has one of the most challenging roles in the film. A woman embodying completely opposite ends of the emotional spectrum. I'm blown away by her ability to be so vulnerable in one scene & playful the next. Kiki Layne is clearly a movie star." (It's not all bad news, as Layne and Stachel began dating during the filming of Don't Worry Darling and are still happily dating; Kiki's post ends with"#GotMyCheck #GotMyMan #EverythingHappensforaReason")
Harry James Miller has two videos pre-spit and post-spit that give a breakdown of all the details while still acknowledging they are human and this is ridiculous.
My thoughts on this are that I think 2+ things can be true at once: Olivia Wilde is one of the few female movie directors making movies today. She could possibly 1)have just gotten out of a toxic or even abusive relationship 2) be the target of a ton of misogynistic press coverage 3) have actually fired Shia for being abusive eventually Olivia Wilde *could * also very well be a fake feminist who 1) probably sided with an abuser based on that video & the email exchanges 2) 100% thought covid regulations didn't apply to her on set (weirdly the only thing that has actually been proven) 3) possibly paid award winning professional actress Florence Pugh significantly less money than Harry Styles, her bf who in actuality has had very little experience acting in movies & just isn't anywhere near as critical or good in this movie as she is...a movie that is very ironically about a man who can't stand the fact his wife is wildly more successful than he is 4) chose to make a film that could have a really interesting premise if they went with literally anyone other than a gaslit white female character. Wanda Vision is better than this for a reason, Or look at the poc in this film & be like why do they have alterntive memories of the 50's 5) and finally went on & on about the sex in this movie being very female centered without actually justifying it in the context of this particular film (for example, is Harry's character better in the vr world than in real life??? If so, why exactly? I mean obvs he wants to be a sex god, because presumably he isn't in the real world, ok sure...but if he's suppposed to be as controlling & fucked up as the movie is trying to portray him as being you'd think he'd probably want to cum sometimes. Or is he supposed to be someone with a service sub fantasy???? Also, please explain that in trhe context of this film). I can see why this would drive Florence Pugh up a wall
From what I understand from the drama surrounding the movie one of the issues was Wilde paid Harry (the person she’s dating) 3x the salary of Florence a woman with an Academy Award nomination under her belt. Were it me I would also be pissed about that because it seems incredibly unethical to do that and I would have an issue with it were it a male director paying his female side piece more money if I were an Academy Award nominated actress. I don’t have a dog in the fight when it comes to Harry Styles except that I wish he would not try so hard for people to take him seriously like we can forget that he came up through a boy band and stop trying to get everyone to think he’s the second coming of Bowie by trying to make everything “art” when all it looks like is his stylist hates him and he has no taste to tell them put me in another outfit.
I agree with a lot except coming from a boy band does not make you any less of an amazing artist or potential amazing artist. It does not mean you can never be great or that you never were.
I guess the real drama around this movie comes from the fact that a lot of One Direction fans REALLY want to believe that Harry Styles is secretly in love with one of his former bandmates, and the idea of him dating someone else (and a woman, no less) ruins that for them. So, they're out for revenge.
I don’t care about Sudeikis, but it’s pretty normal for people to get served publicly if the target’s home is off limits (which it was) and if the target is particularly hard to get access to.
11:52 the only part that you're missing is that there were rumors swirling around that Olivia was cheating on Jason with Harry while filming, which allegedly made everyone on set uncomfortable (Olivia has denied this I believe). Also as of today, articles are saying that Florence and Olivia had a "screaming match" in Florence's trailer
Around Spring 2021 when I heard that Olivia was more or less ignoring her director duties and Flo stepped in and was helping the cast and grew get it together I thought, Oh this is messy.
One of the aspects about the drama I’ve heard is about Olivia Wilde’s choice to hire Nick Kroll, who’s father was hired to silence Harvey Weinstein’s victims and that she worked with and Anthony Kiedis years after it was public that he’d had sex with a 14 year old girl (Olivia wishes him a happy birthday every year and it’s kinda icky). So that mixed with her possibly lying about her firing Shia to protect Florence makes it look like she’s not as feminist as she wants to be perceived. Also when I went in the rabbit hole so many people were arguing the relationship between her and Harry is fake
Someone who works in the legal world here!! 😂 Jason had no control over where and when the documents are to be served. He hired the company to serve the papers, and they will serve them by any means necessary
i think the reason the adam levine drama blew up the way it did is because not only did he cheat on his pregnant wife but he wanted to name his unborn child AFTER HIS MISTRESS.. i think most people are just shocked at the sheer audacity bc i know i was 😭 men constantly lowering the bar
a lot of the drama is based around the fact that Olivia up until this point portrayed herself as some bastion of feminism and in that video she is very demeaning about putting "Miss Flo" in her place and it was very shocking to see, on top of the fact she lied about firing Shia but somehow jason sudeikis sucks for something he had no control over.
idk when Shia was hired for the movie but Olivia did publicly supported her in 2020 when FKA Twigs opened up about the relationship. He's also had a history of being violent with women, I've been hearing about stories about him since I was 16 and I'm now 23 so...
@@selwatchesyt Exactly. And people who work with him/in this industry obviously know more than us. They probably knew months or even years before it hit the tabloids.
Chris Pine’s face after the “spit incident” looked like Brandy’s face during the VMA’s The Boy Is Mine performance with Monica, when Monica supposedly punched her before that performance…….they both looked pissed the hell off so I know some shit happened 👀 Edit: Chris Pine, I get all these Chris’s confused 🤣
@@crystalhelton6726 but there aren’t many black/POC actors with the same name so you can’t make that hypothetical example. But there are many white boy Chris’ in Hollywood though. Chris Pratt, Chris pine, Chris evans, Chris hemsworth. We can go on.
Here's the the thing: Shia and Olivia can both be problematic. One doesn't necessarily cancel out the other. If Shia was toxic, and Olivia wanted him back on set, and then went on to falsely take credit for firing him to protect Florence and the rest of the cast, then that's a problem. Protecting and maintaining an abuser in the workplace is participation in the abuse. That being said, we don't know, and probably will never know, the full story. I just worry about the consequences of excusing toxic behaviour by people, regardless of gender.
I don't think it was intentional most servers will come to you anywhere at any time and they likely saw that she would be present so showed up to pass them over. But since he's a wealthy actor I guess he could have gotten them to do what he wanted?
@@witchplease9695 idk anything abt these ppl. I do not care. However, the past is separate from this relationship. But all the scrutiny from this and the fact that he was cheated on is his karma if he did cheat in the past. Karma is real and she is one hell of a bitch. And I love her.
they had been divorced for months, even before harry was last-minute casted. that rumor spread because people are determined to make olivia the villain in everything (not saying she's an angel, not by any stretch of the imagination) but this rumor is (easily) proven false - ya'll are running with it because you want her to look bad (and/or think jason is ted lasso)
I think you saying they’re all just coworkers is spot on. The vibe I get with Olivia and Florence is like…Olivia is that one person you don’t really love to talk to but they always run up to you and talk for an hour, Florence is just not really on her wavelength. They worked together, Florence didn’t see eye to eye on certain creative things, no strong feelings but probably doesn’t want to work with Olivia again. I’ve worked on a lot of theatre, and I know that feeling of “your work is fine, your ideas are fine, it’s just not really my thing” pretty well. I think something similar is happening here. The other big thing is that the original screenplay is out there and it is so rough. The original was written by two men, the final movie version was a rewrite by Katie Silberman. It sounds like it got more coherent (having more than one female character, wow!) and overall relevant. But that original…hoo. Not sure even Florence’s acting could’ve saved it. Shallow, overblown, and the twist just had me wondering about logistics rather than caring about the story. Truly awful ❤
The whole reason I heard about this was because allegedly wilde was unprofessional. Her and Harry would keep the crew waiting, specifically Florence, show up late and leaving early. I thought thats what the drama was but i have to agree with Kennie, any other non famous person this is an average work day, whats the fuss?
What gets me is not the relationship between Olivia and Harry, it’s Olivia claiming to have made a lot of decisions on behalf of Florence and then begging for Shia Lebouf back and saying,” Miss Flow needs a wake up call” (paraphrased, in case someone discredits me just bc I put two quotes Olivia Wilde said in one)
I’m not sure the right conclusion was drawn from Wilde’s video. The problem is (and btw there were accusations of abuse against Shia from YEARS ago in regards to his relationship with Mia Goth, I believe) she said she had to “protect Florence” and was a “mother wolf” but in actuality she was trying to bring him back. She was setting herself up as this feminist who would protect a woman even at the cost of her own project, and the opposite was true. Does that somehow make Shia less bad? No, I don’t think we were ever talking about that though? I never once thought this showed Shia to be a good guy, just that Wilde isn’t either. We been knew Shia is garbage.
I think she meant in regards of Shia trying to make himself look like a good guy in this situation because no one else thought he was “good”. If anything, people were bewildered how she got shown up by an abuser of all things.
Yeaaa I didn’t take it as “oh Shia is the good guy” more like Olivia is a liar. I’m not saying she’s evil or anything but she DID get caught in a lie and was pandering as you said acting as if she was “mother wolf” when she wanted him to stay. Also Shia said he quit cuz they couldn’t get on the same page about rehearsal times not because he and Florence weren’t getting along. Tbh Olivia’s video makes it seem as if Florence was making rehearsal times difficult cuz she said something along the lines of Florence needing a “wake up call”
The entire time harry was on screen like every single time people started laughing. they were some scenes even I couldn't help but splurge out laughing with the rest but over all. he was okay and not that bad .performance wise he was unremarkable like I might forget about his performance after some time.
@M Yeah but this part could have been played by any other actor like anyone. whats the point of giving harry styles specifically tough? that part doesn't makes sense he was brutally outshined by Florence, Chris and Gemma as memorable performances.
Oooh this is one of the few times that I disagree with most of Kennie’s points. I don’t believe that Olivia Wilde is being unfairly villainized , Some of her behavior is deserving of rebuke- and no I’m not a Harry stan nor do I live in Idaho 😉 I also do not believe that Jason Sudeikis had anything to do with when Olivia was served.
