@@dreDDupman, thats a good debate. i mean as soon as we started hitting logs with sticks one could argue the genre of industrial was born, but at the same time i consider kraftwerk techno, but not so much industrial. i guess the term industrial itself is older than the term punk too, but being that punk is more of an anti-conformist attitude one could argue that its been around as long as religion. when you google "first industrial music" the wikipedia says it was throbbing gristle in 1976 (i dont agree but who am i to disagree) well we already had the mc5, iggy pop, the velvet underground, the ramones, and the sex pistols by then (and the clash around the same time) all of which are connected atleast loosely to punk/proto-punk. anyways, love your work and thanks for making me think about this. edit: the more i think about it the more i want to consider the first "real" industrial those little wind up music boxes that usually have a ballerina that dances inside of them.
@@megaflux7144 How would we live in a society without Wikipedia articles to guide us through life? :D :D :D Musique Concrete (which was a real proto-industrial movement) was already there in 30s and 40s. The term un-music, non-music, industrial sounding music..... was already there before Iggy and the rest were born. Anyway, that all is not so much important, that's just history - the important stuff is that we got to enjoy all the world's music. :) There is plenty of forgotten stuff out there that we discover on everyday basis which changes our perception of music history constantly. Also, there are numerous artists and pioneering musicians which were making electronic music in 40s, especially for SF movies and radio drama shows, later in 50s there were interesting albums with experimental and weird electronics. 80% of that sounds like something Einsturzende Neubauten or Throbbing Gristle made 20 and 30 years later. You just need to dig and dig. Punk attitude was already there in John Waters early movies. There was a lot going on that was sadly poorly documented by mainstream media, but there were always people who were tracking art and writing stuff down so we today can know anything about it. I love the good debate also! :) Take care my friend
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punk has ALWAYS influenced industrial..
Punk attitude, yes. :) Industrial as a musical genre is older than punk.
@@dreDDupman, thats a good debate. i mean as soon as we started hitting logs with sticks one could argue the genre of industrial was born, but at the same time i consider kraftwerk techno, but not so much industrial. i guess the term industrial itself is older than the term punk too, but being that punk is more of an anti-conformist attitude one could argue that its been around as long as religion. when you google "first industrial music" the wikipedia says it was throbbing gristle in 1976 (i dont agree but who am i to disagree) well we already had the mc5, iggy pop, the velvet underground, the ramones, and the sex pistols by then (and the clash around the same time) all of which are connected atleast loosely to punk/proto-punk. anyways, love your work and thanks for making me think about this. edit: the more i think about it the more i want to consider the first "real" industrial those little wind up music boxes that usually have a ballerina that dances inside of them.
@@megaflux7144 How would we live in a society without Wikipedia articles to guide us through life? :D :D :D Musique Concrete (which was a real proto-industrial movement) was already there in 30s and 40s. The term un-music, non-music, industrial sounding music..... was already there before Iggy and the rest were born. Anyway, that all is not so much important, that's just history - the important stuff is that we got to enjoy all the world's music. :) There is plenty of forgotten stuff out there that we discover on everyday basis which changes our perception of music history constantly. Also, there are numerous artists and pioneering musicians which were making electronic music in 40s, especially for SF movies and radio drama shows, later in 50s there were interesting albums with experimental and weird electronics. 80% of that sounds like something Einsturzende Neubauten or Throbbing Gristle made 20 and 30 years later. You just need to dig and dig. Punk attitude was already there in John Waters early movies. There was a lot going on that was sadly poorly documented by mainstream media, but there were always people who were tracking art and writing stuff down so we today can know anything about it. I love the good debate also! :) Take care my friend
@@dreDDup funny, i have always wished f.m. einheit had done just 1 song with isao tomita for the beautiful cacophony it would have been. safe travels.