People who are complaining about him not ranking stuff according to story content and stuff like that,give me an answer.Once you finish it,are u actually going to touch it again? Its doable with any champion too,i literally used Wasp,Superior Iron Man,Kamala Khan and stuff like those to have fun and guess what,i can still get story content done. Story content only matters until u explore the chapter,after that u dont even touch it for half a year. Battlegrounds and Alliance War are the gamemodes that are always here and u always have to do it. That is why it is given more importance. I am not that skilled but i explored 8.3 on my alt from act 1 in 49 days in my alternate account,story content is that big of a joke,i didnt even spend that much,maybe 30 dollars.
Dunno why peeps get so butthurt with these tier lists. 😂 KT always mentions that these tier list are based solely for relevant end game content. Hence no one cares about whether your “top” champ can clear EQ, AQ and act 8 surprisingly well. Any champ can do that.
I understand your point of view but not even honoravle mention of wiccan? He might be trash defender but against buff heavy matchups like wiccan he is really good on attack
I really want to start trying our Chavez finally got her as a six star and want to understand what the hype is all about although I feel it’s a little too late with high ranking 7 stars everywhere so idk I’m torn
Top 10 Mystic Champs 1. Kushala 2. Juggernaut 3. America Chavez 4. Sasquatch 5. Werewolf by Night 6. Tigra 7. Abs Man 8. Doom 9. The Hood 10. The Destroyer
Good i have duped kushala r3 then and dupes juggs r2 but chawez unduped r1 was planning to r2 today tho. Werewolf is unduped r2 been while like him lot too thinked even r3 can make 3 r3 atm but gonna make one mystic only now more
I understand 7 stars are in the game and as of now you can r3 them which has crazy high health and attack rating but that doesn't mean that you have to give less importance to a champion ability and utility Battlegrounds is not the only thing in mcoc there are aw,aq,quest,side quest, main content, marathon content, I request you to consider champion abilities first as those extra attack and health are not gonna help it's those champions who are and will be carrying your team,those champs matter
I don't understand why in other classes, the top 6 stars are in the first 5 places, and Doom is failing that badly? He s in the same caliber as NF or Nimrod, Scorpion, etc
He's still incredibly powerful when fight time is not a factor and he's not facing some of the recent meta defenders designed to counter him. Those factors have been in play for a while (think Hulkling era) and now the 7* factor is exacerbating it. But I have maxed my 6* Doom and will still enjoy him as long as possible.
I’m surprised that Wiccan didn’t make it. I think Wiccan is a better version of Hood and available as a 7*. Wiccan can negate buffs (like hood), heals (like hood), and incinerates opponents (compared to Hoods burst damage). Both do very similar things but Wiccan can go to rank 3 and higher eventually. Agree with your list other than Hood 👍
Also, controversial. But arguably Kindred over Sasquatch. And I love Sasquatch. Why? Kindred is one of the handful of characters that if awakened can win you a match even if the opponent has the best kindred defender. He’s the number one mystic defender IMO. Sassy is hard. And the healthpool alone. And a more generally good offense. But Kindred easy top 10 for being best mystic defender.
@@LarryDiamond-te3yt If that were the case Bullseye would be top 10 worthy, but he isn't. Strict defenders do not deserve to be in the top of the rankings if they have little to no use elsewhere.
@@Prismane_1269 are they taking more damage than most fights? Is yours awakened? If so what sig? Ascended 6 star sig 200 are tough for me. Kind of like Serpents.
I’ve 2, rank 3 mystics, America and Kushala. Kushala is not awakened. Still worth it. Incredibly versatile. And the block unblockable so valuable. Soul barb. Regen (not sure if iron fist relic needed). Incinerate. No regrets taking her up. Sasquatch being so tanky, and tricky. Can have a great fight against him, but not always, will probably always have a place. I do disagree a bit about the fun part. But also agree. Part of fun about a champ is we use them effectively. But I find, for rank 3, it’s super impt. For the rarest rank ups, I’m definitely considering fun. That being said, I ranked your number 1 and 2. Thankfully both very fun. And I like the character back story as well. Like another comment, I do feel Wiccan is…in top 10 area. Only neutralize champ released as 7 star. The star block helps a lot. But he’s top 10 for me because of neutralize, super useful.