@@biguattipoptropica also, still not pleased with the "benefit of the doubt" for Jason, like wdym? Olivia literally just lied about what happened and what is standard procedure (or didn't know because she's a rich white woman, which doesn't endear me to her)
Going into the tea a bit more: (was writing this up as you spoke so sorry if I say things you touched on later) Presenting the custody papers: her ex had nothing to do with that, he has no say in when or how the company delivers the papers. She had been actively dodging them; if they don't give her the papers, they don't get paid. So yeah, after a month or two of that they serve them to her at a place she can't make a quick exit. And of course she took that opportunity to make it an 'attack on her' and on all women, somehow. This has happened to celebrities before, them getting served papers on red carpets etc because they simply couldn't get hold of them otherwise. From what I can tell Florence is pissed that she poured her whole being into this like she always does and then all this bs drama began, and then on top of that the (non-consensual but hey let's call it female empowerment anyway) heavily sex-based marketing, which didn't even have any effect on the plot. Speaking of marketing, they banked like crazy on Styles' fanbase, to the point they would give out free tickets to fans for promoting the film, and apparently there wasn't an age restriction on that, meaning minors would have gotten involved in this. Then Wilde straight up threw Florence under the bus in that video Shia LaBeouf released. Apparently there were considerable rewrites as well, the cast barely had time to rehearse, Florence got paid less than Styles, AND she had to step in to direct and/or in the post-production process because Wilde was off being a groupie. So yeah, I'd be pissed too, seems Florence did not sign up for what this became. Also, aside from indeed wanting a man who apparently made her female lead feel uncomfortable on set (quite understandably so, even before the lawsuit he was known to be... 'eccentric'), where she would have to do the aforementioned non-consenual sex scenes with him, Wilde straight-up lied about firing LaBeouf. She's also known for having connections to a bunch of very unsavoury people in the industry that I'm not going to get into specifics about because I might get shadowbanned, but tl;dr she's a fan of Polanski (not just in a 'separate the art from the artist' way, the whole package), and is friends with men that are known to have been 'besties' with minors (like Anthony Kiedis, if you want to pain yourself with that rabbithole). Then there's her touring the world with Styles both during filming and even more during post-production of the filming, when directors normally don't leave the editing room. Extremely unprofessional no matter how you look at it. As for the whole Wilde/Styles thing, it seems like a pretty obvious PR relationship to me. It conveniently started when DWD's filming did, was ALL OVER the tabloids, and now after the disastrous Venice premiere break-up rumours are already popping up left and right, when a month ago those same tabloids were claiming their ever-present 'anonymous source' said they were totally defs for reals about to get married for the third time. Something ain't adding up there. Thanks for coming to my TED talk, I'm here every weekend.
About being served papers the way that works is the lawyers higher a service (this is a specific job people have). people do try to avoid being served and there are reports that was the case with Olivia wilde she was avoiding being served so they had to catch her where they could ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ They don't provide a play by play to the client who would actually be the lawyers so..
The drama behind the scene : - shia le boeuf axe : olivia alleged she fired him and was empowering flo based on his record and so she would be seen as a big feminist activist… while she was actually was begging him to stay and saying that is was florence fault and that would be a wake up call for her (in the video), which means she was standing with him. - her ex fiance axe : the rumour or the problem is not that she started dating harry styles shortly after (which i agree that yes that’s the problem his fans have) but it’s that this is the case of a cheating person rumour, based on the following of event she was still with her fiancé while having an affair with the person she hired in her movie. The paper part is proven not to be his decision and it was a result of her not being reachable anywhere for a long time since she was travelling all the time with harry and has no stable place. - the olivia wild / florence pugh qnd the rest of cast tension : allegedly there was some big problems and fights during the movie but that’s not confirmed, what is confirmed is that florence waent from saying this is a dream coming true like working with one of her idols … to zero interaction and refusing to say a hi to olivia . One of the known reason is that yes the movie was being reduced to the olivia/harry couple but the big part is that she signed for a movie dealing with all the gender sexism and sexual consent … while olivia was promoting the whole movie everywhere as being about female pleasure and how she wanted to have this very focused on women sex scenes … whoch is controversial since those scene are considered a rape because it was without consent. As someone who watched the movie too, i would say the hype aroud the movie is bigger than the movie itself, it’s not the worst and it’s definitly not great either, it’s an enjoyable pop corn movie with good cinematography and great florence performance & ok harry performance with some over acting. The plot is a wallmart version of a movie called stepford wives, the ending is rushed and in my opinion a bit messy. It’s an ok movie to watch and not a film festival worthy. I believe this fuss was intentional to promote the movie because without it nobody except maybe harry and florence fan would’ve watch it.
olivia wilde has a growing list of controversies that have made people look at her sideways anyway, but i think her previous controversies compounded with harry's fans being weird and the drama surrounding the movie, have made this a bigger issue than it probably would've been otherwise. there's a lot to be said about olivia wilde, so i'd definitely look into it.
Jason sudekis isn’t a shit person - the process server does whatever the hell they need to do to get those papers served. It’s almost a meme at this point, the lengths the servers go to, to get ya!
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I think Shia's point wasn't to defend him from being "hard to work with" and "combative" but rather refute Olivia's claim that he was fired because of that reason...as he showed she was asking him back after quitting...so yeah Olivia didn't care enough to fire Shia for being problematic but lied to win sympathy points Edit. Also Shia pretty much owned that he was hard to work with on set 🤷🏻 and miss Olivia truly underestimated Shia's level of bs behaviour that one time
Olivia dating Harry gives me the boss dating an employee vibes. She got him the job, kinda feels like favoritism. Also the age gap is 10 years, if the genders were reversed would people find that weird? A 38 year old male director dating an inexperienced 28 year old actress in his movie? I just get weird vibes.
jason is like 10 yrs older than olivia too so I think people are ignoring the age gap bc u can’t rly side against olivia and with jason for the same reason. there def is favoritism tho bc harry isn’t really good at acting. if she hadn’t cast him there would be wayyy less “drama” tbh. dating harry brings hella negative attention on olivia
@@elthereall yeah there was an age gap there too, weird, but it adds another level of weird when one is the boss/director. Idk how Jason and Olivia met or anything but im talking purely Harry and Olivia rn
A 28 year old is a full on adult in every way, there is nothing problematic them dating someone 10 years older because they can handle that relationship. This is not like an 18 year old dating a 28 year old. Maturity gap between a 28 year old and a 38 year old isn’t that big. In fact, it’s pretty small. That said, the problem with the relationship is that she’s his boss. Like we talk about male directors dating their actresses being problematic, this is just as much so even if it rarely happens.
@@crownofeunoia1907 I'm just saying that's the only "weird" vibe I get. Like it was said the drama is luke warm at best. A boss dating an employee 10 years younger is just weird. And it'd be just as weird if the roles were reversed. I get Harry is an adult
look I don’t understand WHAT is going on, nor i plan on trying to understand but I will say this, the controversy surrounding the movie alone is the best form of advertising i have ever seen. My mother know about this movie and she doesn’t even speak english 😆
From my understanding Shia didn’t quit because he wasn’t getting along with Pugh, he said he quit because Olivia was terrible at scheduling rehearsals and he felt he wasn’t getting enough rehearsal time, and her saying he didn’t get along with Pugh was to take advantage of the court case he was in to dog pile on him for clicks. Now Olivia’s drama with Pugh was more than calling her “Miss Flo” in the video where she says that she accuses Pugh of being unprofessional and a diva onset and said she will get her back in line if Shia returned. These the facts for anyone else?
To speak on the issuing of the custody papers, I believe Jason. When my custody papers were issued to my ex I had no say over when or where it was going to happen. I simply gave my lawyer my ex’s home and work address and he passed it along to the process server.
As far back as 2015 there was evidence of Shia being abusive (there was a fight between him and Mia Goth filmed and he left, continued to be filmed, and basically said he would have killed her if they/the cam hadn't been there which........) and Olivia had worked with him before and said she had a really bad experience so trying to have him for a bit and then saying she asked him to go bc she was "mama bear" (her words) protective over Florence is uh. Olivia we have the proof that you weren't.
Plus saying "Miss Flo" needs a "wake up call" is very patronizing and victim blame-y, like Wilde is literally saying that Pugh needs to learn to accept the on-set abuse bc that's just how things are.
I feel like I stepped back from this whole "drama" because it was honestly just a pain. What I remember reading a few times was Olivia was cheating with Harry on set, Jason Sudekis found out about it and apparently it caused issues with Florence and her now ex Zach Braff which led to them breaking up and led to more drama between Florence and Olivia. There was also supposedly the stuff where Olivia promised Florence Shia was gone and she'd fired him but in actual fact he quit and she wanted him back, which is supposed to add to the drama between the two... And I also read that apparently there was a pen or a marker on the seat and Harry knocked it onto Chris Pine and stained his suit which was the reason for the look. Goes to show how much people will run with these things.
Apparently part of the tea is that olivia wasn't broken up with js when she got with harry styles. Olivia apparently got weird about florence and harry doing scenes together
Olivia attempted to promote this movie DWD as being something feminist and sex positive but DWD ultimately glamorized r*pe and SA. And Olivia doing this + throwing Florence under the bus in favor of Shia LaBeouf is very sketchy on Olivia's part.
I'd love it if we as a society would all stop pretending that Harry Styles is a great actor. Is he bad? No, he's a very okay actor. But Florence Pugh is way too talented to be paired opposite such a mediocre actor, it really shows how much of a contrast there is. If HS really wants to keep acting, sticking within action or comic book movies is probably the best bet
re: the Florence stuff In her reaction to the casting announcement, Pugh called Wilde her idol and gushed about her but in all later posts simply called her the director which ppl have been reading into
Yes, process servers do whatever to serve their docs with or without their client’s permission or input. Celebrities get served in weird places because their schedules are known.
there was also a lot about kiki layne getting cut from the movie despite her character being vital to the plot (and supposedly olivia got a lot of unnecessary screentime so that’s adding fuel to the fire). but kiki’s one of the only black actresses in the movie
I had read on line that Florence had to direct some scenes because apparently Olivia and Harry was so much into each other and it was distracting on set. 🤷🏾♀️
people aren't calling olivia out to defend shia, everyone knows and acknowledges that he's still a terrible person, they're calling her out because she was being shady towards florence who felt uncomfortable being around an a**ser and olivia still(even after florence complained and told her how she felt) went and started begging him to come back saying "i think this might be a bit of a wake up call for miss flo.".. if you don't know much about the drama don't speak on it, i usually agree with most of your takes but this isn't it.
