So nice to see your improvement, I also started playing tennis recently and I was blaming myself too much, then I read the book "The Inner Game of Tennis" which helped me a lot and now I acknowledge my mistakes but I allow myself to have fun and I just let it happen.
“The plus side, NO double faults. Not saying there were zero, probably 3-4” What does NO mean to you Kyle😂 Great video, I’d like to see more of Trey’s training and perspective in this series.
If he can, he should avoid playing on courts overshadowed with big tree branches because it can interfere with your tracking with the ball in the court and create blind spots also in the court as you can easily lose the ball going off into the dark shadows for a second or two and it takes the eyes a while to readjust to find the ball again.. So its not ideal to play on courts with uneven dark shadows. Courts should have even lighting on them.
@@gihan84 I don't worry about the number of double faults if its only 3-4 of them hit during a match.. What matters is not the number if its below double figures but WHERE in the match that are you making them. Are they being made when down in points or when up in points or on the important points or on the least important points. Doubles that are made on points like when we are up ahead at 15 0 or 30 0 or 40 0 that don't cost much we don't really worry about and just ignore it and continue playing the next point.. But making them when down 0 30 or 0 40 is not good and we try to avoid making them when way behind in points or behind in games in a set and try to make them instead when up ahead in points or in a set...
Great use of the “Price is Right” fail music! Love that audio clip :) Kyle, your forehand is coming along but don’t over think it in match play. There are many forehand shots required in tennis and during point play you don’t always get to hit the ideal topspin forehand every time. Work on Serve, Return, and footwork to win more matches. Trey, glad to hear that you have been hitting with a lefty. No faster way to improve your rally backhand and backhand return than hitting with a lefty on the reg ;)
nicely done, kyle! this is a great new series.... for spacing on the forehand, i had a great coach in spain tell me "you are running to the ball like it's your friend. the ball is not your friend. the ball is a bad dog. you need to keep a semi-circle around the bad dog with your left hand. get close to control it, but don't get bit. then hit the dog in the face with your racket!" while this does smack of animal cruelty, it did get me to visualize the perimeter of the ball that i wanted to stay clear of. because i also totally overran the ball all the time and had to crowd up that arm. other small point would be trying to take smaller steps when you get close to land on that right foot (i always say "yes" to myself when i "choose" that last right step) to push through the shot.
wow straight arm forehand tips from your coach was helpful a lot for me as a learner who tried to have a straight arm forehand. it is the first time i've heard about straight arm forehand tips on youtube. thank you.
1:15 LOL. We have all been thinking it and everyone knows it. 😂😂😂 7:00 Shorter steps. Tennis players need to be able to make small adjustments in positioning all the time.
My thoughts as well about the footwork. Large steps are great for moving long distances quickly but as you get closer to the ball you have to use smaller adjustment steps. Soccer players make great tennis players. I bet your coach played a fair bit of soccer.
I do the ball warm up with my son, except we use a 3kg medicine ball, works really well to get the feeling of using your whole body and shifting your weight forward.
This isn’t a neg to Trey but you have improved on fundamentals faster than he did. One or two breakthroughs on serve/forehand and you’ll be beating 3.5s regularly. Both of you are fast and need to shore up that volley play, it’s the biggest dividend paying skill given your athleticism.
Great progress Kyle, night and day from your last vid. Keep going my dude! Genuinely curious, between your 9-5s, tennis, and vloging, how do you guys find the time?
That palm spin is one of the weirdest instructions I've ever seen. This is going to cause wrist injury. You're not supposed to consciously apply wrist action like this. The looping motion of the lagging racket is going to induce that naturally.
Also I would ask your coach what to do with your left hand when hitting forehands because it looks like you don’t quite know what to do with it after you let go of the racquet. Seems to kinda get in the way but I could be completely wrong. I’m not a coach just a fellow tennis lover 😁
Love love the progress!! However have you considered changing racquets? I don’t think the pro staff is the right fit for you and what you’re trying to achieve. I’m not sure what racquet but I have a feeling that a Wilson frame is not best for you 👍🏻
I don't mean to offend your coach, but I would seriously try a slightly-bent forehand (watch Sinner, Djokovic, Wawrinka, Thiem, Kyrgios, Jack Sock, etc). You look really uncomfortable and unnatural. There's really only a very few on tour that had it that straight (Alcaraz, Federer); a straight-arm forehand is actually unconventional. It should only straighten after contact and through extension right before it relaxes, and even then it doesn't have to. Also the key to tennis is being really loose and free (especially groundstrokes and serve). When you're straightening your arm that much, you're way too tight and tense. It's hard to be successful like that.