I got kushala duped r3 but america chavez unduped r1 gonna r2 her today just wondering how much her dupe makes her better. Then have duped juggs and unduped chawez and werewolf and one go r3 atleast cause can make 3 more r3 atm
If you play bgs doom is trash otoh chavez is a absolute nuke very versatile a good defender so she is #1 mystic in this game I think doom doesn't deserve an honourable mention
@@MCOC_concepts if you are cav or tb doom is extremely good I am not denying that but when when you complete all the story quests he's trash you won't use him anywhere after act 7 i never used him
Doom to me was always a champion you brought in for a certain use. He's not really fun to play apart from the doom slap, he's slow, doesn't do great damage outside of the doom cycle, and even with the cycle if you compare to others. Haven't used him properly in like a year, also haven't ascended him because there's no point in doing so.
Out of all the class list this is one I disagree with most. Doom is still great, tigra is way too high. Juggs is great but there are way too many easy ways to shut him down. Also cosmic class should have been ahead of mystic imo.
@@waynewayne8419 every other awesome champ that has been impacted by funky AI was drastically downgraded. Many other champs not available as 6* downgraded.
@@ryanquinn7045 yeah true but tigra still holds immense value, not as much as she used to but she’s a monster still, last season she was the best attacker with Kate and this season she performs well.
@@adhamanwar4114yeah, I don't even use him anymore. Same with blade and kitty. And going further back, Star Lord, Magik, SW, the list of previous meta champs is quite long. Metas change!
Not everyone plays BG....Some may only be AW oriented. Bunch of morons still following and trying out new things... It is like saying new cars are more durable than Vitnage cars. 🤣
I disagree. Kushala has Unblockable counter Block damage regen Ability power rate reduction(45% max) Dual immunity these are her main utilities 0 defensive value slightly slow,although acceptable considering the matchup pool she takes. now for Chavez Stun on demand Reduce opponent power rate by 100% with 2 heavies Regenerate a lot of health via blue dimension if u make mistake Practically nullify so many of the cosmic buffs Energy Resistance More defensive value More speed Counters most of what Kushala does too,Amazing Serpent counter,Amazing Maestro counter Does not interact with buffs or debuffs Chavez is a more simple champion,its easier to pick her up(dont think of it the wrong way lol),and she allows more mistakes in.Add that to the dodgy special and smart AI,and she becomes a very good defender too,u cant really push her to sp2,and if she has dimension active u will have to constantly make her use sp1,1 combo and bait style
@@waynewayne8419 what nodes besides high energy diet? Besides chavez also gets kinda shutdown by stun immune. And tbh i think Kushala does a lot more matchups well, like domino and korg for example.
@@crickthefreak3383 I just value the unblockable counter in combination with the block regen higher than any of chavez utility. Besides Kushala also has energy resistance, she increases her own AA making her a great option for domino and her powergain when you have a high switch relic is insane. She's definitely harder to master and kind of a dud on defense I'll give you that. Although the few times i had to throw her on def in BGs somehow people managed to die against her, but dont ask me how.
@@priyamved9577 holds 0 value for aq, bgs or aw, he’s not just a little slow, he’s slow, doesn’t have useful immunities anymore, power control compromises kill speed even further, overly reliant on sp3 for relevant damage, overly reliant on ai manipulation and look let’s just accept that neutralise is more useful the “nullify” considering most cosmics release with an inherent immunity power control and/or nullify. No, tell me more about how you still haven’t completed act 6 so you have no appropriately acceptable opinion on the matter.. at this stage if a mystic champion is feeding maestro instead of countering any of his abilities that mystic champion has officially stepped 2-3 ranks down the list in replacement of mystics that weren’t that great but now are great because they will counter important defenders.
@@arjishchowdhury1898 I am valiant and sitting on 2 more r3 7*s till I get the right dupes, do you want to see my roster so you can then confirm for a fact that I have no real use for a doom on my account? Even though I have one ranked up that I can use to actually TEST my opinions.. You know instead of just saying “trust me bro” when I don’t even have a ranked up doom to know the difference nor the ability to accurately argue my case without assuming I’m smarter than everybody else and therefore I need not be explain myself appropriately. I did explain myself clearly, and I’ve given the opportunity for one of you to challenge me in pms and prove that doom is better than I say he is however even if any of you had the balls, nobody alive has the skill to make it work against me because doom isn’t actually just way too slow! 🤣🤣🤣
Doctor Doom at #10? Yeah bro, I'm not watching the rest of this video. That is a borderline demented opinion. You need to stop viewing everything from a Battlegrounds perspective, I can't take you seriously.