Your drama report is off. Olivia Wilde was alleged to be messing around with Harry Styles while she was still in a relationship with Jason Sudeikis. They broke up after he found out. Sudeikis probably didn't have anything to do with Olivia being served on stage. Process servers have to serve people in person after confirming your identity. If they have a hard time catching up with you, they will serve you at work. Olivia Wilde is definitely lying about firing Shia LaBeouf. He quit because of the quick turn around time between being cast and beginning filming. He's had plenty of evidence proving so. He also has evidence that he's on good terms with Florence Pugh.
the drama from this movie premiere alone is a movie itself
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Preach, you could easily make an entire movie about the behind the scenes drama instead!
That part. I can’t think of another movie that has a THREE MINUTE trailer but had my attention the whole time 😂
literally 😭
I saw this last night and when the ending hit, somebody said “Huh?!” out loud in the middle of the theater and I feel like that sums up the whole movie.
Someone said "im sorry but no" in mine
I just saw it and I said “darling I’m worried”
I was so Madd yall😭🤣🤣
@@aliyahmorris1281 what happened ?
@@hoetrocity Harry styles character put her in a simulation cult
it’s so strange to me that olivia wylde talked so highly of the sex scenes in this movie and how there are “no good sex scenes about womens pleasure”, in like every press conference she did.. but then the movie is about the control and power of patriarchy and a man being in control of a woman… they tried way too hard to make it a feminist think piece, but it really just seems like a wattpad fan fiction about harry styles to me 😅
Best way ive heard it explained. And I must say that incel Harry was just sad for so many reasons lol
its so weird to see it as a feminist think piece considering all of the women were 2D except from alice. i think it would’ve been better if they condensed the film and alice spent the second half of it freeing all the women who were trapped in that simulation or something
From someone who has just seen it: We’ve seen this done in more subversive and nuanced and entertaining ways like with Rosemary’s Baby and the original Stepford Wives. And those movies are decades old. Hell, throw some Truman Show and The Handmaid’s Tale in there. It has good moments (especially in the first half), but it feels very nuance-less, reductive and non ironically “white feminist.” Taken as a straightforward thriller, it’s just decent nothing more. But as some type of social commentary or something meant to be “groundbreaking” or a feminist manifesto, it’s pretty hallow and cliched.
@@goopedukps or they could have gone deeper into the reasons women would actively choose that situation. Or the different reasons the men were taking part. Bunny was the “client” but the set up is that she stays while her husband leaves every day…… so how did that conversation work? How did she come across victory? How does her husband feel about it? Is this out of love for his wife and dead children that he doesn’t get to stay with? All while under the control of Frank who seemingly has evil intend even beyond jack…. Franks wife is seemingly even worse as she seeks to take over the whole thing. What’s her motives. Honestly the story would have been better as a mini series of some kind. Instead it feels rushed where it didn’t need to be
@@liteflightify what’s sad is that the parts were there to actually say something but those things were ignored by everyone. Bunny was prime material. She chose to be there….. interesting. So her husband is a slave in the real world to keep up his wife’s delusions. There’s something to explore and compare to Alice. Franks wife seems to actually be the mastermind behind this and not actually Frank. Something to explore. But she’s ignored as well. Sad let down. It’s like Wilde took something and widdled it down to her own biased views and it’s kind of hilarious.
Honestly the tea in the movie is how Wilde spoke about the sex scenes being all about women’s pleasure and in the end turns out Pugh’s character has been forced into a simulation by her husband, the one she’s having “sex” with
Yeah that was so confusing, like she directed it so she knew what was up with those scenes, that it was going to be revealed to have been non consensual...so that's weird and icky. It's not really empowering anyone
That’s the biggest reason why I disliked the script. Like, Olivia, what are you doing?
Girl why did she say that 😭 knowing the scene wasn’t about what the woman wanted at all 😭
By her boyfriend
Kiki Layne (who plays Margaret) recently came out saying that most of her scenes and her husband's (who also plays in the movie as her husband) got cut. I read the original script and a lot of scenes that included her would've made more sense since she's a pivotal character to the plot. There's a lot of discussion now about that, cause they were also rumours in the beginning of filming about Olivia not hiring BIPOC because it didn't match "the aesthetics of the movie". Kiki wasn't even on the poster nor at the premiere too...
He’s not her husband, they just started dating.
Thank you for giving me another reason to not watch this movie :)
right like it sucked how they made the only poc into a bad person & “in the wrong”
@@kamrynclaire I’m not even joking. Wtf are you talking about.
@@kamrynclaire no she wasn’t. And black people should be able to play any character that’s equal rights
Kennie is giving rich 50s house wife with those hair rollers and martini glass and I love it ❤️🔥
It's quite lovely, isn't it?
@@robot12423 omg all I needed was a red lip with that look 💙💕🥰🥰🥰 perfection
Yes ma'am she is!! Lol looking good Kennie ☺️😉
Her make up brush even gave the same vibe and look as those old cigarette holders women would use.
she needs a fancy robe to really bring it home!
Kendall saying This movie certainly was one at 08:47 was like Harry saying that his favourite thing about the movie was that it felt like a movie and I don't know if it was intentional or not, but it's hilarious.
What was funnier is when he says that you can see stoned face chris pine's neck flexing as if he was having an aneurysm.
Certainly one of the movies ever
In Harry’s defense, when I watched the trailer one of the things I liked the most is that it felt like a movie trailer. 😂😂😂
I actually get what he means. The last big movie he was in was Christopher Nolan's Dunkirk. That movie was more like an experiment in medium and experience rather than a cinematic film.
@@swooshes897 "don't laugh..don't laugh"
You want some messy tea?
My ex husband had an affair, and I ended up having a serious allergic reaction when I was in the hospital (I have Endometriosis and Cyclic vomiting syndrome that flare up at the same time, so it was a regular visit) and I ended up dying, then being in a coma for 2 weeks before I wokeup.
During that whole time, my ex never even answered the hospitals calls, so the hospital ended up calling my mom when I had been in acoma for about a week, and she had to fly across the country to come be with me.
When I got out of the hospital, I found out my ex had his gf in my condo the whole time, and she stole some of my clothes including underwear, and a brush, and apparently she stole those items to do some sort of "spell" on me.
Hopefully that's messy enough for ya, haha idk if I have anything messier that's happened to me. And ive been kidnapped. 😶
Omg girl, I hope you’re better.
Ma’am kidnapped?!?!????? You deserve a movie
glad he's an ex! and hope youre doing better
Damn girl you need to write a book on that!
WHAT
I’VE GOT THE TEA! I heard it from a friend who is a film director’s assistant and generally someone in the know about all things Hollywood. Apparently Florence had to direct a lot of the film herself, which REALLY pissed her off, presumably particularly as she has received no credit. She was unimpressed with the work culture on set and found Olivia inadequate as a director. I’m not sure whether she had to direct because Olivia was absent and spending time with Harry, or whether she simply wasn’t up to the task, but either way, Florence was clearly overworked and very under appreciated. I would also find this frustrating if my director couldn’t do their job properly and was swanning about with the male lead and being generally unprofessional.
I’ve heard elsewhere that Florence earned a lot less than Harry. If this is true, paired with the fact that she did half of Olivia’s job too, I’m not remotely surprised that she’s angry and unwilling to participate in the film promo any more than the bare minimum. It is particularly galling that Olivia paints herself as someone who champions women in Hollywood if her main female lead was overworked and paid less than the male, who happens to be her boyfriend!!!
literally everything you said is false information... while it's not even believable??? florence didn't direct shit nor was she fucking paid less 😭 y'all seriously are like sheep and just believe all the bs media says cause it makes people talk
40 ppl who worked on the set have NAMED themselves publicly and their job description to out this bullshit by “anonymous source” and say Olivia is great As for the pay, again an anonymous source which was immediately discredited by Olivia herself
@@VincentA824 I just want to clarify what you're saying. 40 people from the movie have come out publicly saying that the rumors of Olivia Wilde ducking out of work to presumably be with Harry are incorrect, right? They're saying she was a good director and that Florence did not direct half the movie?
@@minyoongi6039 correct
Tbh with all we know about this situation from how the cast has been acting, this makes a lot of sense, especially if Wilde was off Y.N-ing with Harry the whole shoot. I know from experience how awkward it can be for a group of people to have to witness a couple in the group be very PDA-y and sneaking around all the time, so imagining that dynamic with a whole film crew/cast? Oof.
Florence is doing the right thing by not talking about it so much she is a true Queen❤️
Olivia wilde said in an interview that she fired Shia to "protect Florence" and then he released a video of her trying to convince him to came back saying things like miss flo needs a "wake up call". That's why people started calling her out. And about the custody papers it's really not in his hands and apparently those people were trying to get in touch with her for over a week with no response from her so they had no choice but to serve her at the cinema con.
Thank you!! Kennie’s take on all of this is wildly off.
Yeah, despite him being an awful person, I can understand him feeling some type of way if his boss was telling everyone that he was fired when he left the project himself. That could hinder future job prospects. He also admitted to not getting along with FP, not the other stuff she said about his behavior on- set. He's known for having a temper, so I wouldn't be surprised if he was difficult to work with. But not knowing anything about the abuse allegation, I think he was in the right to speak out against OW.
Yeah, I work in the legal field. & although, we can give the process server various addresses to find the person, a good process server will find them on their own & they certainly won't call us to make sure it's okay before serving the person anywhere. That's what we hired them for. That being said, I have worked at places where we usually do give them specific instructions not to serve people at work even if they can find them there, but we're in the business. Maybe Olivia's ex didn't think that far into it & yes, very possible he didn't know.
You asking where the drama is while wearing rollers and a holding a cocktail in your hand is actually so funny
When my mom filed for divorce, she pleaded with the process server not to serve my dad at a certain time, but he ignored her and did it at that time anyway. I actually do believe Jason Sudeikis likely didn't know or have a say in when the custody papers were going to be served.
I have no idea how security let some random on stage. This seems like a publicity stunt of some kind.
Yeaaaa I was about to write this - I know very little about Jason Sudekis but people have no control over when and where the process server serves the papers to the other person. They can also get irritated if someone keeps dodging them and then end up serving them at an inappropriate time.
@@kmhkennedy This is what I was sitting here thinking, like how the hell did that happen?