I agree with the recommendation to use a slightly bent forehand. You should only use a straight arm if it comes natural to you. There are TONS of tennis videos on TH-cam on this subject and the consensus is that straight or bent arm for forehand doesn't really gave an advantage over the other. If you use a bent arm forehand, just make sure it isn't TOO bent, otherwise you will be crowding the ball and losing power efficiency.
'Young Trey & I' Let me give you the ten-second fix to never get this wrong again. Forget the other person. Would you say 'Here's a picture of I' or 'Here's a picture of me.' Always use whichever one you would use WITHOUT the other person. So, it's 'Young Trey and me' in this case. I AM SORRY EVERYONE but this mistake drives me nuts. Anyway - good luck. Attack his backhand.
th-cam.com/users/clipUgkxaZkZ5erbdEr4vBLCv84YQQX8pFqRAUN0?si=I6yltZrRYjBKGaaj. This is the kind of smooth movement I expected to see from a D1 basketball player. You gotta look at this clip and ask yourself why does this disappear when a tennis racket is in my hand? 🤔 I’d bet that few 6’5 pro tennis players could beat you in a pure athletic agility and speed test. Yes in tennis specific footwork drills they’d beat you. But just as they say in basketball “You can’t teach tall”. You’ve got a raw athletic ability that the majority of tennis players will never have no matter how hard they train. And when you learn to channel this ability on the tennis court you’ll be a monster. 😮 One reason some people have trouble making enough space between their bodies and the tennis ball is that all their lives, especially if they played baseball, they were taught to get their bodies in front of the incoming ball especially when fielding grounders. Subconsciously you see a tennis ball as a one hop grounder. Here is a simple idea. Try on purpose making yourself set up a step too far/short from the ball on the forehand side and see what happens. Remember it’s far easier to take a step forward at the last second than it is backwards. Plus forwards you still have your weight and momentum going towards the ball, a good thing. A last second backwards step takes your weight and momentum away from the ball. A terrible thing. 😢
th-cam.com/users/clipUgkxb9hsttSf-uz8jmcKoNKGYJorDrDQ2sVN?si=Gf2K0nmmv9P21iq2 This scene is straight out of a Third grade P. E. class. It’s the equivalent of someone with a Masters degree in mathematics being asked what’s 1 + 1, and then going Ooh! when told the answer is 2. Kyle you should be asking yourself why does my coach need to point out something so obvious? As a D 1 basketball player you represent the top 1% of all the kids who played high school basketball. You have so much athletic knowledge your just not applying to tennis. The problem is most people come into tennis thinking it’s a hard sport to learn. This gives them a ready excuse to make even the most basic physical skills seem difficult because “Ooo it’s a tennis skill it’s gotta be difficult!” Look at tennis skills for what they are. Nobody’s making you pirouette on your tippy toe like a ballerina. The only thing that is a problem is the unfamiliarity you have at doing them. Every new skill has a element of uncomfortableness to it. Use your superior athletic IQ and apply it to learning tennis. You shouldn’t be having these “Duhh” moments. Don’t drink the “Tennis is Difficult “ Kool-Aide and it will make everything much easier.
Haha this is a good point about making tennis seem like a foreign language. However I think he was bringing such a simple thing up because it is an interesting feel to think about, even though it is such basic knowledge. I think for me those things are valuable because as I try to develop repetition, there needs to be a couple things I feel in my swing that check the box for the sake of consistency. If I tell myself to "be an elite athlete" I may make fast growth at the beginning, but its setting me up for failure later on. I am trying to develop the correct form and build a consistent swing, and that requires, to a certain extent, dumbing things down to a basic level
@ I really want to see you pass Trey. If there’s anything I’d say you just have to change to have any chance to to fulfill your potential it is to adopt a CONTINENTAL GRIP for every stroke other than your topspin forehand. If the vast majority of 2HBH pros, college, junior, or any advance player use this grip on every stroke other than topspin forehands why aren’t you?! 🤔☹️😢 Treys inability to use this grip on anything but his serve is a roadblock to his game development that will allow you to catch up and pass him. Yes it will take a One step back sacrifice but will pay off with multiple steps forward. You mentioned you gotta simplify your game. What’s easier than learning just two grips instead of 3 or 4 and having to decide which to use when your under great time pressure. You’ll only losing a couple of months of time invested in using improper grips. Trey has 2 years invested in incorrect volley and overhead grips. Mentally and physically it will be much harder for him to change, frankly I don’t want him to change until after you surpass him and then he has to catch you up. Please show this to your coach or any qualified tennis professional and ask them if this is bad or Sage advice and if I’m just some crackpot commenter.