Doom isn’t even top 10 mystic, given that fact how could he be top anything else? Feels like you’d really need to be missing a few screws to say your favourite champion is the best regardless of what objective realities present themselves no matter how contradictory. “Wah wah”
Doom has fallen off, totally agree but let’s be fair. This guy views everything from a BG perspective. Even if he doesn’t, you are telling me people use 7* Sasquatch more in story or endgame content compared to Doom? Doom was even used in necropolis for a few fights. I agree he has fallen off due to not being a 7 star, but to say he is irrelevant in every game mode is a bit of a stretch. BGs for sure.
where do u use doom outside of story content bro, he has basically 0 use on both bg's and aw even on aq, n the tier list is mostly based on that thats all, same reason as to why abs man dropped down some spots
I didn't know that full moon thing about werewolf. That actually explains why sometimes he feels like a nuke and sometimes he feels like a wolf
The only difference really is without full moon, u need to use sp1, with full moon u can skip that and just go straight for sp2. It does help tho
@Kravatan wait how to know which week werewolf decides he cba for long rotations
@@dalegendarymonke8921 look up in the sky at night 🌝
@@adriancruz8933 what if it's day?
@@dalegendarymonke8921 lol study the lunar phase, it’s about every 27 days. In the game full moon phase stays on for a couple of days
I love America Chavez the passive stun champs are my favorite
People who are complaining about him not ranking stuff according to story content and stuff like that,give me an answer.Once you finish it,are u actually going to touch it again?
Its doable with any champion too,i literally used Wasp,Superior Iron Man,Kamala Khan and stuff like those to have fun and guess what,i can still get story content done.
Story content only matters until u explore the chapter,after that u dont even touch it for half a year.
Battlegrounds and Alliance War are the gamemodes that are always here and u always have to do it.
That is why it is given more importance.
I am not that skilled but i explored 8.3 on my alt from act 1 in 49 days in my alternate account,story content is that big of a joke,i didnt even spend that much,maybe 30 dollars.
Dunno why peeps get so butthurt with these tier lists. 😂 KT always mentions that these tier list are based solely for relevant end game content. Hence no one cares about whether your “top” champ can clear EQ, AQ and act 8 surprisingly well. Any champ can do that.
Exactlyyyy, people are angry because we don’t wanna put their iron fists on the list😭
Do it with 1* Groot. Dumb
The tier list where only Battlegrounds and 7 stars matter
Go make your own tier list lmfao.
You guys get so mad when no one else rates your iron fists.
@@waynewayne8419I'm not the list guy.
I'm the comment guy. He named the list wrong. I did my job.
If I was mad it would've been way funnier.
He's taking about the top meta of the game. And in the top meta in the game you need 7* and do BG .
Wait until you find out that at the high level those are the most important things along with war
When all the quests are done, when multiple options can do the event quest... What else is there to rate them on?
I understand your point of view but not even honoravle mention of wiccan? He might be trash defender but against buff heavy matchups like wiccan he is really good on attack
I thought he was trash until I pulled him as a 7*. I use him to limit annoying defenders abilities.
Yeah how many buff heavy matchups exists? Of course a champ will be a beast when they have the perfect conditions but otherwise they are mediocre
@@waynewayne8419 he's only asking for an honourable mention bro lmao. And a champ with Wiccan's abilities is never going to be mediocre.
One of the best for these match ups imo
@@IamTheStormThatIsApproaching1 thank you. For once someone defends what makes sense 🥰
I really want to start trying our Chavez finally got her as a six star and want to understand what the hype is all about although I feel it’s a little too late with high ranking 7 stars everywhere so idk I’m torn
I'm sorry ,was wrong ... My bad should have done my research b4 I posted 😂
Hey what do you wear on your thumbs, and where can you get them from? my fingers always get sweaty
@@satoruu3044 thumb sleeve. Amazon
@@KT1MCOC my 🤴
Top 10 Mystic Champs
1. Kushala
2. Juggernaut
3. America Chavez
4. Sasquatch
5. Werewolf by Night
6. Tigra
7. Abs Man
8. Doom
9. The Hood
10. The Destroyer
Good i have duped kushala r3 then and dupes juggs r2 but chawez unduped r1 was planning to r2 today tho. Werewolf is unduped r2 been while like him lot too thinked even r3 can make 3 r3 atm but gonna make one mystic only now more
Kushala at 9 what is that? :D aah old list but still
i think destroyer might be on there in a bit. when more people are gonna start getting him
I leav the game for like 6 months and omg game has been flipped
Will rank 2 Chaves... I makes my mind about her I have her as a 7* rank 1 for so long... And she helped me out this bg meta...