@@kmhkennedy I thought the same, I think she’d already been served and got someone to bring them up the stage for clout. Ain’t no way they gone let some random man come up and hand her something whilst she’s mid speech. I’m so tired of her and her constant clout chasing. The whole Harry relationship is fake too. It’s all PR for the movie. That man likes men, he always looks so uncomfortable around her.
Also want to add my sister got served at her besties wedding.
The “drama” is also overshadowing the fact Olivia Wilde called the sex scenes in this movie EMPOWERING for WOMEN……..
yes exactly. would love to see a video discussing how Olivia and Florence represent two perspective on feminism, and what it says more broadly about our society
Where’s that principal from Billy Madison?
“Mrs Wilde, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.”
My boyfriend said as we walked out of the theater “The worst part about the movie is the controversy surrounding it is more entertaining than the actual movie” 😂
Small aside: as far as FKA Twigs "allegations" - Shia's response was to admit it, I hope people know. He admitted it. He said she was right and truthful about her statements. I say this with a twinge of frustration because I do not follow this man as a topic and hadn't since Twigs spoke her truth and he confirmed he was physically and sexually abusive to her - yet for some reason youtube stories keep showing me podcast clips with him very much in a redemption-arc-light and it's making me sick lmaoooooo
Redemption arc complete with a "conversion" to Catholicism, which "helped" him out of his "bad place," and a new baby.
Exactly. People are like really willing to give abusive people chance after chance and redemption over or for their victims without their permission. Cough cough Amber Heard and shia.
@@bethanychatman9531 Amber was an abuse victim with years of evidence that anyone who looks outside of 5 second tiktok clips making fun of abuse knows, are you fucking stupid
@@bethanychatman9531 take amber heard out of that. depp was and is the abuser.
Yes I really dont understand why Olivia Wilde would hire him after what FKA Twigs said about him. He is horrorible and the Twigs-thing is not the only "allegation" against him in the last years, he really shouldnt be hired anywhere.
The controversy surrounding this movie seems to have overshadowed the actual film. I've heard that Florence and Chris give decent performances, so I might watch for them alone.
Florence is awesome in it, Chris too... But I don't think he's given a whole lot to work with
it seems like a forgettable movie, speaking as someone whose first exposure to the movie is kennie'a video. If the movie isn't exceptional one way or another, then theres not a whole lot to talk about. No one really cares about a movie that is competent at best and a pass at worst. If the movie isnt going to provide anything especially compelling or unique, the media is going to try to make a story out of a non story. thats just their job, even if it is a silly thing to do.
They were the only reason to watch it to begin with 😂
Florence was fantastic. Chris, and the rest of the cast weren't given nearly enough time and material.
I hope Florence and Chris get well soon, because they really broke their backs carrying the entire film.
crying over how the section of the drama is longer than the movie review, that says so much
And the hits keep coming! Kiki Layne and Ari'el Stachel have posted on social media after pretty much all their scenes were cut, making the one black woman a one-note device for the white lead, AFTER how in February 2021, Wilde said "[Kiki] has one of the most challenging roles in the film. A woman embodying completely opposite ends of the emotional spectrum. I'm blown away by her ability to be so vulnerable in one scene & playful the next. Kiki Layne is clearly a movie star."
(It's not all bad news, as Layne and Stachel began dating during the filming of Don't Worry Darling and are still happily dating; Kiki's post ends with"#GotMyCheck #GotMyMan #EverythingHappensforaReason")
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Vulture recently ran an article how Olivia and Florence had a screaming match on set and Olivia told others to be responsible while she went to a wedding with Harry with tons of people. Florence has asthma. So it pissed her off and others on set. This movie was being filmed during the height of covid.
Jason saying he had nothing to do with the serving papers thing i personally believe, only because I've seen a guy on tiktok who used to have that job and he told stories of how they would find the most fun/ridiculous ways to serve papers to people
I left the theatre feeling like crawling out my skin and wanting to abstain from interacting with any man for the rest of my life
The husband twist/reveal made the casting make even more sense in my opinion. Taking a man who women idolize and turning him into an incel lord is kinda genius imo.
@@hamish_ny They did pretty well to make him into an ugly neckbeard lol, I was pretty shocked when I saw him like that
@@hamish_ny if it was Shia, he would be playing 50% himself☕
Go for it. There are plenty of women like you who need to be loved.
This happens everytime I watch a movie with a creepy toxic male character that the girl character adores.
well Florence Pugh is slated to be in Dune Part Two as one of the main characters so it may be true she has a lot on her plate cause that's a HUGE movie
Omg really! That’s so cool I had no idea :D Now I get to look forward to that movie even more I didn’t think that was possible
@@Anonymou333 yes!! She's playing Princess Irulan!
So stoked for the next Dune movie! Florence Pugh will be fabulous, I’m sure
still agree it's kind of up in the air, but timothee chalamet seemed to be in venice for quite a while
@@DragonHotCoffee That makes so much sense as soon as you said she'd be in Dune I was thinking she might be the princess.
Hello wonderful people! As per the video, I wanted to make a post so that I could get a bit more of a concise understanding of the drama and make any redactions if necessary. This list is ongoing~
1. 12:49 Hearing a bit of mixed reactions to the concept of Sudeikis knowing about the papers being served on stage. So for the time being, I will make an addendum about Sudeikis and give him the benefit of the doubt around that (lol im sure he cares). I will say that Wilde being issued the papers ON STAGE in the middle of presenting her movie does seem quite pointed and purposeful. Maybe it's bad timing. Maybe someone wanted to make Wilde look foolish. But something just don't smell right to me, I'm sorry.
2. 14:12 A lot of different accounts on the Shia video. As I understand it, the issue was that it would seem that Shia was asked back to the movie after Olivia presented herself as someone who protects her actresses. I could see this going two ways. A) she is lying about being a supportive feminist while hiring abusers (assuming she was aware) or B) she tried to make the cast work together and when they couldn't she chose Flo over Shia Labeouf. Considering, Florence hasn't said anything about what was the issue with Shia specifically ( as far as I know) I don't think I have enough information to make a call on that until someone speaks on it directly and actually confirms the bad blood on set.
2B. There are also people saying here was NO animosity between Flo and Shia. Idk man I'm even more confused then omg.
3. Apparently there are reports, as of yesterday Sept 23, that there were arguments on set between Pugh and Wilde because Wilde would disappear with Harry while on set. This is closer to tea. Thank you reporters. (Edit) It would seem this has lead to cheating allegations and/or Wilde being unprofessional and leaving Pugh to do her job while she went off with Harry. Again, this is closer to tea!
I agree with you in the video, it reeks of abuse.
Court documents leaked showing Jason chose not to serve Olivia at her house or at school and waited six months to serve her then chose to do it at Cinemacon, he chose to do it and he knew
@@thetruth830 that’s not how serving works, you can’t choose where and when a process server serves PLUS it’s absolutely normal to serve people at work. Claiming otherwise is ignorant at best.
@@biguattipoptropica you absolutely can. also at cinemacon? do you know how hard it is to get into cinemacon…. they’d have to pay a fine, which Jason would pay for
Another hot tea I read about (at least in German gossip magazines) is that it seemed weirdly odd to many people that Florence and her long-term boyfriend have suddenly and quietly broken up a few months ago, while she was still filming the movie. Rumors started going around that she developed a crush on Harry and thus broke up with her bf, and that now her and Olivia are kind of fighting over him. Now THAT'S MESSYYYY if you ask me 👀
As someone who has had a person served with papers, once you choose to have someone else do the serving it's out of your hands. They basically find out where you are and serve you. Some people show restraint and others don't care where you are when they hand you those papers.
I want to notify folks that Jason Sudekis DO NOT HAVE ANY SAY when custody papers are delivered. Court papers like divorce papers and custody papers are left to the discretion of the person who serve the papers and they have to serve the papers to the recipient ASAP. The reason Olivia was served papers at the con was because she was not making herself available anywhere else for the server to serve them, which is understandable when she would be jetsetting all over the place to promote her movie.
So yeah, Jason had nothing to do with that. That just court system stuff.
EDIT: I want to say that I am no fan of Sudekis, I am just someone familiar with court procedures.
unrelated but the way you wrote "Jason Sudekis DO NOT HAVE ANY SAY when custody papers are delivered" makes it sound like "Jason Sudekis" is plural and this is a thing specific to people with that name and that's hilarious for some reason XD
(please don't change it)
Yeah, I can also confirm that people who serve papers just try to do it when they can guarantee that the person will be in a certain place so they don't waste their time, because they are legally required to physically hand the documents to that person and see that they receive them. They can't just leave them in her mailbox or taped to a door, so if they weren't having any luck finding her at home or other places, the next logical step would be to research what events she had coming up.
@@mischr13 lol my bad.
Yeah, Olivia W isn't the first to be served papers on stage even. Ciara was served midconcert once lol
Tip from someone who works at a movie theater: the big movies we usually are showing it in theaters a day earlier than the advertised released date
Yep every marvel movie
I JUST WANNA SAY I SAW WOMAN KING AND HARDEN FROM AFTER IS IN THERE AND I JUST FEEL THAT THIS COMMUNITY SHOULD KNOW THAT💀
Im sorry WHAT 😭
OMG I saw Woman King in the theater and saw him and couldn't help but think of the BM&B fam!!! lmao
Is the movie worth watching otherwise?
…..AS WHAT? Please tell me he don’t speak pleaseeeeeeeeeee
@@ayannabranchcomb7535 he’s a portuguese enslaver sooo….
florence and chris carried this movie. also, when i watched this in theatres people laughed at a lot of harry’s scenes… LOUDLY. i love harry, but he should definitely stick to music.
In fairness to Jason Sudeikis, my friend is a process server and it’s literally left up to them. They get the person’s name and address, but the when, where and how a person is served is left completely up to the server. They typically only notify that the person has or hasn’t been served. We only heard about this because they did it so publicly.
Just two things i don't necessarily agree with you on:
1. The whole drama of Wilde releasing a statement that she was the one who fired Lebouf when it was him who quit is extremely problematic. It's not just catching her in a lie. In the video that Shia released it can be seen how she is blaming Pugh for their working relationship not going smooth. Literally points out 'if ms. flo was more mature...we could work this out' etc. Firstly, not only are you siding with an abuser which probably your lead female artist expressed her discomfort against..you are also selling her out to the said abuser. Secondly, you are then suddenly climbing on the moral high ground by acting righteous that you were the one who fired him for his toxicity when in fact you were quite literally begging for him to come back.