My plea for you to adopt a Continental Grip grip is the equivalent to going back in time and trying to convince a young you to stop using a two handed chest shot to shoot a basketball and instead adopt a one handed overhead release. Imagine if you never made this switch when you were a developing basketball player. You’d never have come close to reaching your basketball potential. And becoming a D1 college player. It would have been out of the question, hell you’d have been lucky to make your HS team as a pure rebounder / project player. Yes I am harping on Continental Grip use but like switching your basketball shot technique was a pivotal occurrence for your basketball career so is your adoption of the Continental Grip. The future of your tennis development rests on this change/decision. 😮 (The easy way to find the Continental Grip is to imagine the racket edge is the head of a hammer or ax. This is why it’s also called the Chopper grip. One of its main advantages is it presents a usable racket face in both forehand and backhand without a grip change. This is invaluable at the net.) Of course if you don’t know how to properly hold a hammer or ax the bevel system will have to be used after you turn in your Man Card . 😂
@@Dasato123I know that I am supposed to be in continental grip at the net, I just don't have enough reps. So when I find myself at the net mid match, I just panic and have no technique or anything. I have essentially put in zero net work in up until this point. I at least know what I should do, but i haven't had the time to develop it yet
Ahahahaha I’m dead… Trey flew us down, an inside job to restrict your improvement
😂😂😂
So nice to see your improvement, I also started playing tennis recently and I was blaming myself too much, then I read the book "The Inner Game of Tennis" which helped me a lot and now I acknowledge my mistakes but I allow myself to have fun and I just let it happen.
Great book! Must read for all tennis players but has many applications to life in general as well!
“The plus side, NO double faults. Not saying there were zero, probably 3-4”
What does NO mean to you Kyle😂
Great video, I’d like to see more of Trey’s training and perspective in this series.
If he can, he should avoid playing on courts overshadowed with big tree branches because it can interfere with your tracking with the ball in the court and create blind spots also in the court as you can easily lose the ball going off into the dark shadows for a second or two and it takes the eyes a while to readjust to find the ball again.. So its not ideal to play on courts with uneven dark shadows. Courts should have even lighting on them.
It was literally impossible to see the ball during that match - Trey
No double faults, just probably 3 or 4. Lololol what
@@gihan84 I don't worry about the number of double faults if its only 3-4 of them hit during a match.. What matters is not the number if its below double figures but WHERE in the match that are you making them. Are they being made when down in points or when up in points or on the important points or on the least important points. Doubles that are made on points like when we are up ahead at 15 0 or 30 0 or 40 0 that don't cost much we don't really worry about and just ignore it and continue playing the next point..
But making them when down 0 30 or 0 40 is not good and we try to avoid making them when way behind in points or behind in games in a set and try to make them instead when up ahead in points or in a set...
that’s just a winners mentality lmao
I'm going to be applying Kyle's incredible galaxy brain definition of "no double faults" to all of my shortcomings from here on out.
Great use of the “Price is Right” fail music! Love that audio clip :) Kyle, your forehand is coming along but don’t over think it in match play. There are many forehand shots required in tennis and during point play you don’t always get to hit the ideal topspin forehand every time. Work on Serve, Return, and footwork to win more matches. Trey, glad to hear that you have been hitting with a lefty. No faster way to improve your rally backhand and backhand return than hitting with a lefty on the reg ;)
this series rules
nicely done, kyle! this is a great new series.... for spacing on the forehand, i had a great coach in spain tell me "you are running to the ball like it's your friend. the ball is not your friend. the ball is a bad dog. you need to keep a semi-circle around the bad dog with your left hand. get close to control it, but don't get bit. then hit the dog in the face with your racket!" while this does smack of animal cruelty, it did get me to visualize the perimeter of the ball that i wanted to stay clear of. because i also totally overran the ball all the time and had to crowd up that arm. other small point would be trying to take smaller steps when you get close to land on that right foot (i always say "yes" to myself when i "choose" that last right step) to push through the shot.
ASAF is full of so much wisdom
wow straight arm forehand tips from your coach was helpful a lot for me as a learner who tried to have a straight arm forehand. it is the first time i've heard about straight arm forehand tips on youtube. thank you.