Does Chavez & Kushala need the dupe? Thanks
I understand 7 stars are in the game and as of now you can r3 them which has crazy high health and attack rating but that doesn't mean that you have to give less importance to a champion ability and utility
Battlegrounds is not the only thing in mcoc there are aw,aq,quest,side quest, main content, marathon content, I request you to consider champion abilities first as those extra attack and health are not gonna help it's those champions who are and will be carrying your team,those champs matter
Meh they don’t matter, when losing matters no one uses those champs
I'm sorry but an r3 7* who's very good is going to be much better than a r5 6*. They are just that much bigger, stronger and faster.
If Doom and Abs Man come as 7*.... I bet these mediocre Mystic champs will surely fall to dust. 🤣
Showing Kushala love ❤️
She should be higher than 9 tho she takes so many defenders and also fast. Got duped r3 atm love her :)
@@tonimikael6278 agreed 👍🏼
I don't understand why in other classes, the top 6 stars are in the first 5 places, and Doom is failing that badly? He s in the same caliber as NF or Nimrod, Scorpion, etc
He's still incredibly powerful when fight time is not a factor and he's not facing some of the recent meta defenders designed to counter him. Those factors have been in play for a while (think Hulkling era) and now the 7* factor is exacerbating it. But I have maxed my 6* Doom and will still enjoy him as long as possible.
@@imn8 Exactly. Not even mentioning that he s a beast on BGs.
I’m surprised that Wiccan didn’t make it. I think Wiccan is a better version of Hood and available as a 7*. Wiccan can negate buffs (like hood), heals (like hood), and incinerates opponents (compared to Hoods burst damage). Both do very similar things but Wiccan can go to rank 3 and higher eventually. Agree with your list other than Hood 👍
Chavez the goat
Abs man still top 5 at least
I knew AM would be number 1. She is r3 for me unduped.
Who would have thought that Chavez would be the best in her class. She’s my next mystic r3 for sure.
Man, I guess I've been sleeping on AC. Need to figure her play style out. I never use her. OK, that's about to change.
she is top 5 in game rn,almost as fast as Juggs even in BGs,and got defensive value,a lot of hidden utilities in her kit.
How do you know when full moon is on?
Google moon phase
Look up at the sky at night 🌝 the rounder the better
White Tiger not on list ohhhh myy
Last season, where she was a tactic attacker she was. Not anymore
Also, controversial. But arguably Kindred over Sasquatch. And I love Sasquatch.
Why? Kindred is one of the handful of characters that if awakened can win you a match even if the opponent has the best kindred defender.
He’s the number one mystic defender IMO.
Sassy is hard. And the healthpool alone. And a more generally good offense.
But Kindred easy top 10 for being best mystic defender.
Kindred is one of the slowest attackers in the game, that's why.
@@nickvin7447 yes. But arguably a better defender than Sasquatch. And that alone is top 10 worthy IMO.
@@LarryDiamond-te3yt If that were the case Bullseye would be top 10 worthy, but he isn't. Strict defenders do not deserve to be in the top of the rankings if they have little to no use elsewhere.
@@LarryDiamond-te3ytmy kindred getting slayed within 60s in bgs, ppl actually know how to fight him nowadays 😴
@@Prismane_1269 are they taking more damage than most fights? Is yours awakened? If so what sig?
Ascended 6 star sig 200 are tough for me. Kind of like Serpents.
7* rank 3 destroyer is awesome
@@ABSXT19Yeap kushala great i love my duped r3 :) and take serpent also well as so many other defenders
I’ve 2, rank 3 mystics, America and Kushala. Kushala is not awakened.
Still worth it. Incredibly versatile. And the block unblockable so valuable.
Soul barb. Regen (not sure if iron fist relic needed). Incinerate.