2. Jason or anyone in a legal battle for that matter have nothing to do with when or how custody papers are served..period
Yeah I was gonna say like when someone gets served papers there’s not really scheduling of that. The process server serves wherever they can get ahold of the person. Getting served at work is common.
True! Up
Just to add
3) Kennies❤️ chronology is wrong. Shias tendency towards violence was well-known long before 2019. He has publicly confirmed a fist fight with Tom Hardy on a set. He is known to employ method acting to the extreme including yanking out a tooth and not bathing for the film Fury. He has been arrested multiple times and is on video leaving his girlfriend/now wife In the middle of the street at night while saying that he needs to get away from her before he hits her. Olivia had no business hiring this man to begin with.
4) it is now confirmed that the reason Flo would not do promo is because she and her director had a huge blow out on the set. A blowout reportedly triggered by Olivia fraternising with Harry to Florence detriment as the actress doing the heavy lifting. It was mediated by the head of the studio. The publication reporting this is reliable (Vulture). And we know some of this must be true because the studio did not forcing Florence to her contractual terms for promotion. She attended only one event and did no interviews
5) Olivia had no business discussing the exit of an actor. I have never seen a director and discuss firing an actor who wasn’t part of the franchise. Nobody needs to know an actor left, if they’ve never seen the actor in the role in the first place.
6) Olivia had no business discussing complaints made to her by her actress about Shia with the general public. IF Olivia’s story is correct then this is Florence’s story to tell. But we have seen text messages between Shia and Florence Showing that the issue was always to do with rehearsal scheduling. I think their processes are just very different, She saves it for the camera and he wants to go over it before filming.
Summary - Olivia has a very performative brand of feminism And it involves throwing even her star under the bus in order to look like a big hero. But meanwhile she’s doing all the sketchy things that people want male directors to stop doing i.e. hitting on or sleeping with cast members under your watch
@@jakestroll6518 Shia was perfect for the role of Jack. He’s a method actor yes however the character of Jack doesn’t hurt Alice until he sedated her. And then when he tries to suffocate hug her in the end so Shia being violent while in the role wouldn’t have really been an issue. And now that things have come out I’m certain it never was the issue. And Florence seemingly had no issues or fears. It’s Wilde doing some fishy stuff behind scenes.
@@jakestroll6518 I like this, very informative
Okay so the tea 🫖 for me is mostly Olivia Wilde’s messiness with Harry on set while still being in a relationship with Jason. I don’t care about her or Harry or even Florence (though she ate at the red carpet). While she was filming she was still in a relationship with Jason WHILE filming the movie. They were highly inappropriate with each other and everyone on set noticed that. And Jason was bringing their kids around the set not knowing she was being messy. So there is that.
Side note: There was no intimacy coordinator on set which is highly upsetting considering that the director is directing her own partner in a love scene. Intimacy coordinators basically make sure everyone is comfortable with what they are doing and dictate what is going too far. And since she was marketing the film more towards sexiness and the female gaze, it became even more inappropriate since that wasn’t the focus, which of course you mentioned about Florence. I think Harry also got paid more than her which is like….ma’am
And it was supposed to be about women?! Well! I guess she thought because she’s a woman director that would be enough. Maybe Florence said no, but as a good director you really need to think that through. As for Harry. Lol, he definitely slept with her to get the role. And she is using her power as a woman and director to ensure he was the lead not Florence. Crazy.
none of this is confirmed tho
what she said is that they broke things off before and jason didn't say anything about that, all this is just rumors, and even if she did cheat people's reaction is disproportionate to the action male directors cheat and sleep with their leed all the time and people don't focus on it at all .
the being paid more is proven to be a lie that came out of nowhere,
"female gaze" doesnt exist so write that one down first
valid critiques but ppl use that term a lot not realizing the female gaze does not exist bc we are NOT in a female dominated society
the male gaze exists bc society is male dominated
According to her though she and Jason split up privately early pandemic, so months earlier, and they were just living together for the kids and coparenting at the time the movie was being made. None of us really know but them.🤷♀
@@AndSoWeLaughed Except Kennie said Florence is very much the lead and Harry is supporting?
The plot twist wasn’t a plot twist at all because I’ve seen Wandavision before. As soon as the black woman said something along the lines of “why can’t we leave?” And Florence Pugh finding out that the eggs in the carton were fake, I instantly thought that it was going to be like Wandavision.
The movie wasn’t as bad as I was expecting, it was very scary for me bc I’m sensitive to horror movies and I enjoyed the chase scene at the end. Everyone in the cinema laughed whenever Harry styles was shouting or upset which was kind of funny.
I literally watched WandaVision this year. I also watched a movie on Netflix that was kind of similar-ish. The plot would have been interesting if it was not done before and went down such a predictable path.
I’ve never seen Wanda vision or I came in thinking it was step ford wife type of ending but it was different which was a twist for me and my pre-conceived notion and I’m not a film critic by any means but I enjoyed the movie, I thought the acting was good, I thought the idea was interesting, and I liked the visuals of the dancers and the eyes. I’m not saying it was perfect but It was a solid movie. I’m still trying to figure out what the plan was. Was the plan her trying to wake herself up, why was it the same as the little boys toy.
I thought it was a nice date night movie, and I’ve seen so many worse movies than this and the score it got on rotten tomato seemed uneven to other things they scored the same.
Have you ever seen "The Truman Show"? It's older than both of these films and it's has the same plot. I knew how it was gonna go as soon as I saw the trailer.
I hate that Florence plays a SURGEON. That makes zero sense, she's only 26 and in real life would only have JUST finished med school. A "successful surgeon" implies someone in their mid-30s at the *earliest,* early-40s most likely lol
Lol maybe she was the female Dougie Howser
I thought the same. But also Harry Styles is playing a character older than him so it can be the case with Florence too. I can believe a 29 year old is a surgeon in a movie because plot reasons lmao
lmao i thought the same thing! in that scene where it showed her MD badge I was like, huh the math ain't mathing
Watching the movie, she had a huge NP name tag on lol she’s a nurse practitioner, and they often do assist the doctor in surgery.
But not only that, if she is a successful surgeon, you'd think that the hospital she works for would reach out and ask where she's been. Nobody looked for this woman? Her job is literally a matter of life and death!
My uncle was a lawyer and he says there is almost no way Jason Sudeikis would’ve been able to request the time and place that they serve Olivia except in a very indirect sense. That is to say, he might have been able to convince someone not to do it in front of his kids, which could’ve indirectly made it harder for them to serve find a time and place to serve her. If she had been avoiding them and hiding behind her kids they might have felt forced to take extreme measures like track her down at a public appearance.
a little thing that helps to know about j.s. serving o.w., from a child of divorce who was HEAVILY involved in her own parent's debacle: whenever you try to respond or to serve someone, the sheriff, company, or whatever gives you a form asking for the person's home and work address and hours they will be in each place. they will ALWAYS try the home a couple of times, but if they can't, they will go to the person's work. although, i don't know what company j.s. was using and how they go about. also, o.w. has been heavily criticized for being an absentee mother because she's been with h.s. on tour. and while i'm not saying that isn't wrong, the energy they give her should be equal to that of absentee fathers.
Facts.
Yeah I don’t fall for Olivia Wilde is an absentee mom OW is an unprofessional on set because HS fans literally have been saying that for a year because they don’t like when she shows up at concerts. HS fans are literally the devil they will not leave any woman seen with him ALONE
It's literally been leaked that J.S wanted them to serve her on stage lmao
@@ashleysmith746 Well, it’s not true because Jason don’t have any power to tell the server where to serve.
@@ashleysmith746 This reeks of k-pop idol stans going “But someone on instagram said oppa is innocent so he’s innocent!” like at the end of the day officials aren’t going to do something for the drama of it. It’ll get them into unnecessary trouble if the other side was legitimately available.
To be fair about the serving of papers, if a company was hired they really just try to get to people anyway they can. If it’s been difficult otherwise and they know that the person they are serving is at a public event, the server will get papers in the person’s hand by any means necessary. Though you’d think there was a ‘not on stage’ option.
Yup was gonna say the same thing. If a person has to be served in such a public manner it's usually because the person has dodged it and has made it difficult to get in contact with. I knew someone who got served at a wedding. So like these companies will find a way
In my opinion, bosses shouldn’t date their employees. It just opens the door to easy power imbalance and bias. It reeks of unprofessionalism. The timing of it all is sus.
Thank you! If we were taking about a male director dating a younger actor employed in his set, we would have seen this as a problem. Don’t know why Kennie didn’t comment on this.
People get served at work all the damn time. Olivia straight up lied about how that works, too, because the person serving the papers has no control over how or when they get served. She's also showing that, at best, she's extremely sheltered and privileged because almost every person I know of that's been served has been served at work. And at worst, she accidentally admitted she's the problem, because the people doing the serving try to make contact several other ways befofe resorting to your workplace.
I don’t think not knowing how the process works makes you a liar, sheltered or privileged. That doesn’t necessarily happen often, I think it’s not crazy to think she has never been served or seen someone get served. It is really that common of a thing? You’re right though, that the person serving probably had issues getting a hold of her and did it in a way where she could not leave suddenly. Whether she was dodging the papers on purpose, or was just a busy celebrity with good security keeping out the person doing the serving, that’s debatable.
the premiere of your movie is not the workplace...the likelihood of it being served in such a publicly humiliating way is far greater than "we tried serving her in every other way to no avail"
@@emerald-kl9st the person that serves the papers isn’t like hired by the other party. It’s a highly bureaucratic process. it seems much more likely to be bad timing than a purposeful way to embarrass her.
I think a lot of the drama around Olivia Wilde followed her from her first directoral job on Book Smart. She made lots of tweets at the time about how if people like women led movies they needed to go see it and seemingly blamed her followers when the movie didn't make as much money as she was hoping. I saw that movie in theaters and was still rubbed the wrong way by her weaponizing feminism to improve her own career. Her vibe is all very, "girl boss". Also, I don't care either way but I believe her ex's custody story. The individual serving any legal papers tends to be several chains away from the individual actually doing it.