Gary’s interviews 10/10 can’t wait to see more from him
Woah, 3:40 your back hand looks better than your brothers. Bruh, you are improving fast, but most importantly YOU are improving YOU! WPWP
The secret is in the beard.
Trey not even showing what books he's reading, he ain't giving an inch.
Unfortunately kyle cant read
1:15 LOL. We have all been thinking it and everyone knows it. 😂😂😂
7:00 Shorter steps. Tennis players need to be able to make small adjustments in positioning all the time.
My thoughts as well about the footwork. Large steps are great for moving long distances quickly but as you get closer to the ball you have to use smaller adjustment steps. Soccer players make great tennis players. I bet your coach played a fair bit of soccer.
I do the ball warm up with my son, except we use a 3kg medicine ball, works really well to get the feeling of using your whole body and shifting your weight forward.
Great progress! Your backhand is looking solid.
This isn’t a neg to Trey but you have improved on fundamentals faster than he did. One or two breakthroughs on serve/forehand and you’ll be beating 3.5s regularly. Both of you are fast and need to shore up that volley play, it’s the biggest dividend paying skill given your athleticism.
Great progress Kyle, night and day from your last vid. Keep going my dude! Genuinely curious, between your 9-5s, tennis, and vloging, how do you guys find the time?
We don't sleep
would love to know the answer to this as well^!
That palm spin is one of the weirdest instructions I've ever seen. This is going to cause wrist injury. You're not supposed to consciously apply wrist action like this. The looping motion of the lagging racket is going to induce that naturally.
Kyle, Your feet just don't move. You're so stiff. Need to just trust yourself, keep your feet light and let your rhythm flow. Don't be a robot.
Also I would ask your coach what to do with your left hand when hitting forehands because it looks like you don’t quite know what to do with it after you let go of the racquet. Seems to kinda get in the way but I could be completely wrong. I’m not a coach just a fellow tennis lover 😁
Love love the progress!! However have you considered changing racquets? I don’t think the pro staff is the right fit for you and what you’re trying to achieve. I’m not sure what racquet but I have a feeling that a Wilson frame is not best for you 👍🏻
tbh, everyones form is better in their rallies compared to actual matches lol
Nice progress! See you at the tournament in San Antonio.
Same!
I don't mean to offend your coach, but I would seriously try a slightly-bent forehand (watch Sinner, Djokovic, Wawrinka, Thiem, Kyrgios, Jack Sock, etc). You look really uncomfortable and unnatural. There's really only a very few on tour that had it that straight (Alcaraz, Federer); a straight-arm forehand is actually unconventional. It should only straighten after contact and through extension right before it relaxes, and even then it doesn't have to. Also the key to tennis is being really loose and free (especially groundstrokes and serve). When you're straightening your arm that much, you're way too tight and tense. It's hard to be successful like that.
I agree with the recommendation to use a slightly bent forehand. You should only use a straight arm if it comes natural to you. There are TONS of tennis videos on TH-cam on this subject and the consensus is that straight or bent arm for forehand doesn't really gave an advantage over the other. If you use a bent arm forehand, just make sure it isn't TOO bent, otherwise you will be crowding the ball and losing power efficiency.
'Young Trey & I' Let me give you the ten-second fix to never get this wrong again. Forget the other person. Would you say 'Here's a picture of I' or 'Here's a picture of me.' Always use whichever one you would use WITHOUT the other person. So, it's 'Young Trey and me' in this case. I AM SORRY EVERYONE but this mistake drives me nuts. Anyway - good luck. Attack his backhand.
What are your racket/string specs?
Flex Your Tricep While Hitting A Forehand??? What???
Yeah absolutely atrocious advice.