No regrets taking her up. Sasquatch being so tanky, and tricky. Can have a great fight against him, but not always, will probably always have a place.
I do disagree a bit about the fun part. But also agree. Part of fun about a champ is we use them effectively.
But I find, for rank 3, it’s super impt. For the rarest rank ups, I’m definitely considering fun.
That being said, I ranked your number 1 and 2. Thankfully both very fun. And I like the character back story as well.
Like another comment, I do feel Wiccan is…in top 10 area. Only neutralize champ released as 7 star. The star block helps a lot.
But he’s top 10 for me because of neutralize, super useful.
I got kushala duped r3 but america chavez unduped r1 gonna r2 her today just wondering how much her dupe makes her better. Then have duped juggs and unduped chawez and werewolf and one go r3 atleast cause can make 3 more r3 atm
Wiccan ?
I have R2 Juggs, Sasquach and Werewolf, don't know wich one take to R3. Any advise guys?
Juggs
Juggs
I have an R3 Juggs 😀 he is great
As always, depends on what you need, or what you're lacking in.
Juggs
if this list was based off bgs doom wouldnt even be top 10 so lol.
Personally think america don't deserve even a honourable mention and for me doom is best
If you play bgs doom is trash otoh chavez is a absolute nuke very versatile a good defender so she is #1 mystic in this game I think doom doesn't deserve an honourable mention
@@Ankitchahar7 i am on act 6 and doom is extremely good here.
@@MCOC_concepts if you are cav or tb doom is extremely good I am not denying that but when when you complete all the story quests he's trash you won't use him anywhere after act 7 i never used him
Doom to me was always a champion you brought in for a certain use. He's not really fun to play apart from the doom slap, he's slow, doesn't do great damage outside of the doom cycle, and even with the cycle if you compare to others. Haven't used him properly in like a year, also haven't ascended him because there's no point in doing so.
Seems like these lists are only geared towards battlegrounds now.
He literally says it, when losing matters these are the champs used. Don’t be angry no one wants to use your preferred champs
And alliance war, because that’s where you actually need to use the best of the best
Sasquatch above doom… yeah sure 😂
Yep and kushala also :D
Honestly I would still put Abs man much higher in that list.
Out of all the class list this is one I disagree with most. Doom is still great, tigra is way too high. Juggs is great but there are way too many easy ways to shut him down. Also cosmic class should have been ahead of mystic imo.
Lmfao, I can promise you no top player is putting cosmic over mystic.
And tigra too high? Is this because you don’t know how to use her?
Tigra is definitely rated high. As like Ghost.
@@waynewayne8419 every other awesome champ that has been impacted by funky AI was drastically downgraded. Many other champs not available as 6* downgraded.
@@ryanquinn7045 yeah true but tigra still holds immense value, not as much as she used to but she’s a monster still, last season she was the best attacker with Kate and this season she performs well.
Rintrah is female my friend , u gotta be PC at all times in 2024 brosuph lol
Just gonna ignore the commenting and complaining from all the uncollected and thronebreaker players. People still stuck in 2020 mcoc 🤣
Exactly, all complains regarding doom shows that they haven't been playing the game near serious for a while, he lost his value years ago now
@@adhamanwar4114yeah, I don't even use him anymore. Same with blade and kitty. And going further back, Star Lord, Magik, SW, the list of previous meta champs is quite long. Metas change!
Not everyone plays BG....Some may only be AW oriented. Bunch of morons still following and trying out new things... It is like saying new cars are more durable than Vitnage cars. 🤣
They really want a separate champ to do eq sq and story 😭
@@adhamanwar4114 🤡
disagree with chavez over kushala, kushala has so much more utility
While true, Chavez just does more matchups and isn’t as easily shutdown by nodes like Kushala is😊
I disagree.
Kushala has
Unblockable counter
Block damage regen
Ability power rate reduction(45% max)
Dual immunity
these are her main utilities
0 defensive value
slightly slow,although acceptable considering the matchup pool she takes.
now for Chavez
Stun on demand
Reduce opponent power rate by 100% with 2 heavies
Regenerate a lot of health via blue dimension if u make mistake
Practically nullify so many of the cosmic buffs
Energy Resistance
More defensive value
More speed
Counters most of what Kushala does too,Amazing Serpent counter,Amazing Maestro counter
Does not interact with buffs or debuffs
Chavez is a more simple champion,its easier to pick her up(dont think of it the wrong way lol),and she allows more mistakes in.Add that to the dodgy special and smart AI,and she becomes a very good defender too,u cant really push her to sp2,and if she has dimension active u will have to constantly make her use sp1,1 combo and bait style
@@waynewayne8419 what nodes besides high energy diet? Besides chavez also gets kinda shutdown by stun immune. And tbh i think Kushala does a lot more matchups well, like domino and korg for example.