Side tangent: I did not get Book Smart. As a lover of girly teen movies generally and someone who loves the whole set up of "pretentiously good and judgy student realises the popular kids are also smart and getting good grades and so re-evaluates their attitude", I found it just kinda underwhelming. The only bits I really remember are the bits I mix up with Never Have I Ever and the random stoner movie scene somewhere in the middle which was vaguely amusing but just really seemed to play into this "teens do random drugs at parties and I'm the Cool Adult because I Get It and also like drugs" weirdness that so many teen oriented things seem to now.
Like, it was marketed as a kind of feminist, girl oriented take on those 90s era teen hijinks movies where half the plot was some supposedly nerdy or burn out white dude committing vague sex crimes and the other half is a random and inexplicable romance story, which I guess it kinda was? But it was just kinda bland and didn't even do the hijinks very well. There were a few funny moments, but from the marketing I was expecting either a more based female perspective on the old tropes or at least a more original central plot than "two girl besties have a minor crisis then come back together when they realise Friendship TM is the most important thing"
it's so weird bc wilde's feminism used to feel so much more genuine. i almost feel like the success of book smart went to her head and made her feel like she's a lot more of a brilliant feminist mind than she actually is. its funny because i feel like if the harry styles character falling down the manosphere pipeline angle had been explored more, the 50s housewife aesthetics would feel more justified and like the movie was a response to the conflict between the relative progress that women have made in the present day vs the regressive ideologies that are promoted to men on the internet by selling them lies about what the world supposedly used to be like back when women were basically property. but because the internet pipeline thing is sort of brushed over, the aesthetic choices just end up feeling like a retread of very entry-level feminist rhetoric. idk maybe that makes sense only to me but i just feel like the 1950s white picket fence vibes were played a little too straight to feel relevant and refreshing. like dog we've seen stepford wives already you should have tried a little harder to update and expand upon that concept if you wanted this to be a relevant feminist commentary piece in the present day.
22:00 I heard a rumor that Florence wanted Olivia to hire an intimacy coach for her intimate scenes with Harry but that Olivia decided not to and things maybe got a bit weird, esp considering Harry and Olivia are dating
edit: I also heard that Harry possibly got paid 3x more than Florence...
Someone else said that 40 people came forward and said that the rumors were false. Other people gave contrary reasons and maybe that they were paid and whatnot and the person defending Wilde did make a compelling argument however I don't care about anyone involved so I'll just keep away from getting into arguments about this. There's much more pressing matters
Someone said? Who are the 40 people?
@@Kittycouture_xox People who were on the crew. It was in an article
@@Kittycouture_xox It's under the comment by Natalia Knight
Soooo…Stepford Wives 2022: The Virtual Re-up is essentially what this movie is🤣💀
The sad thing is this doesn't seem to be offering anything interesting to the conversation the original Stepford Wives had and that was in the 70's!
I said the same thing!
That's what I was thinking. Stepford Wives with just better technology
Literally! When I first saw the beginning of the trailer, I thought "Oh, is this going to be a Stepford Wives reboot?"
Okay so it wasn't just me who felt familiar when watching the trailer it definitely gave new Stepford wives
I just want to make you aware that jason was not responsible for how Olivia got served nor was he told how they were going to be delivered. That’s standard. The people that serve papers do not get paid until they complete the delivery and some don’t care how they do it cause really it doesn’t matter as long as they reach their destination. Olivia kept dodging and moving around which created a constant delay in those papers getting delivered. I’m guessing the person was sick of the constant failed attempts (caused by her) and just straight up did it that way once the opportunity presented itself.
That's what I heard too. I heard they tried 'multiple' times and she kept dodging them.
Thank you for saying this. Gone say it feels “abusive” on Jason’s part. Girl.
The bigger issue is that literally nobody would have known that she was served if she didn't release a statement. Everyone would have just thought it was a fan handing her a script or one of her representatives handing her something. She choose to throw the drama of her family into the eyes of the public, which is a lame movie.
@@jamk2668 Exactly!
How was she "dodging" it?
For me it’s not just that Olivia lied it’s that she tried to paint herself as a girl boss super hero girl supporting girl who fired Shia to protect Florence when that wasn’t the case lolol
Text messages from Florence and Shia were released and at least on there there doesn’t seem to be any animosity or bad vibes between them. From the looks of it there were conflicting schedules and other drama on set. Shia quit and Olivia tried to get him back. Then she lied and said he was fired which of course makes him look bad, and anybody caught in that scenario would want to clear that up. Apparently Florence was a huge fan of Olivia until she actually got to work with her. She tries to come off as a “girl’s girl” (gag) but she paid Harry $2 million while she only paid Florence 700k. Also apparently she was too busy with her romance with harry to focus on the job so Florence had to take the lead on the project. It’s all insignificant petty drama that keeps us all mildly entertained. You’re right it’s nothing life changing or ground breaking tho.
I saw the twist coming from a mile away. It gives off the vibe of a Twilight Zone episode, in that you aren't told what's happening at first, along with the protagonist. Arguably, WandaVision accomplished this similar plot much better.
Also The trailers and everything made it kinda obvious there was a twist imo or nothing is like it seemed
Yep it reminded me of Wanda vision right away
The whole "it was a simulation the whole time!" bit has been done so many times. I'm not mad about it, I'm just also not super excited about it I guess. Combined with the stepford wives bit, it can be interesting.
And they “foreshadowed” so much that midway through the film You were just like “Jesus yes we get it, move on”
Well spoilers, I didn't expect it to be a virtual world, I just thought they were brainwashed to come to this place irl to be part of a cult
I WAS WAITING FOR THIIIS
The drama, edits & usage of bodily fluids sorrounding this debacle sent my expectations for the actual movie in the Mariana Trench 💀
Sending love from Romania tho, your videos are an og obssesion of mine discovered in 2020 🤍
Omgg neataaa
Ma bucur ca si alti romani o apreciaza pe kennie😌✨💪
I honestly think Chris Pine and Harry Styles’ PR teams came together and made a deal to say nothing happened so they didn’t have to deal with Oscar Slap Part 2, cuz it sure fucking looked like something happened there. Like you said, that is definitely the face of a man who wants to deck somebody but can’t because there’s cameras on him.
i don’t think he did it mainly because harry and chris were joking with each other after the alleged “spit” and chris didn’t seem to know cameras were on them. i’ll try and find the clip!
edit: found it! it’s here: th-cam.com/users/shortsny4pbAuSulQ?feature=share
@@kenniesmusic This comment needs more attention. The original clip really does make it look like he spit on him, but then that clip you shared confirms to me that he didn't. You wouldn't joke like that with someone who spit on you earlier. At the end, Chris laughs pretty deeply and Harry is smiling. Doesn't seem like people who had so much beef that one of them just spit on the other. Thanks for sharing.
It doesn’t look like that at all
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Think you'll want to hear the latest: Kiki Layne and Ari'el Stachel have posted on social media after pretty much all their scenes were cut, making the one black woman a one-note device for the white lead, AFTER how in February 2021, Wilde said "[Kiki] has one of the most challenging roles in the film. A woman embodying completely opposite ends of the emotional spectrum. I'm blown away by her ability to be so vulnerable in one scene & playful the next. Kiki Layne is clearly a movie star."
(It's not all bad news, as Layne and Stachel began dating during the filming of Don't Worry Darling and are still happily dating; Kiki's post ends with"#GotMyCheck #GotMyMan #EverythingHappensforaReason")
Harry James Miller has two videos pre-spit and post-spit that give a breakdown of all the details while still acknowledging they are human and this is ridiculous.
@@thekneesbee just the fact that we have "pre" and "post" spit is hilarious tbh
My thoughts on this are that I think 2+ things can be true at once:
Olivia Wilde is one of the few female movie directors making movies today. She could possibly
1)have just gotten out of a toxic or even abusive relationship
2) be the target of a ton of misogynistic press coverage
3) have actually fired Shia for being abusive eventually
Olivia Wilde *could * also very well be a fake feminist who
1) probably sided with an abuser based on that video & the email exchanges
2) 100% thought covid regulations didn't apply to her on set (weirdly the only thing that has actually been proven)
3) possibly paid award winning professional actress Florence Pugh significantly less money than Harry Styles, her bf who in actuality has had very little experience acting in movies & just isn't anywhere near as critical or good in this movie as she is...a movie that is very ironically about a man who can't stand the fact his wife is wildly more successful than he is
4) chose to make a film that could have a really interesting premise if they went with literally anyone other than a gaslit white female character. Wanda Vision is better than this for a reason, Or look at the poc in this film & be like why do they have alterntive memories of the 50's
5) and finally went on & on about the sex in this movie being very female centered without actually justifying it in the context of this particular film (for example, is Harry's character better in the vr world than in real life??? If so, why exactly? I mean obvs he wants to be a sex god, because presumably he isn't in the real world, ok sure...but if he's suppposed to be as controlling & fucked up as the movie is trying to portray him as being you'd think he'd probably want to cum sometimes. Or is he supposed to be someone with a service sub fantasy???? Also, please explain that in trhe context of this film). I can see why this would drive Florence Pugh up a wall
From what I understand from the drama surrounding the movie one of the issues was Wilde paid Harry (the person she’s dating) 3x the salary of Florence a woman with an Academy Award nomination under her belt. Were it me I would also be pissed about that because it seems incredibly unethical to do that and I would have an issue with it were it a male director paying his female side piece more money if I were an Academy Award nominated actress. I don’t have a dog in the fight when it comes to Harry Styles except that I wish he would not try so hard for people to take him seriously like we can forget that he came up through a boy band and stop trying to get everyone to think he’s the second coming of Bowie by trying to make everything “art” when all it looks like is his stylist hates him and he has no taste to tell them put me in another outfit.
olivia doesn't choose the salary the studio does
I agree with a lot except coming from a boy band does not make you any less of an amazing artist or potential amazing artist. It does not mean you can never be great or that you never were.
I guess the real drama around this movie comes from the fact that a lot of One Direction fans REALLY want to believe that Harry Styles is secretly in love with one of his former bandmates, and the idea of him dating someone else (and a woman, no less) ruins that for them. So, they're out for revenge.
LMAO this is so funny and possibly so true
Oh yeah. There a tons of fan fiction between Harry and Louis.