I am in Houston, hit me up I can also give you tons of tips to beat your bro, been playing a lot with former colleague players lately
First heh
th-cam.com/users/clipUgkxaZkZ5erbdEr4vBLCv84YQQX8pFqRAUN0?si=I6yltZrRYjBKGaaj. This is the kind of smooth movement I expected to see from a D1 basketball player. You gotta look at this clip and ask yourself why does this disappear when a tennis racket is in my hand? 🤔 I’d bet that few 6’5 pro tennis players could beat you in a pure athletic agility and speed test. Yes in tennis specific footwork drills they’d beat you. But just as they say in basketball “You can’t teach tall”. You’ve got a raw athletic ability that the majority of tennis players will never have no matter how hard they train. And when you learn to channel this ability on the tennis court you’ll be a monster. 😮 One reason some people have trouble making enough space between their bodies and the tennis ball is that all their lives, especially if they played baseball, they were taught to get their bodies in front of the incoming ball especially when fielding grounders. Subconsciously you see a tennis ball as a one hop grounder. Here is a simple idea. Try on purpose making yourself set up a step too far/short from the ball on the forehand side and see what happens. Remember it’s far easier to take a step forward at the last second than it is backwards. Plus forwards you still have your weight and momentum going towards the ball, a good thing. A last second backwards step takes your weight and momentum away from the ball. A terrible thing. 😢
th-cam.com/users/clipUgkxb9hsttSf-uz8jmcKoNKGYJorDrDQ2sVN?si=Gf2K0nmmv9P21iq2 This scene is straight out of a Third grade P. E. class. It’s the equivalent of someone with a Masters degree in mathematics being asked what’s 1 + 1, and then going Ooh! when told the answer is 2. Kyle you should be asking yourself why does my coach need to point out something so obvious? As a D 1 basketball player you represent the top 1% of all the kids who played high school basketball. You have so much athletic knowledge your just not applying to tennis. The problem is most people come into tennis thinking it’s a hard sport to learn. This gives them a ready excuse to make even the most basic physical skills seem difficult because “Ooo it’s a tennis skill it’s gotta be difficult!” Look at tennis skills for what they are. Nobody’s making you pirouette on your tippy toe like a ballerina. The only thing that is a problem is the unfamiliarity you have at doing them. Every new skill has a element of uncomfortableness to it. Use your superior athletic IQ and apply it to learning tennis. You shouldn’t be having these “Duhh” moments. Don’t drink the “Tennis is Difficult “ Kool-Aide and it will make everything much easier.
Haha this is a good point about making tennis seem like a foreign language. However I think he was bringing such a simple thing up because it is an interesting feel to think about, even though it is such basic knowledge. I think for me those things are valuable because as I try to develop repetition, there needs to be a couple things I feel in my swing that check the box for the sake of consistency. If I tell myself to "be an elite athlete" I may make fast growth at the beginning, but its setting me up for failure later on. I am trying to develop the correct form and build a consistent swing, and that requires, to a certain extent, dumbing things down to a basic level
@ I really want to see you pass Trey. If there’s anything I’d say you just have to change to have any chance to to fulfill your potential it is to adopt a CONTINENTAL GRIP for every stroke other than your topspin forehand. If the vast majority of 2HBH pros, college, junior, or any advance player use this grip on every stroke other than topspin forehands why aren’t you?! 🤔☹️😢 Treys inability to use this grip on anything but his serve is a roadblock to his game development that will allow you to catch up and pass him. Yes it will take a One step back sacrifice but will pay off with multiple steps forward. You mentioned you gotta simplify your game. What’s easier than learning just two grips instead of 3 or 4 and having to decide which to use when your under great time pressure. You’ll only losing a couple of months of time invested in using improper grips. Trey has 2 years invested in incorrect volley and overhead grips. Mentally and physically it will be much harder for him to change, frankly I don’t want him to change until after you surpass him and then he has to catch you up.
Please show this to your coach or any qualified tennis professional and ask them if this is bad or Sage advice and if I’m just some crackpot commenter.
My plea for you to adopt a Continental Grip grip is the equivalent to going back in time and trying to convince a young you to stop using a two handed chest shot to shoot a basketball and instead adopt a one handed overhead release. Imagine if you never made this switch when you were a developing basketball player. You’d never have come close to reaching your basketball potential. And becoming a D1 college player. It would have been out of the question, hell you’d have been lucky to make your HS team as a pure rebounder / project player. Yes I am harping on Continental Grip use but like switching your basketball shot technique was a pivotal occurrence for your basketball career so is your adoption of the Continental Grip. The future of your tennis development rests on this change/decision. 😮
(The easy way to find the Continental Grip is to imagine the racket edge is the head of a hammer or ax. This is why it’s also called the Chopper grip. One of its main advantages is it presents a usable racket face in both forehand and backhand without a grip change. This is invaluable at the net.) Of course if you don’t know how to properly hold a hammer or ax the bevel system will have to be used after you turn in your Man Card . 😂
@@Dasato123I know that I am supposed to be in continental grip at the net, I just don't have enough reps. So when I find myself at the net mid match, I just panic and have no technique or anything. I have essentially put in zero net work in up until this point. I at least know what I should do, but i haven't had the time to develop it yet