@@crickthefreak3383 I just value the unblockable counter in combination with the block regen higher than any of chavez utility. Besides Kushala also has energy resistance, she increases her own AA making her a great option for domino and her powergain when you have a high switch relic is insane. She's definitely harder to master and kind of a dud on defense I'll give you that. Although the few times i had to throw her on def in BGs somehow people managed to die against her, but dont ask me how.
@@kevin199719971997 like in last season she gets affected by shrug off metas or metas where you can’t put debuffs on or can’t gain buffs.
Wiccan is in my top 10
White tiger not in the top 10 is wild
U should have learnt in school that 10 is a finite number.
She belongs no where near the top 10
@@arjishchowdhury1898😂😂
White tiger I agree is better than atleast half of these,insane damage
Glad to see y'all realizing doom has fallen off
Have always considered him overrated since 2020
Happy to see his downfall 😂
lmao wtf
Honestly how is doom actually still on the list in 2024 he hasn’t been a good mystic in ages never mind a top anything champ
He can still take most content tbf
Wtf are you talking about hasn't been good in ages
He's a little slow in bgs that's it baring that he's still an absolute beast
R u uncollected bro?
@@priyamved9577 holds 0 value for aq, bgs or aw, he’s not just a little slow, he’s slow, doesn’t have useful immunities anymore, power control compromises kill speed even further, overly reliant on sp3 for relevant damage, overly reliant on ai manipulation and look let’s just accept that neutralise is more useful the “nullify” considering most cosmics release with an inherent immunity power control and/or nullify.
No, tell me more about how you still haven’t completed act 6 so you have no appropriately acceptable opinion on the matter.. at this stage if a mystic champion is feeding maestro instead of countering any of his abilities that mystic champion has officially stepped 2-3 ranks down the list in replacement of mystics that weren’t that great but now are great because they will counter important defenders.
@@arjishchowdhury1898 I am valiant and sitting on 2 more r3 7*s till I get the right dupes, do you want to see my roster so you can then confirm for a fact that I have no real use for a doom on my account? Even though I have one ranked up that I can use to actually TEST my opinions..
You know instead of just saying “trust me bro” when I don’t even have a ranked up doom to know the difference nor the ability to accurately argue my case without assuming I’m smarter than everybody else and therefore I need not be explain myself appropriately.
I did explain myself clearly, and I’ve given the opportunity for one of you to challenge me in pms and prove that doom is better than I say he is however even if any of you had the balls, nobody alive has the skill to make it work against me because doom isn’t actually just way too slow! 🤣🤣🤣
1. Abman 2. Doom 3. Jugs 4. Tigra 5. Rintrah 6. Sassy 7. America 8. Kushala 9. Werewolf 10. White tiger
Doctor Doom at #10?
Yeah bro, I'm not watching the rest of this video. That is a borderline demented opinion. You need to stop viewing everything from a Battlegrounds perspective, I can't take you seriously.
Doom is no longer present in any relevant game mode, truth hurts doesn't it?
I also do love doom and have r6 but clearly i am not using him as much i used to be.@@PeterGrayson
Doom isn’t even top 10 mystic, given that fact how could he be top anything else? Feels like you’d really need to be missing a few screws to say your favourite champion is the best regardless of what objective realities present themselves no matter how contradictory.
“Wah wah”
Doom has fallen off, totally agree but let’s be fair. This guy views everything from a BG perspective. Even if he doesn’t, you are telling me people use 7* Sasquatch more in story or endgame content compared to Doom? Doom was even used in necropolis for a few fights. I agree he has fallen off due to not being a 7 star, but to say he is irrelevant in every game mode is a bit of a stretch. BGs for sure.
where do u use doom outside of story content bro, he has basically 0 use on both bg's and aw even on aq, n the tier list is mostly based on that thats all, same reason as to why abs man dropped down some spots