The fujoshi's tripped by Harry's queerbating were quaking because of it, it's concerning these ppl have this much time at hand
Honestly, I’d be surprised if this wasn’t true
Oh so K-Pop fans type of drama.
I don’t care about Sudeikis, but it’s pretty normal for people to get served publicly if the target’s home is off limits (which it was) and if the target is particularly hard to get access to.
kennie please answer the most important question: DID IT FEEL LIKE A MOVIE???
11:52 the only part that you're missing is that there were rumors swirling around that Olivia was cheating on Jason with Harry while filming, which allegedly made everyone on set uncomfortable (Olivia has denied this I believe). Also as of today, articles are saying that Florence and Olivia had a "screaming match" in Florence's trailer
Kennie you are the anti-drama channel we need
Around Spring 2021 when I heard that Olivia was more or less ignoring her director duties and Flo stepped in and was helping the cast and grew get it together I thought, Oh this is messy.
One of the aspects about the drama I’ve heard is about Olivia Wilde’s choice to hire Nick Kroll, who’s father was hired to silence Harvey Weinstein’s victims and that she worked with and Anthony Kiedis years after it was public that he’d had sex with a 14 year old girl (Olivia wishes him a happy birthday every year and it’s kinda icky). So that mixed with her possibly lying about her firing Shia to protect Florence makes it look like she’s not as feminist as she wants to be perceived. Also when I went in the rabbit hole so many people were arguing the relationship between her and Harry is fake
Someone who works in the legal world here!! 😂 Jason had no control over where and when the documents are to be served. He hired the company to serve the papers, and they will serve them by any means necessary
i think the reason the adam levine drama blew up the way it did is because not only did he cheat on his pregnant wife but he wanted to name his unborn child AFTER HIS MISTRESS.. i think most people are just shocked at the sheer audacity bc i know i was 😭 men constantly lowering the bar
a lot of the drama is based around the fact that Olivia up until this point portrayed herself as some bastion of feminism and in that video she is very demeaning about putting "Miss Flo" in her place and it was very shocking to see, on top of the fact she lied about firing Shia but somehow jason sudeikis sucks for something he had no control over.
idk when Shia was hired for the movie but Olivia did publicly supported her in 2020 when FKA Twigs opened up about the relationship. He's also had a history of being violent with women, I've been hearing about stories about him since I was 16 and I'm now 23 so...
He also has a bad rep on sets since his Transformers era. It’s well known throughout Hollywood.
Hes always been a little nutty on set. I've heard it's part and parcel with him. Wilde definitely pulled some wierd moves
@@selwatchesyt Exactly. And people who work with him/in this industry obviously know more than us. They probably knew months or even years before it hit the tabloids.
Then why did she hire him and why was she surprised about his behaviour?
Chris Pine’s face after the “spit incident” looked like Brandy’s face during the VMA’s The Boy Is Mine performance with Monica, when Monica supposedly punched her before that performance…….they both looked pissed the hell off so I know some shit happened 👀
Edit: Chris Pine, I get all these Chris’s confused 🤣
girl chris pratt isn't even in this movie
@@theshard5697 my bad, I get all the Chris’s confused
@@Thegirarmy22 I get it. White bread boys are hard to tell apart. Just thought it was funny.
@@theshard5697 wow....really....now what would your thought be if I said that about other races....cmon now do better
@@crystalhelton6726 but there aren’t many black/POC actors with the same name so you can’t make that hypothetical example. But there are many white boy Chris’ in Hollywood though. Chris Pratt, Chris pine, Chris evans, Chris hemsworth. We can go on.
Here's the the thing: Shia and Olivia can both be problematic. One doesn't necessarily cancel out the other. If Shia was toxic, and Olivia wanted him back on set, and then went on to falsely take credit for firing him to protect Florence and the rest of the cast, then that's a problem. Protecting and maintaining an abuser in the workplace is participation in the abuse.
That being said, we don't know, and probably will never know, the full story. I just worry about the consequences of excusing toxic behaviour by people, regardless of gender.
If Jason was being cheated on during her film making, serving her papers while she presents said film is actually gorgeous. Love that.
True that is a bit of messy delicious karma, but I don't think he has any way over it.
I don't think it was intentional most servers will come to you anywhere at any time and they likely saw that she would be present so showed up to pass them over. But since he's a wealthy actor I guess he could have gotten them to do what he wanted?
Jason has cheated on his exes so Olivia didn’t really do anything wrong. Everyone in Hollywood is a cheater.
@@witchplease9695 idk anything abt these ppl. I do not care. However, the past is separate from this relationship. But all the scrutiny from this and the fact that he was cheated on is his karma if he did cheat in the past.
Karma is real and she is one hell of a bitch. And I love her.
they had been divorced for months, even before harry was last-minute casted. that rumor spread because people are determined to make olivia the villain in everything (not saying she's an angel, not by any stretch of the imagination) but this rumor is (easily) proven false - ya'll are running with it because you want her to look bad (and/or think jason is ted lasso)
I think you saying they’re all just coworkers is spot on. The vibe I get with Olivia and Florence is like…Olivia is that one person you don’t really love to talk to but they always run up to you and talk for an hour, Florence is just not really on her wavelength. They worked together, Florence didn’t see eye to eye on certain creative things, no strong feelings but probably doesn’t want to work with Olivia again. I’ve worked on a lot of theatre, and I know that feeling of “your work is fine, your ideas are fine, it’s just not really my thing” pretty well. I think something similar is happening here.
The other big thing is that the original screenplay is out there and it is so rough. The original was written by two men, the final movie version was a rewrite by Katie Silberman. It sounds like it got more coherent (having more than one female character, wow!) and overall relevant. But that original…hoo. Not sure even Florence’s acting could’ve saved it. Shallow, overblown, and the twist just had me wondering about logistics rather than caring about the story. Truly awful ❤
The whole reason I heard about this was because allegedly wilde was unprofessional. Her and Harry would keep the crew waiting, specifically Florence, show up late and leaving early. I thought thats what the drama was but i have to agree with Kennie, any other non famous person this is an average work day, whats the fuss?
What gets me is not the relationship between Olivia and Harry, it’s Olivia claiming to have made a lot of decisions on behalf of Florence and then begging for Shia Lebouf back and saying,” Miss Flow needs a wake up call” (paraphrased, in case someone discredits me just bc I put two quotes Olivia Wilde said in one)
@@Sweethearts4969 in what job do you all work where your coworkers skimp out on work to hook up with each other??
@@angelah6072 good point
I’m not sure the right conclusion was drawn from Wilde’s video. The problem is (and btw there were accusations of abuse against Shia from YEARS ago in regards to his relationship with Mia Goth, I believe) she said she had to “protect Florence” and was a “mother wolf” but in actuality she was trying to bring him back. She was setting herself up as this feminist who would protect a woman even at the cost of her own project, and the opposite was true. Does that somehow make Shia less bad? No, I don’t think we were ever talking about that though? I never once thought this showed Shia to be a good guy, just that Wilde isn’t either. We been knew Shia is garbage.
also from what i’ve heard olivia wilde was being inappropriate with harry styles on set?
@@toastshine they’re dating bruh
@@toastshine they’ve been dating like 3 year
I think she meant in regards of Shia trying to make himself look like a good guy in this situation because no one else thought he was “good”. If anything, people were bewildered how she got shown up by an abuser of all things.
Yeaaa I didn’t take it as “oh Shia is the good guy” more like Olivia is a liar. I’m not saying she’s evil or anything but she DID get caught in a lie and was pandering as you said acting as if she was “mother wolf” when she wanted him to stay. Also Shia said he quit cuz they couldn’t get on the same page about rehearsal times not because he and Florence weren’t getting along.
Tbh Olivia’s video makes it seem as if Florence was making rehearsal times difficult cuz she said something along the lines of Florence needing a “wake up call”
The entire time harry was on screen like every single time people started laughing. they were some scenes even I couldn't help but splurge out laughing with the rest but over all. he was okay and not that bad .performance wise he was unremarkable like I might forget about his performance after some time.
@M Yeah but this part could have been played by any other actor like anyone. whats the point of giving harry styles specifically tough? that part doesn't makes sense he was brutally outshined by Florence, Chris and Gemma as memorable performances.
Oooh this is one of the few times that I disagree with most of Kennie’s points.
I don’t believe that Olivia Wilde is being unfairly villainized , Some of her behavior is deserving of rebuke- and no I’m not a Harry stan nor do I live in Idaho 😉
I also do not believe that Jason Sudeikis had anything to do with when Olivia was served.
She 100% did not fact check some of the things she said in this one and it aged worse than milk because it’s so far behind.
@@biguattipoptropica Yes, it is incredibly irresponsible to spew that much misinformation to her large audience. I love Kennie but yikes
@@sammifarrar5601 yes, for sure, I was disappointed hearing some of her takes 😬
@@biguattipoptropica also, still not pleased with the "benefit of the doubt" for Jason, like wdym? Olivia literally just lied about what happened and what is standard procedure (or didn't know because she's a rich white woman, which doesn't endear me to her)
@@cass2379 Precisely. Like how she acknowledged Shia’s white man’s redemption tour but not Olivia’s white woman’s performative feminism act 🤷🏽♀️
Going into the tea a bit more: (was writing this up as you spoke so sorry if I say things you touched on later)
Presenting the custody papers: her ex had nothing to do with that, he has no say in when or how the company delivers the papers. She had been actively dodging them; if they don't give her the papers, they don't get paid. So yeah, after a month or two of that they serve them to her at a place she can't make a quick exit. And of course she took that opportunity to make it an 'attack on her' and on all women, somehow. This has happened to celebrities before, them getting served papers on red carpets etc because they simply couldn't get hold of them otherwise.
From what I can tell Florence is pissed that she poured her whole being into this like she always does and then all this bs drama began, and then on top of that the (non-consensual but hey let's call it female empowerment anyway) heavily sex-based marketing, which didn't even have any effect on the plot. Speaking of marketing, they banked like crazy on Styles' fanbase, to the point they would give out free tickets to fans for promoting the film, and apparently there wasn't an age restriction on that, meaning minors would have gotten involved in this. Then Wilde straight up threw Florence under the bus in that video Shia LaBeouf released. Apparently there were considerable rewrites as well, the cast barely had time to rehearse, Florence got paid less than Styles, AND she had to step in to direct and/or in the post-production process because Wilde was off being a groupie. So yeah, I'd be pissed too, seems Florence did not sign up for what this became.
Also, aside from indeed wanting a man who apparently made her female lead feel uncomfortable on set (quite understandably so, even before the lawsuit he was known to be... 'eccentric'), where she would have to do the aforementioned non-consenual sex scenes with him, Wilde straight-up lied about firing LaBeouf. She's also known for having connections to a bunch of very unsavoury people in the industry that I'm not going to get into specifics about because I might get shadowbanned, but tl;dr she's a fan of Polanski (not just in a 'separate the art from the artist' way, the whole package), and is friends with men that are known to have been 'besties' with minors (like Anthony Kiedis, if you want to pain yourself with that rabbithole). Then there's her touring the world with Styles both during filming and even more during post-production of the filming, when directors normally don't leave the editing room. Extremely unprofessional no matter how you look at it.
As for the whole Wilde/Styles thing, it seems like a pretty obvious PR relationship to me. It conveniently started when DWD's filming did, was ALL OVER the tabloids, and now after the disastrous Venice premiere break-up rumours are already popping up left and right, when a month ago those same tabloids were claiming their ever-present 'anonymous source' said they were totally defs for reals about to get married for the third time. Something ain't adding up there.
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About being served papers the way that works is the lawyers higher a service (this is a specific job people have). people do try to avoid being served and there are reports that was the case with Olivia wilde she was avoiding being served so they had to catch her where they could ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ They don't provide a play by play to the client who would actually be the lawyers so..
I’VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS ONE-I watched it in theater on friday and my first thought was “I need Kenny to make a video on this” 😭😭
The drama behind the scene :
- shia le boeuf axe : olivia alleged she fired him and was empowering flo based on his record and so she would be seen as a big feminist activist… while she was actually was begging him to stay and saying that is was florence fault and that would be a wake up call for her (in the video), which means she was standing with him.
- her ex fiance axe : the rumour or the problem is not that she started dating harry styles shortly after (which i agree that yes that’s the problem his fans have) but it’s that this is the case of a cheating person rumour, based on the following of event she was still with her fiancé while having an affair with the person she hired in her movie. The paper part is proven not to be his decision and it was a result of her not being reachable anywhere for a long time since she was travelling all the time with harry and has no stable place.
- the olivia wild / florence pugh qnd the rest of cast tension : allegedly there was some big problems and fights during the movie but that’s not confirmed, what is confirmed is that florence waent from saying this is a dream coming true like working with one of her idols … to zero interaction and refusing to say a hi to olivia . One of the known reason is that yes the movie was being reduced to the olivia/harry couple but the big part is that she signed for a movie dealing with all the gender sexism and sexual consent … while olivia was promoting the whole movie everywhere as being about female pleasure and how she wanted to have this very focused on women sex scenes … whoch is controversial since those scene are considered a rape because it was without consent.
As someone who watched the movie too, i would say the hype aroud the movie is bigger than the movie itself, it’s not the worst and it’s definitly not great either, it’s an enjoyable pop corn movie with good cinematography and great florence performance & ok harry performance with some over acting. The plot is a wallmart version of a movie called stepford wives, the ending is rushed and in my opinion a bit messy. It’s an ok movie to watch and not a film festival worthy.
I believe this fuss was intentional to promote the movie because without it nobody except maybe harry and florence fan would’ve watch it.
olivia wilde has a growing list of controversies that have made people look at her sideways anyway, but i think her previous controversies compounded with harry's fans being weird and the drama surrounding the movie, have made this a bigger issue than it probably would've been otherwise.
there's a lot to be said about olivia wilde, so i'd definitely look into it.
Jason sudekis isn’t a shit person - the process server does whatever the hell they need to do to get those papers served. It’s almost a meme at this point, the lengths the servers go to, to get ya!
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Thank you so much for watching this movie. I was unsure if I wanted to support this film and now I can at least know the plot. You da best, Kennie!
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I think Shia's point wasn't to defend him from being "hard to work with" and "combative" but rather refute Olivia's claim that he was fired because of that reason...as he showed she was asking him back after quitting...so yeah Olivia didn't care enough to fire Shia for being problematic but lied to win sympathy points
Edit. Also Shia pretty much owned that he was hard to work with on set 🤷🏻 and miss Olivia truly underestimated Shia's level of bs behaviour that one time
Olivia dating Harry gives me the boss dating an employee vibes. She got him the job, kinda feels like favoritism. Also the age gap is 10 years, if the genders were reversed would people find that weird? A 38 year old male director dating an inexperienced 28 year old actress in his movie? I just get weird vibes.
jason is like 10 yrs older than olivia too so I think people are ignoring the age gap bc u can’t rly side against olivia and with jason for the same reason. there def is favoritism tho bc harry isn’t really good at acting. if she hadn’t cast him there would be wayyy less “drama” tbh. dating harry brings hella negative attention on olivia
@@elthereall yeah there was an age gap there too, weird, but it adds another level of weird when one is the boss/director. Idk how Jason and Olivia met or anything but im talking purely Harry and Olivia rn
A 28 year old is a full on adult in every way, there is nothing problematic them dating someone 10 years older because they can handle that relationship. This is not like an 18 year old dating a 28 year old. Maturity gap between a 28 year old and a 38 year old isn’t that big. In fact, it’s pretty small.
That said, the problem with the relationship is that she’s his boss. Like we talk about male directors dating their actresses being problematic, this is just as much so even if it rarely happens.
@@crownofeunoia1907 I'm just saying that's the only "weird" vibe I get. Like it was said the drama is luke warm at best. A boss dating an employee 10 years younger is just weird. And it'd be just as weird if the roles were reversed. I get Harry is an adult
@@sydneyice not really, it happens all the time
The regal energy from the first shot of you. I am in awe. Pursue your rich auntie goals, queen.
look I don’t understand WHAT is going on, nor i plan on trying to understand but I will say this, the controversy surrounding the movie alone is the best form of advertising i have ever seen. My mother know about this movie and she doesn’t even speak english 😆
From my understanding Shia didn’t quit because he wasn’t getting along with Pugh, he said he quit because Olivia was terrible at scheduling rehearsals and he felt he wasn’t getting enough rehearsal time, and her saying he didn’t get along with Pugh was to take advantage of the court case he was in to dog pile on him for clicks. Now Olivia’s drama with Pugh was more than calling her “Miss Flo” in the video where she says that she accuses Pugh of being unprofessional and a diva onset and said she will get her back in line if Shia returned. These the facts for anyone else?
To speak on the issuing of the custody papers, I believe Jason. When my custody papers were issued to my ex I had no say over when or where it was going to happen. I simply gave my lawyer my ex’s home and work address and he passed it along to the process server.
As far back as 2015 there was evidence of Shia being abusive (there was a fight between him and Mia Goth filmed and he left, continued to be filmed, and basically said he would have killed her if they/the cam hadn't been there which........) and Olivia had worked with him before and said she had a really bad experience so trying to have him for a bit and then saying she asked him to go bc she was "mama bear" (her words) protective over Florence is uh. Olivia we have the proof that you weren't.
Plus saying "Miss Flo" needs a "wake up call" is very patronizing and victim blame-y, like Wilde is literally saying that Pugh needs to learn to accept the on-set abuse bc that's just how things are.
I feel like I stepped back from this whole "drama" because it was honestly just a pain. What I remember reading a few times was Olivia was cheating with Harry on set, Jason Sudekis found out about it and apparently it caused issues with Florence and her now ex Zach Braff which led to them breaking up and led to more drama between Florence and Olivia. There was also supposedly the stuff where Olivia promised Florence Shia was gone and she'd fired him but in actual fact he quit and she wanted him back, which is supposed to add to the drama between the two...
And I also read that apparently there was a pen or a marker on the seat and Harry knocked it onto Chris Pine and stained his suit which was the reason for the look. Goes to show how much people will run with these things.
So either way Chris Pine was ready to deck a mf and stopped because he was in public lol
Apparently part of the tea is that olivia wasn't broken up with js when she got with harry styles. Olivia apparently got weird about florence and harry doing scenes together
Olivia attempted to promote this movie DWD as being something feminist and sex positive but DWD ultimately glamorized r*pe and SA. And Olivia doing this + throwing Florence under the bus in favor of Shia LaBeouf is very sketchy on Olivia's part.
I'd love it if we as a society would all stop pretending that Harry Styles is a great actor. Is he bad? No, he's a very okay actor. But Florence Pugh is way too talented to be paired opposite such a mediocre actor, it really shows how much of a contrast there is. If HS really wants to keep acting, sticking within action or comic book movies is probably the best bet
“This movie… certainly was one.” *sips glass*
re: the Florence stuff
In her reaction to the casting announcement, Pugh called Wilde her idol and gushed about her but in all later posts simply called her the director which ppl have been reading into
“Although I am nosy, the only thing more so… is lazy” 💀
Yes, process servers do whatever to serve their docs with or without their client’s permission or input. Celebrities get served in weird places because their schedules are known.
there was also a lot about kiki layne getting cut from the movie despite her character being vital to the plot (and supposedly olivia got a lot of unnecessary screentime so that’s adding fuel to the fire). but kiki’s one of the only black actresses in the movie
I had read on line that Florence had to direct some scenes because apparently Olivia and Harry was so much into each other and it was distracting on set. 🤷🏾♀️
people aren't calling olivia out to defend shia, everyone knows and acknowledges that he's still a terrible person, they're calling her out because she was being shady towards florence who felt uncomfortable being around an a**ser and olivia still(even after florence complained and told her how she felt) went and started begging him to come back saying "i think this might be a bit of a wake up call for miss flo.".. if you don't know much about the drama don't speak on it, i usually agree with most of your takes but this isn't it.
Her hair in this video has VOLUME I tell you!
Your drama report is off.
Olivia Wilde was alleged to be messing around with Harry Styles while she was still in a relationship with Jason Sudeikis. They broke up after he found out.
Sudeikis probably didn't have anything to do with Olivia being served on stage. Process servers have to serve people in person after confirming your identity. If they have a hard time catching up with you, they will serve you at work.
Olivia Wilde is definitely lying about firing Shia LaBeouf. He quit because of the quick turn around time between being cast and beginning filming. He's had plenty of evidence proving so. He also has evidence that he's on good terms with Florence Pugh.
When you said "I'm nosy but more than that I'm lazy"
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